Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBiden shows a 22% lead over closest rival in new poll.
This is a remarkable showing. Beto O'Rourke, too, has jumped a couple of positions and is now in fourth place according to this HarrisX poll, as published by "The Hill." Remarkably, nobody but Biden in this poll exceeded the 15% rule delegate cutoff.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....some of the <1%ers will face reality and drop out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)redistribution looks, I think.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)He has the widest appeal at this point to the most voters I think.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Bernie has dropped a bit and some of the others have changed place, but there's Biden, with the same 35%. The only thing that has changed for him is his margin over the closest rival. It went up. Also, the undecided 17% is still the same, too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)And Warren and Beto made gains.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)That's not unexpected. I figure that will continue.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)There isn't much of a difference between these two polls.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)And will likely hastily dissipate immediately following the first debate as other candidates gain.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)They were so certain that the day he announced would be the best day for him in the polls then, after that, his numbers would sink. Boy were they all wrong.
But let's continue to move the goalpost - shall we? Biden will just continue to prove all of the naysayers wrong. I, personally, enjoy it...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Or maintain his lead. However, we won't really know until the debates allow primary voters to get to know all of the candidates. Polling this early is based entirely on name recognition. And when we talk about moving goalposts, I go back to how Bernie was not supposed to win even one primary during the last presidential primaries. If polling this early was correct, he wouldn't have.
That being said, he won 23. In comparison, Biden has run for president twice already and has won a total of 0 primaries...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)It's too early, and there is plenty else going on, because it's Summer. They might change the rankings somewhat, but I suspect most of the movement will be in the second and lower tiers. I expect Biden to get a bump, as well. He'll do just fine in the debate. Still, each of them is only going to have limited time to make their case, since there are 10 people in each debate.
I don't know why people think Biden will do poorly and lose poll results from it. I think he'll probably have a net gain.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)I don't think he will do well because I believe his views to be out of touch with the broader swaths of primary voters and that will be obvious in the debates.I obviously cpuld be completely wrong though and it will bee interesting to see.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Actually, he might go up a few points, too. Plus, some of the undecideds might decide after the debate. I won't make any predictions, but will wait and see.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Polls this early in June of 2015 showed Hillary ahead by 24 points on Trump. Unless the election were actually held today, there is almost no point to them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Trump was not an incumbent president. I'd wager head-to-head polling at this point against an incumbent is telling. Obama didn't trail any of the Republicans consistently at this point in 2011 - and Bush didn't trail any Democrats at this point in 2003. Both won reelection.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Not the extent to what trump is trailing all our front runners, but still notable.
That being said, I really hope you are right. I jist jave my nagging doubts after being burned so many times
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Here's some polls from around this point in the campaign back in 2003:
ABC News Poll. May 28-June 1, 2003. N=1,029 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3. Fieldwork by TNS Intersearch.
"If the 2004 presidential election were being held today, and the candidates were George W. Bush, the Republican, and Hillary Clinton, the Democrat, for whom would you vote?"
Bush: 58%
Clinton: 34%
Andres McKenna Research. July 8-10, 2003. N=600 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 4.
Bush: 51%
Lieberman: 32%
Bush: 50%
Gephardt: 30%
In fact, Kerry didn't even register a poll until August that year, when Zogby did a poll of the top Democratic candidates - and none of 'em led:
Zogby International for DraftWesleyClark.com. Aug. 16-19, 2003. N=1,019 likely voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.2.
Bush: 48%
Lieberman: 43%
Bush: 49%
Gephardt: 43%
Bush: 50%
Kerry: 41%
Bush: 50%
Dean: 40%
Bush: 49%
Clark: 37%
The first poll I can find where Bush actually trailed a named Democrat (so, not just generic) was a Quinnipiac University Poll from Jan. 28-31, 2004 - and Kerry, after wins in Iowa and New Hampshire - led 51-43.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)When Biden put out his first video, the narrative was that his lead would collapse quickly. It didn't.
When Biden held his rally in Philadelphia, officially kicking off his campaign, many predicted his lead would collapse quickly. It didn't.
When Biden changed positions on Hyde, many said that was the beginning of the end. It wasn't.
Now it's the debates - and then what?
Maybe it's time to face the reality: Biden is well-liked by Democrats and has a strong level of support that is propelling him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Probably mean he has a lock. But even when that happened in 2016 it wasnt actually the case. The only polls that matter are the ones on election day, as they say
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MarcA
(2,195 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)If they stay divided, he wins, but has weak support because most people wanted someone else. If the voters consolidate around one of the challengers, he has a real race on his hands.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Think about it. Frankly, it's remarkable that anyone has 35%, really.
Biden has a very strong plurality in the current polls. His margin over the top competitor is larger than that competitor's polling percentage. Think about that, too.
In fact, if you add up the next two competitors, his margin is still larger.
It's an enviable position to be in for such a crowded field.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)After the first two debates, anyone still at 1% will be under pressure to drop out and many will. Also, I think Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg and O'Rourke are appealing to the same group of voters. They will start to consolidate around one of them, whoever seems strongest. Personally, I will do that, except I probably won't go for Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JI7
(89,249 posts)i think in the end most will go to Beto just based on their campaigning. Biden doesn't like to campaign and Beto is one of the best at it.
the media has made it seem like pete was hurting beto. but it's actually Biden getting into the race which hurt him since they have the same type of supporters.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)We'll have to wait and see, won't we?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)Beto appeals more to people who want something to vote FOR in addition to beating Trump. His supporters are devoted to his campaign. They aren't simply supporting him just because they think he's the most likely to win. They know he can win and they believe in and trust him. They don't want to settle.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)As was expected.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Not even a blip, really.
Everyone doing news pretty much pointed out that the other candidates who have House or Senate experience also voted for bills that contained that language. There wasn't much the other candidates could say about it, due to that inconvenient fact. It wasn't an issue that had separation among the candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)The biggest "blip" was mainly with those who already had a bias to another candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)That was not polled.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)But, wait - Joe Biden is a Master Debater. (Did i spell that right? You gotta be careful with that phrase.)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden