Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumHickenlooper Won't Call Himself a Capitalist
I watched this on Morning Joe this morning https://politicalwire.com/2019/03/08/hickenlooper-wont-call-himself-a-capitalist/
He added: All these labels have gotten to the point where they divide us from each other.
Link to tweet
I think that this candidate hurt himself by trying to be too progressive.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,470 posts)They've pretty much lost all meaning and are often just thrown around as insults or to isolate or stereotype people.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MH1
(17,600 posts)(I'm avoiding expressing the strength of my actual reaction when I first saw the clip.)
A presidential campaign is worthless if you don't win the general election, at least in the current climate.
I don't give a shit about the meaninglessness of labels, if someone can't effectively and positively handle a question like "are you a capitalist?" they are not a competent candidate and need to get out of the way.
Of course this is added to the pile of his pot and fracking positions, for me. I don't really see him getting past the first few primaries, even if that far.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Will be labeled by the media or their opponents.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elleng
(130,895 posts)from each other.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CrossingTheRubicon
(731 posts)It will be a debate question. Guaranteed.
We should be a strongly progressive capitalist party.
No waffling.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,168 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CrossingTheRubicon
(731 posts)that will feed our economy, feed our people, and feed the national purse so we can take care of our people.
We need to be "happy warriors" for progressive capitalism.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WA-03 Democrat
(3,047 posts)Senator.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ZeroSomeBrains
(638 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
calimary
(81,225 posts)Hes starting to strike me as not ready for prime time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vlyons
(10,252 posts)where some things are for-profit, privately owned businesses, and some things are funded with tax-payer dollars. People understand that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
David__77
(23,372 posts)While I want more of what I understand as socialism, the debate on social systems can get pretty removed from practical matters.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)a whipping boy, federal research and development had an astounding record of making new ideas economic realities. An enormous amount of how food is made safer was a result of federal government R&D, so was the Internet, food products like Tang, no refrigeration juices, MRE type food products, Global Positioning that allows accurate travel, dental products of a number of varieties. Federal government R&D is responsible for the USA becoming a dominant world power. We need to get back to what helped build the economy, with some adjustments like well thought out regulation and a no tolerance attitude toward job and housing discrimination of any type.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vlyons
(10,252 posts)and the post office, FEMA, national, state, and local parks, NASA, FDA, local fire and police depts, local schools, state universities.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
calimary
(81,225 posts)And be forceful and solid in your convictions. And be ready for these questions without fumfering around.
I would hope hed seen enough by now to at least kind of know what to do. I dont see that in him.
Anybody throwing a hat into the ring better be ready to beat Jay Inslee to the punch. Thats whos still my Number One choice. Nothing Im seeing from Hickenlooper is leading to that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ZeroSomeBrains
(638 posts)We need that Colorado Senate seat more than him going on an ego tour that no one will understand. He's running on an I'm not a capitalist and legal weed is ok in Colorado but not the rest of the country. What constituency are you even trying to get at? And if we don't get the Senate no Democratic President will be able to accomplish anything. I ask you to do the honorable thing Mr. Hickenlooper. Stop this campaign and run for Senate in Colorado.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TwilightZone
(25,470 posts)That's pretty convenient.
There are a lot of candidates in the race who aren't going to be president. I doubt any of them, including Hickenlooper, are running just for the hell of it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ZeroSomeBrains
(638 posts)Nothing will get done without that becoming a reality. A much more nationally known figure with more support like Senator Brown made the difficult decision to stay in the Senate in part because of that need. Governor Hickenlooper did a good job to run his state and is popular there. He is not that well known outside his state and he doesn't seem to know how to position himself IMHO.
There is no shame in being a member of the US Senate. If he becomes the Democratic nominee for President then I will gladly support him and convince everyone I know to vote for him. That's just my two cents.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)He would know if there are talented state senators, county administrators, mayors there who are younger and can serve in the senate longer are ready to take the seat from the republican.
But who are you or I to say that he should or should not run. I support him, but that is it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Every candidate we have running is a capitalist.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CrossingTheRubicon
(731 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)He is a capitalist.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CrossingTheRubicon
(731 posts)and I'm told that one of the prime attributes of Sen. Bernard Sanders (I-Vt) is his "authenticity."
When he tells us he's a "Democratic Socialist" I'm inclined to believe him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Im waiting for another shoe to drop.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MH1
(17,600 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
David__77
(23,372 posts)And its a big tent party of capitalists and non-capitalists.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)for Hickenlooper specifically and the Democratic Party generally if we're put into a position of defending socialism. Americans are not socialists, period. You want to talk about a mixed economy, fine. Because that's what we actually have--a private and public based economy. But not answering the question directly is not going to fly in 2020. And sorry, the "I don't believe in labels" is pathetically lame for anyone running for President of the United States. That might work for an undergraduate classroom but it simply does not cut the mustard at this level. Say what you are, rightly or wrongly. Then let the chips fall as they may.
But this tap dancing routine? That gets you nowhere in this sort of race. Other than placed in the circular file.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Paladin
(28,254 posts)Nobody but a solid capitalist could establish such a nice a beer joint on the trendy side of downtown Denver. Walking away from the "capitalist" label just helps trump and his moronic hordes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
kcr
(15,315 posts)I love that this is being spun as Not A Capitalist. Not sure that's what he intended, but I don't care.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)I see no benefit for a purity test and pledge of allegiance to capitalism.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TwilightZone
(25,470 posts)He said he doesn't apply labels to himself. That's not even remotely the same thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden