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Related: About this forumEx-Staffers Say Bernie Has a Blind Spot on Women's Issues
I want to believe that old dogs can learn new tricks, but I dont see it with this dog.
Emily Shugerman
Published 06.07.19 4:37AM ET
Even for an older white man speaking at an event for women of color, the reception Bernie Sanders received at the recent She the People summit was chilly. Unlike the other 2020 candidates at the forumincluding another white manseveral of Sanders responses were met with groans. At one point, he answered a question about the recent increase in hate crimes by turning it back to a conversation on universal health care, drawing boos.
The reaction to Sanders did not surprise womens rights advocates. The senator has one of the strongest and longest records on reproductive rights and pay inequality of the 2020 contenders, but hes often criticized for not taking leadership on or prioritizing these issuesand, more recently, for failing to learn from his past missteps.
You can put lipstick on the pig, but in the end the senator is someone who is actually very proud of not changing his ideas, Sarah Slamen, a Texas organizer and Sanders 2016 state campaign coordinator in Louisiana, told The Daily Beast.
I want to believe that old dogs can learn new tricks, but I dont see it with this dog, she added.
Sanders is a longtime supporter of the Equal Rights Amendment and set the standard for demanding 12 weeks of family leave during his 2016 presidential campaign. He co-sponsored the Paycheck Fairness Act and included pay equity for women workers on his economic agenda. He spoke about the need for equal pay as recently as last month, at a campaign stop in Alabama.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-has-a-blind-spot-on-womens-issues-ex-staffers-say?ref=home
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stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)Wow.
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Cha
(297,655 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Irishxs
(622 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)center around pay and income inequality. He doesn't see that the hurdles they face truly ARE different.
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McKim
(2,412 posts)So today we have more bashing of Sanders. Just a note to say it is tiresome.
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George II
(67,782 posts)....tens of thousands of dollars to fly two dozen women to Washington to address these issues.
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Gothmog
(145,558 posts)Sarah was excluded from the meeting by sanders staffers on this issue evidently on purpose
I know Sarah. BTW Sarah just had a baby on May 5
Sarah helped to flip a tough Texas State house seat blue in the midterms
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BannonsLiver
(16,448 posts)I actually do think these stories will become less frequent as Bernie continues to slip in the polls. The media wont devote as much attention at that point.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dgauss
(883 posts)Just from the excerpt in the OP:
"Old dogs"
"Even for an older white man..."
You can put lipstick on the pig..."
I guess points made with those phrases are what some here consider facts.
There is this, but I doubt if it can compete with arguments using terms like old, dog and pig:
"Sanders is a longtime supporter of the Equal Rights Amendment and set the standard for demanding 12 weeks of family leave during his 2016 presidential campaign. He co-sponsored the Paycheck Fairness Act and included pay equity for women workers on his economic agenda. He spoke about the need for equal pay as recently as last month, at a campaign stop in Alabama."
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irisblue
(33,023 posts)In Primary Forums.
For me & ONLY FOR ME-bashing would be (an very extreme example)
Candidate A beats their family members.
From wiki-Literally, bashing is a term meaning to hit or assault, but when it is used as a suffix, or in conjunction with a noun indicating the subject being attacked
Current criticism- I disagree with the current DNC decision to not have a debate in which climate change is the topic.
Vetting Candidates-bringing their past writings, speeches and political points & practices to be discussed today.
Every DUer is going to see thru their own POV.
So, McKim, would you please explain why you're describing this as 'Bernie Bashing?', cuz I'm not seeing your POV
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Hassin Bin Sober
(26,339 posts)Hes such a monster!
Sanders is a longtime supporter of the Equal Rights Amendment and set the standard for demanding 12 weeks of family leave during his 2016 presidential campaign. He co-sponsored the Paycheck Fairness Act and included pay equity for women workers on his economic agenda. He spoke about the need for equal pay as recently as last month, at a campaign stop in Alabama.
He also was one of the first to vote against the Hyde Amendment, which blocks Medicaid funding for abortion.
Jeez. You would think he sponsored anti abortion bills and said Roe went too far and a woman shouldnt have complete control of her body.
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Gothmog
(145,558 posts)Sarah is a fierce person who ran a campaign that flipped a state house seat in the Texas legislature
Link to tweet
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Hassin Bin Sober
(26,339 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
comradebillyboy
(10,175 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,319 posts)I dont think [Sanders] has to be the vehicle or the platform for the movement that emerged from his campaign."
Drop her a note and ask her what she thinks of Biden if you're curious.
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Hassin Bin Sober
(26,339 posts)If thats true he should know.
