Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forum'I Don't Have a Racist Bone in My Body'
Many political figures have made this statement.
Joe Biden is just the most recent to say it:
"Theres not a racist bone in my body. Ive been involved in civil rights my whole career, period, period, period.
I bet every public figure that has said "there's not a racist bone in my body believes it too. If you hooked them up to a lie detector they would probably pass as telling the truth.
And they would all be wrong.
Systemic Racism is real. It has not gone away. White politicians that say they don't have a racist bone in their body are wrong because systemic racism has so permeated our society that virtually no non-minority person can truly make that claim.
Especially these politicians. Systemic Racism is real and they are part of the system.
Many people are unaware of to what degree they have been affected by society's systemic racism.
Only the most extreme people openly declare their racism. Everyone else feels that they are not racists. Not racist at all? No, of course not, they are just unaware to what degree and how deeply they have been affected by systemic racism.
Reading the comments below bears this out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
John Fante
(3,479 posts)That's what you're going with? This board.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demit
(11,238 posts)Lke when (white) people say "I don't see color." It's such an unnecessary exaggeration. You can show your unbigoted bona fides without making such a high-flying declaration.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 24, 2019, 10:19 AM - Edit history (1)
to expose my racism whenever he can.
Further, Biden should have acknowledged that although I meant that Eastland called us younger WHITE senators boy or son, context doesnt matter.
He should have vowed that if elected president, he would change John-boys name to plain John.
No joking, he should have added.
SARCASM
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)he could kiss his candidacy goodbye. You don't win elections by calling your potential voters racist. Or deplorables, for that matter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)candidate can possibly respond well to allegations that refuse context, change a word not meant as racist into a racist word in any context, and demand that a candidate fight intentionally divisive battles without digging a bigger hole while they sit like vultures waiting to pounce on the next
verbal misstep.
The very point I was making is that to satisfy these kinds of charged complaints is impossible.
Biden explained his reference to Eastlands use of boy to address WHITE, younger, less experienced senators, and Booker has doubled down.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)have failed to use the sarcasm thingy myself. I now understand your point.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(13,008 posts)demonstrate that pretty much everyone has racist biases.
So perhaps instead of proclaiming oneself 100% racism free, our candidates should instead acknowledge that we all harbor prejudices, and discuss how we can work together to mitigate the systemic effects of those biases.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emulatorloo
(44,113 posts)Bidens not a racist. Warren is not a corporatist tool of the establishment, Both claims are bullshit.
All of our candidates are going to be lied about by the MSM and the twitterverse.. Even your candidate, whoever it turns out to be.
I am not at all interested in amplifying that garbage.
Policy discussion is a good thing. Baseless character smears on twitter is a terrible thing.
My goal is to lift up our candidates and push back on the attempted character assasination of these good women and men.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)of the black protest in South Bend.
The poster relayed what he thought he heard on MSNBC, and then added biased commentary.
His post was, unintentionally, completely debunked by another post running a story from the news,
which included praise for Buttigieg.
I am not a Buttigieg primaries supporter but I registered my outrage.
The poster more easily supported his negative interpretation with a change in tense of Buttigiegs response to a black woman who said he would not get her vote. I dont want to start linguistic parsing wars by getting more specific.
At DU, we must fight back against obvious hit posts. They, like racism, are easy to spot.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emulatorloo
(44,113 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)sniffing the waters for blood, to feast on for the next year and a half.
If Biden seems politically to shoot himself in the foot, to you, I can only say he would be putting a gun to his head with your suggestion.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ariadne0614
(1,727 posts)An enlightened shrink shared this truth with me when I was struggling to dismiss my insignificant problems in contrast to people starving in Africa.
Copping to racism is hard for us bleeding heart liberals. Nevertheless, its a cop out to insist we are innocent. I was born in Wisconsin in 1948. Racist conditioning was baked in the cake of my cultural conditioning. Its a high alert toxin I monitor every day.
