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Kamala Harris on Biden: "To coddle the reputations of segregationists...is misinformed and wrong." (Original Post) melman Jun 2019 OP
Not going to work! Peacetrain Jun 2019 #1
BAM!!!! Wellstone ruled Jun 2019 #2
Well said. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #3
It's probably not what Biden meant. gtar100 Jun 2019 #4
There's a reason Obama was the President and Biden wasn't marylandblue Jun 2019 #10
It can be difficult to entertain the specific difference between 'coddle' and 'observe' LanternWaste Jun 2019 #15
Another year of this, Hyde, etc., and some folks are going to start questioning Hoyt Jun 2019 #5
This go no traction so it won't happen...he is way more electable than any of the others...this is Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #28
We would still love to hear some positivity from you. Can you tell us more about Senator Harris? emulatorloo Jun 2019 #6
Why do you object to this story being discussed? melman Jun 2019 #12
Biden was/is not "misinformed", he knew them, he was fully informed 4139 Jun 2019 #7
You are one busy anti-Biden bee. NT emmaverybo Jun 2019 #8
There's nothing like Butterflylady Jun 2019 #9
What if Trent Lott had been a Democrat? loyalsister Jun 2019 #11
Elizabeth Warren was a Republican and probably voted for some, we would view as unacceptable. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #29
Thoughtful and measured comments by Kamala Harris. Demit Jun 2019 #13
Please, God. TomSlick Jun 2019 #14
Maybe, just maybe, it is Mr Biden who Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #18
Anytime when Democrats are sniping at each other is good for Trump. TomSlick Jun 2019 #19
+1 and then some. oasis Jun 2019 #20
I guess it is everyone but Biden's fault that this is an issue, right? Politicub Jun 2019 #24
I didn't see it as coddling. ooky Jun 2019 #16
It is more fucked up than that. Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #17
Whether someone thought bussing was a bad idea or not loyalsister Jun 2019 #25
Willfully ignorant and disingenuous Sugarcoated Jun 2019 #21
Coddling The Reputation of Segregationists JGug1 Jun 2019 #22
She nails it -- part of what makes people so wound up about the latest Politicub Jun 2019 #23
Nope...those who support other candidates and the candidates are trying and failing to get traction Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #31
African American South Carolinians weigh in on Biden's comments stonecutter357 Jun 2019 #26
According to Symone Sanders, Biden did not praise a segregationist Gothmog Jun 2019 #27
Well, it is a good thing you don't want the VP slot because you won't get it now...too bad. I had Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #30
 

Peacetrain

(22,876 posts)
1. Not going to work!
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 06:23 PM
Jun 2019

But got to give you credit you keep trying

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gtar100

(4,192 posts)
4. It's probably not what Biden meant.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 06:33 PM
Jun 2019

It just sounded that way.

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marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
10. There's a reason Obama was the President and Biden wasn't
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 06:50 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
15. It can be difficult to entertain the specific difference between 'coddle' and 'observe'
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:07 AM
Jun 2019

Despite being basic English, they just sound alike.

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
5. Another year of this, Hyde, etc., and some folks are going to start questioning
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 06:37 PM
Jun 2019

Biden’s electability. Maybe I should say “More folks.”

Hope he hits a different note soon.

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Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
28. This go no traction so it won't happen...he is way more electable than any of the others...this is
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 12:43 PM
Jun 2019

just a ploy that helps Trump...sad day if Trump wins again.

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emulatorloo

(44,124 posts)
6. We would still love to hear some positivity from you. Can you tell us more about Senator Harris?
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 06:40 PM
Jun 2019

Harris is terrific. Can you tell us about any of our candidates that you like?

I am also sure there are several GREAT candidates you are looking at supporting. Please tell us about them!

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melman

(7,681 posts)
12. Why do you object to this story being discussed?
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:09 PM
Jun 2019

Sen. Harris made a statement. ABC News reported on it. So why do you object to this being posted?

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4139

(1,893 posts)
7. Biden was/is not "misinformed", he knew them, he was fully informed
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 06:42 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
8. You are one busy anti-Biden bee. NT
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 06:47 PM
Jun 2019
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Butterflylady

(3,543 posts)
9. There's nothing like
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 06:49 PM
Jun 2019

Jumping on the bandwagon when you think it might help!

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loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
11. What if Trent Lott had been a Democrat?
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:05 PM
Jun 2019

I think we're finding out.
Dismissing the casual racism expressed in defending elders who tell the jokes and looked past their friends virulent attitudes based on a few good acts protects the white supremacy that is so solidly supported by all of our government institutions.

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Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
29. Elizabeth Warren was a Republican and probably voted for some, we would view as unacceptable.
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 12:45 PM
Jun 2019

Perhaps we should examine this.

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Demit

(11,238 posts)
13. Thoughtful and measured comments by Kamala Harris.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:11 PM
Jun 2019

What she said about the segregationists, in what the ellipses are standing in for: "...people who, if they had their way, I would literally not be standing here as a member of the United States Senate" is very powerful, even more so in the matter-of-fact way she says it.

She's so right in calling Biden's remarks wrong.

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TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
14. Please, God.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 08:59 PM
Jun 2019

How are so many intelligent people saying profoundly stupid stuff?

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Voltaire2

(13,033 posts)
18. Maybe, just maybe, it is Mr Biden who
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:37 AM
Jun 2019

once again has said things profoundly tone deaf.

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TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
19. Anytime when Democrats are sniping at each other is good for Trump.
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 11:39 PM
Jun 2019

Trump is an existential threat to the Republic. We cannot afford to be taking shots at each other.

If any Democratic candidate thought Biden was tone deaf, s/he should have picked up the telephone and suggested that he "clarify" his statement. Instead, candidates are forming a circular firing squad trying to gain points in the polls.

Democrats seem intent on accepting long term damage to the Republic in exchange of sort term political gain.

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oasis

(49,387 posts)
20. +1 and then some.
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 12:48 AM
Jun 2019
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Politicub

(12,165 posts)
24. I guess it is everyone but Biden's fault that this is an issue, right?
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 11:03 AM
Jun 2019

He made the remark. It grew legs for legitimate reasons. And now we find ourselves here. He is culpable for saying it.

It was a stupid thing to say. Of all of the people he has worked with, he had to choose those two to highlight -- segregationist democrats. From that perspective it doesn't make any sense. He's basically saying he got along with the worst elements of his party. Yes, I know the parties have changed since then. But it's a stupid example of bipartisanship since it was, well, partisanship.

When I reread the remarks before and after Eastland's name was mentioned, it seems even worse. I fucking hate that he did this. In a single swipe he reminded people of when segregationists referred to black men as "boy" to demean them. But, they called Biden "son", you see. They did that because Biden. is. White.; they weren't being civil.

Ugh. I want to bang my head against the wall.

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ooky

(8,923 posts)
16. I didn't see it as coddling.
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:25 AM
Jun 2019

I heard him making a point that he could work across the aisle with anybody whether he liked them or not, and that he was speaking to potential cross over voters in the general election and those democrats who think that is important, particularly in Michigan, Wisconsin, PA and other battleground states.

He could have left out the part about "boy". That was where he fucked up his statement. If he leaves that out then there isn't anything to call him out for.

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Voltaire2

(13,033 posts)
17. It is more fucked up than that.
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:35 AM
Jun 2019

He was working with Eastland on banning in-district desegregation busing, the single most effective tool we had for urban school desegregation.

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loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
25. Whether someone thought bussing was a bad idea or not
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 12:22 PM
Jun 2019

The white hysteria that came with it was born out of hate. I remember a family that moved their teen aged daughter into the KC suburb where I lived to avoid bussing. She spent her teen years with an elderly aunt and uncle.

I remember the conversation her parents had with mine during a cookout. It made me want to run away because even as a child it nagged my sense of justice.

When the topic of busing comes up, I always remember that disgusting couple and can't help but feel a little nauseated by a candidate who took their side.

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Sugarcoated

(7,724 posts)
21. Willfully ignorant and disingenuous
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 01:34 AM
Jun 2019

Lost some respect for her

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JGug1

(320 posts)
22. Coddling The Reputation of Segregationists
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 10:36 AM
Jun 2019

You just dropped a couple of points for me, Kamala. I read what Biden said and he did nothing of the kind. You are twisting what he said and it wears poorly on you. Anyone elected who would NOT work for a common goal with another elected official is a fool and a danger to the nation.

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Politicub

(12,165 posts)
23. She nails it -- part of what makes people so wound up about the latest
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 10:43 AM
Jun 2019

gaffe is how it puts dems in a tough position to talk about the reputations of segregationists. While Biden's position is nuanced, and I don't believe he's a racist, it doesn't sound good on the surface, and it gets worse when you learn about the two segregationists' histories.

Biden started this mess with his ill-advised remarks, and now we're all living through it.

I like how Harris brings it back around to how bipartisanship is something important to her, but Biden's example is a bridge too far.

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Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
31. Nope...those who support other candidates and the candidates are trying and failing to get traction
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 12:48 PM
Jun 2019

on this. It is not working according to television reports...backfired as I expected.

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stonecutter357

(12,697 posts)
26. African American South Carolinians weigh in on Biden's comments
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 12:26 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Gothmog

(145,242 posts)
27. According to Symone Sanders, Biden did not praise a segregationist
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 12:40 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
30. Well, it is a good thing you don't want the VP slot because you won't get it now...too bad. I had
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 12:46 PM
Jun 2019

hoped you might and if you did well Ms. Harris would be a viable candidate in 2024 or 2028.

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