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Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:46 AM

 

Undecided at 40% leads LATEST Massachusetts Poll

Woah.

When given a choice in an early poll, the overwhelming winner in the latest Massachusetts Poll is Undecided at 40%.

No one else even comes close to Undecided, with the closest actual candidate getting only ~half that in support.

The results:

Biden 22%
Warren 10%
Buttigieg 8%
Sanders 6%

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2019/06/10/biden-leading-warren-among-democratic-voters-mass-poll-finds/GUVxw1pzDjA9Nau9cMAlCP/story.html

This pretty much mirrors what we see here on DU with our Primary Preference poll. The undecided DU-ers also remain at ~40%.

The reason why is simple, I think. Voters want to see and hear more from ALL the candidates. They have not gotten enough feedback yet to settle on a definitive choice because there have been no debates, no primaries, no caucuses and serious campaigning has barely started.

I wish all polls would give voters the chance to choice "undecided", that allows a more accurate picture of voter preference to emerge.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Reply Undecided at 40% leads LATEST Massachusetts Poll (Original post)
uawchild Jun 2019 OP
still_one Jun 2019 #1
uawchild Jun 2019 #6
still_one Jun 2019 #12
still_one Jun 2019 #20
mtnsnake Jun 2019 #2
Clash City Rocker Jun 2019 #3
democrank Jun 2019 #4
DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2019 #5
uawchild Jun 2019 #9
DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2019 #11
uawchild Jun 2019 #13
DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2019 #15
uawchild Jun 2019 #16
DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2019 #17
uawchild Jun 2019 #19
DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2019 #21
uawchild Jun 2019 #22
DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2019 #23
Funtatlaguy Jun 2019 #7
redstateblues Jun 2019 #8
uawchild Jun 2019 #10
smooth64 Jun 2019 #14
Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #18

Response to uawchild (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:52 AM

1. They do, and it is around 33% on average

 

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:20 AM

6. I might have been pushed polled then

 

I forget who, but I got a call to be polled and when I said I was undecided they said that wasn't an option and they hung up. lol

It would be nice if the undecided percent was reported and shown in those tabulations for all the polls then, especially this early.

Thanks!
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Response to uawchild (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:34 AM

12. That happens too, but your point is valid, there are a lot of undecided voters, and they want more

 

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Response to uawchild (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:34 AM

20. That isn't necessarily a push poll, but it indicates as you said an insufficient poll because it

 

doesnít include those who havenít decided

What you pointed out is it depends on the polyester

You make a very good point


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Response to uawchild (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:57 AM

2. "I wish all polls would give voters the chance to choice "undecided""

 

Amen to that. The high number of undecideds speaks volumes. We have so many talented candidates that it's just too hard to decide so early when really need to hear more from each one of them. They are all so good.
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Response to uawchild (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:03 AM

3. I would assume most of us are undecided

 

The question here was who would you vote for if the election was held today, which isnít really a commitment. It just means we are a little more partial to one candidate over the others.

Making a final, conclusive choice this far in advance would seem ill-advised to me.
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Response to uawchild (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:04 AM

4. I believe Independents are in the low 40's nationally.

 

Almost 4 in 10 DUers are Undecided. Thereís a story there.
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Response to uawchild (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:07 AM

5. Bernie, Joe, and Elizabeth have near 100% name recognition in the Bay State.

 

Their numbers are more likely to be the true.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:26 AM

9. The number show voters are undecided, big time.

 

People want to hear what these candidates are going to do in THIS presidential cycle.

The fact that Biden, the person with the most exposure on the national stage as a TWO term Vice President, got beat by undecided 2:1 shows that.

None of these three candidates have sealed the deal in Massachusetts, that's apparent. And probably a good thing.
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Response to uawchild (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:34 AM

11. 10% in a state where you're the sitting senator isn't good.

 

Ted Kennedy got 65% of the vote in the 1980 Massachusetts Democratic primary against a sitting president.

Joe, Elizabeth, and Bernie have one hundred percent name recognition in Massachusetts. Their numbers mean something and what they mean for Elizabeth and Bernie isn't good. In fact Bernie received 48.3% of the vote in the 2016 primary. For him 6% is terrible.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:40 AM

13. You would think Obama's VP would have done better too.

 

I would have thought that a two term Obama Vice President would have done much better than 24% in true blue Massachusetts to be honest.

Look, trying to spin this to show a definitive preference from this poll result is just silly.

40% of the responders were undecided. That beats the closest person by ~ 2:1.

We can argue, I mean discuss, whether a home state Senator or Obama's two term VP had higher expectations to meet in Massachusetts but it's pointless.

The Poll shows voters are DECIDEDLY undecided.

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Response to uawchild (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:46 AM

15. You're fixated on Joe.

 

To me the fact a sitting senator is polling at ten percent in her home state and Bernie lost eighty percent of his support is what is remarkable.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:00 AM

16. or are you fixated on Joe?

 

To me the fact three extremely well known and prominent candidates got swamped by undecided at 40% is remarkable.


People can spin expectations all day long along, but that's just silly.

The poll is what it is. Voters are undecided.
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Response to uawchild (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:25 AM

17. I didn't even mention Joe

 

I'm fixated on the fact a sitting senator is polling at ten percent in her home state and Bernie lost eighty percent of his support is what is remarkable.


Do you or do you not find the fact a sitting senator is polling at ten percent in her home state and that Bernie lost eighty percent of his support remarkable?
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:32 AM

19. That's right you didn't mention Joe

 

You just seem to take issue with just two of the prominent candidates mentioned in the poll.

I wonder why. lol

I'm fixated on the fact that that A two term Obama VP, A sitting US senator in her home state, and a prominent candidate from the last presidential election are getting SWAMPED by UNDECIDED VOTERS at 40%.

See the difference?

Your concern is just a subset of mine. I wonder why.

Trying to spin this poll is just silly. The voters are decidedly undecided.

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Response to uawchild (Reply #19)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:36 AM

21. I really couldn't care less about Joe.

 

The salient facts are Elizabeth Warren is polling at ten percent in her home state and Bernie lost eighty eight percent of his support. And it's not as if the voters don't know who they are.


Do you or do you not think those numbers are good for them? Embodied in your argument is the assertion voters will like them more as they get to know more about them. They have one hundred percent name recognition. Given that don't you see how weak your argument is?
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #21)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:53 AM

22. doesn't come across that way, to be honest

 

See?

Once again you repeat the same points about just TWO of the THREE prominent candidates that got swamped by undecided voters in this poll.

The salient fact is that voters know who all THREE are and you keep talking only about just same two.

Biden , Warren and Sanders all got swamped by undecided at 40%.

I really don't think there is much more that I can say about that.

I focused on the poor performance of three candidates, you focused on the poor performance of just two.

I don't see much point in repeating myself about that fact either. lol

Thanks for the discussion!

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Response to uawchild (Reply #22)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:05 PM

23. A foundation

 

Biden, Warren, and Sanders have one hundred percent name recognition. One is a former vice president, one is a home state senator, and one is a senator from a neighboring state who won nearly forty nine percent of the vote in the previous primary. If Joe's 24% showing is awful as you are suggesting what does that say about Warren who is polling at 10% and Sanders polling at 6%?
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Response to uawchild (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:23 AM

7. Like DUers, Dems from Mass are discriminating & patient.

 

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Response to uawchild (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:24 AM

8. It's surprising that Warren is only at 10% in her home state

 

Surely her home state voters have heard her a lot
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Response to redstateblues (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:31 AM

10. It's surprising that Biden a two term Obama VP is only at 24%

 

Surely voters have heard of Obama's BFF and two term Vice president, don't you think?

lol

Look, we can spin spin spin all day, but the fact is that voters are undecided, it's just too early.

Voters need to see the debates, see actual primary/cacus results and have the candidates campaign on the issues THIS presidential cycle.

That's obvious and just common sense. This poll shows that.
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Response to uawchild (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:43 AM

14. If you listen to the media and pundits

 

You would think Biden has the nomination wrapped up
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Response to uawchild (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:27 AM

18. As an undecided, I totally get it. nt

 

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