Democrats Blast Biden For Recalling 'Civil' Relationship With Segregationists

[LovingA2andMI]

The day after former Vice President Joe Biden recalled his "civil" and productive working relationships decades ago with two longtime segregationist and racist fellow lawmakers, fellow Democrats are pouncing.

At a New York City fundraiser Tuesday night, Biden told donors he's reached across the aisle throughout his career. "I was in a caucus with James O. Eastland," Biden said, according to a pool report. "He never called me boy, he always called me son."

"Well guess what? At least there was some civility," Biden said, also pointing to a working relationship he forged with Georgia Sen. Herman Talmadge, another segregationist Democrat. "We got things done. We didn't agree on much of anything. We got things done. We got it finished. But today, you look at the other side and you're the enemy. Not the opposition, the enemy. We don't talk to each other anymore."

Eastland represented Mississippi in the Senate for decades. He decried integration in public schools, the military and elsewhere, and was a staunch opponent of Civil Rights legislation.

At the height of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s landmark Montgomery bus boycott, Eastland told a segregationist rally that, "In every stage of the bus boycott we have been oppressed and degraded because of black, slimy, juicy, unbearably stinking n*****s." According to Robert Caro's Master Of The Senate, Eastland went on to urge the crowd to "abolish the Negro race" with "guns, bows and arrows, slingshots, and knives."

"You don't joke about calling black men 'boys,'" New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker, one of three black Democratic candidates for president, said in a statement Wednesday. "Vice President Biden's relationships with proud segregationists are not the model for how we make America a safer and more inclusive place for black people, and for everyone. I have to tell Vice President Biden, as someone I respect, that he is wrong for using his relationships with Eastland and Talmadge as examples of how to bring our country together."

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/19/734103488/democrats-blast-biden-for-recalling-civil-relationship-with-segregationists

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THANK YOU SENATOR BOOKER for Standing Up To This.....and as for Biden, he truly picked the WRONG WEEK --- Juneteenth Week and Juneteenth is TODAY -- to come out to say some crap like this. He will sink like a ROCK with African-American voters once this gets around. Joe Biden is NOT Barack Obama and We...Know...This!

As for the typical question. Our Response:

****We Are Not Past The Primary Yet or YET to Have One Democratic Debate. With That -- We Will Vote For The Democratic Nominee and Warren continues to move up in the polls --- and has a year to keep doing so.****

[Skya Rhen]

1. Who says that Biden "will sink like a ROCK with African-American voters once this gets around"?

Whoever said this must really think little of the AA community. It is condescending to believe that we are so fickled.

Keep watching the polls...

[LovingA2andMI]

3. We Plan On It...

By the way are you African-American? To answer the question to come back, YES, WE ARE.

[Tarheel_Dem]

13. I'm African American, and this statement doesn't affect my support. Booker feels differently,

but he doesn't speak for the entire AA community. If Barack Obama chose Biden as his #2, that carries a lot more weight with me than someone who is an opponent of Biden, and trying to raise his own prospects out of low single digits.

[dvduval]

21. Not good

the conversation I'm now seeing here is that even considering voting for The "other" Democratic candidate would be the most evil thing you could do, and this is just perfect for getting Trump re-elected for four more years. We must take back the White House.

Warren or Biden or whoever I will vote against Donald Trump all the way. Let's go Democratic party!

[LovingA2andMI]

44. Maybe you should read the entire post...

FYI....Including the BOLD bottom half.

[Skya Rhen]

30. Yes, I am African American - in response to your question...

[LovingA2andMI]

45. Okay....

And you are Okay with the word "Boy" used in the sentence context it was used? Okay --- we are NOT!

[Skya Rhen]

70. Yes, I am okay with the context in which it was used. It doesn't bother me one bit.

[Celerity]

12. I am part A-A and Biden is self-inflicting this by bringing it current with his own present words

For me (I would never pretend to speak for others) this is relevant and troubling. Combine that with his extremely poor showing at the Poor People's Campaign (if THAT Biden shows up at primary debates and other major events, let alone a debate with Rump he is sunk). He was very bad, rambling, lost trains of thoughts, unable to put complete sentences together in a cogent, coherent manner, and had very problematic interactions physically with the moderators (2 of whom were African-American, and 2 of whom were female, including a female of colour).

[LovingA2andMI]

17. Oh Wow...

That sounds like a Horrible Showing. Not good and the Poor People's Campaign has plenty of Activists within the organization's ranks.

[Celerity]

20. here is the video

judge for yourself

[LovingA2andMI]

25. Oh Wow...

and WOW...again.

[ecstatic]

43. +1000. nt

[samnsara]

2. im voting for Joe...

[LovingA2andMI]

4. Okay....

Our vote is for Warren.

[democratisphere]

5. Just keep up the Democratic candidate hit jobs and see where this gets US.

40+ years ago bussing was never a good idea to achieve integration.

[brooklynite]

24. So you're suggesting we ignore any inconvenient story about our favorite candidates?

[democratisphere]

34. Bussing to achieve integration was NEVER a good idea and failed miserably.

Mud slinging over THIS issue is insane.

[Voltaire2]

26. Biden routinely carries out hit jobs on himself.

Don’t say you weren’t warned

[democratisphere]

35. Bussing to achieve integration was a total failure.

Joe Biden will actually gain voters from his position on the bussing issue; no one liked it!

[Voltaire2]

36. No it wasn't.

We just lost the will to continue desegregation efforts as politicians like Biden gave in to political pressure.

While we were actively de-segregating public schools in the 70s and 80s, educational equity increased. When we stopped in the late 80s and early 90s it decreased. We gave up and gave in.

[democratisphere]

37. The bussees and their families hated it. It forced people out of their element into

difficult foreign situations and environments. It died because no one liked it!

[Voltaire2]

38. It was certainly exploited by rightwing fascists.

No argument there. However it also demonstrably worked to improve educational equity.

[democratisphere]

69. Spare the RW BS.

When an idea is bad, it's bad. No one wants to be uprooted from their town and carted somewhere else to go to school to make politicians and judges feel like they are accomplishing something. Public schools would have become more uniform without this ridiculous exercise in forced integration.

[UniteFightBack]

65. I can't tell you how disgusted I am by this. It seems like the a lot of the same people who really

like to post these types of threads. I mean save the hits for shit that REALLY REALLY MATTERS. And not much else matters about beating rump. No matter WHO the candidate is they can't go limping into the general as a bloody pulp.

WHY DON'T THESE PEOPLE GET THAT?? IT'S fucking common sense. I"m so pissed.

[Celerity]

6. one of his spox (Anita Dunn) is on MSNBC saying Biden fought Eastland always, never agreed

with him on anything remotely controversial or race-related.

Guess she never saw this.

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/04/11/biden.eastland.letter.4.pdf



http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/04/11/biden.eastland.letter.3.pdf



http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/04/11/biden.eastland.letter.2.pdf



http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/04/11/biden.eastland.letter.1.pdf

[LovingA2andMI]

7. WOW....

Just WOW....

[G_j]

15. Yikes...

[stonecutter357]

8. desperation !

[Celerity]

9. no, it's called vetting, it's his own words, his own Congressional record, it's absolutely fairplay

[Demit]

10. information.

[4now]

11. I smell desperation

[democratisphere]

16. The desperation just backfired.

Any Democratic candidate signing on to THIS.....( X ).

[LovingA2andMI]

18. They Were His Words...

What exactly is desperate of Senator Booker about responding to them on Juneteenth? If Biden did not want anyone to respond, he would have been better not to say what he clearly said, per NPR, at all.

[4now]

31. "I worked with Strom Thurmond all my life," House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.)

Members of the Congressional Black Caucus were quick to defend Joe Biden after the uproar over comments claiming Biden had worked with segregationists to 'get things done.' Jim Clyburn was quoted as follows:

“I worked with Strom Thurmond all my life,” House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.), the highest-ranking African American in Congress, said of the infamous segregationist senator. “You don’t have to agree with people to work with them.”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287156121
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/19/joe-biden-segregationist-comments-1370844

[LovingA2andMI]

40. Is Clyburn running for POTUS?

No. Also, this is not a Good Look or less known actual word used for a POTUS Candidate. Full Stop.

[Thekaspervote]

56. How many years ago..?? Come on... get real

[LovingA2andMI]

59. So....Then Why....

Did he mention this? Ask Joe as he bought it up.

[UniteFightBack]

66. WHY are you constantly posting divisive hit job threads and posts? It's NOTICEABLE. nt

[Politicub]

14. Warren has forward momentum right now

And I hope it continues. She inspires me each time I hear her speak.

I wish I felt the same way about Biden. He did a great introductory video where he waxed poetic about America. His video hooked me. But now I'm feeling ok-ish about him. That's me being honest and not an attempt to get people to support someone else.

When Harris spoke here in Atlanta I thought she would be unstoppable. I was excited about the possibilities of politics again. Her rise has stalled, though I still eagerly support her and think she could quickly get a lot of people behind her.

Warren may be the leader that emerges as the figure that will unite enough of us and inspire enough Americans to trounce Trump. It could be Biden. I wish he would stop it with the gaffes, though. It's hard to think before you speak. And, in the case of Biden, since he's not doing a lot of speeches, a single sentence can take on a life of its own.

Biden needs to keep filling the funnel with a steady drumbeat of communication as a way to counter the weight of gaffes. He's not doing that. It will take that kind of presence to win, though.

[Blue_true]

67. I am liking Warren more and more also.

She is the only one that both have workable solutions to the problems that we face and has not shot herself in the foot.

[muntrv]

19. Robert Byrd of WV gave Obama his pocket size Constitution.

Byrd also was a segregationist.

[LovingA2andMI]

22. Okay...

And Senator Byrd is dead, but before he passed, Senator Byrd said this about his past:

"Yes, Byrd was a member of the Klan. Even worse, as he wrote in his 2005 book, he formed a chapter of the domestic terrorist organization in the 1940s. Then, Byrd went into politics. Several times during his 57 years in Congress, Byrd’s Klan connection threatened to upend his career. But here is where Byrd is no Duke. He admitted his mistake and atoned for it in public and in policy.

In his memoir, Byrd wrote, “It has emerged throughout my life to haunt and embarrass me and has taught me in a very graphic way what one major mistake can do to one’s life, career, and reputation.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/03/02/at-least-robert-byrd-apologized-whats-your-excuse-david-duke/?utm_term=.929cc7c163b5

Did Senator Eastland ever Apologize? We will give you the answer: HELL NO!

Also, you know what other group or groups of individuals pull out the Senator Byrd card whenever an issue of Race and Democrats are brought up? We'll wait....

[Celerity]

23. Byrd is dead and is not running for President in the America of 2020

[Blue_true]

68. Byrd changed, Eastland and Talmadge never did. nt

[underthematrix]

27. I'm African American and female and I'm sticking with Biden because

he's doing what he needs to do to win overwhelmingly in the general. I have a top five list and Warren is on it as well as others.

BIDEN
BENNET
BULLOCK
WARREN
INSLEE

[LovingA2andMI]

29. Okay...

We support Warren. Thanks for your comment although we have to question if the exact words used by Senator Biden in his fundraiser are comfortable with you.

Just in case you ask, they are not with us.

[underthematrix]

32. His words? Black people, immigrants, Muslims, and LGTBQ folks are being

attacked, killed and their lives destroyed through the policies of the state. Women are being stripped of their equal protection rights. The Rule of Law is hanging by a thread. I just can't get into the weeds over the way Biden said something. Sorry I just can't.

[LovingA2andMI]

41. He Said "Boy"....

Again, there are not too many true African-Americans who are not taken aback by the use of "Boy" in a sentence talking about a Racist former Senator who was clearly a segregationist. Full Stop!

[ecstatic]

46. Are you referring to the line, "He never called me boy, he always called me son."

Is that the line that "true" African Americans should be taken aback by?

[LovingA2andMI]

47. Yes...

Period!

It seems you are not. Unexpected Fruit for different folks we guess.

[ecstatic]

48. Give it a rest. The amount of twisting and ASSuming I'd have to do

to work myself up over that is simply not worth it. Instead of ASSuming the worst, I'm going to look at it logically based on what I've seen from Biden over the past 8 years.

[LovingA2andMI]

50. Excuse me.

ASS...what? You might want to watch your typing tone. FULL STOP.

Next, this is a Forum and we can comment on what we desire. Have an issue? There are 1000 other threads on the forum for you to comment upon as this IS an ISSUE. Period!

Obviously, not with you but no one can see Race behind a comment forum....so...and....uh huh. Yet, plenty can be told by what is written on issues directly relating to race.

Have a Lovely day and .

[ecstatic]

52. LOL!

[LovingA2andMI]

53. LOL!!

See ya. We see you by the way. All the way. Real Clear.

[ecstatic]

54. Whatever. Because I don't share your fake outrage?

Girl, bye! lmao!

[Thekaspervote]

60. +1000

[Thekaspervote]

58. No kidding give it a rest..hanging on every word..where it's placed.. really???

[underthematrix]

62. He said boy BEFORE he ran twice with President Obama so what's your point?

[LovingA2andMI]

63. Ummm...

We VOTED for the TOP of the TICKET. FULL STOP!

[underthematrix]

72. I love love President Obama and my ForeverFLOTUS but

the reality is most voters who don't post on message boards and tweet voted for the TICKET.

Let me add this. I have this background noise feeling that there's a reason we have 24 candidates (20 Democrats and 4 others). Speaker Pelosi is very positive we're going to gain the White House, keep the House and gain the Senate.

And I want to add this as an aside. Three months ago I posted a pic of my NUMBER 1 person to take on #TraitorTRump. It was Rep. Joe Kennedy. A week again #TraitorTrump said he was going to run his family as the new Kennedys.

I say no more.

[ooky]

55. Exactly. He was speaking to general election potential crossover voters who might like

that he would try to work across the aisle. We need to be careful not to beat up our general election candidate during the primaries, whoever that may be. We don't want another 4 years of this shitshow. I'm not locked in to anybody yet either. I will eventually support the candidate I think is best to deliver the swing states, and Biden could very well be that candidate.

[Thekaspervote]

57. Great list and order

[LanternWaste]

28. I dig how many who endorsed the phrase "plantation mentality of SC democrats"

and "Clinton won the confederacy!!!" and threw John Lewis under the bus when he didn't suit the agenda of their sacred cow anymore are finally (allegedly) becoming more open to better outreach of minorities.

[Tarheel_Dem]

33. THIS!

[Bhkylib]

39. Most of the GOP is segregationist and racist...TODAY!!

90% of the Senate GOP caucus is racist, homophobic, and segregationist and we have to work with them anyway. I don't see what the difference is. Just cause they don't go out and scream it at the rooftops doesn't mean they're any less racist than Eastland.

[LovingA2andMI]

42. You might want to Re-Read what you wrote....

Three times over.

[TrunKated]

49. you know...

Talking about civility with the GOP could help in the General.

It makes it a little easier for conservatives of all parties to stomach a Democrat.

Anyway, I am now 100% for Biden in the primary.

I'm done considering anyone else.

[LovingA2andMI]

51. Okay...

We're 100% behind Warren. Thank you for your comment.

[Thekaspervote]

61. +1000

[UniteFightBack]

64. Consider yourself one of the Dem's blasting Biden. REALLY FUCKING STUPID TO EAT OUR OWN.

DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND?????????????? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF THE SITUATION?

ALL YOUR PROGRESSIVE POLICIES DON'T MEAN SHIT UNLESS WE WIN. Bailed on Bernie did you huh!

You go ahead and keep tearing down Democrats I'LL HAVE NO PART OF IT. Gets me FUCKING SICK AND PISSED.

[Gothmog]

73. According to Symone Sanders, Biden did not praise a segregationist

Link to tweet

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