I just switched to undecided.

[Doreen]

I still like Biden but I have found myself starting to gravitate to Warren. We still have some months to go so I am more than likely not at my final choice. Anybody who can ( in my opinion ) negatively effect a crappy organizations stocks by just saying one sentence is pretty damn good.

[trev]

1. I just did the same thing.

Also leaning towards Warren.

[AlexSFCA]

2. I am leaning towards Warren too

If BS drops out, she will win the nomination.

[Doreen]

5. I wish BS would drop out.

I think that is a pipe dream however.

[DemKittyNC]

20. I agree

I wish this also.

[Kind of Blue]

3. Me, too. I'm just drawn to her.

Yes, miles to go before we...

[padfun]

4. I'm still on Biden but could go Warren easily

I like all of the top 5 and they are all close for me. So I can change at a moments notice.

[Doreen]

7. Exactly how I feel.

The top 5 all have issues they are stronger than other issues on but I still like them all. decisions decisions.

[Ilsa]

6. I get it.

I'm still undecided, even though I like Biden and others.

I see this recent thing as a generational one. Biden's age-peers wouldn't have thought much about his choice of words. But now, our choice of words is more important on the campaign trail. Precision is more important. Understanding that people will no longer allow certain words to be perpetuated is important. If Biden doesn't get that, then maybe his generational thinking is outmoded and he needs to step back, or we need to make certain he isn't the nominee.

I don't know if my own comments on that are as clear as they should be.

[Doreen]

8. Don't worry, your comments are clear.

I understand where you come from.

[Kind of Blue]

9. Crystal clear.

[tishaLA]

10. I saw an interesting graph on twitter today

.....OK, a chain of tweets about top fie and bottom five choices for Democratic voters.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to study: https://www.dataforprogress.org/memos/voters-see-an-open-field

[PETRUS]

19. Thanks for the link.

Very interesting. I'm still reading the findings.

[Auggie]

11. I like Warren, but I think the repukes and Russia are going to label her "SOCIALIST"

and scare the crap out of middle America.

It's not the people that vote for Trump I worry about. It's the people who wouldn't vote for Warren -- out of protest, belligerence, ignorance, or apathy.

How are Warren's numbers in Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin and Florida these days? Prove me wrong, please.

[FailureToCommunicate]

13. I agree. Warren is great, may do well in primaries, but would not win in November.

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And I predict this despite her recent surge in polls. Her campaigns here in Massachusetts have formed my strong worry about her success in the general election. Great Senator. Great person. Just not up to national campaign success, IMO.

[marylandblue]

17. Other than her being "too progressive" what makes you think she can't win?

[FailureToCommunicate]

41. Her campaign strategy and demeanor is not up to her clear stands on issues. All

policy and weak on follow thru with troubles in the media realm. Selfies with every single voter just won't be enough in a national
contest.

Yes, we chose her here in Massachusetts, but it was an easy choice over her opponent. Nationally the opposition, with the media's complicit help, will leave Warren in the dust.

I like that she's doing well, and I'll support her is she is the eventual nominee. But from my experience working with her on the campaigns here, I am worried for her ultimate success to cross the finish line first.

[Saviolo]

14. They are going to label everyone "Socialist."

Pence has already called Biden "socialist."

“But increasingly, whether it be Joe Biden, whether it be Bernie Sanders, whether it be Elizabeth Warren and others in their party, they’re advocating a socialist agenda of more government, higher taxes and the same tired policies that created the malaise of the last administration where you saw less than 2 percent economic growth,” Pence said.

Source.

Doesn't matter who it is, that's their go-to insult. I mean Mitch McConnell is just tossing it around as much as he can:

“They plan to make the District of Columbia a state — that’d give them two new Democratic senators — Puerto Rico a state, that would give them two more new Democratic senators,” McConnell complained. “And as a former Supreme Court clerk yourself, you’ve surely noticed that they plan to expand the Supreme Court. So this is full-bore socialism on the march in the House. And yeah, as long as I’m the majority leader of the Senate, none of that stuff is going anywhere.”

Source.

[Auggie]

15. It's a label easier stuck on Warren than Biden IMO

[TCJ70]

21. Not when they don't care about definitions or facts...

...all they have to do is repeat it over and over. Every single one of our candidates will get this label, so it doesn’t matter.

[Auggie]

31. That's a blanket statement I do not agree with.

Warren and Biden are very different.

Don't get me wrong -- I'd love for Warren to ride into D.C on a wave progressive populism. But I know my cousin in Ohio would never vote for her. He might, though, go with Biden. Damn the labels.

[pnwmom]

36. It doesn't matter how different they are IN REALITY. The R's will smear them all

with the socialist label. Just watch. It's already happened to Biden, and will keep happening if he's the nominee.

[Bettie]

33. Yes, they will and they will get called

"The most liberal Senator" (Or most liberal mayor/rep/other, but the top four are all Senators at this point)

[marylandblue]

18. I'm very firmly convinced that victory doesn't lie in preventing attacks, but

in making successful counterattacks. Bill Clinton's closet was full of skeletons and everyone knew it. But he had a "war room" whose sole purpose was to kill negative stories before they started. So we didn't hear much about those stories and they didn't matter. Also Hillary played the devoted political wife and partner before everyone hated her for being a devoted political wife and partner.

Obama was attacked, plus he was, you know, the wrong color... So he countered with eloquent speech and good storytelling. He was cool, calm and rational at all times, the opposite of all dangerous stereotypes.

So Warren seems to have this now. She let the Pocahontas thing get under her skin. Now she got her own style.

She's not a socialist, she's telling the truth about modern capitalism. Of course they will call her a socialist but she will say that she is the only real capitalist in the room, because real capitalists don't sit on bags of money letting them multiply by themselves like rabbits. That's called passive income and it has zero social value. Real capitalists make real things, and if you aren't going to make those things, we'll take your passive income away and give it to someone who will.

As long as Warren sticks to a message like that, she can win. Because we all already know it's true, even those blue collar workers in Ohio, because they really aren't that dumb. They are just waiting for a politician to level with them.

My opinion.

[sop]

32. I think Warren can work the "I was once a free market, laissez faire registered Republican

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capitalist before I came to the light and realized how they were screwing us working class Americans" angle. Rightwingers love these Road to Damascus conversions.

[BeyondGeography]

38. I think that's her X factor quite frankly

She’s a progressive capitalist, has always thought about how to make a market-driven economy better. She’s also very straightforward, which could be the Okie roots moreso than the Republican side, but either way I think she’ll acquit herself quite well when it comes to the red baiting.

[TreasonousBastard]

43. Right on all points. No matter how much we whine about Russians or hacked voting machines...

the simple fact is that elections have often been criminal operations since the beginning of the nation.

We have secret ballots because there were times and places where you walked to the poll with your ballot exposed so you wouldn't be beaten and given the "correct" ballot.

Many of us remember the voting machines in the Chicago River, but what we don't often remember is that Nixon was dissuaded from making a case over that because even worse things Republicans in southern Illinois were doing would be exposed. Ballot boxes lost or destroyed, people just flat-out prevented from voting...

Every election since Washington's first one has had candidates pilloried by the press and the competition. Lies and insults were the norm, not the exception. And anyone thinks the press is bad now? NYC had over 300 dailies and weeklies, each serving a specific group, with Pulitzer and Hearst rising above them in a death match and competing drumbeats for war.

We should assume and expect that the other side will pull out its biggest bombs and guns and use every technology to destroy our side. Nixon's aim was not to just win, but to destroy-- and that hasn't changed.

This is what anyone nominated is walking into. Beating it can be done, as we have had some good presidents in the past. I would bet that Warren has a handle on it. Harris, Pete, and Klobuchar, too. I'm not all that sure about the rest of the front runners.

[pnwmom]

27. They try to label all Democrats as socialist. They will try that with Biden, too,

if he's the nominee.

But both he and Warren, and all the D's except one, identify themselves as capitalists.

[Doreen]

30. That is exactly what I thought.

The repukes will try to paint all Democrats as Socialists.

[pnwmom]

35. Because, in their view, Medicare, Medicaid, the ACA, Social Security, and even free public education

are all socialist programs.

[mtnsnake]

45. I agree that would be a problem for her in a general election, which would be very unfortunate

for everyone

[SouthernProgressive]

12. Warren is currently my top.

Biden is second. There are a number holding the third spot. We have a great field.

[Goodheart]

24. This field is SO DAMN IMPRESSIVE.

I would not be unhappy with any of them. But I'm leaning Warren now.

[yaesu]

16. its way too early for me to decide, maybe by early next year. nt

[marlakay]

22. I like Pete but starting to lean

Her way too, she seems to be motivating a lot of people lately.

[Goodheart]

23. I'm leaning Warren, too!

[DesertRat]

25. I really like Warren too.

She has a realistic plan for everything! And I agree, it's too early to have a "final choice".

[CTyankee]

26. Me, too. This is my 3rd choice.

I started out with Harris, switched to Warren and now am Undecided. Not that I don't like either Warren or Harris, it's just so damn hard to choose.

Is anybody else wrestling with this quandary?

[DesertRat]

28. I feel that way too

DU asked us who we would vote for in a presidential primary Today. We have so many excellent candidates, we don't have to be locked into one right now.

[CTyankee]

40. So "today" I am torn between competing candidates, all of whom I admire.

[DesertRat]

47. Same

[Doreen]

29. My feeling for now is

Biden and Warren on equal ground then Buttigieg then Harris. At this time.

[GreenPartyVoter]

49. Yep! I have a list of preferred candidates which Warren tops,

but I am not declaring this early.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

34. Who is this Undecided that I keep hearing about?

What experience does Undecided bring to the table?

Also, if everybody keeps leaning toward Sen. Warren, she's gonna get suffocated. Have a heart, people!

[Karadeniz]

37. I've been a Warren fan for years. Backing Biden was politically motivated. That said, Bid can

is being unfairly attacked IMO. You can't be in politics as long as he's been and not fall short a few times. He's not a big changer, usually keeping his finger on the general pulse. Well, now the general pulse is beating a bit more progressive. Joe's capable of leading into new territory. It was Joe, not Obama, who first advocated for marriage equality. I think Joe has the potential to generate more trust and voters. We've been through a hellish 2.5 years. Meanness. Stupidity. Mafia mentality. Overt abuse of power and rule of law. I can well sympathize with all the voters who are attracted to someone whose very political longevity connotes security. Our reputation has been trashed. Joe represents traditional values with our allies. Any of our candidates would be an improvement over what we have. A lot of voters decided to take a chance last time around. I think those people would now prefer a nominee who isn't an unknown, untested quantity. I adore Warren. Biden may well be what our mentally wounded national psyche needs in this situation.

[blm]

39. I planned to stay undecided till at least a few debates, Warren got me.

I’m a policy nerd. And I am in awe of her energy AND brilliance. Details’R’Us.

[Politicub]

42. Biden is in my top 5. I think he has a lot of support near the top or

at the top of people's lists.

I'm sticking with Harris and am wishing on a star again for a Harris/Warren or Warren/Harris ticket.

[Doreen]

44. I love the idea of two women but

I do not think this country is actually ready for a femal president and vice president at the same time.

[Politicub]

48. Why not?

And, how will we know the country isn’t ready if we don’t try?

[dlk]

46. It's Still Early in the Race

There’s plenty of time to follow the candidates to make the best choice down the road a little further.

[Sunsky]

50. I just switched to Warren

I have always been torn between Warren and Harris, but after watching Warren's tenacity, shrewdness and boldness. She is just who we need to take on Trump. Warren is a fighter and I love her for that. She fights for what she believes is right and not what the polls suggests.

[Ferrets are Cool]

51. +1

[LakeArenal]

52. As I wish to beat Dump, I'll stick with Joe.

[Joediss]

53. Move

Been undecided, put my support behind Warren a few days ago