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BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 01:51 PM Jun 2019

Bernie is flailing



Sorry Bernie, but the billionaire class isn't so keen on Warren either. Plus people have a higher degree of confidence in Warren's ability to do all the things you list.

Your main problem isn't "the corporate wing of the Democratic Party." It's that, unlike 2016, Elizabeth Warren is running for President.
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Bernie is flailing (Original Post) BeyondGeography Jun 2019 OP
What happened to the pledge that he so proudly claimed he was the first to sign? George II Jun 2019 #1
He's a liar and no dem. Same shit new election. we can do it Jun 2019 #60
Who is surprised by this? Gothmog Jun 2019 #77
The "Democrats are plotting against me" schtick from Bernie is not wearing well. Zoonart Jun 2019 #2
Spoiler Alert! TheBlackAdder Jun 2019 #81
I don't disparage him this way. Cary Jun 2019 #3
Are you the corporate wing of the Democratic party ? CentralMass Jun 2019 #52
Warren started consumer protection agency. we can do it Jun 2019 #61
Good question Cary Jun 2019 #69
Thank You! Cha Jun 2019 #76
Well, he's named a few post offices NastyRiffraff Jun 2019 #88
😂 we can do it Jun 2019 #89
I don't support Sanders so according to Sanders' supporters, yes Cary Jun 2019 #68
Is that anyone that does not follow Bernie lockstep? Blue_true Jun 2019 #71
Don't even Go There, Man Eustace is Useful Jun 2019 #85
Just pathetic... comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #4
+1000 we can do it Jun 2019 #62
He is sinking and is grasping at straws Botany Jun 2019 #5
i hope he doesn't turn all mean like he did to Hillary. I love our Democratic candidates !! trueblue2007 Jun 2019 #9
I am afraid that he has one foot already there. Blue_true Jun 2019 #72
He is right. Tiggeroshii Jun 2019 #6
There's certainly an anti-Bernie component at work here BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #7
She is the best moderate candidate we have. Tiggeroshii Jun 2019 #11
Warren isn't moderate. HerbChestnut Jun 2019 #17
disagree, Warren is to the left of Sanders since she supports planned parenthood JI7 Jun 2019 #21
Planned parenthood exists and is needed due to a vacuum of accessible medical care. Tiggeroshii Jun 2019 #23
I don't think Bernie's plan is to abolish Planned Parenthood? More likely the govt will emulatorloo Jun 2019 #25
Agreed completely. Tiggeroshii Jun 2019 #34
And sensible gun control, which bs does not. we can do it Jun 2019 #63
FWIW Tiggeroshii Jun 2019 #22
We live in America though. Both Sanders and Warren are left-liberal in policy emulatorloo Jun 2019 #28
Agreed Tiggeroshii Jun 2019 #30
Oh I totally get that. Would definitely change the conversation in a good way emulatorloo Jun 2019 #31
More progressive in terms of progressive accomplishments. ehrnst Jun 2019 #42
She is a moderate progressive. Tiggeroshii Jun 2019 #74
Warren is a solid left liberal. emulatorloo Jun 2019 #24
Agreed. Just a little to the right of what I would call "not moderate" Tiggeroshii Jun 2019 #39
You simply can't believe this. It's not possible. SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #33
She isnt a democratic socialist Tiggeroshii Jun 2019 #40
But she actually gets things done. Talk is talk - if there aren't any ehrnst Jun 2019 #43
DLC pushed our center politics to the right Tiggeroshii Jun 2019 #46
That's a label that doesn't put her anywhere... SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #83
Warren is moderate? mcar Jun 2019 #38
Yeah Tiggeroshii Jun 2019 #41
She got the CFPB into existence. Her accomplishments are to the left of Sanders. ehrnst Jun 2019 #44
Agreed. Tiggeroshii Jun 2019 #47
Not seeing anything there to rival Warren's accomplishment with the CFPB, ehrnst Jun 2019 #56
Shes a great candidate, shes honest and her policies benefit the vast majority Tiggeroshii Jun 2019 #57
Well, that's different than saying "she's moderate." ehrnst Jun 2019 #58
I think you are right Tiggeroshii Jun 2019 #59
She does the work. He wags the finga. we can do it Jun 2019 #64
Do you have a copy of the anti Bernie pact that people supposedly signed. Blue_true Jun 2019 #73
What "anti-Bernie pact"? betsuni Jun 2019 #80
That's true. She is that for a lot of people. KPN Jun 2019 #26
Bernie had the guts to run in 2016 BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #29
Why did you that Bernie was deferring to Warren before running in 2016? ehrnst Jun 2019 #48
He jumped in late when it was clear Warren wasn't running BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #49
I think that nothing and no one would stop Sanders from running. ehrnst Jun 2019 #51
Here's a good article on that BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #53
Did she discuss this with Sanders? ehrnst Jun 2019 #55
Warren's her own person. emulatorloo Jun 2019 #78
Of course. I never said that Warren wouldn't be where she is today without Bernie. I just know KPN Jun 2019 #84
I am a Democrat Cary Jun 2019 #19
Him. Not Us. W_HAMILTON Jun 2019 #8
I see what you did there. nt Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #14
I cannot forget that Sanders candidacy did contribute to Trump win question everything Jun 2019 #10
At one of his 2016 rallys SHRED Jun 2019 #13
I will never forget what he and the BoBs did. we can do it Jun 2019 #66
Ironically, Bernie's Progressive issues will have the best shot when Bernie drops out of the race aeromanKC Jun 2019 #12
unfortunately that will never happen, and the real hardcore (NON DU) Berners HATE Warren Celerity Jun 2019 #20
Bernie would have been nothing in 2016 if Warren ran (not keeping her word to constituents) we can do it Jun 2019 #67
This tweet is a mistake by the Sanders campaign. HerbChestnut Jun 2019 #15
Paranoia will destroy ya BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #16
Pathetic lunamagica Jun 2019 #18
Bernie, I love ya man, but calling out any Democrats is very unattractive when fascists yaesu Jun 2019 #27
Wow is he going down fast. What a horrible statement. SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #32
I guess BS thought hiring those Cha Jun 2019 #50
I don't think very many 'establishment' Democrats were willing comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #75
He should have had one of them make the tweet. Under their handle. SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #82
Yeah, it seems BS hired the wrong Cha Jun 2019 #87
This will be fun to watch Gothmog Jun 2019 #35
It will be interesting to see how Sanders supporters treat her on social media. ehrnst Jun 2019 #36
It'll look a lot like how they treated Hillary BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #37
They've been demonizing her over any little thing they can find for weeks now. NYC Democrat Jun 2019 #45
I keep seeing "Hillary 2.0" betsuni Jun 2019 #65
I lurk at Reddit. "Corporatist" "Centrist" "Establishment" All words that have nothing to do with emulatorloo Jun 2019 #79
Interesting tweet from Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) jayschool2013 Jun 2019 #54
Bernie has never seemed so out of touch with this tweet. Politicub Jun 2019 #70
From Nate Silver-Warren is hurting sanders Gothmog Jun 2019 #86
And wait for it.....voting for Warren is sexist🤣 we can do it Jun 2019 #90
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
1. What happened to the pledge that he so proudly claimed he was the first to sign?
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 01:52 PM
Jun 2019

