Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBlack Lawmakers Have Joe Biden's Back Following Segregationist Comments
Members of the Congressional Black Caucus were quick to defend Joe Biden after the uproar over comments claiming Biden had worked with segregationists to 'get things done.' Jim Clyburn was quoted as follows:
I worked with Strom Thurmond all my life, House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.), the highest-ranking African American in Congress, said of the infamous segregationist senator. You dont have to agree with people to work with them.
It appears that a number of CBC members would refute the idea that Biden is the 'most tone deaf politician in American history.'
Which btw would be Donald Trump.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/19/joe-biden-segregationist-comments-1370844
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)I expect him to beat that drum in his portion of the debate. He needs headlines, and he needs them quickly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...him even as Mayor.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)In case anybody missed the story, here it is:
https://ijr.com/bill-de-blasio-biden-segregationists-senate/
One thing that Trump and de Blasio have in common is that they're both NYC attack dogs. They're not Amy Klobuchar's "Minnesota Nice" or Cory Booker's "Love and Unity" or Beto O'Rourke's self-effacement apology tour.
Since de Blasio got some headlines out of his comments, I expect him to go back to that well again and again. There's a fight for the African-American vote, and Joe has most of it at this point. I lived outside of NYC, but within it's media market, and I never even heard of de Blasio when he was running for mayor, until he ran commercials showing his son with a 70's-style Afro saying "If I could vote, I'd vote for Bill de Blasio, even if he wasn't my Dad," while cutting away to a shot of the son and father.
Bill de Blasio's used his family before for election to higher office, I don't doubt he'd do it again.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JI7
(89,246 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
elleng
(130,861 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)I was glad to see the immediate support.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,982 posts)Am also a little tired of all the attacks on Joe, no matter what he says.
These are Trump tactics and Democrats need to quit dividing.
When James Clynurn stands up fo Joe you know he is right. People who disagree work together all the time to accomplish things. Look at Tip ONeil and Reagan. We need more of that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Neither are African-Americans. One can always find some that agree and many, many more that disagree.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,123 posts)Biden's Back. And, they know what it's like to find it necessary to work with someone you don't agree with.
I disagree with the overwhelming items that have come out of the mouth of Donald J. Trump. But we managed to work together with his administration to enact historic criminal justice reform, Jeffries said.
I think we here in the House Democratic Caucus have ourselves taken the position that sometimes you have to work with the opposition to the extent theyre in power without compromising your values if you can get things done.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)and they get what this is all about. I still love and respect all the other Democratic candidates. I think most are amazing and courageous and smart.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Great gobs of gooseshit 'progressives' rival Republicans when it comes to poutrage. Lies, distractions, exaggerations, anything to gain a foothold.
This is the part where they tell African-Americans and lawmakers how they should feel about Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)Of all senators to pick to demonstrate your commitment to civility, Biden picked the one who was excoriating the idea of racial equality in the midst of multiple political murders of black activists in his own state.
Mr. Clyburn is wrong to defend the statement. Even if we wanted to draw from the book of cliches and say, while we abhor the Senator Eastland's legacy of racism, we are ready to move forward to a unified America, etc etc, this would be an improvement over the cringe worthy remarks. You can like the candidate and encourage more political savviness in how the same point is made.
I wonder how many of us even know what a virulent opponent to black humanity Eastland was. Clyburn obviously does, but from his leadership position, he has reason to act as a surrogate. So be it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)It's a ridiculous proposition to think examples of Democrats working with Republicans - no matter how racist the Republican might have been - should never be spoken of, especially framed in the way Biden did it: People on complete opposite ends of issue can still do the people's work and pass legislation together.
FDR worked with southern racists to get votes for the New Deal.
Patty Murray and Lamar Alexander worked to get Every Student Succeeds Act passed.
Tip O'Neill worked with Ronald Reagan extensively.
History is full of examples of this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)It's another thing to use Senator James Eastland and his racist legacy as your example of choice.
And I wouldn't highly recommend Tip O'Neill's work with Ronald Reagan on tax cuts as an example of bipartisanship either - how did that work out?
Lamar Alexander would be a better example. And if I were handling Biden's communication, I would suggest that some greater intentionality in his examples would help his campaign in the longer run.
It was a gaffe - nothing more, nothing less. Digging heels in helps no one.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tarheel_Dem
(31,232 posts)faux scandals, this one won't work either. Having been in government for as long as Joe Biden, the black community knows who he is, and most of all, we know where his heart is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)Personally, I am more concerned about policies and staging a winning campaign than where his heart is, if that could even be determined.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,123 posts)right now he's ahead in South Carolina.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,232 posts)Personally, I don't much care what you're "concerned about".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)Although if you're a Democrat and not concerned about winning, that would be odd.
Charge on.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
renate
(13,776 posts)For one thing, there's a good chance he'll be the nominee.
For another, his eight years at Obama's side would make him a damn good president, making the things he's done or said in the past as a senator less germane. (Admittedly, Strom Thurmond is maybe not the best example for him to bring up in this case. He does have a gaffe problem. But it's not helpful to expect perfection from anybody, let alone anybody whose opposite number is Donald Trump.)
I'm sick of the ugliness of politics and I'm sure I wouldn't be alone in being drawn to a party whose members are all part of a team. I love the way that Democrats don't just fall in line like Republicans do, but we literally have to win the next election if we're going to survive as a country; the infighting can start anew once we have a functioning government again.
I'm glad the CBC members dealt with this quickly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,123 posts)Thank You, Black lawmakers! .. We got your back, too!
Mahalo, Peggysue!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)move those on the other side of the aisle to get things done.. If you can't move them to get it done.. then you have to work to get them voted out.. with a smile on your face.. Biden is very good at this.. What makes it different now is the internet.. 30 people get together and actually think they represent the rest of the country.. and 2010 redistricting.. God save me all those better than thou types..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Showing kindness is a good thing. But, politics being what it is, I'm going to trust my own judgement.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ecstatic
(32,681 posts)Biden isn't a racist. His full comment was edited down to hide the context of what he was saying. I'm getting the feeling that other campaigns are desperately trying to move black voters away from him. These tactics might work on millennial voters, but it's not going to move the more cynical genx+ voters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)runner. We can expect them to use liberal forums, blogs, comment sections of online news journals, all forms of social media to do this. And YouTube.
It is important to do what you did, Ecstatic, to get the full comment.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,123 posts)and all the Black lawmakers who have Biden's back
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LibFarmer
(772 posts)It was propagated via Charlie Pierce who should retire.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,123 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)for Joe Biden. But look at those comments in her thread! Very nasty.
This is going to be a lo-o-ong primary.
I was glad to see the CBC quickly come to Biden's defense. The pushback is important.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,123 posts)the CBC having Biden's Back!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)about Bidens first campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,123 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)That's (almost) all I have to say at the moment.
Any Democratic candidate is light years ahead of the Orange/Apricot shitwit, and I will support that Democratic candidate who wins the nomination.
All: don't you find it incredible that on the day that Hope Hicks and the White House totally stonewalled the US House of Reps, that this "story" about Biden somehow is the top story. Do you really think it's that important in relation to all the disasters around us?
Before bashing ANY Democratic candidate, please considered whether you/we/all of us are getting played. 2020 is not that far away. While we all have our favorites, there is a greater goal, and we all know the manipulation confronting this election. Please, please, please consider this.
Peace and love,
DonaldsRump
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)I detest separating our party along color lines.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,123 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)And as Cha mentioned: they're a caucus.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
quickesst
(6,280 posts)....not only are you anti-Biden, you are anti-Clyburn. Can't have it both ways. Some people have been wanting Dems to fight fire with fire. Seems some have taken to it like ducks to water. I really don't understand why they think people will believe this crapola, but sadder still that some people do.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,107 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,107 posts)This is very nice to see https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/20/why-joe-biden-is-so-defensive-over-his-remarks-about-segregationists/?utm_term=.ab8bb7949ad8
I think the sentiment is something that we all know in the legislative body that you work with people you dont agree with, Rep. Cedric L. Richmond (D-La.), a co-chairman of Bidens campaign, said.
The Clyburn comment in particular is helpful to Biden. If theres one friend in Congress you want to make as a Democratic presidential candidate, its probably Clyburn. He rules South Carolina Democratic politics, and South Carolina is the first early voting state with a majority black Democratic primary voters. Biden and his opponents will be campaigning in South Carolina this weekend at Clyburns famous fish fry.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden