Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumI'm sick of Democrats calling other Democrats racist for a 1% poll bump.
It doesn't get any more selfish than that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)In politics has gotten out of hand. And if it sticks, it can hurt. One of the problems with unfounded or deceptive insinuations is that there is so much of the above really going on and its toxic.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Galraedia
(5,015 posts)For white males
Think about that for a second. They are saying that because a person is white that discrimination literally cannot exist. You either believe all racism is wrong or you don't.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)But thankfully, there is no institutional discrimination against white males... despite the desire to affect a trendy oppression.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amishman
(5,541 posts)At times it feels like it is used as a conversation stopper to suppress dissent.
Yes racism and sexism are prevalent and a problem, but the accusation is being made far too casually. It is a serious subject and casual/overuse undermines what we want to accomplish.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Next ...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bluewater
(5,376 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,674 posts)silly silly for the OP to say
also NO ONE called Biden a racist, complete rubbish
and all his drop is on him, he is the one making mistakes
it is oh so questionable to think he can keep doing those, putting in performances like he has at, for example, at the Poor People's Campaign or the debate (plus problematic statements like the NRA is not the enemy, or a hoodie wearing black kid may be next poet laureate not a gangbanger, etc etc etc) and take on the madman monster Rump one on one
the primaries are not designed to be coronation or a lovefest or a dog and pony show or kabuki theatre
no candidates are going to get a pass through
not Pete, not Joe, not Kamala, not Warren, not Bernie, not any of them
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stopbush
(24,378 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SunsetDreams2
(268 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Galraedia
(5,015 posts)That is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen a democrat do to another democrat on a debate stage. Kamala Harris should worry about her own record first. She supported keeping non-violent offenders in prison because letting them out would lower the prison labor, didn't prosecute Steve Mnuchin who later donated to her campaign, left an innocent man in prison 2 years after he was exonerated, put parents in jail for truancy...etc.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Heres a clue - when people claim someone is the least racist guy on the planet, nothing they say after that has an ounce of credibility since only someone who knows absolutely nothing about race would say anything so ridiculous (the same goes for he doesnt have a racist bone in his body).
You might want to find some different terminology to defend your guy if you want to be taken seriously by anyone who knows better.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Galraedia
(5,015 posts)If I wanted to support a white nationalist I'd have voted for Trump in 2016 and not Hillary Clinton. All you and Kamala Harris care about is calling every white person, including those in your own party, a racist or at least inferring they're racist.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MontanaFarmer
(630 posts)is different than calling him a racist. Harris said that first, and i think it's true. If calling out an individual's support for policies that made life worse for black people, or at least didn't make it better, is taken by that person and their supporters as calling them racist, perhaps some further self-examination is warranted.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,455 posts)... if you want to be taken seriously by anyone who knows better.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Bemusing will be the rationalization to follow.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,455 posts)As I've explained to you many times before, there will be no discussion with you since you are simply making personal attacks and do not deserve any response other than to tell you, again, that your stalking has no effect on me other than amusement.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
58Sunliner
(4,339 posts)and smear them by association, don't claim to have credibility, or an ounce of honesty.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)You don't want to take a look at the 94 crime bill, do you?
And we won't talk about the bankruptcy bill. And if you think Sen Harris is bad re: Mnuchin, wait til you get a load of what Biden did to be one of the best friends of big banks.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Galraedia
(5,015 posts)Or something Kamala Harris was doing just a few years ago.?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)was in 2005. Which do you think impacted more people?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Galraedia
(5,015 posts)But I'll give you that and agree that it was wrong. However, Republicans were going to pass it with or without his help.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/6/18518381/baccpa-bankruptcy-bill-2005-biden-warren
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)The story is that she held a fundraiser hosted by a former Wells Fargo executive, not the CEO. And, of course, he is no longer associated with the company, whereas the execs Biden coddled were actively with the company when he was doing their work for them and shepherded bill after bill that was friendly to the industry through congress--not just one bankruptcy bill. You don't think MBNA hired Hunter straight our of law school just because he was so brilliant, do you?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(42,674 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,674 posts)Miguel Bustos, worked from 2013 to 2017 as Wells Fargos senior vice president of government and community relations, where he oversaw lobbying and community outreach efforts in six western states: California, Oregon, Washington, Alaska, Montana and Utah.
He wasn't even national level, and was probably barely in the top 100 in the overall corporate food chain.
He also was a big part (director of Latinx outreach) of Al Gore's campaign in 2000 and worked in the Clinton White House. Also worked for Barbara Lee and Ron Dellums.
this was his 'big role' in the Wells Fargo mess
During the scandal, Bustos defended the bank when the city council of Vallejo, California, considered moving its accounts away from Wells Fargo. While Bustos admitted the bank had made mistakes, he also pleaded with the city council to stick with it.
The one thing I learned in life is that no one is perfect, no one, he said, according to a September 2017 article in the Vallejo Times-Herald. But one thing I learned is that you have forgiveness and you have redemption. What we are asking is, you know what, work with us to be a better bank.
The city council eventually voted to cut ties with Wells Fargo.
He worked mainly in philanthropics before and after his 4 year placement at Wells Fargo
https://www.linkedin.com/in/miguelbustos/
Experience
GLIDEsf
Senior Director, Center for Social Justice
LocationSan Francisco
The Center for Social Justice is involved in innovative approaches and solutions, including an unprecedented training experience for California police departments and District Attorneys for working with homeless and drug-engaged populations, a unique pilgrimage model of community building for racial truth-telling and reconciliation, and coalition-based drafting of key local legislation funding affordable housing and homeless-intervention services.
Director of Intergovernmental Affairs
Company NameOffice of Mayor Ron Dellums
Served as the Mayors Senior Policy Advisor and Strategic Public/Private Partnerships Counselor.
Managed the city's Bank on Oakland program aimed at banking the unbanked throughout Alameda County by providing financial literacy opportunities and assisting the unbanked, such as students, parents and laborers, in establishing bank accounts....
Congresswoman Barbara Lee
Deputy District Director
Co-directed the Congressional District Office for the East Bay, covering the cities of Oakland, Berkeley, Alameda, Albany, Piedmont, San Leandro, and Emeryville.
Developed district-wide policy priorities, such as financial literacy, economic empowerment, environmental sustainability, education, health, workforce development, and housing....
https://hiponline.org/five-directors-on-expanded-hip-board-bring-varied-areas-of-expertise/
Miguel Bustos, who is based in his native San Francisco, is the Wells Fargo senior vice president, community relations, and outreach regional director for Northern and Central California, Montana, and Alaska. He previously managed grantmaking for the Levi Strauss Foundation in Latin America and Canada focusing on HIV/AIDS, asset building, and workers rights, as well as being responsible for Community Involvement Teams in both places. He was also responsible for the foundations U.S. HIV/AIDS grantmaking endeavors.
Beyond the philanthropic sector, Miguel has been a distinguished public servant who advised President Clinton and Vice President Gore at the White House, and worked for U.S. Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Oakland). He also served as director of boards and commissions under then-San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom and as director of intergovernmental affairs for then-Oakland Mayor Ronald V. Dellums.
He earned a bachelor of arts degree in international affairs from Holy Names University, in Oakland, California; a master of arts degree in international relations from American University, in Washington, D.C., and a masters degree in business administration with a focus on corporate social responsibility from St. Marys College of California. In addition to joining the HIP board, Miguel also currently sits on the boards of Glide Memorial Church and the Mexican Museum, both in San Francisco.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)to better prevent holding our own candidates to our own standards.
Brilliant.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)deterrence courts, community policing, gang prevention.
The victims of crimes during the crack epidemic were who? Rich whites? No. 95% law abiding citizens were living with the 5% who preyed upon predominantly black neighborhoods, black families, black children.
There was an outcry from these neighborhoods for law enforcement and the justice system to take firm action to rid communities of carjackings, crack house crime, gangs, drive by shootings, gang recruitment, murderers...
Yes, unintended consequences of crack vs. cocaine penalties, third strikes bad idea in practice but was to remedy revolving door residents were so sick of.
Caused mass incarceration? Mass incarceration had many factors contributing to it and the lead-up was years before 1994.
Biden has pointed out the parts of the crime bill he need never disown and the racially disproportionate penalties for crack vs. cocaine he would change. He has also pointed out the role that states played in enacting parts of the bill.
This bill did not arise out of racial animus. It was not in its parts or its sum intended to punish one part of the population for the racist will of another.
It was actually intended to heed a call for law enforcement and the justice system to stop dismissing black crime victims and ignoring black communities where the burden of the crack
Epidemic and its related crime fell so heavily.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)You can also defend his bills coddling the banking industry and his work on the bankruptcy bill. I'll bet they'll play great post-great recession.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)and urged by representatives to reject, his bank coddling and bankruptcy bills contemporaneously
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)Even Cory acknowledged that in one week, 7 people were shot in his Newark neighborhood.I often say, Cory wouldn't make it out of his neighborhood without a security detail. The only difference since 1994 is, I don't believe crack is the cause. I believe it's just gang bangers who get off on harming other people. I moved out of Newark because of my fear of just leaving my neighborhood.
It's easy for people to who don't live in crime infested areas to bleat about how it's destroying families. Please. The only families being destroyed are the families of the victims.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kaleva
(36,147 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Galraedia
(5,015 posts)https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2012-aug-21-la-me-innocent-20120821-story.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kaleva
(36,147 posts)The judge could have released Larsen but she chose not to.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,606 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)did I miss something?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Kaleva
(36,147 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)to bits in that war...I was that young mans mother.
I dont think youre a murderer, but you voted for abortion rights. There was a mother who almost
aborted...I am that child.
I dont think you were an unethical prosecutor, Kamala, but...
I don't think you were a part of the Catholic Churchs efforts to cover up rampant pedophile sex abuse, but...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kaleva
(36,147 posts)The majority of German soldiers were not members of the Nazi party and it would have been erroneous to label all as such.
Most Catholic priests are not pedophiles but it would be quite okay to take such Catholic priests who had knowledge of priests committing abuse to task for not speaking out or taking action.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kaleva
(36,147 posts)Guilty by association.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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pnwmom
(108,925 posts)She wanted to know what his current views were, and if they had changed since he worked with Eastland against busing for desecration.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)He didn't oppose busing and he didn't oppose her program, which was not federally mandated. It was voluntarily established by the city -- which is exactly what Biden supported, then and now. As far as the debate goes, he won the point.
And that's when the sparks really started to fly, if I can put that politely.
You can read the full transcript here: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/full-transcript-2019-democratic-debate-night-two-sortable-topic-n1023601
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)is when they consistently repeat a proven and provable misstatement about his record and how he described it.
You can say it as often as you want, but repeating over and over the same false information wont turn it into fact.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=181783
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)But I believe we already established that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Have you read his amendment? Even HE said that it would cut the funding for and put other restrictions on voluntary busing programs but wouldnt touch court-ordered busing.
He also did other things to make clear he opposed busing and never at the time made any distinction between court-ordered busing and voluntary busing. For example, he consistently criticized all busing, calling it a bankrupt concept, among other things. Only recently did he start saying that it was only court-ordered busing he objected to, a claim completely contradicted by his own actions and words at the time.
I dont expect you to accept this or to stop repeating the falsehood that he opposed only court-ordered busing (which was also debunked by Politifact, which found it to be mostly false). His actual position has been explained repeatedly and in considerable detail here and elsewhere and sources and quotes and links to legislation and his statements at the time have been posted over and over. But these facts have been ignored by people who keep making the same false claim.
But the facts are the facts, whether people acknowledge them or not.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Yes I read the two links, and did not find them compelling. No one has shown any evidence that Biden opposed local busing, only that he did not want the federal government forcing it on communities. There are other remedies to segregation and that one was intensely hated.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)If nothing else, it might help prevent you from saying something as ridiculous as calling the federal funds Biden sought to slash transit funds.
And you also just contradicted yourself. If Biden tried to cut funding for voluntary busing programs, which he did, you can no longer claim that he was only opposed to the federal government forcing it on communities since the programs Biden tried to unfund werent forced on communities but were created voluntarily at the local level without any federal mandate. If Biden had his way and his legislation had become law, the voluntary programs he now claims to have supported would have been destroyed.
And, finally, apparently dont realize that your Objection to the federal government forcing something I look up and this is a classic States Rights argument consistently used by Republicans and conservatives to keep the federal government from checking the rights of citizens. Its the same argument used by anti-choice proponents who insist that portion rights should be determined at the local level. Its the same argument used by anti-gay rights activists to insist that the federal government has no right to mandate state to recognize gay marriage. Its the same argument used by the Conservative majority on the Supreme Court when it be wrong to that section 5 of the Voting Rights Act was an unlawful intrusions into state election processes.
So you might want to rethink that we dont need the federal government coming in here telling us we have to integrate our schools argument.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Taking away a transit subsidy and what Biden saw as objectionable requirements linked to it would not have changed the law. That's what you keep missing. Communities -- not states, let's get that right please -- were still obliged to desegregate their schools. Biden thought directing money to busing where it wasn't court-ordered was misguided. He had plenty of company. But it doesn't mean he opposed desegregation and he had no objections to Kamala Harris' Berkeley busing program. And she was wrong to suggest that he did.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Goodnight.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Goodnight.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)general opposition to busing for desegregation -- that a district had deliberately segregated its children.
The Berkeley district had never imposed segregation on its students. It was housing patterns, redlining and whites-only covenants, that kept black children isolated in substandard schools.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)with a distinction between federally ordered vs. district busing plans for integration.
But the reason Berkley established its plan was to avoid having some judge impose one.. Seattle did the same thing -- started its own plan to avoid having one imposed.
Kamala wouldn't have been on her bus if Biden had had his way. Her district didn't meet the one criterion he had: Biden said he would accept busing if it a district had actively practiced segregation. But Berkeley's segregation was caused by housing patterns related to redlining, not school district choices, so Berkley's plan would have been condemned by him, too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CNN fact-checked the exchange
https://twitter.com/ddale8
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@ddale8
Reporter for CNN, fact-checking politicians.
Washington DC
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1144461457624403974.html
Daniel Dale
@ddale8
7 hours ago, 6 tweets, 1 min read
Biden's remarks on busing in the 1970s were generally very unequivocal -- "I oppose busing. It's an asinine concept." "A bankrupt concept." "Busing does not work." He expressed pride for making anti-busing sentiment "respectable" among liberals.
As recently re-reported by WaPo, Biden said things like this about busing: What it says is, In order for your child with curly black hair, brown eyes, and dark skin to be able to learn anything, he needs to sit next to my blond-haired, blue-eyed son. Thats racist!"
It wasn't just words: working with avowed racists, Biden pushed legislation to make it difficult to run busing programs. There *was* a caveat: he said he would support busing in cases where it'd been proven that a community had been intentionally segregated. But otherwise no.
Biden's campaign says that his position on busing would not have stopped the particular local busing program that Kamala Harris was a part of, since it was voluntarily adopted by the local community. In general, though: she was not mischaracterizing his opposition to busing. Biden campaigns argument is that him saying in the 70s that he opposed busing was understood then to mean he simply opposed federal-mandated busing, not all busing. Like when GOP said under Obama they oppose health reform, was obvious it meant Obamacare, not all health reform.
here is the WaPo article referenced
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bidens-tough-talk-on-1970s-school-desegregation-plan-could-get-new-scrutiny-in-todays-democratic-party/2019/03/07/9115583e-3eb2-11e9-a0d3-1210e58a94cf_story.html?utm_term=.fda4f19c0134
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Don't you?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,674 posts)was 2 weeks ago, the demand for Booker to apologise was the day after that
Joe brought all of it into the present
plus is adding new, non historical problematic statements to the mix (the NRA is not the enemy, the hoodie/poet laurate/not a gangbanger cringer, etc)
zero chance any of this particular shite would have come into the debate if he had better political skills and discipline
self-inflicted damage, just like 1988 and 2008
déjà vu
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And Biden called her on it. Of course the media which pays no attention to anything but their own clumsy narratives isn't about to explain that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)for a long time.
It's part of his repertoire, so she called him on it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(12,629 posts)up by bragging about how he could work with anyone, citing the vile racist shithead Eastland as an example, right?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)I have no guilt from anything that happened before I was alive.
I do want everyone in this Country to have equal rights. Forced busing took that equal right away for all. Those who could afford it decided they would not be coerced.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,674 posts)It goes far beyond just the education system.
The truly problematic stance was the fallback to a state's rights defence coupled with he old de jure versus de facto pea and shell game (and Biden DIRECTLY used this line/excuse/rationalisation back then in the 70's, the 80's, the 90's and onward, leading right up to the Thursday debate and other recent venues) that oh so many of the non-southern cities hid behind and used to justify their maintaining a systemic, widespread, endemic system of racial segregation and inequity.
Of course he was ok with a VOLUNTARY bussing programme, but god forbid a NON DE JURE segregated city (in other words a DE FACTO segregated city) refused to address its systemic racial inequity (and again, I am NOT just talking educational racial discrimination and disparate impact).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1978/08/24/senate-rejects-amendment-to-restrict-judges-authority-on-school-busing/6ba7d8ed-d746-46c5-8aa9-51e134ec89bc/?utm_term=.552468cca54f
https://books.google.se/books?id=ZFQE3bLDsS4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Between+North+and+South:+Delaware,+Desegregation,+and+the+Myth+of+American&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjI3vygyYzjAhXyxcQBHYohDEIQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=Between%20North%20and%20South%3A%20Delaware%2C%20Desegregation%2C%20and%20the%20Myth%20of%20American&f=false
He supported a wide-reaching Jesse Helms anti-integration (not just bussing) amendment
How a Young Joe Biden Turned Liberals Against Integration
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/joe-biden-integration-school-busing-120968?o=1
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Sen. Jesse Helms, a Republican from North Carolina, was the first to strike. On September 17, 1975, when a larger education bill came up for debate, Helms offered a crippling anti-integration amendment. It would prevent the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare (HEW) from collecting any data about the race of students or teachers. In addition, HEW could not require any school
to classify teachers or students by race. Thus, HEW could not withhold funding from school districts that refused to integrate. This is an antibusing amendment, Helms explained. This is an amendment to stop the current regiments of faceless, federal bureaucrats from destroying our schools.
Biden rose to support Helmss amendment. I am sure it comes as a surprise to some of my colleagues
that a senator with a voting record such as mine stands up and supports [the Helms amendment]. Helms replied that he was happy to welcome Biden to the ranks of the enlightened. After the laughter died down, Biden launched an anti-busing screed. I have become convinced that busing is a bankrupt concept. The Senate should declare busing a failure, and focus instead on whether or not we are really going to provide a better educational opportunity for blacks and minority groups in this country. He praised Ed Brookes initiatives on housing, job opportunities and voting rights. In one breath, Biden seemed to reject busing in the North and the South, and claimed that he was committed to equal opportunity for African Americans.
A few other senators spoke briefly about the amendment, then Brooke sprung to action. The Helms amendment would eviscerate Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, Brooke said, which enabled HEW to cut off funding to school districts that refused to integrate. Brooke asserted that the federal government should attempt other integration remedies before resorting to busing. But if compliance with the law cannot be achieved without busing, then busing must be one of the available desegregation remedies. Brooke introduced a motion to table Helmss amendment. Brookes motion passed, 48-43. Biden wouldnt budge, and voted with Jesse Helms and the anti-bussers.
Brooke had fought this fight before, but he would face a more formidable adversary in Joe Biden. When a southern conservative like Helms led the anti-busing forces, Ed Brooke could still rally his troops. But it would be tougher to combat the anti-busing faction when its messenger was a young liberal from a border state.
Immediately after the Helms amendment was tabled, Biden proposed his own amendment to the $36 billion education bill, stipulating that none of those federal funds could be used by school systems to assign teachers or students to schools
for reasons of race. His amendment would prevent some faceless bureaucrat from deciding that any child, black or white, should fit in some predetermined ratio. He explained, All the amendment says is that some bureaucrat sitting down there in HEW cannot tell a school district whether it is properly segregated or desegregated, or whether it should or should not have funds. Finally, Biden called busing an asinine policy.
Brooke pointed out that the amendment would do much more than Biden claimed. Like the Helms gambit, it would still gut Title VI of the Civil Rights Act. But this time, a number of liberal senators that had opposed Helmss amendment now supported Biden: Warren Magnuson and Scoop Jackson of Washington, where Seattle faced impending integration orders; and Thomas Eagleton and Stuart Symington of Missouri, where Kansas City confronted a similar fate. Mike Mansfield, the majority leader from Montana, also jumped on board. Watching his liberal colleagues defect, Republican Jacob Javits of New York mused, Theyre scared to death on busing. The Senate approved Bidens amendment. Biden had managed to turn a 48-43 loss for the anti-busing forces into a 50-43 victory.
In a seminal moment, the Senate thus turned against desegregation. The Senate had supported the 1964 Civil Rights Act, 1965 Voting Rights Act and 1968 Fair Housing Act. In the early 1970s, as President Richard Nixon and the House of Representatives encouraged the anti-busing movement, the Senate remained the last bastion for those who supported strong integration policies. Biden stormed that bastion, and it seemed to be falling. On September 23, another border-state Democrat moved against busing. Robert Byrd, the West Virginian who had since repudiated his Klan past, offered a perfecting amendment. It would prohibit busing beyond a students nearest school. It passed the Senate by a vote of 51-45.
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I must stress that the Helms amendment that Biden supported on multiple occasions went far beyond just bussing.
and Biden's own amendment was passed
Brooke pointed out that the amendment would do much more than Biden claimed. Like the Helms gambit, it would still gut Title VI of the Civil Rights Act.
That denied federal funds for remedies for both de jure (Southern-style) AND de facto (Northern style) segregation.
Biden also was still supporting the Helms amendment being passed in the 1980's
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/97-1981/s240
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bidens-tough-talk-on-1970s-school-desegregation-plan-could-get-new-scrutiny-in-todays-democratic-party/2019/03/07/9115583e-3eb2-11e9-a0d3-1210e58a94cf_story.html?utm_term=.d00ba40bd56c
finally
an article that debunks the tired old argument that bussing never worked, isnt working now, and never will:
Forced busing didnt fail. Desegregation is the best way to improve our schools.
Racial achievement gaps were narrowest at the height of school integration.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/10/23/forced-busing-didnt-fail-desegregation-is-the-best-way-to-improve-our-schools/?utm_term=.754bfe081c9d
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)dragged their feet desegregating schools and ensuring equal educational opportunities. Its that simple. Im disappointed in Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)and that's what Joe supported. He didn't oppose busing and he didn't oppose desegregation. And the 1964 Civil Rights Act doesn't even mention busing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)Then he was against busing for desegregation, period.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1144461457624403974.html?fbclid=IwAR2KXpRbKeYFdthn1mMaaIA1a7zRBOY7kOB6DRTiY8YQyc_6kFDx6Rm2298
Biden's claim tonight that he only opposed federally mandated busing and did not generally oppose "busing in America" was a flagrant misrepresentation of his position in the '70s and '80s. He'd made crystal clear he opposed busing as a concept, as a matter of principle.
Biden's remarks on busing in the 1970s were generally very unequivocal -- "I oppose busing. It's an asinine concept." "A bankrupt concept." "Busing does not work." He expressed pride for making anti-busing sentiment "respectable" among liberals.
As recently re-reported by WaPo, Biden said things like this about busing: What it says is, In order for your child with curly black hair, brown eyes, and dark skin to be able to learn anything, he needs to sit next to my blond-haired, blue-eyed son. Thats racist!"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(42,674 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(12,629 posts)I read here that she prepared for the debate! What sort of person does that?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(42,674 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(12,629 posts)Oh and he is a really lousy candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)threw in $2.5 million? And are you sure it was only a 1% bump?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)We'll lose!
Get it to fucking gather people.
VOTE BLUE and stop being fucking nitpicky.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)vast majority of dem primary voters who like Biden also like Harris. The debate changed nothing. Literally, no one, dems or rethugs believe biden is racist. Its quite the opposite.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)So much worse that it is silly to say such a thing about any Democrat.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(12,629 posts)What amount of bump would make it ok?
Oh and who called who a racist?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mike Nelson
(9,903 posts)
jut guessing this is on the Harris - Biden confrontation? She made it clear she did not think he was a racist. I believe this is because, when it started, he denied he was a racist. Biden denied something that he wasn't accused of.... he's a smart man and he knew the tactic. At the time, I thought it was probably wise to take the "I am not a racist" route. It changes the topic to one Biden can win, from the topic he might not win... nobody thinks he's a racist... the original topic, on segregation, was not a clear winner for Biden. But, Harris came back to the original topic of segregation... advantage Harris. I was wrong in how Biden handled it... he should have stuck to and addressed the segregation stuff...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I'm gonna put in a cabinet called "Never gonna love ya'." Once you go into the cabinet, you can't get out. It automatically locks, and I don't have a key. I can't vote for anyone in the lock box, except under duress.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mcar
(42,210 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jaceaf
(89 posts)I think that was Kamala's point. You may not have hate for someone of color, but it doesn't mean the country's institutional racism isn't working at all levels in your life.
Have you seen the replies in the busing thread? I am disgusted. Things like, we can't win like this (read white people). People buy houses to get access to these segregated schools. Or, this is handing the election to trump voters... etc. etc.
I see the virtue signaling that democrats do. The wink and nudge of someone like Pete does. Let's make sure the white people aren't uncomfortable because they'll vote for trump.
I don't want to live in this country if my first thought is to make sure we don't move forward and acknowledge that being raised in this country means that we are influenced by racism. Let's not pretend anymore that MLK killed racism. It's still here. And the things I have seen among people I considered liberals, ugh. I am tired. Let's face it, let's call it out.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
coeur_de_lion
(3,666 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden