Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBiden: Gun manufacturers, 'not the NRA,' are the 'enemy'
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/450807-biden-enemy-is-gun-manufacturers-not-the-nraJoe Biden said Thursday that gun manufacturers, not the National Rifle Association (NRA), are the Democratic Party's "enemy" in its efforts to reform gun control laws. Biden's remarks came during the second of the first two Democratic presidential primary debates after the former vice president rattled off a slate of his accomplishments from his time in the Senate and Obama administration.
Biden cited his efforts in banning assault rifles and expanding background checks, adding that he would explore a buyback program for assault rifles. He went on to call for smart guns to include biometric readers, but said gun manufacturers were an obstacle in achieving that goal.
Last thing, we should have smart guns. No gun should be able to be sold unless your biometric measure can pull that trigger. Its within our right to do that, we can do that, our enemy is the gun manufacturers, not the NRA, he said. Biden's campaign quickly doubled down on the comment in a subsequent tweet.
The members of the NRA are not our opponents the vast majority of them support common-sense reforms, including universal background checks. The gun manufacturers who bankroll the NRA are our opponent. As president, Biden will defeat them, the campaign tweeted from Bidens account.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(35,926 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Perseus
(4,341 posts)At least three to be generous.
1. The one Kamala Harris challenged him on.
2. The one that Michael Bennet challenged him on about his fantasy of working with repubs. That deal was not a good deal for Democrats, Michael Bennet is right.
Biden will be destroyed by republicans, he has so much baggage I don't understand what people see in him, he will not beat the buffoon. I can see him agreeing with the buffoon during debates, not 100% but enough to loose.
I froze when I heard him say its the gun manufacturers and not the NRA. Is the NRA giving his campaign money?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ancianita
(35,926 posts)I think the GOTV numbers will depend on his running mate, AND, the base knows that judging him by the context of his past in no way proves he hasn't done progressive work. He has.
RE your points,
1. He answered her with not only the "local decision," reality of that time, but that he, before and after that time, passed legislation that advanced the Civil Rights Act.
2. Only one bipartisan effort did he get "played" on. So yes, Bennett scored a point. But on the other legislation, Biden was factually accurate in being able to get bipartisan work done that was constructive.
For Republicans to destroy him they'll have to imply that they're allied with Democratic criticisms. They won't.
RE he will not beat the buffoon. I can see him agreeing with the buffoon during debates, not 100% but enough to loose.
You have to point to real misjudgments or thought framings he has that will suffer at DJT's hands. I can't see how he can possibly be made to look weak in a Biden-Trump debate, so maybe your explanation can help pro-Biden people out here.
I froze, too. But his past gun legislation record offset it immediately; my broader knowledge of his assault weapon legislation got me to see that he's trying to appeal to hunters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Locrian
(4,522 posts)Extremely vulnerable with all the baggage - and he doubles down on it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
msongs
(67,347 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)and that opinion sucks.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,069 posts)https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/01/nra-russia-investigations-gun-lobby
yep
An attendee inspects a rifle during the NRA annual meeting in Dallas, Texas. Photograph: Justin Sullivan/Getty Images
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)mess with 2016. Has he ever heard of Maria Butina? I voted for Biden twice as VP but I am not impressed with what I have seen so far.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Perseus
(4,341 posts)Biden as VP was irrelevant, the real ticket was Obama, and I voted for him, I figured Biden would not harm anyone as VP, plus I would have never voted for the republican candidates that run against Obama.
Biden should not be considered for the nomination, just today he goofed up a minimum of three times, he didn't tell the stories as they were, just glad Kamala Harris and Michael Bennet were able to point it out.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Too damn much baggage. Rump will eat him alive.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ancianita
(35,926 posts)downright too complicated for his fraudulent, corrupt ass to stand up against.
There's NO way Trump can hurt any one of these candidates in a debate. He can only play on his superior access to info the readers of his admin give him.
He'll show himself to be the low class 6th grade bully he's always been.
Policy? Constitution? Governance? He doesn't know what those essentials of being president mean.
You give Trump way more credit than we all know he's ever earned in 70+ years of his rich, illiterate, calculating bubble life.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mobeau69
(11,131 posts)Remember 2016.
We're dealing with a cult leader and his cult. Williamson, as spacey as she comes off, is onto something here. Pete has basically been warning us about this without the effect of acid in his delivery.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,892 posts)is much more radical and aligned with gun manufacturers.
Biden was correct to differentiate between the two.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,069 posts)many 'reasonable' ones left long ago
Why More Than 90 Percent Of Gun Owners Dont Join The NRA
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/01/nra-russia-investigations-gun-lobby
The NRA used to be much more bipartisan. Now it's mostly just a wing of the GOP
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/24/politics/nra-partisan-bipartisan-republican/index.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,892 posts)that their leadership opposes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,069 posts)money laundering op, and tossing in hundreds of millions to help elect Rethugs, and to gut any reasonable gun control.
They are literally the definition of an enemy, at multiple inflection points.
Trying to parse it out and say 'oh, some (I would challenge those numbers by the way, as the current membership damn well knows what the NRA stands for and does) are good people and support 'reasonable measures' smacks of the 'good people on both sides' tosh that Rump spews.
Biden is wrong, dead wrong, on this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RockRaven
(14,886 posts)so if the gun manufacturers are "the enemy," then so is their public face... the NRA.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)We've officially entered the Greg Brady "Exact words" phase of the silly season.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden