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Mon Jun 17, 2019, 02:04 PM

 

Sexism is weighing down the women running for the Democratic nomination

Sexism is weighing down the women running for the Democratic presidential nomination, a new public opinion survey conducted by Ipsos for The Daily Beast reveals.

A full 20 percent of Democratic and independent men who responded to the survey said they agreed with the sentiment that women are “less effective in politics than men.” And while 74 percent of respondents claimed they were personally comfortable with a female president, only 33 percent believed their neighbors would be comfortable with a woman in the Oval Office.

That latter number, explained Mallory Newall, research director at Ipsos, was a strong tell about how gender dynamics were souring voters on certain candidates. Asking respondents how they believe their neighbors feel about an issue is “a classic method to get around people being reluctant to admit to less popular views.”

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The discomfort that voters have with female candidates helps explain one of the persistent undercurrents of the current election. In various hypothetical general election matchups, the male Democratic candidates have consistently done better against President Trump than their female counterparts.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/elizabeth-warren-and-kamala-harris-are-being-held-back-by-sexist-voters-exclusive-poll-finds
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Reply Sexism is weighing down the women running for the Democratic nomination (Original post)
DesertRat Jun 2019 OP
TygrBright Jun 2019 #1
NYMinute Jun 2019 #2
DesertRat Jun 2019 #3
ancianita Jun 2019 #4
CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2019 #7
DesertRat Jun 2019 #9
pangaia Jun 2019 #14
demmiblue Jun 2019 #5
cwydro Jun 2019 #8
mcar Jun 2019 #6
NurseJackie Jun 2019 #10
brer cat Jun 2019 #11
SWBTATTReg Jun 2019 #12
LakeArenal Jun 2019 #13
The Mouth Jun 2019 #21
Nitram Jun 2019 #15
Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #16
JGug1 Jun 2019 #18
Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #19
JGug1 Jun 2019 #17
Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #20
BlueWI Jun 2019 #24
Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #33
MrsCoffee Jun 2019 #36
MrsCoffee Jun 2019 #35
Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #22
BlueWI Jun 2019 #25
Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #30
MrsCoffee Jun 2019 #37
MrsCoffee Jun 2019 #38
sheshe2 Jun 2019 #23
Hoyt Jun 2019 #26
Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #32
Hoyt Jun 2019 #34
VarryOn Jun 2019 #27
Liberty Belle Jun 2019 #28
ecstatic Jun 2019 #29
Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #31
DesertRat Jun 2019 #39

Response to DesertRat (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 02:16 PM

1. Oh, godz, no! Really??! Do ya think?? (We should have a sarcasm smiley for the title line) n/t

 

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Response to DesertRat (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 02:17 PM

2. This was also a problem for Hillary nt

 

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Response to NYMinute (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 02:24 PM

3. Yes it was even though she received more votes than DT

 

I think this poll shows that she would have done even better weren't for sexism.
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Response to DesertRat (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 02:25 PM

4. The 20% who say women are "less effective" are wrong. It's men in govt who are "less responsive"

 

to women leaders -- they are the problem. Not women's so-called effectiveness.

Their failure to see women leaders' ideas because they can't see past women having the ideas is what weighs women down.

Women not only have to fight for their ideas and actions, they have to fight against their equals who refuse to live with women's equality, and thus find any pretext for undermining women's effectiveness.
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Response to ancianita (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 02:54 PM

7. You have put your finger right on the problem!

 

Your post is extremely well written. I urge you to post it as a stand-alone post, an OP.

It needs to be seen much more widely!



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Response to ancianita (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 03:00 PM

9. Yes! Thank you

 

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Response to ancianita (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 04:32 PM

14. Well said.

 

My particular 'field of expertise,' was/is as a classical musician.

Women conductors have been in living hell trying to 'make it.'

To say nothing of the fight to just become orchestra members, which has been improved 10,000%, I will say... yet...

Here is one of the really brilliant conductors---
Mirga Gražinytė-Tyla

Her PROMS debut.
But, she makes a mistake during the Mozart.. A tiny one, but the winds save her.. Can you spot it?


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Response to DesertRat (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 02:35 PM

5. Yeah, and the ones here who feel that way have something in common. n/t

 

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 02:57 PM

8. Yup, and what's funny usually they couch it as "my friend says so and so..."

 

Or “the average American is not ready...”

Yeah, right.
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Response to DesertRat (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 02:49 PM

6. Ugh

 

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Response to DesertRat (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 03:05 PM

10. I was wondering what it might be.

 

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Response to DesertRat (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 03:33 PM

11. K&R

 

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Response to DesertRat (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 03:56 PM

12. Wouldn't be surprised...I have relatives that are very sexist and racist too...I stay away for my...

 

own sanity...
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Response to DesertRat (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 04:20 PM

13. I live in the heart of trumpsters.

 

The “Birthplace of the Republican Party” is 25 miles away. They are never going to vote for a women. NEVER.

They still fly Don’t Tread on Me flags.
There are still Hillary for
Prison signs up.
The diviest bar still sells the T-shirts.

One house had one cornstalk up with a sign,
Corn “MACE” For Blondes. It was up a year.
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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 05:18 PM

21. They might have gone for Sarah Palin

 

Man, I would liked to have seen Clinton vs Palin in 2008.
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Response to DesertRat (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 04:34 PM

15. "Sexism is weighing down the women running for the Democratic presidential nomination."

 

It always does.
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Response to DesertRat (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 04:36 PM

16. Well, that sucks. But all it takes is that special charismatic one, to change things.

 

Just like people had a view of black people and wouldn't vote for an Af. American for President, along came Obama, and all that changed. He wasn't so much a person of mixed race as he was a charismatic politician with natural leadership qualities.

That's what may change the female thing. This charismatic leadership quality is hard to come by among men, and harder to find among women.

It's a confidence, a sense of self, an ease with oneself and others, good sense of humor, smart, quick on her feet...someone anyone would follow if you're lost in a jungle, and she says, "Follow me! I'll find the way out!"

Women haven't historically been raised to have these qualities. But that's changing, so hopefully, more women will exhibit these natural leadership qualities.
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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 04:43 PM

18. charismatic women?

 

OAC as she grows. Perhaps as soon as 2028?
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Response to JGug1 (Reply #18)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 05:15 PM

19. Houston, we have a problem.

 

If you think Cortez is charismatic or would appeal to anywhere near a majority of voters in the states, we have a problem.

Do you live in New York? I'm just curious why Cortez would spring to mind for you.
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Response to DesertRat (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 04:42 PM

17. Sexism

 

It is what it is and it is WHY we should nominate a man. We simply cannot afford to have Trump reelected. Maybe put a female on the ticket and she can run in 2028.
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Response to JGug1 (Reply #17)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 05:16 PM

20. The VP will likely run in 2024, I think, if Biden wins. nt

 



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Response to JGug1 (Reply #17)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 10:11 PM

24. Only white men need apply until 2028.

 

Maybe we should put it on a sign!
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Response to BlueWI (Reply #24)

Tue Jun 18, 2019, 07:28 AM

33. Msybe because we have to stop the right.

 

I dont know how long it takes, but clearly not this year.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #33)

Tue Jun 18, 2019, 07:50 AM

36. Nothing clear at all about that nonsense.

 

Some folks sure seem to walk around like they know something when really they are just throwing around tired old excuses because they are so concerned that the womenz can only fail.

Even after Hillary, a woman who was attacked and threatened relentlessly, sailed to victory. The only way she could be beaten was by treason.

But, yeah, certainly not this year.

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Response to JGug1 (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 18, 2019, 07:43 AM

35. Fuck that noise.

 

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Response to DesertRat (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 06:19 PM

22. Of course women can be just as effective but with numbers like those I don't think any of our

 

women candidates will win a general...makes me sad.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #22)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 10:12 PM

25. Makes me sadder that so many have given up on our female candidates.

 

Not a good look for the party that claims to favor inclusion.
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Response to BlueWI (Reply #25)

Tue Jun 18, 2019, 07:25 AM

30. I feel it is the most important thing in the world to get rid of aTrump.

 

I can't change the sexism in the electorate before 2020 for sure so i wil pick a candidate who can win...better to win than be inclusive and lose. Reality often is a bitch.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #30)

Tue Jun 18, 2019, 07:51 AM

37. Tired, lame excuses.

 

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Response to BlueWI (Reply #25)

Tue Jun 18, 2019, 07:52 AM

38. + infinity

 

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Response to DesertRat (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 07:36 PM

23. K and R

 

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Response to DesertRat (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 10:17 PM

26. We don't know because we keep electing men.

 

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #26)

Tue Jun 18, 2019, 07:26 AM

32. Ginsberg wont last another term...not the year to take a chance.

 

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #32)

Tue Jun 18, 2019, 07:33 AM

34. Ginsberg is a big concern, but not sure that's a good reason to go for a man.

 

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Response to DesertRat (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 11:12 PM

27. With millions of male voters...

 

I dont doubt at least some would not vote for a woman. For me (and I suspect I'm not the only one), I am extra-motivated to vote for a woman out of a "gender or sex guilt." ( it's akin to white guilt.) It makes me feel good to vote for a woman and any guily I have (which Isnt great but it is assuaged by voting for a woman. For sure, I always vote for the best candidate, so sex isnt the main catagory. But, I feel good voting for a woman. I feel good voting for any non-mainstream candidate (as long as they are a Democrat)! I violated my conscience in 2006, though, when I voted for a cousin running for cicuit judge as a Republican.
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Response to VarryOn (Reply #27)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 11:59 PM

28. Yes, just as Obama was elected by milions of white voters

 

and people of other races -- there just aren't enough black voters for him to win with that alone.

We cannot pander to the bigots, racists and male chauvinists who are likely not going to vote Democratic no matter what. The Neanderthals would vote for a chimpanzee if it has an R after its name on the ballot.

Women and people of color, however, excite many voters who might otherwise stay home, boosting turnout.

There have been plenty of women Governors elected even in conservative Southern states. I am just not worried that gender alone would cost more votes than it would win.

And a woman at the top of the Dem ticket might also get some moderate women's votes -- and after all, women ARE the majority of the U.S. population!
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Response to DesertRat (Original post)

Tue Jun 18, 2019, 12:40 AM

29. but will those men vote for trump over a female democratic nominee?

 

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #29)

Tue Jun 18, 2019, 07:26 AM

31. Yes i believe they will and some did in 2016.

 

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #29)

Tue Jun 18, 2019, 11:39 AM

39. I believe some just won't vote for President

 

voting only for local candidates and propositions. I know people who did that in 2016.
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