*********Number #2 Debate Thread *********

[a kennedy]

I just hate scrolling through all the responses.....

[a kennedy]

1. Marianne Williams???

[AnnieBW]

3. She'd Be a good advisor

But, I'm tired of rich people that think that they can buy the Presidency. It's not an entry-level job.

[barbtries]

10. my understanding is that she

writes books, so selling books is her motivation for running. to my knowledge she's a political neophyte.

[superpatriotman]

5. A solid answer

Will need to watch town halls for all 25 candidates...

[TalenaGor]

6. I don't know anything about her but I liked her response on healthcare and how it has to do with

Environmental policy and food policy and chemical policy etc

[Bluepinky]

9. Never heard of her, will have to google her.

I do like Bernie’s responses, he’s as loudly indignant as ever. He’s a great orator, but he’s not my first choice this time around. My favorites are Warren, Harris and Buttigieg.

[ValidateThis]

74. She's a wacky anti-vaccine new ager

She shouldn’t be advising anyone

[Bradshaw3]

148. Exactly n/t

[customerserviceguy]

156. She just said

"maybe" we put a man on the moon. Hmmmm...

[a kennedy]

2. I do like how she looks at the other candidates.....

[a kennedy]

4. and Gillibrand??

[onetexan]

196. in deed, Gillibrand was nauseating

[a kennedy]

7. Yup, this panel is getting out of hand real quick.......

[Arkansas Granny]

18. They need to cut their mics when they interrupt.

They need to do something about the audience, as well.

[MustLoveBeagles]

23. Agreed

I didn't like it last night either.

[nolabear]

8. I abandoned my first thread. Hopefully others will too.

First commercial. Whew!

[highplainsdem]

11. Biden's looking good tonight. Relaxed, fit, and looking younger than his actual age.

Comes across particularly well next to Sanders.

[Blue_true]

37. Has Bernie told Biden to get off his lawn yet? nt

[pangaia]

53. He can afford caps or maybe even implants.

Nobody his age has teeth like that.

[Cha]

54. Good to know! I'm not watching

.. just reading DU. And, looking to see how Biden is doing!

[Irishxs]

155. Yes, he does.

[ecstatic]

12. Why is Savannah feeding into trump's narrative (insurance for undocumented)?

What a dumb / divisive question!

[hlthe2b]

13. Kamala again: WONDERFUL!

[Demsrule86]

118. She just stepped in it by promoting bussing. No one supports bussing...and she was rude

and interrupted Biden...it was a mistake.she also misrepresented what Biden said about working together...she did herself no favors.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

181. Yes..huge fail. Blew her VP chance too.

[Demsrule86]

212. I wouldn't pick her now.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

223. Not sure he ever would have anyone. Not smart to go

Into something of such critical nature and be subject to known baggage.

[Demsrule86]

224. That is a good point. I also don't see how someone from California helps the ticket..maybe the south

Maybe Georgia or Texas...North Carolina...or out west...picking a Colorado or Arizona Democrat might help our Senate races.

[treestar]

14. Kamala excellent job

Immigration.

[Politicub]

17. Her second moment of the night!

Love how she talked about the power of the president’s microphone.

[Demsrule86]

132. She started out well but she hasnt done well as this continued.

[nolabear]

15. I have to give Kamala serious props. She's doing great.

[highplainsdem]

16. Kamala's brilliant -- passionate and logical.

[madaboutharry]

19. Kamala, Mayor Pete, Biden

They are just great.

And one more thing, Marianne Williamson makes a lot of sense!

[Politicub]

46. I've been saying that about Williamson since the SC Planned Parenthood forum

She’s very talented at humanizing issues and making them relatable.

[ecstatic]

20. Minor gaffe. Kids in cages have to be released first.

Before DACA. Just a minor quibble.

[treestar]

25. Yes. Go back to Obama system.

Then go from there.

She mentioned parent DACA. But a court told Obama he could not do it. But a good Congress could.

[highplainsdem]

21. Kudos to Williamson for her critique of Trump's treatment of children at the border.

[hlthe2b]

22. That's where her passion can readily shine through

[Politicub]

29. +1

[kwassa]

24. Gillibrand is pretty unlikeable.

[nolabear]

28. Since Day One.

[a kennedy]

35. Smart enough, just not coming across as friendly in my humble opinion.

[pangaia]

60. She is my senator.. embarrassing...

always has been, to me anyway...

[Zoonart]

202. Mine too...not a fan.

[Clash City Rocker]

67. Something about her voice is nails on a chalkboard to me

It isn’t the Al Franken thing, it isn’t even her political beliefs. The sound of her voice just grates on me.

[Politicub]

26. Gillibrand - great connecting detaining children to funding private prison

Haven’t thought about it in that way. Powerful.

[pangaia]

65. That's one of the main rasons for locking up children $ for DeVos and her ilk.

[hlthe2b]

27. Unbelievably good call out of religious hypcrisy and immigration/Trump by Buttigieg

[nolabear]

32. It was!

[hlthe2b]

66. Now Buttigieg is going after tariffs. YEAH!

[50 Shades Of Blue]

33. He's doing a great job!

[Owl]

42. Yes that was excellent!

[highplainsdem]

30. Bravo, Mayor Pete, for taking on religious hypocrisy of the GOP

[ucrdem]

31. "raise your hand" is getting old

this is not a campfire

[Politicub]

36. I agree. It's useless.

[treestar]

34. They only criminalized illegal entry

To satisfy right wingers who did not like that it was only civil. But it is only civil.

[ucrdem]

38. Joe is warming up to the new twitter format

[aaaaaa5a]

39. So far Harris is the clear winner.

Biden is second because nobody’s touched him.

It’s been a long night for everyone else.

[a kennedy]

48. and watch the babbling heads after this is over......oh no one went after Biden or Biden.....

i’ll Be watching CNN again by the way.

[treestar]

40. Gaffe of moderator

No way Obama deported 3 million Americans. 3 million undocumented non citizens maybe.

[ecstatic]

50. Exactly. nt

[Bradshaw3]

41. I think Biden is doing well

Better than I expected. Looking energetic and on top of the issues.

[Cha]

62. Good to know.. thanks, Bradshaw.

[Demsrule86]

68. I agree.

[a kennedy]

43. Who is that answering questions in the background??

[ucrdem]

44. Did Bernie just say "sexual America"?

[highplainsdem]

49. LOL! "Central America"

[dalton99a]

61. +1

[UniteFightBack]

220. Listen we gotta do what we gotta do to bring the country together now. nt

[TruckFump]

45. Hi, all!!!

Thanks for Thread #2!

[nolabear]

47. ...

[a kennedy]

56. .......

and is it to early to start thread 3??

[TruckFump]

57. LOL!!!

[nolabear]

51. Warren-Harris-Biden-Sanders-Buddigieg-that'll be a debate!

I think they’re going to take off. Maybe Klobuchar.

[Politicub]

58. Yes! Would love to see that.

[aaaaaa5a]

52. Harris is kicking ass!

[Celerity]

55. Harris, Buttigieg, Biden only ones doing well, Williamson, surprisingly is not bad

in her limited way (shameful Yang and her are there and not Bullock)

the rest need to go go go

Bernie is too angry and unhinged, Gillibrand is obnoxious, same for Swalwell

last point

Biden is now talking about Medicare for the public option again

he started there at launch

2 weeks ago flipped to Medicaid-based public option (went hard into how it would be Medicaid, NOT Medicare)

now he is sorta back on Medicare?

which is it?

it is a massive difference as Medicaid pays far less in reimbursement than Medicare or private insurance and may doctors refuse it

[hlthe2b]

71. She shows emotional intelligence. But she can offer no plans/detail because she has no experience.

There are NO training wheels--especially now.

[elleng]

59. Re: Biggest threat to U.S. Bennett agrees with De Blasio RUSSIA, & got huge applause.

and Yang.

[Demsrule86]

63. I thought kamala was unfair to President Obama...he did what he could

and the dreamers are still here thanks to him. We need immigration reform.

[aaaaaa5a]

69. Agreed. People here illegally are committing

a crime. Perhaps not a serious one. But it is against the law. It has to be. We are going to pay for this in the GE. Not a good look for us

[treestar]

75. It should be civil only

I’ve gotten speeding tickets. IMO that is far worse. Way more dangerous to others. Being illegally in a country to do crap jobs for low wages doesn’t harm anyone. Any American who claims they want those jobs is full of malarkey.

[Demsrule86]

151. It isnt. Biden gave a good answer...prevention... is the key.

We d o need reform too.

[TruckFump]

64. Yang is just totally out of his league on this stage. EOM

[aaaaaa5a]

72. We have 2 people on stage that don't belong.

Very disappointing.

[a kennedy]

77. and I saw him on Stephen Colbert and thought he was a great guest.......

but a good guest does not a good president make eh??

[DaDeacon]

86. Cause he's not yelling over others?!?

?!? Just wondering?!?

[TruckFump]

90. Just does not convey his message well.

Confusing, speaks too fast.

[Bradshaw3]

113. I'v been very impressed by Yang when interviewed

Like Beto, though, I don't think this format plays to his strengths.

[calguy]

166. Yang is a smart dude

Not presidential material but we could use his brain in the next administration. How about putting him in charge of jamming the russian's cyber warfare campaign? Him and his nerd friends could destroy the Putin's cyber warfare machine.

[TruckFump]

173. I agree with you.

He belongs behind he scenes, using his brain, and getting done what needs to be done. He just does not shine in front of a camera. Which deficit is highlighted with people like Pete, Kamala and Joe on the stage.

[TruckFump]

70. The debate tonight is far, far better than last night.

Wish Warren was in on this one...would have had all of the top contenders on one stage.

[Clash City Rocker]

73. I'm encouraged that the candidates are mostly going after Trump and not each other

[treestar]

79. +1

Except for a couple of them they would all be amazing presidents.

[Celerity]

89. Give Bernie time, he looks like he is going to snap and maybe Biden takes his bait

The entire nation would be well-served if Bernie folded his tent and went back to Vermont

although if I was a Biden girl (most deffo am not) I would really want him to stay in and knee-cap Warren

the TRUE danger of Bernie is that he allows the Rethugs to broad-brush all of us as socialists his fake dem socialist self-labelling

he is poison to our party

[BeyondGeography]

76. Biden is being downsized tonight IMO

He needs to do more than throw the resume out there. Harris is the leader out there tonight. That’s not how you cement your front runner status.

[kwassa]

80. agreed

[aaaaaa5a]

82. Biden is playing for a draw. He has the lead.

[Blue_true]

171. Prevent defense prevents you from winning. nt

[TruckFump]

95. Totally agree.

[Demsrule86]

152. I dont agree...the people being rude and interrupting look small.

[R B Garr]

159. Exactly.

And Sanders just wagged his hand in Biden’s face. Nasty.

[Demsrule86]

165. Biden did fine...they needed more to break free from low polls and didnt get it.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

78. Is it just me or is there more fillabustering tonight?

[a kennedy]

81. Oh, and crap, the toad with Rachel is on now.

[aaaaaa5a]

84. Chuck Todd starts with a stupid joke.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

83. Chucky Todd is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

[lanlady]

85. Harris & Buttigieg are crushing it

[58Sunliner]

87. I'm really liking Buttigeig. Kamala relies too much on emotionalism. It feels contrived.

[colsohlibgal]

88. More Spirited For Sure

Really impressed with many of them including Marianne Williamson, I thought she came off strong.

I like Bernie but I think his time is past, think he and Biden....well are too long in the tooth and we need to skew a bit younger.

However this is a four alarm emergency, whoever we nominate gets my vote.....and this should be an interesting race with twists and turns.

[a kennedy]

91. Holy crap

[tishaLA]

92. "I would like to speak on the issue of race!"

Go Kamala

[BeyondGeography]

93. Rachel takes 30 seconds to say you have 30 seconds

[Politicub]

94. This is *the* question for Buttigieg tonight - about Eric Jack Logan

He's being honest and real about what happened. He's not papering over the things that went wrong.

Swalwell can go fuck himself. He seems so small and childish with his interruption.

[defacto7]

190. This!

[crazytown]

96. Pete's take down of GOP 'Christianity'

'I (don't want to hear) religious language from them again'

[TruckFump]

97. I hate to say this, but "Amen, Pete!"

[bullwinkle428]

101. GREAT moment from him.

[ecstatic]

98. Kamala's going for the jugular now.

You better knock him out completely since you're taking it there.

[TruckFump]

103. Could be a dangerous move...

...have to wait and see.

[Clash City Rocker]

112. When you come at the king, you best not miss

[defacto7]

193. It was her lowest point of the night.

I was disappointed how contrived it sounded after such powerful moves earlier.

[BeyondGeography]

99. Biden should not be defensive here

A missed opportunity IMO.

[aaaaaa5a]

100. Harris... WOW!

[a kennedy]

102. That is not good.......

Kamala vs Joe. I am feeling very nervous.....this is not good what she just did. JMHO

[TruckFump]

106. Yeah, I don't like this.

[elleng]

107. I agree.

He's trying to explain his decision, sounds like a procedural/jurisdictional decision, and Harris isn't allowing him to explain.

[58Sunliner]

122. She seems angry. She has a right to it, but it may not play well.

She has an emotional story for each question. It's a bit much for me.

[Demsrule86]

167. I agree with rhat.

[defacto7]

194. Her low point for the night.

[a kennedy]

104. THIS IS NOT GOOD

[58Sunliner]

105. Kamala tries to nail Joe on bussing.

[hlthe2b]

109. The audience largely has no clue what the precise issue is.

and the impassioned discussion did not get any point across.

[elleng]

114. Right. Sad.

[58Sunliner]

125. Agreed.

[hlthe2b]

133. Not to mention bussing to achieve integration BECAME controversial over time...

Initially even civil rights leaders favored it.

[elleng]

111. and didn't allow him to explain his decision.

Trying to 'nail him' not good.

[Demsrule86]

142. I found her almost unlikeable during this exchange...and an example of how issues in a

a primary can hurt a nominee in a general...busing is not and never was popular with voters.

[tishaLA]

108. This exchange is good for both Harris and Biden

[BeyondGeography]

110. Harris and Biden have managed to make Bernie sound calmer

[Funtatlaguy]

117. Kamala was killing it. Why did she go there? Bad move.

[BeyondGeography]

130. I think she overreached

And both candidates were the poorer for it.

[Sunsky]

134. Because

As an African American who benefited from busing, it was personal for her (and many others). I think she was the perfect person to bring this up. I felt her passion.

[spooky3]

138. That was my reaction too. Nt

[Raven123]

119. And that's a tough task!

[58Sunliner]

127. LOL.

[Goodheart]

115. Sorry, but Biden's defense of his opposition to bussing was total baloney

"I didn't oppose bussing. I opposed the Dept. of Education ordering bussing!"

Well, Joe, that's what it would have taken at the time.

That exchange was painful to watch, but Harris made her point. Sorry, Joe.

[elleng]

121. Only point Harris made was she wouldn't/couldn't let him explain what appears to have been a legal/

procedural/jurisdictional he made.

Sorry, Kamala.

[Goodheart]

136. Oh, but he DID explain.

He was opposed to the Dept. of Education ordering bussing, but favored municipalities making their own decisions on bussing. The PRACTICAL effect of that given the municipalities in question? He effectively opposed bussing.

He was quite mealy mouthed about it, frankly.

[hlthe2b]

146. Read through this subthread. Posters neither understand her position or his. That's why it was so

bad to have ambushed in this way. No one got a point across just angry rhetoric.

[Demsrule86]

153. Bad exchange...certainly backfired.

[Blue_true]

192. Harris was right.

What she didn't do was pin Joe down on the fact that a massive amount of busing was done to maintain segregated schools. If Joe was so attuned to local issues, he would have understood that the net amount of busing could have been lower in many places with busing to integrate schools. I think it would have been more straight forward of Joe to say what I think was the issue then, as a White person with young kids, he got caught up in the emotional issue of the uncertainties of mixing kids from different social norms in the same schools, Harris failed to corner his by pointing out the large amount of pre integrated schools busing.

[Demsrule86]

210. No she wasn't ...and way more important issues.

[elleng]

182. Thanks

[Blue_true]

187. You have to have lived partly in segregation to really understand

where Harris is coming from. As a young boy, I arrived at school just before schools were integrated in my county. I could not understand why kids that I played with during the summers were bussed a long way to another school - Biden glossed over that reality of segregation, there was MASSIVE busing to maintain segregation, busing kids pass closer schools. Harris was on target but missed hitting Joe with what I pointed out above.

[Blue_true]

184. Yes, in a real sense, he was virulently opposed to busing.

There was no way most municipalities would have integrated without the department of education and the Courts stepping in. The Brown decision was in May 1954, my county integrated schools in 1970 after losing in Court and facing a New Democratic governor of the state who said that schools would integrate and that there was no other option - faced with that, my county became creative in a way that is a model, achieving school integration that has become societal integration over time.

[hlthe2b]

191. He supported the court-ordered bussing.

[Blue_true]

198. Then why did he work with segregationists to fight it?

It would be better if he would say that as a young White father he had qualms about busing to achieve integration and that drove his public stance, but time and results have proven to him that society was wise to integrate schools and should have done so many decades earlier.

[hlthe2b]

199. It was disagreements with aspects of the legislation that was proposed at the time.

All the details will undoubtedly come out tomorrow, but it was not as malevolent as you suggest.

[Blue_true]

204. Every segregationist also had "differences" with the legistlation.

But they, like Biden at the time, failed to admit that there was a massive amount of busing to maintain segregated schools, a massive amount, I witnessed a tiny amount with my own eyes.

[hlthe2b]

206. Well, he'll have to address it. I was in the heart of the South then so I'm not unaware of the

intensity, controversy and depth of emotion at that time... My neighborhood was very diverse--unusually so for the era--and I've always been glad of it.

[Blue_true]

208. I was raised in a diverse neighborhood also.

Lower working class. I saw the waste of two buses going over the same route to pickup kids. I was in segregated schools only shortly, but my much older siblings spent most of their school years there.

[Blue_true]

180. What Harris failed to do was pin Joe down on how much bussing

was done to keep schools segregated. White kids were bused in large numbers past Black schools to their White schools. People that use the argument that Joe tried to use gloss over that fact, busing for integration actually resulted in kids having shorter trips to school if it was done right. In my county it was done right, the county built a new high school and converted the Black high schools into middle schools. The net result was kids had shorter trips to school, some could even walk to school. Today parents get waivers that have their kids go to school near where the parent works if that waiver does not interfere with the goal of keeping schools integrated. So if a White parent works near a school that is near a mostly Black community, their kid can go to school there and go to the parent's jobsite after school.

[Politicub]

123. He had a chance to show some empathy for Harris. He didn't.

Instead he launched into what sounded like a rant, trying to make Harris seem incredulous for daring to give a mea culpa.

Harris would have asked him about his busing vote regardless, though. I don't know if there was a good way for Biden to respond. He made his choice for how to respond -- hope it works for him.

[hlthe2b]

140. She misrepresented his position. It is hard to show empathy when one knows you have seconds

to both correct the record and respond.

[Politicub]

164. Biden's approach may have been the right one

I'm not a debate strategist.

It's just my opinion as someone who knows what its like to be on the outside. That's all.

Sometimes it's helpful to prove to people like me -- fellow travelers in the democratic party -- that the nominees show empathy and acknowledge that they don't know what its like to be on the outside.

[hlthe2b]

170. He was never given the chance. That's the problem with ambushes.

Like I said, I love Kamala, but that was just a 90-second frenetic litany of grievances that was impossible to follow, leaving the audience unable to even identify the issues, much less decide who is right or empathize.

Bad and depressing because it so upset me (and I' doubt I'm alone) I sort of tuned out from then on.

[Demsrule86]

154. I dont see it that way....and she seemed rather calculating to me.

[cannabis_flower]

137. I think Kamala won that one.

The reason the Dept of Education had to order bussing is that the state and local school districts failed to integrate their schools. It wasn't until the Feds stepped in that schools were integrated. Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi (and other states too) weren't going to do it unless they were forced.

Biden's response didn't make a lot of sense. I'm waiting till they start talking about drugs, crime and criminal justice.

[hlthe2b]

141. She was angry about being bussed!

and her anger did not even allow for the issue to be discussed much less Biden to respond. It was an ambush and poorly handled.

i personally love Kamala, but this was not good.

[cannabis_flower]

175. She wasn't angry about being bussed.

In this tweet she attributes integration with enabling her to become a lawyer. That sure doesn't sound like she was angry about being bussed.

Link to tweet

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She said she thought he was wrong for not supporting bussing. His answer was to say that he wasn't against bussing. He was against the federal integration and thought that the local districts should do it. However, back then if you left it to the locals it wouldn't have gotten done. It took federal intervention to integrate the schools in Little Rock and many other communities.

[hlthe2b]

178. She kept exclaiming that "I was that little girl. I was bussed!"

That's my point. She never got across what the issue was. Likewise, the audience had no idea what her beef was with Biden. It looked like unfocused anger and an unfair attack/ambush on Biden. That's why it backfired tragically and left a really bad taste in my mouth--doubt I'm the only one.

I still adore Kamala, but that was a really bad display. Sickening, really.

[cannabis_flower]

183. Well, here's the thing.

Most people aren't watching the debate. They will be watching the response in the media. That is one moment that will be talked about. If she didn't make herself clear to those who weren't around in the '60s and early '70s, they will understand the issue soon. Joe just showed that he still doesn't believe he was wrong about not supporting federal intervention on integration and he wasn't going to apologize for it.

[hlthe2b]

185. She didn't get her point across in this dust-up; So, I doubt the audience will hold an inexplicable

ambush against him-- when they themselves don't know/don't understand the issues that happened more than 45 years ago. It was clearly planned and was the single unfortunate episode in an otherwise flawless performance for Harris.

Biden may not have gotten his point across, but I'd bet he gets sympathy points because the attack was so unfocused and seemingly unfair.

[cannabis_flower]

188. It didn't seem unfair unless..

you don't understand the issue. I understood the issue and it didn't seem at all unfair to me. By the way, I am disappointed that no one wanted to bring up some of his unfortunate 80's crime bills or his continued silence on whether or not he has accepted that marijuana laws need to be changed. I keep hearing his supporters say he's evolved but so far I haven't heard it from him. Perhaps we will get to the bottom of this next time when he is on the stage with Senator Booker.

[hlthe2b]

189. It happened 45 years ago. Fewer than 10% of the audience would have understood it and even less

because she didn't get her point across. All you could hear was her angry exclamation "I was that child! I was bussed" No context and then talking over each other. It was unfocused, ugly and disappointing.

Harris is terrific. This was not.

[hlthe2b]

195. It would be perceived as "fair" if you didn't know Biden's full record which was not anti-bussing.

It will get cleaned up shortly, but the effect of an unfair ambush will not.

[Demsrule86]

160. I don't.

[cannabis_flower]

172. We'll see won't we.

People will be talking about that exchange. To me Biden's response was weak and sounded really defensive.

[Demsrule86]

213. I predict Harris will not get much of a bump in the polls...if any.

Biden did what he had to. He will be the nominee in my opinion.

[Blue_true]

200. I agree. I am a baby boomer. I was in segregated schools for a short time.

Harris is exactly right. What I remember is there was as much or more busing in my county to keep schools segregated. When schools were integrated, some kids that had long bus rides before could walk to school.

[cannabis_flower]

205. I'm not sure...

when the public schools in my area were desegregated because I never went to public school until the 6th grade and by the 6th grade the schools were already integrated.

My private Catholic school had quite a few Mexican-American kids but just a few black kids. I only remember 2 from back then.


But I knew there was an abandoned school on the other side of town that used to be the black school. I'm assuming that they bussed black kids to that school from wherever they lived before integration although I think most of them probably lived near the school because at that time the town was pretty segregated.

[Demsrule86]

144. He is right. Busing was a failure.

[Blue_true]

207. Not in my county. It was very successful. Kids ended up with shorter rides.

And the two integrated high schools became fierce rivals. In my county keeping schools segregated cost more money, two buses for the same pickup route. I witnessed the nonsense, Harris is exactly right.

[Demsrule86]

209. I dont agree and running in busing in the 22st century is just silly.

[Blue_true]

214. In my area kids were bussed MORE to maintain segregated schools.

That happened because Black and White housing tracks often overlapped or abutted eachother. Kids had longer rides in the segregated system and more busses were needed. Today a lot of kids simply walk to school after sidewalks were improved.

My county now has something like six high schools (I said four but forgot about two) as the county has grown considerably since I went to my first integrated school.

[Demsrule86]

218. It is yesterdays issue...schools in the north remained segregated for the most part.

I would say that I live in the Cleveland area. And it really is very diverse...so maybe there is hope. I lived all over but in the South for all its faults, I had Black friends but not in the North. I am a navy brat mand we all went to school and played together too...the military was integrated.

[Blue_true]

221. When my southern county finally integrated schools, it did so in a model way. nt

[Blue_true]

174. Yes that was a crummy answer.

It was not like states and local school districts were going to move kids to fully integrate schools. Also, Biden failed to mention that before school integration, kids were bused well pass the closest school to their race school, many miles in most cases. The press and academics have not tried to study pre integration busing routes, there is a lot to learn.

In my county, years ago housing was very segregated, today it is more integrated. Kids were bused as much before integration as they were after.

[femmedem]

116. Biden is arguing for municipal rights as opposed to state rights

when it comes to desegregating schools. How can he not see the similarity to the old segregationists' states' rights argument?



Kamala was amazing in that exchange.

[TruckFump]

120. Yeah, that was not good.

[Demsrule86]

149. I like it. And if you think busing is a good issue to run on...well you are wrong.

[cannabis_flower]

186. Bussing wasn't the issue.

Integration is the issue. If Kamala hadn't been bussed, she would have gone to segregated schools. The issue is very complicated. There were places where kids were going to neighborhood schools but the neighborhoods were segregated so the schools were also segregated so both some black and some white kids had to be bussed to accomplish integration. In other areas, black kids could have walked to neighborhood schools that only white kids went to but instead were bussed to black schools across town. In some areas it was easier to integrate because what needed to be done is to have school attendance zones redrawn to be more integrated

[Demsrule86]

211. Buding was the issue...

[Blue_true]

217. It was NOT the issue. Where I went to school, kids in integrated schools got bussed LESS

because of housing patterns. Some kids that had miles of bus rides to a segregated school could walk to the integrated school. That was my reality. Your's may be different. So for my, busing in an integrated school system was more efficient and less costly.

[Blue_true]

216. In my county, kids were bussed more to maintain segregation.

Black and White neighborhoods sat side by side, but one race was bussed miles away.

[Blue_true]

215. It would be better if he just came out and said that his view then was wrong

and that he won't try to defend it today.

[femmedem]

222. Yes, that's what I had assumed was the case.

I was gobsmacked when he continued to defend his old position.

[Blue_true]

225. He is out of mulligans. When his supporters have to rush forward to undo his mistakes, that

is not a good look for him. Harris expertly lured him into a trap a couple of times during that central confrontation, even when she gave him a chance to take an out, he stepped into the trap. Contrast that to how Buttigieg handled her very well placed query about the racial makeup of the South Bend police department.

[BeyondGeography]

124. I'm calling that one for Bennett

[Raven123]

126. I like Bennett. Wish he would have entered the race sooner.

[Jersey Devil]

128. Harris tossed a Hail Mary to get attention

She went way too far attacking Biden.

[tarheelsunc]

135. Disagree. That was a big moment for her. Eom

[Jersey Devil]

145. It was a desperation move

She is fading in the polls with at least Joe, Bernie and Warren ahead of her, and possibly Mayor Pete. Unless she makes a move now she is probably out shortly. Everyone knows that Biden's record on civil rights is superb. Her attack was more about getting attention than anything else. She also just eliminated herself as Biden's veep if he gets the nomination.

[onetexan]

203. spot on. K&R

[hlthe2b]

157. It was unfocused anger that did not allow the audience to understand the issue, her point and

thus left Biden with little to respond given it sounds like his record was not accurately portrayed.

Love love love Kamala, but that was really not good.

[Demsrule86]

162. She did and failed in my opinion.

[AnnieBW]

129. Bennet is nailing Biden on the Sequester

Glad someone brought that up!

[Demsrule86]

163. Again unfair...not a good look to attack our last Democratic president.

Biden just praised and defended Obama on climate change. Biden is killing it...just wait until the new polls come out.

[Bradshaw3]

131. Gillibrand talking about corruption in Washington?

Like she hasn't taken money from those supporting big corporations.

[BeyondGeography]

139. Another failed rhetorical pivot by Gillibrand

What is she, 0 for 8 tonight?

[True Dough]

143. Wouldn't it be fantastic if, just as they were about to cut to a commercial break,

Al Franken waltzes out onto the stage and hands Gillibrand a glass of water?

(I'm not on drugs, I swear!)

[spooky3]

147. LOL! nt

[BeyondGeography]

150. That would be glorrre-y-us!

[BeyondGeography]

158. Why is this Williamson person on my tv?

[customerserviceguy]

168. Because Oprah had her on her TV first. n/t

[Honeycombe8]

176. I think she's doing well. She actually had some good things to say. nt

[58Sunliner]

161. Two words!!

[H2O Man]

169. Recommended.

I'm enjoying the debate. Like last night, I like each of them. I think they are all good people.

[Honeycombe8]

177. Buttigieg's final statement...

[flamingdem]

179. Joe's close was stellar!

He remains the frontrunner and our best chance to reclaim our country.

[onetexan]

197. +1 K&R

[Demsrule86]

219. I thought so too. He can beat Trump.

[defacto7]

201. Overall I reaffirm my admiration for Buttigieg.

He never disappoints.