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[Laura PourMeADrink]

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[elleng]

1. YES, 'they' LOVE it.

[mcar]

2. +1000!

I appreciate OPs that note what a preferred candidate is doing or stands for. Seems some can only run other Democrats down.

[Skittles]

3. sorry, I'll call it as I see it

I'm not a republican, 100% behind someone

[More_Cowbell]

5. ++++++++++++++

We don't have to be in lockstep.

[Skittles]

7. I have another name for it but

I am avoiding a hide

[OhZone]

4. Agreed but it just made me back Biden more -

it's nitpicky and desperate.

Go Biden!

[Thekaspervote]

6. Nitpicky and desperate indeed!

[Cha]

28. Yeah, me too. Because I'm

considering the sources. Been jumping on the 'let's take out Biden" wagon the whole time.

[JoeOtterbein]

8. Fear is never a good strategy. Joe needs to sharpen his game.

And thanks for commiting to vote for Bernie if he wins.

We will need every vote regardless of who wins.

[saidsimplesimon]

12. Fear is word for our opposition.

Why waste my time of that fat, ugly, ignorant and putin suck ass? (Don't hate me please. A healthy diet..)

[JoeOtterbein]

14. Uh? nt

[saidsimplesimon]

15. Hate is not healthy. Action

[JoeOtterbein]

18. Who here said anything about "hate"? nt

[saidsimplesimon]

19. Projection on my part,

I detest the stain occupying our WH.

[saidsimplesimon]

9. Laura, no one published on this site

is bashing Dems. Your plea suggests we have a weak candidate unable to win on their own merits. This is not a position of strength in upcoming elections. imo

[Skittles]

13. CORRECT

I would defend a candidate but I would never suggest they cannot receive any criticism....WTF

[Laura PourMeADrink]

21. What?

[Skittles]

22. yes, you can criticize my favored candiate

I may argue with you but I won't tell you if you're against him you're helping Trump - that's just nonsense

[Politicub]

10. The news is happening outside of DU. We have no influence on what newspapers print

or what networks decide to air. And I could give two shits about what’s on Drudge.

Here’s the reality: Biden and his gaffe are in the news. It is natural that we would talk about it. And, yes, some people will have strong opinions about it.

What would you suggest we do instead? I’m really curious.

Because if a discussion board cannot have discourse that accommodates a spectrum of democratic views, no one will want to participate. We are commenting on what’s in the news. Would you have us not talk about it? Or, when we do speak of Biden, should there be a requirement that we don’t acknowledge what is happening around us?

If we don’t talk about current events and our reaction to them, what’s the point?

If Biden does something great or a poll comes out that favors him, I acknowledge it. I celebrate it because I know it makes his supporters feel great. And sometimes I have strong opinions about what’s in the news. IMHO, Biden needs to make some positive news or just different news to drown out or at least sand down the edges of the negative. He nor his people are active on social channels in a way that’s effective and that gives him presence. While viral moments are difficult to predict or manufacture, he needs to stay active. Something will stick. Warren and Buttigieg are two candidates who are killing it on social media. I hope he learns from them.

Besides, DU has fantastic guidelines and rules that have evolved over years. They are guardrails and they spell out what is not allowed. The system is working.

On edit: judging by upthread posts, discussions and criticism are causing some supporters to cleave more strongly to Biden. That’s great! That’s what democracy and free expression are all about.

[JoeOtterbein]

16. Wow! Your reply is awesome!

Thanks so much for so much!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

25. What?? You don't care about the Drudge headline??

You realize they surpass NYT in hits ?..

[qazplm135]

26. That's

What you took from that comment?!
SMDH.

[PatrickforO]

33. Good post.

We don't 'do' ad hominem, but we sure need to be able to argue policies. I am supporting Warren and Buttigieg now, both for what I think are good reasons, but neither of them are (or should be) immune from criticism of their past actions, votes or legislation.

Sure, if Biden wins, I will definitely, without equivocation, support him tooth and nail. But we'll see how the primaries go, see who emerges as the leader. See who finally becomes our nominee. Then we have to put them in the White House.

[sop]

11. The problem with "bashing dems" is when it morphs into "I can't vote for him/her because..."

[Politicub]

17. The problem with the "I won't vote for XYZ" posts is that they add nothing to

the conversation. I think I must be tuning them out since I don’t notice them as much as I used to.

[BannonsLiver]

20. I think Biden is a victim of his own success to a degree

He has been successful in politics for decades and has a record stretching back decades. No one else in the race outside Bernie has that.

So what happens to him is that a lot of his past positions, statements and ideas from those earlier times which might have been considered reasonable then end up being juxtaposed against the current culture and those things sometimes don’t align.

I would expect this dynamic to continue as his opponents continue to dig into his record. The question is can he weather it. I happen to think he can and probably will.

[Indygram]

23. If he can't refrain from sticking his foot in his mouth

Then better we find out now than later.

[LibFarmer]

24. There should be callsfor Sanders to fire Sirota nt

[blueinredohio]

27. There are good things about every candidate, that's why I'm undecided.

[certainot]

29. that's just standard shit the lat 30 years plus amped up with social media piggybacking rw radio

democrats need to stop ignoring RW radio. drudge was created to feed 1500 radio stations. then the russians took over breitbart to move in on mic's drudge. those radio stations are still the main trump tool/advantage/weapon - that's what the kremlin soc media trolling has been piggybacking

if you really want to get your candidate's back don't let your local rw radio station lie about her/him all day to thousands of people in your community! and for pete's sake don't let your state university broadcast sports on it.

[MadDAsHell]

30. I don't vote for people who are friends with racists. nt

[LakeArenal]

31. I feel the trashing works for Joe. The more crap I hear, the more I believe...

Joe remains the most qualified and well-thought-of candidate both nationally and globally.

[Skya Rhen]

32. I agree and I love that Joe is standing up for himself.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

34. Our society currently has an attitude problem created by social media....

and it's a cancer on us all. Comes primarily from no longer looking our fellow humans square in the eye while communicating....

I've noticed for the last several years, the dialog and demeanor of people I deal with (family, friends, businesses) has slowly become more caustic and smart-ass, like a bunch of teenagers competing for dates. I hope people finally tire of social media and we reverse that trend. I've let several people know that behavior simply is not acceptable.

There's no purpose in being abrasive when commenting on our politicians and their statements - it only annoys and serves no end. We should simply state our objections in a rational way and leave it at that. Reading a string of posts on DU should not leave me a nervous wreck, but some have recently.

If we try to be more like old-fashioned ladies and gentlemen, the right-wing trolls will get bored and leave....

[Buzz cook]

35. So we should trust Matt (Egg Boy) Drudge?

Drudge is one of the least trust worthy people in history. He's been a stain on our democracy for decades.

[tishaLA]

36. I know

I find these attacks on Sen Booker unseemly

[SleeplessinSoCal]

38. my concern about Joe is that he hasn't clearly noted the ...

Complete change in the GOP. If he criticizes their behavior and negligence today, they'll only become more disrespectful of the Constitution.

And that isn't going to work out strategically. Does he think wooing them will change their path towards all out fascism?

Is he playing several moves ahead, or is he hoping for a return to an old normal that disappeared in '92?

[Scurrilous]

39. K&R