It helps to read the whole sub thread
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lapucelle
(18,319 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,558 posts)Sarah also had a baby on May 5. I will send her a Facebook message but I am not going to call a new mom with a baby. I may to give to Sarahs candidate
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Cha
(297,655 posts)you might want to drop her a note?
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Gothmog
(145,558 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Sanders. Stuff like how responsive Bernie is to all needs of American women of all colors will play into whether Bernie or Liz gets to go nose to nose with Joe.
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LibFarmer
(772 posts)Thanks for posting.
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frazzled
(18,402 posts)or position statements. It's about something more, and they need to "get" it.
The "more" that struck me viscerally and that I still can't unsee, was the moment when Sanders was speaking after his primary victory in Wisconsin, and his wife was standing next to him on the stage, smiling broadly and lapping up the acclaim with him. He reached out his arm and brushed her back, apparently saying "Don't stand there," or "Don't stand next to me." She receded to behind. It was a punch in the gut, and I thought, if my husband ever did that to me he would be toast (he wouldn't, of course). Whatever one can say to defend this small but symbolic action (I personally don't think there's really anything one could say, but whatevs), it was a window into personal character regarding women. He could have all the votes on record he wants: that one moment spoke volumes, to me at least.
Another example occurred for me way back when Bob Reich was running for governor in Massachusetts, where we lived at the time. We'd been supportive. So one Saturday morning the phone rang, and a male voice asked to speak to my husband, who had just left and was going to be out of the country for ten days or so. I didn't want to tell a stranger that he wasn't there and would be unavailable for some time, so I asked to take a message. The voice identified itself as calling on behalf of the fundraising comittee for the campaign, and so I said, "Oh, you can speak to me then, because I am a supporter." And he said no, he would call back to speak to my husband. Even after my polite protest, he refused to talk to me. It was like the freaking Sears siding salesman asking to speak to the man of the house and refusing to talk to the little lady! It really bothered me, so after a few days I decided to write to Reich himself to explain that his campaign staff needed to temper such interactions. I received an email back from him saying that he was forwarding my email to his wife to respond. His wife!that made me even madder! So I get the email from the wife, who says that "Bob has been a great supporter of women's issues, like abortion and equal pay." Now I was really pissed: she'd missed the issue entirely, the issue being a woman's right to be involved with all aspects of a campaign (economics, foreign policy ... and yes, fund raising!). I voted for the guy, but I never forgot this gap between "getting" women's issues and simply supporting a range of obvious Democratic legislation. He failed on the former, big time.
Men, you have to walk the walk, not just talk the talk.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)My mother was a Doctor. As late as the 70s she went to medical conferences, was introduced as a medico then asked Is you husband here?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)politicians, major groundbreaking warriors for equality, who separately and in different years, when asked whether being black or female was the greater handicap, all replied female. The only name I remember for sure is Shirley Chisholm, but the others are known to all.
My attitudes would have (have been) exactly the same as Frazzle's. Not quite the same, but when we moved to the south 20 years ago, I set up all our household accounts in my name simply because I was doing it, had my ID at hand, etc., and all but one was changed without permission to my husband's name. I was so irritated I actually went to the trouble of making them all change them back.
I've always felt Sanders' principles on equality were in the right place -- all men created equal -- but that his heart just wasn't in dealing with distractions from his theme that all problems ultimately arise from class conflict.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I felt bad for her, and I wont say what I thought about him.
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SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Otherwise we would have a real problem with women come time for the general. Some of his writings would make for commercials that would be brutal to our side. One commercial running his rape fantasy will do him in. It will also harm democrats all across the country.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,558 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)although it is quite long.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,558 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,175 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,655 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)in the 20-teens as he did in the 1970s. His range of political issues that really interest him s very narrow and further limited by how they fit into his socialist/class warfare worldview.
Now, my husband's a bit older than Sanders, but he's always been friends with women and I can't remember the last time he needed a wifely poke to keep him from embarrassing himself in discussion. He is seemingly permanently wired to appreciate 1940s gender humor, but he is far too well trained to reveal it to anyone but me and only deliberately then when he wants to irritate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,558 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MaryMagdaline
(6,856 posts)Administration for being an all boys network or words to that effect. I like to think we have forgotten because President Obama heeded the message and after first two years had a strong female presence directing policy. His administration was extremely pro-female.
Anyone can whine about criticism. It takes a leader to listen and adjust.
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MineralMan
(146,331 posts)It's all about perceptions, isn't it? The perception there was that Bernie Sanders didn't talk about the issues of black women at a conference of those very women, really. He has his set piece, and he delivers it, whatever the audience.
So, his reception wasn't particularly encouraging. That's reality.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,655 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden