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[Takket]

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[hlthe2b]

1. So too with Sanders... The good news, though is both would have expedited special elections

The good news for Democrats is that both Massachusetts and Vermont have laws that call for expedited special elections to fill Senate seats, so an appointed Republican might not be in place very long (unless of course the appointee were to win the special election).

[riverine]

3. Scott Brown might want his old job back

you never know

[TheCowsCameHome]

6. Why would he -

He's got the world by the jewels, a do-nothing dream job in a beautiful place, far from the Asshole-In-Chief.

[Takket]

37. ahhhhhhhhhhh I did not know that. Well that makes me feel better :)

Warren is a close #2 for me. REALLY like her. Feel better about her being the nominee now.

[BeyondGeography]

2. It's not that simple

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wwlp.com/news/state-politics/if-senator-warren-becomes-president-what-happens-to-her-senate-seat/amp/

[Gothmog]

4. Vermont also has a GOP governor

IF sanders is on the ticket and win, we will lose that senate seat

[OKNancy]

7. I don't think a Democratic seat is in danger in Massachusetts

However, as a national candidate in the general election, it worries me that Warren would not get an electoral advantage being from Ma.
The last POTUS from Massachusetts was in 1960 and that was a squeaker.

I hope people think hard about their choice and think about the electoral college.

[TheCowsCameHome]

8. We thought that once before

we wound up with Scott Brown, last time around some unknown wacko local rep. polled around 28% against her.

Take NOTHING for granted, even in the quote-unquote blue strongholds.

[BeyondGeography]

9. Except Warren's an Okie

They’ll paint her as an elitist Ivy Leaguer but as soon as she starts talking about mommas and their babies that’ll fall apart.

Eg, has this ever been said about a “Massachusetts” candidate? This is a quote from a campaign stop in Kermit, WV:

LeeAnn Blankenship, a 38-year-old coach and supervisor at a home visitation company who grew up in Kermit and wore a sharp pink suit, said she may now support Warren in 2020 after voting for Trump in 2016.

“She’s a good ol’ country girl like anyone else,” she said of Warren, who grew up in Oklahoma. “She’s earned where she is, it wasn’t given to her. I respect that.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/11/warren-west-virginia-2020-1317611

[appalachiablue]

11. Okies are OK!

[pangaia]

13. Mickey Mantle was from Oklahoma.

I mean, how bad could the place be??

[OKNancy]

17. LOL - One of my childhood heroes

[pangaia]

25. I saw him play numerous times as a kid at the REAL Yankee Stadium.

The ONLY,, only signed baseball I have and my dad got it a when we were at a game quite a while before. I brought it to every game I went to waiting for the chance to get him to sign it.

Finally lucked out.

[OKNancy]

27. As a girl I just loved the Yankees.. and I was living in Norman Oklahoma

For book reports I got biographies and non-fiction books about Mantle, Maris and Yogi Berra.
Finally my teacher told me she didn't think it was appropriate for a girl to be doing all her book reports about baseball.

I think that is when I became a feminist.

[pangaia]

28. Shoulda become a baseball player !!!

THAT would showed 'em.


LOL..

[OKNancy]

29. No girls baseball in the 50s and 60s

except playing with the boys in the backyard of my neighbors. I did run track and was the fastest girl in Norman in the 6th grade.
But things change, and I became a cheerleader which was an outlet to do something athletic. Later studied dance became a dancer and taught ballet, tap and jazz in my own studio for 35+years.

Thanks for this side-thread... fun to think back on those days.

[pangaia]

34. I can still remember the smell of the men's room there.. LOL..

Wow, you've had quite the exciting life...

I was on the road to becoming a percussionist in JRHS/HS and have spent my life doing that.
But, I also played BB in those early years. ..

Little League, Babe Ruth, and American Legion. It was one night in an American Legion game,,when the opposing pitcher was also on my HS team.(I was not on the HS team.) He had just been drafted by the Chicago White Sox. It was the first (and only) time in my life I faced a guy who could throw a 90 MPH fastball--- at 17 years old !

I will never forget. it. The first pitch.. I really could not see it.. much. I knew it was at about chest height. Which meant close to my head...
But I heard it.. wwwwwhhhhhhhrump!
And I felt the breeze.

Scared the living shit out of me! I just let him throw 2 more. And sat down. I refused to bat against him again.

It was at that moment that I realized I was not cut out for baseball !!

[appalachiablue]

19. Many noted folks from OK: Will Rogers, Brat Pitt, Wes Studi, Alfrie Woodard,

Woody Guthrie...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_from_Oklahoma

[pangaia]

26. My mom met Will Rogers on a flight. She was a stewardess for AA

She also met Eleanor Rossevelt several times on flights. In fact, ER taught my mom how to knit.

How cool is that??

[BeyondGeography]

14. You bet!

Love the way Warren says that phrase. There isn’t a single native New Englander who can pull that off.

Watch starting around the 50-second mark:

[appalachiablue]

21. #19, many good Okies. EW's roots & upbringing are there, it shaped her.

Warren is ready for this job and to fight if needed, in the best way. I love it. Her courage and strength are so inspiring.

I was born 20 miles from Kermit, WV and grew up in WV, left at age 18-19 like Warren. BUT, that state educated me and gave me my background, no doubt about it.

[NNadir]

35. Well, after that, I'm signing on for the time being.

[OKNancy]

12. She may have been born here but she is no Okie any more than

Daniel Patrick Moynihan was an Okie. He was born here in Oklahoma. She only spent the first 16 of her 70 years here in Oklahoma.
Absolutely no one in my state considers her an "Okie".
The whole "Okie girl" is a sham.

ETA: and even if people consider her an Okie, she won't get Oklahoma's 7 electoral votes..or Texas or anywhere in red states Trump won.

She gives no electoral college advantage.

[BeyondGeography]

15. I see you're very open-minded on the subject

[Turin_C3PO]

18. Biden says he's a Scranton guy

and he moved when he was a kid (and I’m ok with him calling himself that). Elizabeth has country girl credibility, I think she could win a general election. Doubtless that she’d lose Oklahoma (so would Biden) but I think she’d do fine in the rust belt. People tend to like her as they listen to her. That’s why she’s currently my #2.

[OKNancy]

22. She isn't a "country girl" that is what annoys me

I was born in Norman the same year she was. I lived there until I moved to Tulsa in 1976.
Norman was an oasis in the state. It is a college town. The schools were the best. Many teachers were professors wives and every school bond was always passed with huge majorities.
Norman and even Oklahoma City* are not "country".

* Classen High School where she attended in OKC was the "upper class" school there. Even though she was middle class she attended the primo high school there.

[BeyondGeography]

24. She's a helluva lot closer to country than Yankee

Your original point about her being a Massachusetts candidate is way off the mark.

[bluewater]

20. She only spent the first 16 years of her 70 years [in Oklahoma]

Well, that's more than the 11 years Joe Biden spent in Scranton, PA.

Warren was born Elizabeth Ann Herring in Oklahoma City on June 22, 1949,[6][7][8][9] the fourth child of middle-class parents Pauline (née Reed, 1912–1995) and Donald Jones Herring (1911–1997). Warren has described her family as teetering "on the ragged edge of the middle class" and "kind of hanging on at the edges by our fingernails".[10][11] She had three older brothers and was raised Methodist.[12][13]

Warren's "A minimum-wage job saved my family" (3:28)
Warren lived in Norman until she was 11 years old, when her family moved to Oklahoma City.[11] When she was 12, her father, a salesman at Montgomery Ward,[11] had a heart attack, which led to many medical bills as well as a pay cut because he could not do his previous work.[8] He later worked as a custodian for an apartment building.[14] Eventually, the family's car was repossessed because they failed to make loan payments. To help the family finances, her mother found work in the catalog order department at Sears.[8] When she was 13, Warren started waiting tables at her aunt's restaurant.[15][16]

Warren became a star member of the debate team at Northwest Classen High School and won the state high school debating championship. She also won a debate scholarship to George Washington University (GWU) at the age of 16.[8] She initially aspired to be a teacher, but left GWU after two years in 1968 to marry Jim Warren, whom she met in high school.[15][8][17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Warren#Early_life,_education,_and_family

So, Warren got a college scholarship to George Washington University at age 16. Left after 2 years to marry her high school sweetheart. Then they moved to Houston at age 19. The rest is history...


man o man... If THAT isn't a Down Home story about an Oklahoma girl that made good, I don't know what is.

[LAS14]

10. Hmmm.... Something we need to consider. The senate is CRITICAL!!!!! NT

[Skya Rhen]

16. I believe that it will end up working out that way.

[shanny]

23. Senatorial vacancies in MA are filled by special election (inside 6 mos iirc).

Gov could appoint an interim senator before that election.

[sheshe2]

31. MA holds a special election.

The Governor does NOT replace the empty seat.

The 2004 law mandated a special election within 145-160 days of a vacancy in one of the state's two U.S. Senate seats. Such a vacancy is likely if President Barack Obama's nomination of Kerry to be secretary of state goes as expected and he's confirmed by his Senate colleagues.

Prior to 2004, the state's governor was empowered to fill a Senate vacancy until the next state election. It happened in 1960 after John F. Kennedy won the White House. The Democratic governor appointed a Kennedy family friend to keep JFK's Senate seat warm until his younger brother, Edward Kennedy, turned 30 and was constitutionally old enough to run in 1962.

The heavily Democratic state Legislature changed the law — over Romney's veto — after Kerry secured the Democratic presidential nomination. Romney sought a last-minute compromise, one that would allow him to pick a temporary senator until the special election in four or five months, but Democrats would have no part of it.

It all went for naught, of course. Kerry lost the election to President George W. Bush and remained in the Senate. The new law wasn't exercised at the time but is now poised for its second test in less than four years.

https://www.wbur.org/news/2013/01/20/senate-vacancy-law

MA lost Ted's seat to Scott Brown because Martha Coakley thought she was a shoe in. She ran a dismal campaign.

[Kurt V.]

33. over the last few decades our government has become much more *presidential* .

concerning power. it would be better to have warren in that position than a senator.

[Honeycombe8]

36. Yikes! nt

[Takket]

38. going to self delete and lock, since this really isn't a problem....... good luck Warren! :)