And isn't it funny how he's no longer complaining about the millionaire class? I wonder why.

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we can do it

(12,184 posts)
60. He's a liar and no dem. Same shit new election.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 08:33 PM
Jun 2019
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Gothmog

(145,242 posts)
77. Who is surprised by this?
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 12:55 AM
Jun 2019

sanders surrogates have attacking other candidates from the start of this process

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Zoonart

(11,866 posts)
2. The "Democrats are plotting against me" schtick from Bernie is not wearing well.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 01:54 PM
Jun 2019

No SALE.

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TheBlackAdder

(28,201 posts)
81. Spoiler Alert!
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 01:40 AM
Jun 2019

.



I think I know how this movie ends.

.

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Cary

(11,746 posts)
3. I don't disparage him this way.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 01:54 PM
Jun 2019

Why does he disparage me?

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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
52. Are you the corporate wing of the Democratic party ?
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:49 PM
Jun 2019
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we can do it

(12,184 posts)
61. Warren started consumer protection agency.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 08:35 PM
Jun 2019

What has bs done other than wag finger and dis actual Democrats?

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NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
88. Well, he's named a few post offices
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 04:15 PM
Jun 2019

Credit where credit is due!

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Cary

(11,746 posts)
68. I don't support Sanders so according to Sanders' supporters, yes
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 11:04 PM
Jun 2019
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
71. Is that anyone that does not follow Bernie lockstep?
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 11:35 PM
Jun 2019

The Democratic Party has been a broad based party for something like 70 years. It started with Humphrey and other democrats taking on the Dixiecrats in the forties.

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85. Don't even Go There, Man
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 12:29 PM
Jun 2019

We've seen the movie, and the ending definitely left a sour taste on the party's palate. The Democratic Party, that is, not the Sanders Party of Vermont.

But hey, no need to despair! I'm a newb here, so you can report me any time you like.

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Botany

(70,504 posts)
5. He is sinking and is grasping at straws
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 01:55 PM
Jun 2019
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trueblue2007

(17,218 posts)
9. i hope he doesn't turn all mean like he did to Hillary. I love our Democratic candidates !!
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 02:02 PM
Jun 2019
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
72. I am afraid that he has one foot already there.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 11:39 PM
Jun 2019

He is letting it be known that if he feels that he is being slighted, whether a valid complaint of not, he is going to create problems for us.

The old

"Really nice political party you folks have here, would be too bad if something bad happened to it"

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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
6. He is right.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 01:58 PM
Jun 2019

Their concern may be well intentioned but is misdirected. They believe he cannot win, when all polling is on par with Joe Biden in head to head match ups with Trump.

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BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
7. There's certainly an anti-Bernie component at work here
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 02:01 PM
Jun 2019

on the part of centrists saying kind things about Warren. But Warren is not "anybody but Bernie." She's a much better Bernie for a lot of people.

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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
11. She is the best moderate candidate we have.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 02:09 PM
Jun 2019

Bernie is the best (only?) not moderate candidate we have. But for candidates to sign an anti Bernie pact -as Mayor Pete , Biden and others have done, certainly puts a bad taste in my mouth.

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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
17. Warren isn't moderate.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 02:18 PM
Jun 2019

Is she as progressive as Bernie? No, but she's damn close.

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JI7

(89,249 posts)
21. disagree, Warren is to the left of Sanders since she supports planned parenthood
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 02:24 PM
Jun 2019
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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
23. Planned parenthood exists and is needed due to a vacuum of accessible medical care.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 02:38 PM
Jun 2019

Bernie's plan is to make medical care accessible to everybody by abolishing private insurance and implementing guaranteed through medicare for all, so that Planned Parenthood is no longer a crucial medical need for rural and low income urban residents.

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emulatorloo

(44,124 posts)
25. I don't think Bernie's plan is to abolish Planned Parenthood? More likely the govt will
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 02:48 PM
Jun 2019

make Planned Parenthood a provider for Medicare for all.

As far as I know it is Republicans who want to abolish Planned Parenthood. Not Senator Sanders or any of our Democratic Candidates.

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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
34. Agreed completely.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 03:34 PM
Jun 2019

However the need for Planned Parenthood right now as a non-profit filling the gap in accessible medical care, cancer screenings, etc. would not be the case, ideally, under a Sanders Administration. Planned Parenthood is one of the best organizations radically reducing the need for abortions around the country by providing sex education, contraception and birth control. Also, less than 5% of their funds (probably more like 1%) actually goes towards abortions. Everything else to basic medical care for low income residents. They would be an additional accessible/ affordable provider as you say, not, virtually the only one -as it is the case right now.

Republicans trying to abolish Planned Parenthood seem hellbent more on essentially kiling poor people by denying them basic medical care, as opposed to trying to prevent abortions.

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we can do it

(12,184 posts)
63. And sensible gun control, which bs does not.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 08:37 PM
Jun 2019
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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
22. FWIW
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 02:35 PM
Jun 2019

She is only slightly to the right of what I would consider "not moderate." But that is all absolutely, 100% okay.

From many standards besides an American one, Bernie would also fall under "moderate."

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emulatorloo

(44,124 posts)
28. We live in America though. Both Sanders and Warren are left-liberal in policy
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 03:02 PM
Jun 2019

They are quite similar in their policy stances. Warren is more of a policy wonk, where is Bernie is more of a big picture guy rather than getting into the nitty gritty details. There isn’t much daylight between them on policy. And FWIW neither have policies that are “socialist”.

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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
30. Agreed
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 03:11 PM
Jun 2019

And from my commie pinko perspective, not having a real socialist running is just too bad.

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emulatorloo

(44,124 posts)
31. Oh I totally get that. Would definitely change the conversation in a good way
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 03:13 PM
Jun 2019
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
42. More progressive in terms of progressive accomplishments.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:27 PM
Jun 2019

Until there are results, it's just talk.

And she's also impacted the conversation on income inequality more than anyone with the CFPB.

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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
74. She is a moderate progressive.
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 12:16 AM
Jun 2019

Very progressive but still moderate as progressives go. Feel free to read my other responses to the similar comments of yours.

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emulatorloo

(44,124 posts)
24. Warren is a solid left liberal.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 02:41 PM
Jun 2019
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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
39. Agreed. Just a little to the right of what I would call "not moderate"
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:13 PM
Jun 2019

But I have a different standard than most here would have.

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SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
33. You simply can't believe this. It's not possible.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 03:24 PM
Jun 2019

Warren is every bit as left as Sanders. I would say she is more-so considering she actually has plans that are thought through. Not just the campaign piece bullet points that Sanders calls plans. She also has more interest in taking on dark money. Something Sanders truly didn't comprehend three short years ago.

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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
40. She isnt a democratic socialist
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:17 PM
Jun 2019

In actions and name. That in itself is a distinction that puts her ever so slightly to his right. And Bernie to me barely fits the mold of "not moderate," as European and international standards would have him solidly moderate, or even our standards in the 1950s up till the DLC had its way with our party.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
43. But she actually gets things done. Talk is talk - if there aren't any
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:29 PM
Jun 2019

actual accomplishments, what does it matter what you say you are?

And what did the DLC do to the party?

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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
46. DLC pushed our center politics to the right
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:32 PM
Jun 2019

Putting the center of american politics historically right wing compared to any other country or historical point in American modern history.

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SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
83. That's a label that doesn't put her anywhere...
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 08:47 AM
Jun 2019

Except in a stronger coalition building position than Sanders. A bit shocking that a sales gimmick is what you think makes him more to the left. Heads up for the DLC!

Warren is every bit as left, if not more. She is better spoken, more intelligent, showing she is a better campaigner, and an all around better and more consistent person.

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mcar

(42,331 posts)
38. Warren is moderate?
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:00 PM
Jun 2019
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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
41. Yeah
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:17 PM
Jun 2019

But by comparison Obama was a right of center politician along with most of the Democratic party. Trump is a fascist dictator, and every Republican in this generation has brought the center of our American politics to the fringe of the extreme right wing. I would like to take it back.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
44. She got the CFPB into existence. Her accomplishments are to the left of Sanders.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:30 PM
Jun 2019

She gets it done.

She walks the walk.

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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
47. Agreed.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:34 PM
Jun 2019

Great argument for a moderate candidate like her. She still has yet to win more than the 23 primaries Bernie did. But I actually have no doubt she could.

Also some food for thought, not include Bernies success at pressuring Amazon to raise its minimum wage to 15 an hour. the cfpb is a great accomplishment, but
Bernie has her outdone with the vast accomplishments in his book.:

"Elected by the state of Vermont 8 times to serve in the House of Representatives.
The longest-serving independent in U.S. congressional history.
He was dubbed the “amendment king” in the House of Representatives for passing more amendments than any other member of Congress.
Ranking member on the Senate Budget Committee.
Former student organizer for the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC).
Led the first ever civil rights sit-in in Chicago history to protest segregated housing.
In 1963, Bernie Sanders participated in MLK’s Civil Rights March. One of only 2 sitting US Senators to have heard MLK’s “I have a Dream Speech” in person in the march on Washington, DC.
Former professor of political science at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government and at Hamilton College.
Former mayor of Burlington, VT. In a stunning upset in 1981, Sanders won the mayoral race in Burlington, Vermont’s largest city. He shocked the city’s political establishment by defeating a six-term, local machine mayor. Burlington is now reported to be one of the most livable cities in the nation.
Co-founded the Congressional Progressive Caucus and chaired the group for its first 8 years.
Both the NAACP and the NHLA (National Hispanic Leadership Agenda) have given Sanders 100% voting scores during his tenure in the Senate. Earns a D- from the NRA.
1984: Mayor Sanders established the Burlington Community Land Trust, the first municipal housing land-trust in the country for affordable housing. The project becomes a model emulated throughout the world. It later wins an award from Jack Kemp-led HUD.
1991: one of a handful in Congress to vote against authorizing US military force in Iraq. “I have a real fear that the region is not going to be more peaceful or more stable after the war,” he said at the time.
1992: Congress passes Sanders’ first signed piece of legislation to create the National Program of Cancer Registries. A Reader’s Digest article calls the law “the cancer weapon America needs most.” All 50 states now run registries to help cancer researchers gain important insights.
November 1993: Sanders votes against the Clinton-era North American Free Trade Agreement. Returning from a tour of factories in Mexico, Sanders says: “If NAFTA passes, corporate profits will soar because it will be even easier than now for American companies to flee to Mexico and hire workers there for starvation wages.”
July 1996: Sanders is one of only 67 (out of 435, 15%) votes against the discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act, which denied federal benefits to same-sex couples legally married. Sanders urged the Supreme Court to throw out the law, which it did in a landmark 2013 ruling – some 17 years later.
July 1999: Standing up against the major pharmaceutical companies, Sanders becomes the first member of Congress to personally take seniors across the border to Canada to buy lower-cost prescription drugs. The congressman continues his bus trips to Canada with a group of breast cancer patients the following April. These brave women are able to purchase their medications in Canada for almost one-tenth the price charged in the States.
August 1999: An overflow crowd of Vermonters packs a St. Michael’s College town hall meeting hosted by Sanders to protest an IBM plan to cut older workers’ pensions by as much as 50 percent. CBS Evening News with Dan Rather and The New York Times cover the event. After IBM enacts the plan, Sanders works to reverse the cuts, passing a pair of amendments to prohibit the federal government from acting to overturn a federal district court decision that ruled that IBM’s plan violated pension age discrimination laws. Thanks to Sanders’ efforts, IBM agreed to a $320 million legal settlement with some 130,000 IBM workers and retirees.
November 1999: About 10 years before the 2008 Wall Street crash spins the world economy into a massive recession, Sanders votes “no” on a bill to undo decades of financial regulations enacted after the Great Depression. “This legislation,” he predicts at the time, “will lead to fewer banks and financial service providers, increased charges and fees for individual consumers and small businesses, diminished credit for rural America and taxpayer exposure to potential losses should a financial conglomerate fail. It will lead to more mega-mergers, a small number of corporations dominating the financial service industry and further concentration of power in our country.” The House passed the bill 362-57 over Sanders’ objection.
October 2001: Sanders votes against the USA Patriot Act. “All of us want to protect the American people from terrorist attacks, but in a way that does not undermine basic freedoms,” Sanders says at the time. He subsequently votes against reauthorizing the law in 2006 and 2011.
October 2002: Sanders votes against the Bush-Cheney war in Iraq. He warns at the time that an invasion could “result in anti-Americanism, instability and more terrorism.” Hillary Clinton votes in favor of it.
November 2006: Sanders defeats Vermont’s richest man, Rich Tarrant, to be elected to the U.S. Senate. Sanders, running as an Independent, is endorsed by the Vermont Democratic Party and supported by the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.
December 2007: Sanders’ authored energy efficiency and conservation grant program passes into law. He later secures $3.2 billion in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 for the grant program.
September 2008: Thanks to Sanders’ efforts, funding for the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program funding doubles, helping millions of low-income Americans heat their homes in winter.
February 2009: Sanders works with Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley to pass an amendment to an economic recovery bill preventing Wall Street banks that take taxpayer bailouts from replacing laid-off U.S. workers with exploited and poorly-paid foreign workers.
December 2009: Sanders passes language in the Affordable Care Act to allow states to apply for waivers to implement pilot health care systems by 2017. The legislation allows states to adopt more comprehensive systems to cover more people at lower costs.
March 2010: President Barack Obama signs into law the Affordable Care Act with a major Sanders provision to expand federally qualified community health centers. Sanders secures $12.5 billion in funding for the program which now serves more than 25 million Americans. Another $1.5 billion from a Sanders provision went to the National Health Service Corps for scholarships and loan repayment for doctors and nurses who practice in under-served communities.
July 2010: Sanders works with Republican Congressman Ron Paul in the House to pass a measure as part of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform bill to audit the Federal Reserve, revealing how the independent agency gave $16 trillion in near zero-interest loans to big banks and businesses after the 2008 economic collapse.
March 2013: Sanders, now chairman of the Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee, and backed by seniors, women, veterans, labor unions and disabled Americans, leads a successful effort to stop a “chained-CPI” proposal supported by Congressional Republicans and the Administration to cut Social Security and disabled veterans’ benefits.
April 2013: Sanders introduces legislation to break up major Wall Street banks so large that the collapse of one could send the overall economy into a downward spiral.
August 2014: A bipartisan $16.5 billion veterans bill written by Sen. Sanders, Sen. John McCain and Rep. Jeff Miller is signed into law by President Barack Obama. The measure includes $5 billion for the VA to hire more doctors and health professionals to meet growing demand for care.
January 2015: Sanders takes over as ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, using the platform to fight for his economic agenda for the American middle class.
January 2015: Sanders votes against the Keystone XL pipeline, which would allow multinational corporation TransCanada to transport dirty tar sands oil from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico.
March 2015: Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) introduced legislation to expand benefits and strengthen the retirement program for generations to come. The Social Security Expansion Act was filed on the same day Sanders and other senators received the petitions signed by 2 million Americans, gathered by the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare.
September 2015: Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Rep. Raúl M. Grijalva (D-Ariz.), Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) and Rep. Bobby L. Rush (D-Ill.) today introduced bills to ban private prisons, reinstate the federal parole system and eliminate quotas for the number of immigrants held in detention.
January 2016: Sanders Places Hold on FDA Nominee Dr. Robert Califf because of his close ties to the pharmaceutical industry and lack of commitment to lowering drug prices. There is no reason to believe that he would make the FDA work for ordinary Americans, rather than just the CEOs of pharmaceutical companies."

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
56. Not seeing anything there to rival Warren's accomplishment with the CFPB,
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 08:08 PM
Jun 2019

in a much, much shorter career than Sanders, as you pointed out. It's far easier to win office in a homgenous state like Vermont (98% white) than it is in a more diverse state like Massachusetts (White 78.92% Black or African American: 7.36% Asian: 6.28%).

Bernie lost his bid for Governor even with such a homogenous constituency, so there's that part of his electoral record.

Warren has the respect of her colleagues and her cirtics - This is from 2015, when she was a freshman, and she has since grown in influence. She has the ability to work well with others, which is neccessary to getting work done - beyond simply voting for bills. That is something that Sanders could stand to learn.

Warren's real power lies in her outsized influence, not just for a freshman senator, but for virtually any elected official in Washington. Her pen may not have touched many pieces of legislation that made their way to Obama's desk since her election in 2012, but her fingerprints are all over them.

Even critics acknowledge that Warren's influence, particularly over federal agencies and her Democratic colleagues, goes beyond her fairly brief record of legislative accomplishment.

"She's both at the same time highly ineffective and influential—and I know that sounds inconsistent but it's not," one senior financial services executive, a Warren critic, said. "She has no legislative accomplishment other than to derail a few [nominees], which is easy to do. But to her credit, she is highly influential. Members of the House Democratic Caucus and Senate Democratic Caucus "¦ are really looking over their shoulders."

But perhaps more significantly, Warren displayed a restraint that has kept her, largely, in the good graces of her colleagues. Unlike Cruz and Sen. Mike Lee, to whom she often is compared, Warren made her opinion known and then allowed her colleagues to vote as they saw fit. Cruz and Lee, meanwhile, threatened to tank the whole funding package and kept their colleagues in Washington for a few late-night and weekend sessions ahead of their holiday recess.

Warren's restraint may have lost her the battle, but has earned her a tremendous amount of respect from her colleagues. Warren allies say that, coupled with her fundraising for candidates across the Democratic party spectrum, is what has helped to keep her relevant within the conference—though thousands of avid supporters willing to put their votes and their dollars behind her ideology, and against those who oppose her, don't hurt either.

That's helped Warren to continue to hold outsized sway over the conversation among Democratic policymakers in Washington, particularly for a freshman. "Democrats in Congress were talking about cutting Social Security in 2012, and Warren got 42 of 44 Democrats to vote yes on expanding Social Security benefits instead," Adam Green, cofounder of the Progressive Campaign Change Committee said in a statement.


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/05/is-elizabeth-warren-an-effective-senator/449349/


Also... if she's so "moderate" why is her rising base of support liberal?



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Tiggeroshii

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57. Shes a great candidate, shes honest and her policies benefit the vast majority
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 08:18 PM
Jun 2019

She isnt "so moderate" either. Shes just moderate compared to my ideal candidate (think the reincarnation of Marx )

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ehrnst

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58. Well, that's different than saying "she's moderate."
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 08:25 PM
Jun 2019

Good that you recognize that.

I think that politicians, women especially, are considered suspect by men on the left when they work well with others. Often, there is this idea that real power lies in making others submit to your will, "my way or the highway," and anything other than that is "sleeping with the enemy" no matter how much more effective it is at getting things done than telling anyone who doesn't shut up and do what they're told to go "f" themselves.

Pelosi and HRC have definitely targets of that mindset, and now Warren is going to be....

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Tiggeroshii

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59. I think you are right
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 08:32 PM
Jun 2019

Except i dont think it is limited to "men on the left," especially as we are seeing them, warren, pelosi and aoc broadly targeted by mens rights activists and right wing groups specifically because of gender. Similar to the way that movies with prominent women are targeted by mens groups simply because they are women.

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we can do it

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64. She does the work. He wags the finga.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 08:40 PM
Jun 2019
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
73. Do you have a copy of the anti Bernie pact that people supposedly signed.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 11:42 PM
Jun 2019

If so, can you post it?

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betsuni

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80. What "anti-Bernie pact"?
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 01:13 AM
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KPN

(15,645 posts)
26. That's true. She is that for a lot of people.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 02:59 PM
Jun 2019

Hopefully, between supporters of the two, there are enough to continue to pull the Party back to at least left-center on economic issues and actually make these a priority followed up by results.

It’s also true that Sanders did a lot, probably more than anyone else, to pave the way for folks like Warren. He deserves credit for that rather than disparagement.

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BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
29. Bernie had the guts to run in 2016
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 03:09 PM
Jun 2019

I always thought he was waiting for Warren to jump in and then he jumped in when she passed. She was always the better progressive candidate IMO. Now four years later she's demonstrating it and he's alleging dark conspiracies. If he's coming in for disparagement from people who actually like what he brought to the table four years ago that's on him.

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ehrnst

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48. Why did you that Bernie was deferring to Warren before running in 2016?
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:35 PM
Jun 2019

According to Jane, he asked her what she thought about him running - not Warren.

She said that she told him that she didn't want him to.

Take what you will from that concerning what he thought of anyone else's opinion about his candidacy.


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BeyondGeography

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49. He jumped in late when it was clear Warren wasn't running
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:38 PM
Jun 2019

I don’t think he would’ve had Warren thrown her hat in the ring.

It doesn’t matter anymore. This is a very different race and he shouldn’t be surprised that Warren is rising at his expense.

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ehrnst

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51. I think that nothing and no one would stop Sanders from running.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:44 PM
Jun 2019

When did she announce that she was considering running?

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BeyondGeography

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53. Here's a good article on that
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:49 PM
Jun 2019
https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2017/04/13/heres-why-elizabeth-warren-didnt-run-for-president-in-2016

Despite the clamoring from progressives and the incessant questioning from reporters, Sen. Elizabeth Warren never ended up launching a 2016 bid for president.

But she apparently did consider it.

According to the Wall Street Journal, Warren even acknowledges such in her upcoming book, which is set to be published next week. The Journal — which obtained an advance copy of the book, This Fight is Our Fight, from a conservative opposition research group — reports the Massachusetts Democrat went to her husband, Harvard professor and historian Bruce Mann, for his thoughts on running in early 2015.

“I knew what he would say first,” Warren wrote, “and he said it: ‘I want you to do whatever you want to do. I’ll be there.'”

While Mann was supportive, he also noted that the 2016 race “looks pretty terrible,” even compared to Warren’s notoriously ugly 2012 Senate race against Republican incumbent Sen. Scott Brown.

“The Senate thing was bad enough, and running for president would be worse—a lot worse,” Mann reportedly said.

Despite Mann’s support, Warren wrote she “wanted to stay buckled down and keep doing [her] job” in the Senate, according to the Journal.

Instead, Warren reportedly met one-on-one with Hillary Clinton in February 2015, during which Clinton reportedly solicited policy ideas and suggestions from the senator, who at the time was — and continues to be — one of the leading progressive political voices.

Her decision not to run effectively opened a lane for fellow Sen. Bernie Sanders’s insurgent primary campaign against Clinton, who ultimately won the nomination in a closer-than-expected race — leading some to wonder whether Warren could have won, if she ran.
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ehrnst

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55. Did she discuss this with Sanders?
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:59 PM
Jun 2019

Not seeing that in the article.

And there's this, which shows a preview of what we saw with him on Twitter this week:

Sanders on Monday responded to Warren's meeting with Biden by calling her a "very good friend" whom he'd met many times. He then fired off the kind of acidic critique of the U.S. economic system for which she has become known.

"I think people understand there is something profoundly wrong today with establishment politics, that we need some bold ideas to resurrect the middle class in this country, to address poverty, to address income and wealth inequality," Sanders told reporters in New Hampshire.


https://www.cnn.com/2015/08/25/politics/elizabeth-warren-joe-biden-elections-2016/index.html

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emulatorloo

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78. Warren's her own person.
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 01:03 AM
Jun 2019

I like Bernie a lot, but I think it’s a little insulting to Warren to say he paved her way. There were left-liberals before Bernie. They paved the way for him. I guess in the long run they are all standing on the shoulders of giants. Progressivism and Left-Liberal policy has a long history.

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KPN

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84. Of course. I never said that Warren wouldn't be where she is today without Bernie. I just know
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 11:38 AM
Jun 2019

from having paid attention to progressives that Bernie was far more visible and declarative about economic inequities of our system and policy than just about anyone for perhaps a decade or more. He legitimized what a lot of people were thinking as well as woke a lot of folks up over those years. All of those folks are voters. That's what I mean by paving the way.

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Cary

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19. I am a Democrat
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 02:22 PM
Jun 2019

I am a Democrat as opposed to a Republican. We Democrats are a coalition and we are one.

When you speak of "they" and you include yourself you say to me that you are not a Democrat. And if you are not a Democrat then you must be part of the Republican coalition.

Is that what you mean to tell me?

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Kahuna7

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14. I see what you did there. nt
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 02:10 PM
Jun 2019
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question everything

(47,479 posts)
10. I cannot forget that Sanders candidacy did contribute to Trump win
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 02:04 PM
Jun 2019

Many of his supporters stayed home and a certain percentage, verified, actually voted for Trump.

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SHRED

(28,136 posts)
13. At one of his 2016 rallys
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 02:10 PM
Jun 2019

I met more than one person who said they'd never vote for Hillary. It was very disturbing.

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we can do it

(12,184 posts)
66. I will never forget what he and the BoBs did.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 08:42 PM
Jun 2019
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aeromanKC

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12. Ironically, Bernie's Progressive issues will have the best shot when Bernie drops out of the race
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 02:10 PM
Jun 2019

and throws his support to Warren.

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Celerity

(43,372 posts)
20. unfortunately that will never happen, and the real hardcore (NON DU) Berners HATE Warren
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 02:23 PM
Jun 2019

They think she is helping steal Bernie's post-2016 birthright.

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we can do it

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67. Bernie would have been nothing in 2016 if Warren ran (not keeping her word to constituents)
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 08:43 PM
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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
15. This tweet is a mistake by the Sanders campaign.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 02:14 PM
Jun 2019

I like Bernie and the issues he's campaigning on, but this won't help attract new voters. He's trying to run like it's 2016 again. I thought (hoped) he and his campaign team would have learned lessons from the last campaign, and they have, but there's still glaring weaknesses in their strategy.

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BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
16. Paranoia will destroy ya
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 02:18 PM
Jun 2019

Fully agree; bad mistake. It's devoid of substance.

Forget the dark plots, why are you the best candidate?

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yaesu

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27. Bernie, I love ya man, but calling out any Democrats is very unattractive when fascists
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 03:00 PM
Jun 2019

are our only enemy, a target rich environment.

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SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
32. Wow is he going down fast. What a horrible statement.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 03:19 PM
Jun 2019

He is desperately trying to hold his base together. He is outing himself for what most of us already understood about him.

That is flat out a Trump style tweet. Why did he hire such shady people to run his campaign if he was going to tweet things like this. This is something you keep an arms distance from. On top of that, the arrogance. Wow. This is conspiracy paranoia kind of stuff.

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Cha

(297,237 posts)
50. I guess BS thought hiring those
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:41 PM
Jun 2019

Jill Stein voters would help his campaign but it seems to have had the opposite effect so far.

Wonder whose brilliant idea the .. "... cat out of the bag.. corporate wing " tweet was? Sirota? Sounds like him.

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comradebillyboy

(10,147 posts)
75. I don't think very many 'establishment' Democrats were willing
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 12:21 AM
Jun 2019

to work for him.

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SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
82. He should have had one of them make the tweet. Under their handle.
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 08:45 AM
Jun 2019

It would still make it out to and excited his angry and fear driven base while not being directly from him. Conspiratorial paranoia isn't a good look.

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Cha

(297,237 posts)
87. Yeah, it seems BS hired the wrong
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 04:11 PM
Jun 2019

advisors.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
36. It will be interesting to see how Sanders supporters treat her on social media.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 04:51 PM
Jun 2019

Being as how so many of them stated that they could not be sexist because they would totally support her if she ran for POTUS.

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BannonsLiver

(16,387 posts)
37. It'll look a lot like how they treated Hillary
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 06:32 PM
Jun 2019

Anyone who gets in Bernie's way must be vilified and destroyed in their eyes.

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NYC Democrat

(295 posts)
45. They've been demonizing her over any little thing they can find for weeks now.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:32 PM
Jun 2019

Trying to make her into the Devil like they did Hillary. It's not about policy to them, it's about Bernie Sanders. It's just a personality cult.

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betsuni

(25,524 posts)
65. I keep seeing "Hillary 2.0"
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 08:40 PM
Jun 2019

Hillarybeth!

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emulatorloo

(44,124 posts)
79. I lurk at Reddit. "Corporatist" "Centrist" "Establishment" All words that have nothing to do with
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 01:12 AM
Jun 2019

Warren’s actual record and policy proposals.

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jayschool2013

(2,312 posts)
54. Interesting tweet from Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont)
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:50 PM
Jun 2019

I'm going to vote for Democrats, though.

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Politicub

(12,165 posts)
70. Bernie has never seemed so out of touch with this tweet.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 11:29 PM
Jun 2019

It’s bizarre and off key. I can’t seem to put my finger on exactly why, though.

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Gothmog

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86. From Nate Silver-Warren is hurting sanders
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 12:36 PM
Jun 2019
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we can do it

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90. And wait for it.....voting for Warren is sexist🤣
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 04:41 PM
Jun 2019
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