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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 04:33 PM Jun 2019

538: Who Won the First Democratic Debate? (Spoiler: Harris, Sanders, Warren, Castro)

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/democratic-debate-poll/

The four candidates who had the most positive change from pre-debate polling support to post-debate support are:

Harris: +8.7%
Sanders: +2.9%
Warren: +1.8%
Castro: +1%

Everyone else either went down or stayed roughly the same. Of course, it's early, so the effects of the debate may play out differently over time, but this is the immediate effect. It also should be noted that Warren's support jumped considerably after the first debate night, but most of those gains went to Harris after the second night.
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538: Who Won the First Democratic Debate? (Spoiler: Harris, Sanders, Warren, Castro) (Original Post) HerbChestnut Jun 2019 OP
Quite a few did themselves no favors. (and no, BIden hasn't changed signficantly) hlthe2b Jun 2019 #1
I mean, he lost 10% so... HerbChestnut Jun 2019 #2
Biden Pre- Favorability 76.5% Post Favorability 75.6% hlthe2b Jun 2019 #4
In the 'Who's changing voters' minds?' section HerbChestnut Jun 2019 #6
I think the voting intentions were the least reliable crazytown Jun 2019 #8
However favorability doesn't necessarily translate into support. cannabis_flower Jun 2019 #13
No but it makes it easier to justify support. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #17
And (un) likability is Trumps greatest weakness. crazytown Jun 2019 #21
Voting intentions are a more accurate gauge of their current status. thesquanderer Jun 2019 #14
whoa, i don't see Kobluchar or Gillibrand on that list, but Yang is? onetexan Jun 2019 #18
I didn't list anyone who was under 1%. thesquanderer Jun 2019 #19
Thankyou for your hard work putting these numbers together. crazytown Jun 2019 #22
It says only half of those polled actually watched both debates: that's a problem hlthe2b Jun 2019 #9
Welcome to American democracy. HerbChestnut Jun 2019 #10
538 Debate Graph crazytown Jun 2019 #3
Thanks, crazytown. HerbChestnut Jun 2019 #5
I have to rely on screenshots crazytown Jun 2019 #7
Bill de Blasio did great, why are they not considering him? Perseus Jun 2019 #11
de Blasio went from 0% to 0.3% support. HerbChestnut Jun 2019 #12
Tulsi vote share unchanged Curky Jun 2019 #15
My predictions went pretty well. thesquanderer Jun 2019 #16
And they earned their bumps. aikoaiko Jun 2019 #20
 

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
1. Quite a few did themselves no favors. (and no, BIden hasn't changed signficantly)
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 04:40 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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HerbChestnut

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2. I mean, he lost 10% so...
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 04:43 PM
Jun 2019

But again, this is just the immediate impact of the debate. Who knows what the polling landscape will look like in a few weeks.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
4. Biden Pre- Favorability 76.5% Post Favorability 75.6%
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 04:51 PM
Jun 2019

Net favorable PRE Debate = 60.4% Net Favorable Post Debate = 56.5%

So, now, where did he lose 10%?

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HerbChestnut

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6. In the 'Who's changing voters' minds?' section
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 04:55 PM
Jun 2019

There's another graphic that shows actual support instead of favorability. He went from 41.5% pre-debate to 31.5% post-debate. I didn't create this thread to dump on Biden, which is why I only posted the candidates who gained a decent amount of support.

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crazytown

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8. I think the voting intentions were the least reliable
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:02 PM
Jun 2019

.Favorability is likely to be more sustained. My 2c.

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cannabis_flower

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13. However favorability doesn't necessarily translate into support.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:28 PM
Jun 2019

I love Bernie. I have a very high favorability toward Bernie but I'm not supporting him.

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Drunken Irishman

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17. No but it makes it easier to justify support.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 06:01 PM
Jun 2019

I think that's what helped push Obama over the line in 2012 - Americans just plain liked him. When faced with Romney, who had high unlikable numbers, Obama's sincerity, personality and charisma probably helped those voters who were undecided. They felt comfortable supporting him given the alternative.

Conversely, I think this is what really hurt Hillary in 2016. She was very unpopular, as was Trump, and voters who spent the entire election on the fence just couldn't justify that support (not that I agree with 'em at all), so, they either sat out the election, voted third party or ... in some instances, held their nose and voted for Trump.

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
21. And (un) likability is Trumps greatest weakness.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 07:27 PM
Jun 2019

In the scheme of things, it is extraordinary that, with the economy as strong as it is, Trumps approval is underwater.

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thesquanderer

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14. Voting intentions are a more accurate gauge of their current status.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:44 PM
Jun 2019

Someone can have a favorable view of numerous candidates, so the more important question is, if you could vote for only one, who would it be. And Biden did go down from 41.5 to 31.5.

Current figures:
Biden 31.5% (down 10 points compared to before debates)
Sanders 17.3% (up 2.9)
Harris 16.6% (up 8.7)
Warren 14.4% (up 1.8)
Buttigieg 4.8% (down 1.9)
Booker 2.8% (down .2)
O'Rourke 2.2% (down 1.4)
Castro 1.7% (up 1)
Yang 1.2 % (down .1)
Everyone else is under 1%

Down doesn't mean someone didn't do well, it just means they ended up liking someone else better. You can see that especially in people whose numbers went up after they appeared the first night, but went down after other people were seen on the second night.

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onetexan

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18. whoa, i don't see Kobluchar or Gillibrand on that list, but Yang is?
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 06:03 PM
Jun 2019

headscratcher

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thesquanderer

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19. I didn't list anyone who was under 1%.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 06:19 PM
Jun 2019

Klobuchar ended up at .5% (which was actually still a big gain for her, from nothing).

Gillibrand ended up at .3% (losing half her support, as she had come in with .6%)

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crazytown

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22. Thankyou for your hard work putting these numbers together.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 07:32 PM
Jun 2019

(Harris aside - of course) it is interesting how closely those numbers correspond with the average national polls. Pete is down a bit, but otherwise those percentages look very familiar.

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hlthe2b

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9. It says only half of those polled actually watched both debates: that's a problem
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:06 PM
Jun 2019

Notes on the methodology: All the data presented here comes from polling done by Morning Consult for FiveThirtyEight. Morning Consult conducted an online “panel” survey with three rounds of polling (respondents from the first round are reinterviewed in rounds two and three). One round of polling was conducted before the debates began, with follow-up rounds being conducted after each debate. The first wave of the poll was in the field from June 19 to June 26 among 7,150 registered voters who say they are likely to vote in their state’s Democratic primary or caucus. It has a margin of error of +/- 1 percentage point using the 2016 Democratic primary electorate as the true population.

The second wave of the poll was conducted from June 26 to June 27 among 2,041 respondents who previously responded to the first wave; it has a margin of error of +/- 2 percentage points. Of those respondents, 1,134 watched the first debate.

---> Just over half watched the first debate


The third wave of the poll was conducted from June 27 to June 28 among 1,399 respondents who previously responded to the first wave, including 428 who responded to both the first and second waves; it has a margin of error of +/- 3 percentage points. Of those respondents, 97 watched the first debate, 89 watched the second debate and 757 watched both debates.
--> 97/1399 watched first debate (0.69%); 89/1399 watched the second (0.6.3%); 757/1399 watched both debates (54%)
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HerbChestnut

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10. Welcome to American democracy.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:10 PM
Jun 2019

Most people will hear about the debates through the news anyway.

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HerbChestnut

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5. Thanks, crazytown.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 04:52 PM
Jun 2019

I was referencing the graphic below that though. Unfortunately, I don't know how to post it so it will show up here.

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crazytown

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7. I have to rely on screenshots
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 04:56 PM
Jun 2019

which I resize and upload to imgur.

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Perseus

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11. Bill de Blasio did great, why are they not considering him?
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:11 PM
Jun 2019

Voters in USA are so blinded by facial recognition that we cannot sit to evaluate objectively everyone in the debate. I urge everyone to find the video and review it, you will find out that Bill de Blasio was one of the best that day.

He was not being asked much, but he took his opportunities, did not allow the moderators to shut him up, spoke eloquently, made his points very clear and showed that he will intimidate the buffoon, that he will grab both the buffoon and Putin by the neck and won't let go until they cry uncle. He has done well for New York, he is in New York with access to information from the buffoon and his family, I never considered him before, but I think he is what we need.

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HerbChestnut

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12. de Blasio went from 0% to 0.3% support.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:14 PM
Jun 2019

He even had 0.9% after the first night but lost most of that after the second night. So he technically tripled his support

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Curky

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15. Tulsi vote share unchanged
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:53 PM
Jun 2019

Undermining the right wing claim that she won the first debate.

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thesquanderer

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16. My predictions went pretty well.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:56 PM
Jun 2019

In my Wednesday Debate predictions I said Warren would come out on top and see her numbers go up... and that's what happened, at least according to this report. Though I did not predict any bump for Castro, and he did get a small one.

In my Thursday Debate predictions I said that Biden would not see any bounce, and that if he actually dipped, Sanders could get a boost, and that's what happened. I also said that Harris was among the few who had the potential to see a significant bounce.

Maybe I can apply to be a pundit.

p.s. -- Warren actually impressed me even more than expected, prompting me to switch my support from Pete to her.

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aikoaiko

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20. And they earned their bumps.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 06:42 PM
Jun 2019

Especially KH.
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