Biden is top choice for climate-minded 2020 voters: Poll

[Scurrilous]

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"Former Vice President Joe Biden is the top choice for president among likely Democratic voters who are focused on the climate, according to a new poll.

The online poll, released Monday as a collaboration between the Sierra Club and Morning Consult, limited its results to voters who said candidates' plans for the climate are an important factor in their vote.

While Biden would be the top choice for 37 percent of climate-minded voters, Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) came in second and third with 19 percent and 15 percent, respectively.

The results echo other national polls of Democrats, which have largely found Biden far ahead of Sanders and Warren, with the senators in a tough fight for second place."

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/450061-poll-finds-biden-the-top-choice-for-climate-minded-voters

[Turin_C3PO]

1. He's my choice and climate is tied with healthcare for my #1 issue.

[Cha]

2. "The results echo other national polls of Democrats, which have largely found Biden far ahead of

Sanders and Warren"

Good so far! In spite of all the attempts to bring him.. quite impressive

Gracias, Scurrilous!

[Scurrilous]

3. De nada Cha!

[Cha]

6. Kick for Biden's impressive resilience!

[emmaverybo]

27. +1000

[redstateblues]

29. Holding steady, Just like Joe has always been

[Cha]

31. Great observation,

redstatesblues!

[walkingman]

4. If he is elected, how about AOC as Climate Czar? She's got the juice!

[Gothmog]

5. League of Conservation Voters likes Biden's plan

Link to tweet

[Scurrilous]

8. Thanks!

[Cha]

17. Thanks for reminding, Goth!

[George II]

7. 19 + 15 is less than 37!

[highplainsdem]

12. Yep. One of many polls where Biden has more support than the next 2 or 3 rivals combined.

[redstateblues]

30. That takes away a talking point of the Sanders/Warren camps

[shanny]

9. That's just pathetic.

[Peacetrain]

10. You having a bad day shanny...

?

[shanny]

23. Not me. The planet is though.

[Cha]

32. Yes, and we have Dems who

are working to do something about our Climate Change Crisis.

[Cha]

14. too bad, shanny.

Thanks for kicking the thread for REALITY.

[Turin_C3PO]

16. Why?

?

[shanny]

22. Do some research on his climate plan,

where he got it, and when.

[Cha]

35. Biden's Clean Energy Revolution and Environmental Justice Plan

is "applauded" by The League of Conservation Voters..

Link to tweet

[LongtimeAZDem]

40. He was proposing climate change legislation over thirty years ago, when most people didn't

even know the problem existed.

I'm so sick of this "he stole someone else's idea" nonsense.

[shanny]

41. Just stop.

This isn't about 30 years ago. It is about now and whether his plan is genuine, workable and effective. That is in doubt because a few months ago he was still a all-of-the-above guy (i.e. fracking) and his new stance is not much better:

"This plan embraces dangerous nuclear power, environmentally-harmful biofuels, and foolish dreams of carbon capture and sequestration that will lock in our continued dependence on fossil fuels," said Pica. "Like most candidate climate plans, it barely addresses agriculture and the U.S.'s international obligations as the world's largest historic emitter."
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"Joe Biden's climate plan is a cobbled-together assortment of weak emissions targets and unproven technological schemes that fail to adequately address the depth and urgency of the climate crisis we face," said Hunter. "This plan cannot be considered a serious proposal to tackle climate change."

my bold

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/06/04/bidens-climate-plan-not-nearly-enough-say-green-groups

[SouthernProgressive]

43. He was one of the first Senators to put forward legislation pertaining to the environment.

I have heard that his current plan comes from a collaboration between numerous people and groups, who have almost all spoken very highly of it.

Makes perfect sense that those who believe in science would support him.

[shanny]

48. um, no

see post #41

[SouthernProgressive]

51. Post 41 is an extremely weak rebuttal. Not sure why you sent me to it. NT

[shanny]

55. hmmm maybe I thought you valued

the outlook from people who know the science best. I guess I was mistaken.

and speaking of "weak" there's this:
"....a collaboration between numerous people and groups, who have almost all spoken very highly of it." Like, who? And who do they work for?


buh-bye

[highplainsdem]

11. K&R!

[Peacetrain]

13. My top choice.. and climate change is my top concern

You can have all the positions in the world..but if you do not have potable water.. arable land.. and breathable water.. nothing matters.. because without those three things life cannot continue.. and if it does.. people will be so desperate.. that anything but survival of the fittest will go

[Triloon]

18. climate change is about heat. It has nothing to do with

potable water, arable land, or breathable water. Heat, and mostly the heat of the ocean, not the air. I would hope that Biden understands this, but I don't think he does, as he continues to discuss it in terms of 'clean air and water'.
Maybe he'll Evolve...

