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Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:24 AM

 

Time to stop trashing Biden over the Hyde Amendment

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Reply Time to stop trashing Biden over the Hyde Amendment (Original post)
Vidal Jun 2019 OP
watoos Jun 2019 #1
InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #31
mtnsnake Jun 2019 #2
Vidal Jun 2019 #6
mtnsnake Jun 2019 #11
democratisphere Jun 2019 #30
ucrdem Jun 2019 #3
Cha Jun 2019 #9
ucrdem Jun 2019 #12
Cha Jun 2019 #14
LakeArenal Jun 2019 #29
samnsara Jun 2019 #4
Vidal Jun 2019 #7
Boomer Jun 2019 #5
Post removed Jun 2019 #8
BlueMTexpat Jun 2019 #13
RandiFan1290 Jun 2019 #16
BlueMTexpat Jun 2019 #19
InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #32
erlewyne Jun 2019 #10
InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #33
BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #46
erlewyne Jun 2019 #47
BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #48
erlewyne Jun 2019 #59
BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #60
erlewyne Jun 2019 #61
BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #62
Butterflylady Jun 2019 #51
emmaverybo Jun 2019 #55
erlewyne Jun 2019 #63
JI7 Jun 2019 #15
RandiFan1290 Jun 2019 #18
InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #34
Indygram Jun 2019 #17
shanny Jun 2019 #21
Celerity Jun 2019 #22
InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #35
Indygram Jun 2019 #38
InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #39
Dennis Donovan Jun 2019 #20
demmiblue Jun 2019 #27
Dennis Donovan Jun 2019 #28
quickesst Jun 2019 #23
LibFarmer Jun 2019 #24
brooklynite Jun 2019 #25
InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #40
LibFarmer Jun 2019 #42
InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #36
LibFarmer Jun 2019 #43
InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #45
shanny Jun 2019 #26
InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #37
LibFarmer Jun 2019 #44
shanny Jun 2019 #49
Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #54
Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #41
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Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #58
loyalsister Jun 2019 #50
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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:29 AM

1. You are correct

 

now that he has done a 180 on it.
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Response to watoos (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:17 AM

31. I agree! I hoped Joe WOULD flip-flop & withdraw his support for the Hyde Amendment...I'm glad he did

 


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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:31 AM

2. Why? Because you're "glad Biden is standing up for what he believes" ??

 

LOL!!!
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Response to mtnsnake (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:48 AM

6. Keep rubbing it in

 

mtnsnake, if it makes you feel better!
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Response to Vidal (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:53 AM

11. Jekyll and Hyde :)

 

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Response to mtnsnake (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:43 AM

30. Biden won't allow this issue to mess up his winning 2020 campaign.

 

The other prospective candidates should rethink what they say and do. Attacks could sink our ship.
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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:32 AM

3. It is but let the dogs bark.

 

Joe did the right thing the right way at the right time. The rest is sour grapes and other bad things I won't mention.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:50 AM

9. Thank Goodness Biden listened!

 

I tweeted this to Cedric Richmond this morning

I'm for Biden now.. but please tell him that he shouldn't be basing political decisions on "religion". Separation of Church and State. Thank you
.
When I came back after going out for a run I saw this tweet..



You can imagine how much I appreciated it!


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Response to Cha (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:54 AM

12. You did a good deed Cha!

 

A very good deed indeed!!



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Response to ucrdem (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:02 AM

14. I was part of the

 

blowback.. barely!

Mahalo, ucr!U2





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Response to ucrdem (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:41 AM

29. "Dogs" fighting over the scraps they dig up.

 

While the big dog still runs way ahead of the pack.
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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:38 AM

4. i agree... i was actually planning on donating to all the candidates...except those..

 

..who trash other candidates. I WILL vote for the Dem nom however. Would be nice to hear others reaffirm that as well...instead of trash talk. Maybe after someone trashes another dem candidate we (they) could follow up with the affirmation that we/the/I WILL vote for the Dem nom who/m-ever he/she is. Would make the discussion a little more palatable if we all knew that in the end we still have ONE common goal.
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Response to samnsara (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:48 AM

7. Great point

 

i totally agree with you.
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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:45 AM

5. Criticizing is not "trashing"

 

Every candidate running for president is going to be subject to criticism, some of it quite sharp. This is the POINT of the primary -- to outline differences and understand positions.

I'm not sure which bothers me more: Biden's original stance or his immediate 180-degree. There is a reason Biden was known for political gaffes before the Golden 8 Years in the White House. His flip-flopping on the Hyde Amendment reminds me exactly why I don't think he can last the distance until the 2020 election. He has always been prone to impulsive actions and flashes of poor judgment.

Over the course of the next year, I expect other Dem candidates to cross the line to poll higher than Trump. Biden is not going to be our only alternative to Trump.
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Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:01 AM

13. Prove to us all

 

that she has NO NA heritage. Otherwise you are not worth taking seriously.when you make statements like that.
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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:18 AM

16. Disgusting

 

So sad to see people using right wing talking points to attack a Democratic Senator.
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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #16)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:21 AM

19. Exactly. eom

 

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Response to Boomer (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:21 AM

32. See why you're name is Boomer... BOOOOOOOOMMM!! Nailed it again!!

 


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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:53 AM

10. What about Anita?

 

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Response to erlewyne (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:22 AM

33. Not a good thing... but, prolly not a "deal breaker" either.

 


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Response to erlewyne (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:20 AM

46. How many times should he apologize to her?

 

Heís done so already. She didnít accept it. Time for everyone to move on, it would seem.
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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #46)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:31 AM

47. He hasn't yet.

 

Biden tries to stay out of site and out of mind. A classical yes man.
Kissy kissy kissy.

His apology was unsatisfactory. Reminds me of the typical republican ...
I'll kiss your ass if you kiss mine. Anita will not kiss his ass.
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Response to erlewyne (Reply #47)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:32 AM

48. Yes, he has.

 

What you want is more melodrama over the issue. Bad news. Youíre not going to get it.
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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #48)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:08 PM

59. Trump said he was exonerated

 

and Biden said he apologized. Go figure.
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Response to erlewyne (Reply #59)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:11 PM

60. One of them is correct.

 

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #60)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:24 PM

61. Nice Biden-type answer

 

I call kissy.
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Response to erlewyne (Reply #61)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:26 PM

62. Call it whatever you want.

 

Iím not losing any sleep over your hatred of Biden. Itís really not that relevant, interesting or original.

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Response to erlewyne (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 04:02 PM

51. You know

 

If she was so upset about his attitude, why the hell didn't she confront him as soon as it happened. I don't know about anyone else, but if that happened to me he would have known it from the start. Not wait till later on then say how it wasn't right how I was treated. I don't buy her indignation.
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Response to Butterflylady (Reply #51)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 04:37 PM

55. Because it was never a Biden vs. Hill matter at the time. All of this, including her anger, is a

 

bad deconstruct job.
Biden got the hearing for her. He voted against Thomas. He, among the Dems on
committee, at least got a few jabs in. Grassley. Spector, Simpson, and Heflin were the adversarial ones and it was Heflin who called her a delusional fantasist.
Biden has always championed her credibility and her courage.
The Republicans had played racial politics with Dems in nominating second or third rate Thomas, an extremist conservative, to replace Thurgood Marshall, a civil rights legend. Thomas fell right in with their clever plot to put Dems in a bind. He cowed the committee Dems when he called the proceedings a ďhigh tech lynching.Ē
So Edward Kennedy was noticeably subdued.Biden did get some jabs in.
But he could not be Hillís personal defense attorney at a hearing he was hard-pressed to get for her to confront Thomas on a ten yearsí past complaint of verbal sexual harassment.
Biden has properly apologized for the process. The process for handling non-criminal sex abuse
charges is a horrendous one as we have seen only recently. Biden did not create it.
The fact that Hill recently accused a Biden of holding up the #MeToo movement by 20 years tells me her misplaced bitterness has affected her judgment or she has a political agenda. Ironically, she has had nothing to say about Thomasís misappropriation of racial history to his own purpose or
the cynical use Republicans made of Thomas, who would be only the second Black American to go on to the Supreme Court.
She, as a Black woman, was neatly sacrificed. And in that time, many did think Thomas had a point. Very divisive proceeding.
Biden has taken on more responsibility than he should for a Republican inspired fiasco and the fall-out from her having been wounded in it.




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Response to Butterflylady (Reply #51)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:35 PM

63. She was a typical victim

 

of our sleaze. She will live in infamy and Thomas
will be go down in history as a bigot.
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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:10 AM

15. you pretty much are inviting people to trash him with these threads you keep making

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #15)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:20 AM

18. I think they are finished now

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #15)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:32 AM

34. That valid concern never stopped anyone from posting threads that invited people to trash Bernie!!

 

Bernie deserves dignity and respect... not trashing.


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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:20 AM

17. Time to stop ignoring other candidates over the false assumption that Biden is the "safe" bet

 

The fact that Biden still even supported the Hyde Amendment at this time shows a complete and total lack of judgement and a proclivity towards being out of touch and tone deaf. If he were actually listening to people and had his finger on the pulse of where people stand he NEVER would have doubled down on supporting it. This will not be the last time he does this and frankly, I just don't trust his judgement after this. If he were the right candidate no one would have had to tell him he was on the WRONG side of things.

Yes, it's good that he changed his mind but he did NOT change it for the right reason. He changed it because he HAD to for political expediency, NOT because it was what he truly believed. That's just not good enough for me.
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Response to Indygram (Reply #17)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:37 AM

21. Well said.

 

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Response to Indygram (Reply #17)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:38 AM

22. +1

 

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Response to Indygram (Reply #17)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:33 AM

35. Right on the money Indy... as usual!! But, you still have to give Joe credit...

 

even if it's for making a smart political decision. I'm actually glad he's finally on board with the rest of the Democratic field of candidates. Surprised it took him that long, after recently reaffirming his support for the Hyde Amendment. But, it WAS the right thing to do!!


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #35)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:42 AM

38. Yes, I'm glad he reversed course. I'm just unimpressed and disappointed that he didn't know better

 

to begin with.
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Response to Indygram (Reply #38)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:47 AM

39. I hear ya... feel the exact same way.

 


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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:31 AM

20. *cough*

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=345300

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Reply #20)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:31 AM

27. He was pretty obvious. n/t

 

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #27)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:31 AM

28. Yup!

 

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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:03 AM

23. you are correct

 

For some of Biden's opponents supporters, this is a very disappointing turn of events. Joe Biden has effectively neutralized one of his opponents supporters main talking points, just as he has knocked down most all of the criticism thrown at him. No one should be surprised that for some people, this would always be a no-win situation for Joe Biden. Fortunately for the country, they are in the minority which is so small as to have to have zero affect on his campaign. If any of his opponents publicly publicly echo this minority's sentiments, it will only hurt their campaign, and provide an extra boost to Biden's own campaign. Not that he really needs it.
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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:18 AM

24. Time to stop trashing Biden PERIOD.

 

He is a known quantity - he has been a progressive senator and a vice president to one of the most progressive presidents.

Nit-picking will not help other candidates.
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Response to LibFarmer (Reply #24)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:24 AM

25. Am I to understand that any criticism is unacceptable?

 

FWIW, my concern was not with his position (former or current), but with the sloppy way his campaign team handled the matter. Reportedly his staff had no idea what he would say as late as yesterday afternoon.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:51 AM

40. Apparently... Joe's political advisors need to be replaced with new ones as soon as possible

 

for letting this happen.


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Response to brooklynite (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:56 AM

42. No harm in clarifying a position

 

It was a tiny difference between "I won't touch the Hyde amendment because it will not be repealed" to "it should be repealed and I'd support such a repeal."

Opponents of Biden are making a very big deal out of a small issue. They forget that Biden has voted against the Hyde amendment and voted to allow it under the same circumstances as many other candidates have.
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Response to LibFarmer (Reply #24)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:39 AM

36. Agreed, Biden's a known quantity...progressive tho? Somewhat, but certainly not THE most progressive

 

as he tried to claim.


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #36)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:57 AM

43. That is the most progressive that is electable

 

Anything way out in the left field will lose 45 states in the GE
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Response to LibFarmer (Reply #43)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:59 AM

45. I don't agree, but, can see why one might think that.

 


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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:29 AM

26. Self-inflicted wound

 

on his part...and others.
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Response to shanny (Reply #26)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:42 AM

37. The responsibility clearly lies with the candidate... I expect Biden has learned from this mistake

 

and will do better to avoid them in the future.


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Response to shanny (Reply #26)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:58 AM

44. It is a minor scratch - it will be gone in 2 days

 

The wound will be in opponents' poll numbers tanking for this perfunctory stunt.
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Response to LibFarmer (Reply #44)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:40 AM

49. I can't resist.

 

https://m.



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Response to shanny (Reply #26)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 04:32 PM

54. Biden is notorious for sinking his own campaigns.

 

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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:53 AM

41. Is that an order?

 

What one considers valid criticism, another considers "trashing."

I think it's valid to voice criticism over what is an unusual move by Biden. Changing in a few days the 40-year-stance about something, when he's in a Presidential race and finds out his stance would cost him votes among the base.

It's not that it's Biden. It's that a candidate actually did that. I've been around for a while and never seen such an obvious move before. Such a thing is going to be noticed and commented on and criticized or praised.

As for me, I take what politicians say with a grain of salt, when they're in the throes of a tough election process and trying to get support, votes, and donations. They're politicians. Their job is first and foremost to get votes. Without that, they're not in the game. Just look at the general thrust of their beliefs and stances overall, is what I do. Even if they state a firm stance on something, I know there may come a time when he finds an exception to it.

Example: While campaigning, Obama voiced a stance on attacking high drug prices. He attacked directly the provision in Medicare Part D that prohibits the federal govt from even negotiating drug prices. After Part D was passed, one of the sponsors of that provision/Part D quit Congress and went to work as a lobbyist for Big Pharma at a cushy salary. After getting elected, Obama ended up cutting a deal with that Senator, according to Huffington Post, that Pharma would cut $80B in costs on its own, and contribute $150M in tv ads that supported the ACA, in return for protecting the industry from Congressional efforts to cut drug prices. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/flashback-obama-promises_n_254833?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANRStP_v9Fz9uDBrXKgM8XKMwwMYYDpvE1W3kNo7LtO9G0J4ic4T_jU5YcUYmHD5J-lkwgW40r6oSQoTYmwY4Qjza16MN4Jtfj8a9FP_ZWt5GKrWxAFIBUl6NxjtNACUqWG7l65EcHW2SUymgWGP6i1ygRgI7J-uu0DLHfZyY2Ol

I don't give that example as a criticism of Obama. I loved Obama and think he was one of the best Presidents America has ever had. But I use it to show that you can't hinge your approval of a candidate on a voiced position on one particular issue. Just a general direction. He wanted, generally, prices to go down, and he got some sort of promise from the industry to do that. He did not go after that provision that he railed against during his campaign. That's politics.
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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #41)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 06:25 PM

57. I think that poster has left the building lol.

 

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Response to cwydro (Reply #57)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:41 PM

58. LOL! nt

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 03:49 PM

50. There's a difference between personal assessments and bashing

 


There is very little objective information at this point. IMO, there are records of historical and behaviors that are fair to criticize with a context of actual consequences or other measurable relevant dimensions, but speculation about motives and other subjective assessments are controversy inducing and especially unhelpful when presented as fact.

We're all going to decide for ourselves. Surely, we're mature enough to interpret each others opinions and criticisms as valid, and be able to discuss them without presuming that our beliefs are absolute truths.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 04:05 PM

52. Why?

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 04:14 PM

53. agreed

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 06:08 PM

56. Yep

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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