Time to stop trashing Biden over the Hyde Amendment

[Vidal]

nt

[watoos]

1. You are correct

now that he has done a 180 on it.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

31. I agree! I hoped Joe WOULD flip-flop & withdraw his support for the Hyde Amendment...I'm glad he did

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[mtnsnake]

2. Why? Because you're "glad Biden is standing up for what he believes" ??

LOL!!!

[Vidal]

6. Keep rubbing it in

mtnsnake, if it makes you feel better!

[mtnsnake]

11. Jekyll and Hyde :)

[democratisphere]

30. Biden won't allow this issue to mess up his winning 2020 campaign.

The other prospective candidates should rethink what they say and do. Attacks could sink our ship.

[ucrdem]

3. It is but let the dogs bark.

Joe did the right thing the right way at the right time. The rest is sour grapes and other bad things I won't mention.

[Cha]

9. Thank Goodness Biden listened!

I tweeted this to Cedric Richmond this morning

I'm for Biden now.. but please tell him that he shouldn't be basing political decisions on "religion". Separation of Church and State. Thank you

.
When I came back after going out for a run I saw this tweet..

Link to tweet

You can imagine how much I appreciated it!

[ucrdem]

12. You did a good deed Cha!

A very good deed indeed!!

[Cha]

14. I was part of the

blowback.. barely!

Mahalo, ucr! U2

[LakeArenal]

29. "Dogs" fighting over the scraps they dig up.

While the big dog still runs way ahead of the pack.

[samnsara]

4. i agree... i was actually planning on donating to all the candidates...except those..

..who trash other candidates. I WILL vote for the Dem nom however. Would be nice to hear others reaffirm that as well...instead of trash talk. Maybe after someone trashes another dem candidate we (they) could follow up with the affirmation that we/the/I WILL vote for the Dem nom who/m-ever he/she is. Would make the discussion a little more palatable if we all knew that in the end we still have ONE common goal.

[Vidal]

7. Great point

i totally agree with you.

[Boomer]

5. Criticizing is not "trashing"

Every candidate running for president is going to be subject to criticism, some of it quite sharp. This is the POINT of the primary -- to outline differences and understand positions.

I'm not sure which bothers me more: Biden's original stance or his immediate 180-degree. There is a reason Biden was known for political gaffes before the Golden 8 Years in the White House. His flip-flopping on the Hyde Amendment reminds me exactly why I don't think he can last the distance until the 2020 election. He has always been prone to impulsive actions and flashes of poor judgment.

Over the course of the next year, I expect other Dem candidates to cross the line to poll higher than Trump. Biden is not going to be our only alternative to Trump.

[BlueMTexpat]

13. Prove to us all

that she has NO NA heritage. Otherwise you are not worth taking seriously.when you make statements like that.

[RandiFan1290]

16. Disgusting

So sad to see people using right wing talking points to attack a Democratic Senator.

[BlueMTexpat]

19. Exactly. eom

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

32. See why you're name is Boomer... BOOOOOOOOMMM!! Nailed it again!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[erlewyne]

10. What about Anita?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

33. Not a good thing... but, prolly not a "deal breaker" either.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[BannonsLiver]

46. How many times should he apologize to her?

He’s done so already. She didn’t accept it. Time for everyone to move on, it would seem.

[erlewyne]

47. He hasn't yet.

Biden tries to stay out of site and out of mind. A classical yes man.
Kissy kissy kissy.

His apology was unsatisfactory. Reminds me of the typical republican ...
I'll kiss your ass if you kiss mine. Anita will not kiss his ass.

[BannonsLiver]

48. Yes, he has.

What you want is more melodrama over the issue. Bad news. You’re not going to get it.

[erlewyne]

59. Trump said he was exonerated

and Biden said he apologized. Go figure.

[BannonsLiver]

60. One of them is correct.

[erlewyne]

61. Nice Biden-type answer

I call kissy.

[BannonsLiver]

62. Call it whatever you want.

I’m not losing any sleep over your hatred of Biden. It’s really not that relevant, interesting or original.

[Butterflylady]

51. You know

If she was so upset about his attitude, why the hell didn't she confront him as soon as it happened. I don't know about anyone else, but if that happened to me he would have known it from the start. Not wait till later on then say how it wasn't right how I was treated. I don't buy her indignation.

[emmaverybo]

55. Because it was never a Biden vs. Hill matter at the time. All of this, including her anger, is a

bad deconstruct job.
Biden got the hearing for her. He voted against Thomas. He, among the Dems on
committee, at least got a few jabs in. Grassley. Spector, Simpson, and Heflin were the adversarial ones and it was Heflin who called her a delusional fantasist.
Biden has always championed her credibility and her courage.
The Republicans had played racial politics with Dems in nominating second or third rate Thomas, an extremist conservative, to replace Thurgood Marshall, a civil rights legend. Thomas fell right in with their clever plot to put Dems in a bind. He cowed the committee Dems when he called the proceedings a “high tech lynching.”
So Edward Kennedy was noticeably subdued.Biden did get some jabs in.
But he could not be Hill’s personal defense attorney at a hearing he was hard-pressed to get for her to confront Thomas on a ten years’ past complaint of verbal sexual harassment.
Biden has properly apologized for the process. The process for handling non-criminal sex abuse
charges is a horrendous one as we have seen only recently. Biden did not create it.
The fact that Hill recently accused a Biden of holding up the #MeToo movement by 20 years tells me her misplaced bitterness has affected her judgment or she has a political agenda. Ironically, she has had nothing to say about Thomas’s misappropriation of racial history to his own purpose or
the cynical use Republicans made of Thomas, who would be only the second Black American to go on to the Supreme Court.
She, as a Black woman, was neatly sacrificed. And in that time, many did think Thomas had a point. Very divisive proceeding.
Biden has taken on more responsibility than he should for a Republican inspired fiasco and the fall-out from her having been wounded in it.

[erlewyne]

63. She was a typical victim

of our sleaze. She will live in infamy and Thomas
will be go down in history as a bigot.

[JI7]

15. you pretty much are inviting people to trash him with these threads you keep making

[RandiFan1290]

18. I think they are finished now

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

34. That valid concern never stopped anyone from posting threads that invited people to trash Bernie!!

Bernie deserves dignity and respect... not trashing.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Indygram]

17. Time to stop ignoring other candidates over the false assumption that Biden is the "safe" bet

The fact that Biden still even supported the Hyde Amendment at this time shows a complete and total lack of judgement and a proclivity towards being out of touch and tone deaf. If he were actually listening to people and had his finger on the pulse of where people stand he NEVER would have doubled down on supporting it. This will not be the last time he does this and frankly, I just don't trust his judgement after this. If he were the right candidate no one would have had to tell him he was on the WRONG side of things.

Yes, it's good that he changed his mind but he did NOT change it for the right reason. He changed it because he HAD to for political expediency, NOT because it was what he truly believed. That's just not good enough for me.

[shanny]

21. Well said.

[Celerity]

22. +1

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

35. Right on the money Indy... as usual!! But, you still have to give Joe credit...

even if it's for making a smart political decision. I'm actually glad he's finally on board with the rest of the Democratic field of candidates. Surprised it took him that long, after recently reaffirming his support for the Hyde Amendment. But, it WAS the right thing to do!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Indygram]

38. Yes, I'm glad he reversed course. I'm just unimpressed and disappointed that he didn't know better

to begin with.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

39. I hear ya... feel the exact same way.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Dennis Donovan]

20. *cough*

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=345300

[demmiblue]

27. He was pretty obvious. n/t

[Dennis Donovan]

28. Yup!

[quickesst]

23. you are correct

For some of Biden's opponents supporters, this is a very disappointing turn of events. Joe Biden has effectively neutralized one of his opponents supporters main talking points, just as he has knocked down most all of the criticism thrown at him. No one should be surprised that for some people, this would always be a no-win situation for Joe Biden. Fortunately for the country, they are in the minority which is so small as to have to have zero affect on his campaign. If any of his opponents publicly publicly echo this minority's sentiments, it will only hurt their campaign, and provide an extra boost to Biden's own campaign. Not that he really needs it.

[LibFarmer]

24. Time to stop trashing Biden PERIOD.

He is a known quantity - he has been a progressive senator and a vice president to one of the most progressive presidents.

Nit-picking will not help other candidates.

[brooklynite]

25. Am I to understand that any criticism is unacceptable?

FWIW, my concern was not with his position (former or current), but with the sloppy way his campaign team handled the matter. Reportedly his staff had no idea what he would say as late as yesterday afternoon.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

40. Apparently... Joe's political advisors need to be replaced with new ones as soon as possible

for letting this happen.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[LibFarmer]

42. No harm in clarifying a position

It was a tiny difference between "I won't touch the Hyde amendment because it will not be repealed" to "it should be repealed and I'd support such a repeal."

Opponents of Biden are making a very big deal out of a small issue. They forget that Biden has voted against the Hyde amendment and voted to allow it under the same circumstances as many other candidates have.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

36. Agreed, Biden's a known quantity...progressive tho? Somewhat, but certainly not THE most progressive

as he tried to claim.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[LibFarmer]

43. That is the most progressive that is electable

Anything way out in the left field will lose 45 states in the GE

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

45. I don't agree, but, can see why one might think that.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[shanny]

26. Self-inflicted wound

on his part...and others.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

37. The responsibility clearly lies with the candidate... I expect Biden has learned from this mistake

and will do better to avoid them in the future.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[LibFarmer]

44. It is a minor scratch - it will be gone in 2 days

The wound will be in opponents' poll numbers tanking for this perfunctory stunt.

[shanny]

49. I can't resist.

https://m.

Eta: yes, his opponents were clearly in the wrong.

[Voltaire2]

54. Biden is notorious for sinking his own campaigns.

[Honeycombe8]

41. Is that an order?

What one considers valid criticism, another considers "trashing."

I think it's valid to voice criticism over what is an unusual move by Biden. Changing in a few days the 40-year-stance about something, when he's in a Presidential race and finds out his stance would cost him votes among the base.

It's not that it's Biden. It's that a candidate actually did that. I've been around for a while and never seen such an obvious move before. Such a thing is going to be noticed and commented on and criticized or praised.

As for me, I take what politicians say with a grain of salt, when they're in the throes of a tough election process and trying to get support, votes, and donations. They're politicians. Their job is first and foremost to get votes. Without that, they're not in the game. Just look at the general thrust of their beliefs and stances overall, is what I do. Even if they state a firm stance on something, I know there may come a time when he finds an exception to it.

Example: While campaigning, Obama voiced a stance on attacking high drug prices. He attacked directly the provision in Medicare Part D that prohibits the federal govt from even negotiating drug prices. After Part D was passed, one of the sponsors of that provision/Part D quit Congress and went to work as a lobbyist for Big Pharma at a cushy salary. After getting elected, Obama ended up cutting a deal with that Senator, according to Huffington Post, that Pharma would cut $80B in costs on its own, and contribute $150M in tv ads that supported the ACA, in return for protecting the industry from Congressional efforts to cut drug prices. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/flashback-obama-promises_n_254833?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANRStP_v9Fz9uDBrXKgM8XKMwwMYYDpvE1W3kNo7LtO9G0J4ic4T_jU5YcUYmHD5J-lkwgW40r6oSQoTYmwY4Qjza16MN4Jtfj8a9FP_ZWt5GKrWxAFIBUl6NxjtNACUqWG7l65EcHW2SUymgWGP6i1ygRgI7J-uu0DLHfZyY2Ol

I don't give that example as a criticism of Obama. I loved Obama and think he was one of the best Presidents America has ever had. But I use it to show that you can't hinge your approval of a candidate on a voiced position on one particular issue. Just a general direction. He wanted, generally, prices to go down, and he got some sort of promise from the industry to do that. He did not go after that provision that he railed against during his campaign. That's politics.

[cwydro]

57. I think that poster has left the building lol.

[Honeycombe8]

58. LOL! nt

[loyalsister]

50. There's a difference between personal assessments and bashing

There is very little objective information at this point. IMO, there are records of historical and behaviors that are fair to criticize with a context of actual consequences or other measurable relevant dimensions, but speculation about motives and other subjective assessments are controversy inducing and especially unhelpful when presented as fact.

We're all going to decide for ourselves. Surely, we're mature enough to interpret each others opinions and criticisms as valid, and be able to discuss them without presuming that our beliefs are absolute truths.

[dchill]

52. Why?

[Gothmog]

53. agreed

[Hekate]

56. Yep