[Peacetrain]

19. Are you kidding me?? You do not realize that climate change affects all of those things???

lands that are arable dry out..flood waters pollute wells.. and or wells dry out.. breathable air .. have you looked at China?? they have to wear masks their air is so polluted by fossil fuels that lead to climate change..

[Triloon]

21. nope, not kidding.

It's about temperature, not pollutants. Heavy droughts and famines and storms in unusual places and seasons is part of what we'll see more of, I agree, a lot of that is already baked in. We crossed that tipping point a few years ago, didn't we? Human beings are already living in a world climate that no other human has seen before. 400+ppmCO2. co2 isn't in the same class as other pollutants, no one is dying from breathing too much co2. A big storm here, a deadly heat wave there, and a crop killing freeze over there, and a forgotten disease outbreak over there. We could adapt to it if it would stabilize. But it won't. The rate of change is accelerating. I see predicted Worst Case Scenarios vanishing behind us every year.
We do have one tool, we can control our own CO2 output. So I don't think of it as a clean air and water issue, but as a heat issue. Heat and the greenhouse effect. We've been dealing pretty successfully with air and water pollution since the 60s and that is all well discussed and although it's a continuing issue it's a little bit old hat. It should not be confused with the scale of the climate problem. We only have that one tool a little while longer.
I think you and I are talking about the same thing. Sorry if I took the long way around to explain myself.

[Cha]

36. No, you're wrong.. Climate Change affects

all those things.

Biden understands Perfectly.. his Clean Energy Revolution and Environmental Justice Plan is "applauded" by The League of Conservation Voters..

Link to tweet

[LongtimeAZDem]

54. Wow

[peggysue2]

15. Another Go4Joe 2020

Climate change, the first among firsts in existential threats to the planet and our continued survival. The fact that Joe is racking up numbers for this particular issue is a very good sign. For everyone!

[Odoreida]

20. When it comes to climate issues ...

... is there really any particular difference between the Democratic Party candidates for president?

Or for that matter, among Democrats in congress or anywhere else?

[mtnsnake]

24. This proves that polls are meaningless and only serve to assist the candidates with name recognition

because if anyone should be the top choice for climate minded voters, it should be Jay Inslee. He isn't one of my top choices, but before he came out and stated that climate change was his number one priority, you had barely heard a word about it from any of the other candidates with the exception of maybe Beto O'Rourke.

[Vegas Roller]

26. Did you notice that they have shown the name recognition chart?

Biden, BS and Warren have identical name recognition

[emmaverybo]

28. Oh you are observant. Good catch. NT

[Cha]

33. No it does Not.

[ehrnst]

38. "Polls are meaningless"

Because you don't agree with one poll, all polls are meaningless.

[mtnsnake]

42. Roll your eyes all you want, but no, not just one poll. I don't ever trust ANY polls

If one of my favorite candidates was as far out in front as Biden is this early on, I wouldn't be comfortable at all. In fact, I would be more nervous than comfortable because of so many instances where people starting out so high in the polls often drop like flies in the end. Past history is often a much better indicator of what happens than any polls are. Having said that, Biden's lead is so huge that it will be extra hard for the other candidates to surmount that much of a lead unless he makes some sort of disastrous mistake between now and next year.

Anyway, polls can be damaging in more ways than one. Since the polls highlight the 4 or 5 people in the lead, the uninformed poll watchers usually tend to pick one of the leaders just because the uninformed often tend to jump on the poll bandwagon without checking out everyone else in the poll. Polls with this many contenders can stifle the ones starting out at the bottom because all everyone is talking about are the leaders. Polls never educate.

Okay, I'll brace myself for another dreaded roly eye thing again.

[ehrnst]

45. Speak for yourself. I make my own decisions, and am not "uniformed" and "jump on the poll

bandwagon."

I suppose you have data to back up your claims?

(Do you like this one better?)

[SouthernProgressive]

44. Depends on the day and the poll.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287147669#post38

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287114114#post48

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287147841#post68

[mtnsnake]

46. Good stuff, SouthernProgressive!

Whoever did those posts that you linked to seems to really have his head set on straight!

[SouthernProgressive]

47. That also seems to be dependent on the day and the poll. NT

[mtnsnake]

52. not at all

but if you're going to spend all that time searching back in the past on people's posts to make a point that doesn't even make a real point, then you definitely have way too much time on your hands!

[SouthernProgressive]

53. My point was spot on.

Took me all of thirty seconds.

This internet thing is hard!

[ehrnst]

50. And clearly doesn't know enough to know that "polls mean nothing."

[ehrnst]

49. .....

[Vegas Roller]

25. K&R nt

[oasis]

34. Joe to the rescue of Planet Earth.

[MFM008]

37. I dont think Biden

Is quite as good as Jay Inslee. But ill vote for the nominee whoever it is.

[MineralMan]

39. Climate Change and its effects have been something Biden has worked on for many years.

He has the creds.