Bidens defensiveness is both understandable and unacceptable in a presidential candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)have noticed Bidens racist shadow side or at least that he was tone deaf politically and racially
insensitive.
If he did, it is amazing he handed off so much responsibility to Biden and didnt just keep him busy
attending funerals.
He handed gun control, Iraq, reviving VAWA, and many legislative negotiations to Biden.
Eight years he relied upon and trusted Biden. They are friends to this day.
John Lewis, James Corbyn...
But we can expect more racism detection to come.
Biden leads the field in black voter support.
Where else to undermine Biden. This vote, which is not monolithic, it should be mentioned, is essential to winning the election, so anti-Bidens must go after his black voter favorables to make the case, that, contrary to what polls show and Biden supporters think, Biden is not electable.
It might work.
Unfortunately, a great voice for Democrats and Bidens value as a campaigner for whomever will be the nominee will emerge seriously wounded.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(13,008 posts)racist biases.
Just about everyone has them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emulatorloo
(44,113 posts)by claiming they are racists when they arent isnt a winning strategy. Its not morally right either.
Someone cited John Lewis above. I take his word over yours.
Maybe you should consider self-deleting your post as well.
Thanks in advance!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
blm
(113,042 posts)This post is suspiciously overthetop, IMO.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)The likelihood of someone working for a political campaign and posting here is pretty small. What is much more likely is someone who's voting for the same candidate as you is not the same type of person you are. It happens, that's just human nature.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emulatorloo
(44,113 posts)I dont think anyone here has suggested OP is working for a political campaign. Just that their views dont represent Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)So maybe I just interpreted that part differently.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
blm
(113,042 posts)You are both right. I know Warrens camp wouldnt put this vibe out there, and I am suspicious when someone takes it upon themself to make such a dramatic OP targeting Biden right after posting a series of proWarren articles. Ive witnessed set ups in the past. This may NOT be, but, it has happened a number of times before.
PS: DU has had and does have quite a few members engaged in political campaigns. Most are careful to NOT post overthetop attacks against each other during the primaries.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lochloosa
(16,063 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lochloosa
(16,063 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
unblock
(52,195 posts)being part of a systemically racist system.
Your point is valid, it's impossible to be in American culture for long without having the divisions and contrived distinctions between "black" and "white" etched into your brain. And it's incumbent on us white people to come to terms with that and to reject it and correct for it to the extent possible.
The statement "I don't have a racist bone in my body" is not meant to deny that our culture is racist, or that white oriole benefit from that even if they do nothing knowingly to further it.
It's just meant to deny being a racist, emphatically.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Ain't biting.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,042 posts)and should NOT be promoted in a primaries forum under Elizabeth Warrens banner.
Sorry, but, your post is suspiciously over-divisive for this forum.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)And his inability or unwillingness to promptly fix them keeps them alive for days on end. That's a great recipe to get Trump re-elected. I really wish he had not decided to run. The press is spending more time talking about his missteps than kids being treated like dogs in puppy mills or worse, Trump is accused of rape by a writer, Trump is trying to start a war with Iran and no one is discussing it because of the seemingly endless gaffes. We can do better and we better or else we are going to lose.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emulatorloo
(44,113 posts)but voters arent distracted by this. They care about policies, not gotcha moments
Trust me, Beto will make a mistake and youll read all kinds of things on Twitter that say hes not fit to be President.
Will you be on board with that? And amplify the bullshit articles we will read in the press about how bad?
Or will you recognize that it is bullshit and not important when it comes done to saving our country?
I think you will do the later.
As I said to OP, tearing down Biden as a racist when he isnt wont help Beto win.
Beto is on my short list, please dont associate him with taking out Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Indygram
(2,113 posts)I would not be supporting him.
Beto has been getting attacked on twitter (and in some cases even here) since before he even got into the race.
I'm not trying to "take out" anyone. I'm frustrated because there are BABIES lying on cold concrete wrapped in freaking TINFOIL, sick, spoiled food around them, filthy, disgusting conditions with no soap, in THIS country! And because a candidate will not just ADMIT they made a freaking mistake and say sorry people are arguing about that instead of rallying to defend ABUSED BABIES! I'm pissed. But hey, let's make another 10-15 threads making excuses and bickering while babies die.
/rant off
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emulatorloo
(44,113 posts)So lets stop rewarding the MSM for playing gotcha games with Democratic candidates while Trump destroys our country.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)We need a candidate who can through the distractions a d avoid making new ones.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)Do we REALLY want to go down that road? That is what Republicans do. That's how things continue to get worse and worse...because no one speaks up. We need to be better than that.
The problem is not that Biden messes up with gaffes that is an issue...it's how he deals with them AFTER the fact. He doesn't deal with them well. He is becoming defensive and does NOT listen when people try to help him navigate his way out of the gaffes. That's a real problem.
Unless he starts listening and stops being defensive this will just happen over and over again every week with something new. He's got to get it together because he IS becoming a distraction from things that are important.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emulatorloo
(44,113 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 23, 2019, 04:52 PM - Edit history (1)
and instead lets focus on policy, and on defending all of our candidates from character assasination.
All of our candidates are human. They will make mistakes. Ill argue that there is one of our candidates who is even more gaffe prone than Joe.
While they make mistakes, All of them are good men and women.
We have a monster in the White House. Hes clearly the actual racist here.
The stakes are too high to play gotcha games with good Democrats and pretend they are racists when they arent.
Agreed that Biden needs to be a better candidate. But I will never believe that we should do the dirty work for the GOP against any of our candidates by promoting false smears.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Indygram
(2,113 posts)say that he's sorry that anyone found his words hurtful?
If he could just do that when he screws up it would not turn into what these gaffes keep becoming.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demit
(11,238 posts)He tried to get Biden to understand, even with an example of the time Mrs King admonished himself (Sharpton) by saying you can't say things that hurt people. Sharpton said to Biden "It hurts when you talk about 'boy'. It means something different to us." Biden said he fully understands but that that's not what he said. (Except, of course, it was.) His tone the entire time was unpleasantly insistent. Then he went into the gish gallop thing he does, listing all his accomplishments. The clip is on Sharpton's twitter account, also a discussion of it later with a panel of people where Sharpton was visibly exasperated, saying I tried to give him every opportunity!
Biden could've nipped all this in the bud with a rueful acknowledgment that he spoke clumsily. It even could have been endearing. Instead he reacts defensively, repeating that his intentions are good. He can't seem to see that what he intends isn't always what comes out of his mouth. It's not a strength, and it is sure to happen again.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Like it or not, these things do affect voters. Maybe not right away, but eventually they end up lost in a fog of minutiae, sort.of like we are right now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emulatorloo
(44,113 posts)destroying the country. Not in the mood for gotcha games against good Democrats or seeing any of them being Hillaried by the MSM.
Times are too serious for that luxury
thats what I hear from people I talk to. Anecdotal I know. But I do think voters dont want to play around w nonsense when the stakes are so high.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)by Election Day. I'm not convinced he won't succeed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emulatorloo
(44,113 posts)Im sure you wont either!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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lapfog_1
(29,199 posts)why are you supporting a racist?
White women are somehow exempt from Systemic Racism?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
quickesst
(6,280 posts).... as to the purpose for which it is intended is there is not a lot left at the bottom of the barrel to be scraped off and thrown at Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)As for racist bones in my body????
Neither do I.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,695 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,695 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iggo
(47,549 posts)I'm whatever you call that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Do you think the attacks, and criticism, were valid?
I ask because I doubt you do. I doubt you thought she was fairly treated. And yet, there's no question Warren handled it about as badly as someone could - and there's no doubt Warren appropriated a race that wasn't her's to appropriate - even identifying it in her career. If you're going to attack Biden, or insinuate some hard truths about the situation, then you better be willing to do the same for your candidate.
It's funny how easy we forget this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Speak for your own racism. I really dont give a good goddamn about what you think about another persons heart.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,695 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(153,147 posts)yes I understand the power play but ANYONE CAN BE RACIST
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Indygram
(2,113 posts)And they aren't. There are many times that people who are not racists say or do things that are racially insensitive without even realizing they are doing it. It really sucks if you aren't a racist but do or say something you didn't even realize would offend someone and then get attacked. I think that is part of why Biden is not handling this well at all. More than this gaffe, I see his defensiveness and refusal to listen to others as a far bigger problem.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skittles
(153,147 posts)always has, always will
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(153,147 posts)not the candidate whose responses constantly need explaining
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)I hope you understood that. If I sounded like I have no idea what I'm talking about... well, that is sometimes true no doubt. More so with each passing birthday.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(153,147 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)White Fragility is the term Robin DiAngelo uses to describe the tendencies of white people to often interpret discussions on racism as a personal criticism when it is never about us- not even when it is about our behaviors and words.
https://washcodems.org/2019/02/15/hard-conversations-i-am-a-racist/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Buzz cook
(2,471 posts)This is weak tea. Joe is a gaff machine, That's one of the reasons he hasn't engaged with other candidates as much as his rivals have.
The odds of Joe misspeaking reach 100% the more off script comments he makes.
But that shouldn't be held against him.
Biden has a record several decades long. If you want to go after Biden, try for substance.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Voltaire2
(13,008 posts)For the trump campaign to make the ge a circus.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brooklynite
(94,501 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Reading your comments above bears this out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)As opposed to other black men was implied.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,376 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)This was a quote from a Designing Women episode in the 1980's. In 1994, my husband and I were watching this syndicated rerun episode called "There's some black people coming to dinner". For some context here, I'm in a gay interracial marriage (was a very young and new relationship at the time we watched this episode, but I digress). The father of the son, near the end of the episode uttered the subject quote. This utterance caused one of the first heated debates/arguments between myself and my husband. To that point in my life, I fully and completely believed that I was not a racist.. at all.. period.. end of story. I was raised by 1960's hippies, and absolutely did not "have a racist bone in my body." There was no way that line could be accurately applied to me. I was wrong.
You see, it is not possible to exist in this society and not be racist. As a litmus test: Say you are interviewing people for a job. You have 2 prime candidates. One is a white male. One is a dark skinned male. The white male has a marginally better education background, and/or work experience. Whom do you hire?
The "colorblind" person will hire the first candidate, since they are basing their decision purely on education and experience. This completely ignores the systemic and systematic racism challenges that the 2nd candidate may have come to the table with. It ignores all the statistics and data out there on the additional challenges women and minorities face in education, and employment opportunities, and propagates the continuance of said stats and trends.
Even if you are a person who will take all of that information, and decide to hire candidate #2 based on the more complete and enlightened use of information, you are still knowingly and willingly deciding to hire a less qualified/educated candidate based on the race and background of the candidate. That is still racism, even if it is a more socially aware and enlightened version of it.
And this hypothetical is just one of MANY.. Who does/doesn't get invited to our children's birthday parties, social gatherings, PTA meetings, or whom we are looking at and weighing evidence present on in a court room.
Some of the other comments to your thoughtful post are.. illuminating.. as well.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
IronLionZion
(45,426 posts)Our black politicians would not have been able to have the working relationships with segregationists that Biden had.
Trump enjoys the benefits of white privilege and openly panders to racist voters.
And why stuff from the civil rights era is relevant now is that America has gotten more diverse so the GOP in many southern states have implemented systemic voter suppression to stop nonwhites from voting. In many southern states, a Democratic presidential candidate would need more black voters than white and shouldn't take anyone for granted.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)The difference is that I don't repeat those terms. Growing up in a different time means remembering how things were and refusing to perpetuate them in the now.
The casual sexism/racism of the past was usually followed by "why are you so sensitive?" or "can't you take a joke?"
Wanting our leading candidate to be better than the other side doesn't mean I want Joe (or any candidate) to fail.
Everyone of them is going to drop a clinker or two, how they handle it is the telling factor.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided