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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 03:08 PM Jul 2019

What Kamala Harris and AOC can't make Joe Biden do

By Joe Lockhart | Fri July 5, 2019

Joe Lockhart was White House press secretary from 1998-2000 in President Bill Clinton's administration.

(CNN) Anyone expecting to see a major reboot in the Biden campaign or a Joe Biden 2.0 just doesn't know the former vice president. He knows what he knows, which isn't everything, and is not likely to refashion his image based on a poll or a debate performance.

But the fact that he sat down for an extended interview with CNN's Chris Cuomo does indicate that Biden and his team recognize they need to do some things differently. First, Biden has to get out on the campaign trail more, something he accomplished over the past few days in Iowa. Second, he needs to be more accessible to the media, which help shape the view of many Democratic voters in the early voting states. In short, he needs to not look like the nomination is his to lose, but instead his to win.

Finally, he needs a better pushback to the kinds of charges directed at him in the Democratic presidential debate by Sen. Kamala Harris. Here was one of the more interesting parts of the Cuomo interview. Biden made clear he was surprised not by the attack, but by the way Harris delivered it, in such a personal way. He implicitly charged Harris with a bit of demagoguery — that she criticized his position while holding essentially the same position herself. But he visibly pulled back from elaborating, saying he is determined to stay above what he calls the scrum.

Is this a good strategy? Can he survive in a modern campaign while not going personally after other Democrats? That remains to be seen. What's not in doubt is he's not likely to change his views.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/05/opinions/joe-biden-lockhart/index.html
..........

This was before Biden's apology speech yesterday, but that would fit in with Lockhart's "Biden 2.0" argument, i.e., that Biden is making adjustments to stay competitive. This seems like the right approach to me ... what do you think?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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What Kamala Harris and AOC can't make Joe Biden do (Original Post) ucrdem Jul 2019 OP
Not sure a Biden 2.0 reboot is going to work... I understand the desperation though. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #1
He still leads in every single RCP poll. ucrdem Jul 2019 #4
But what happens when he isn't leading in every poll? bluewater Jul 2019 #7
Then it's back to the campaign trail. ucrdem Jul 2019 #8
I think Axelrod likes being a pundit bluewater Jul 2019 #10
I think he likes winning more. ucrdem Jul 2019 #13
Well, winning pays better. lol bluewater Jul 2019 #16
He is going to continue leading till he is nominated. NYMinute Jul 2019 #9
It sure looks that way. ucrdem Jul 2019 #12
But how can the one in the lead experience desperation ? treestar Jul 2019 #32
K&R onetexan Jul 2019 #24
Desperation is in the Bernie camp nt NYMinute Jul 2019 #18
He is not desperate. First of all because it isn't in his nature, Second, he's been a heartbeat from emmaverybo Jul 2019 #30
That's the best assessment I've yet seen of Biden and what he needs to do. marylandblue Jul 2019 #2
Well, this was before the apology speech ucrdem Jul 2019 #3
I don't think he should have apologized. marylandblue Jul 2019 #14
I think he took a page from the Obama playbook on that one. ucrdem Jul 2019 #17
I think this places Harris in a spot. She wanted an apology and she got it so it would be a bad look Skya Rhen Jul 2019 #23
I have had it up to here with HARRIS demanding more & more & more. trueblue2007 Jul 2019 #19
Nothing to get upset about really. It's just a political tactic. marylandblue Jul 2019 #21
The media refuses to move on treestar Jul 2019 #33
The candidate has to know how to manipulate the media, marylandblue Jul 2019 #36
Does not sound good treestar Jul 2019 #37
Manipulate sounds more sinister than I mean it to be. I usually call it "media-savvy." marylandblue Jul 2019 #38
Biden's implication is right. Harris did engage in a bit demagoguery. RelativelyJones Jul 2019 #5
And she expected Joe to cave. ucrdem Jul 2019 #6
She wounded herself far more than she wounded Biden. nt NYMinute Jul 2019 #11
It was a really strange tactic. ucrdem Jul 2019 #15
+1 K&R onetexan Jul 2019 #25
All that planning you'd think treestar Jul 2019 #34
Oh that was part of the plan. ucrdem Jul 2019 #35
Joe Biden Is The Only Democrat With A Clear Advantage Over Trump In New Poll Gothmog Jul 2019 #20
Looks like sound advice from Joe Lockhart, ucr.. Cha Jul 2019 #22
Joe said True Blue American Jul 2019 #27
News flash Biden apologized Buzz cook Jul 2019 #26
A half-hearted apology, but better than no apology...smart move by Joe, tho he shoud've gone further InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #31
Yes I think that was the correct move for him but unfortunately that won't stop attacks FloridaBlues Jul 2019 #28
Ocasio-Cortez Gratuitous Hit. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #29
Sauce for the goose. ucrdem Jul 2019 #39
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
1. Not sure a Biden 2.0 reboot is going to work... I understand the desperation though.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 03:18 PM
Jul 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
4. He still leads in every single RCP poll.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 03:25 PM
Jul 2019

Every damn one.

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
7. But what happens when he isn't leading in every poll?
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 03:32 PM
Jul 2019

The field is getting closer every week, and we have only had one debate.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Biden CAN'T keep his lead, but it seems that the "lead" is the main thing people are hanging their hats on.



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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
8. Then it's back to the campaign trail.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 03:35 PM
Jul 2019

And that's where he is now. Maybe more firepower on the campaign staff would help too, though I imagine the really expensive guys like Axelrod are holding off signing anything until the picture is a little clearer.

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
10. I think Axelrod likes being a pundit
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 03:36 PM
Jul 2019

It's less work and I bet pays more.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
13. I think he likes winning more.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 03:39 PM
Jul 2019

Pays better too!

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
16. Well, winning pays better. lol
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 03:43 PM
Jul 2019

That is true.

Axelrod is an interesting personality.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
9. He is going to continue leading till he is nominated.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 03:35 PM
Jul 2019

No one else stands a chance. There is no Barack Obama caliber opponent to him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
12. It sure looks that way.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 03:38 PM
Jul 2019

Harris didn't take him out but she tried to. And now she's back to 3rd-place also-ran selling t-shirts to raise money.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
32. But how can the one in the lead experience desperation ?
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 07:11 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
18. Desperation is in the Bernie camp nt
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 03:56 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
30. He is not desperate. First of all because it isn't in his nature, Second, he's been a heartbeat from
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 05:47 PM
Jul 2019

the presidency, been one of the most powerful VPs in decades. Joe has more good to do. But he’s
not going to go about getting power in a desperate way. Others? I can smell it from here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
2. That's the best assessment I've yet seen of Biden and what he needs to do.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 03:20 PM
Jul 2019

Instead of blaming other politicians, the media and even ordinary people for daring to believe Biden might not be the right nominee, why can't we let Biden himself prove he is the nominee?

I can wholeheartedly support any candidate who wins on merit, but I am going to be bit more doubtful of one who thinks his only problem is that he has too many critics.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
3. Well, this was before the apology speech
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 03:23 PM
Jul 2019

So I think he's taking blame for an accusation that many see as a political stunt. And the busing gotcha was definitely a stunt. So some mild criticism from Joe seems understandable.

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marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
14. I don't think he should have apologized.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 03:40 PM
Jul 2019

I know he likes to be nice, and maybe he's responding to his hit in the polls, but at this point, he should just move on and be himself, sort of like the article says. One of the keys to modern media, whether you apologize or not, is to deal with it fast and then change the topic to something else. Give them some other shiny toy to play with.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
17. I think he took a page from the Obama playbook on that one.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 03:55 PM
Jul 2019

Barack apologized for anything and everything, and it didn't seem to hurt him. It didn't shut up his critics of course, but at least it gave him a chance to put his spin on the controversy du jour. And it kills it as a future debate gotcha. So all told, I think it was probably a net plus.

JMHO of course!

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Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
23. I think this places Harris in a spot. She wanted an apology and she got it so it would be a bad look
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 04:46 PM
Jul 2019

for her to bring this up again.

However, if she decides to repeat this in future debates, she would receive a definite backlash for not letting go of something that has been put to bed.

I believe that Biden's tactic was to deter any future attacks, on this specific topic, by the candidates.

Cory did the right thing by "thanking" Joe for his apology - I'm still waiting to hear from Kamala...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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trueblue2007

(17,205 posts)
19. I have had it up to here with HARRIS demanding more & more & more.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 04:21 PM
Jul 2019

VP Biden has apologized already !!!!

Enough Said and it's time to move on. Biden can not go back and CHANGE what he did ,,,,, no more can she !! She has problems in her background also. Harris should remember the saying :::


"Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones" is a proverb and it means that one should not criticize others, because everybody has faults of one kind or another.

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marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
21. Nothing to get upset about really. It's just a political tactic.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 04:35 PM
Jul 2019

And it's all too common. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

In this case, Harris attacked Biden to prove she can be an attack dog against Trump. She proved she can do that. I don't that's enough to win her the nomination, so I am not that worried about it.

Biden is more likely to be the nominee. In his case, I am worried about his ability to defend against such attacks. So I like the more vigorous Biden of the last few days. He's changing the conversation. He needs to keep it up.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
33. The media refuses to move on
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 07:12 PM
Jul 2019

They haven’t found the next Big Deal yet

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marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
36. The candidate has to know how to manipulate the media,
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 07:20 PM
Jul 2019

not be manipulated by it. Trump knows how. It's the only thing he knows how to do. We better learn. Fast.

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treestar

(82,383 posts)
37. Does not sound good
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 07:23 PM
Jul 2019

Manipulate the media then maybe the voters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
38. Manipulate sounds more sinister than I mean it to be. I usually call it "media-savvy."
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 07:36 PM
Jul 2019

Whatever you call it, Biden needs ways to get the media's attention on stories he wants them to cover and to stay away from stories he doesn't want covered. Obama was very good at this. So good, he made it seem effortless. Trump works at it 24/7. We can't afford to be naive about this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

RelativelyJones

(898 posts)
5. Biden's implication is right. Harris did engage in a bit demagoguery.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 03:26 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
6. And she expected Joe to cave.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 03:32 PM
Jul 2019

There was a story the next day about how she'd rehearsed the whole thing in advance, with a stand-in for Joe giving different responses. But not the one she got, which is causing her problems on the campaign trail. Welp, now she know better.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
11. She wounded herself far more than she wounded Biden. nt
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 03:37 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
15. It was a really strange tactic.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 03:42 PM
Jul 2019

What's the payoff? South Carolina maybe. But if she washes out of Iowa she won't get there. And this is not the Kamala Californians thought they knew, most of us anyway. To be honest, we didn't know much more than that she was endorsed by top Dems and had a dynamite backstory.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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treestar

(82,383 posts)
34. All that planning you'd think
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 07:13 PM
Jul 2019

It could have been on an issue relevant to this year.

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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
35. Oh that was part of the plan.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 07:19 PM
Jul 2019

He was supposed to disintegrate on live TV. "Oh Kamala, I never meant, I didn't know!" Well he did know and he called her on it. Tough breaks for the rookie but she shortened her political shelf-life considerably.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,126 posts)
20. Joe Biden Is The Only Democrat With A Clear Advantage Over Trump In New Poll
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 04:32 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,136 posts)
22. Looks like sound advice from Joe Lockhart, ucr..
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 04:44 PM
Jul 2019

That's what many were saying on here.. when the ".. he should have been prepared.. " charge was levied. "Biden made clear he was surprised not by the attack, but by the way Harris delivered it, in such a personal way" She was the prosecutor!

Finally, he needs a better pushback to the kinds of charges directed at him in the Democratic presidential debate by Sen. Kamala Harris. Here was one of the more interesting parts of the Cuomo interview. Biden made clear he was surprised not by the attack, but by the way Harris delivered it, in such a personal way. He implicitly charged Harris with a bit of demagoguery — that she criticized his position while holding essentially the same position herself. But he visibly pulled back from elaborating, saying he is determined to stay above what he calls the scrum
.
I hope Biden's doesn't go after other Dems.. and just makes the case for himself with excellent pushback on their attacks!

Thank You!
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True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
27. Joe said
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 05:25 PM
Jul 2019

He was not going to attack anyone for their past.

We have heard the attacks, childish name calling for over 3 years now. I am sick of it. Shut up and tell us how you are going to fix the huge problems we face, not pie in the sky ideas.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Buzz cook

(2,471 posts)
26. News flash Biden apologized
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 04:56 PM
Jul 2019
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/06/us/politics/joe-biden-barack-obama-south-carolina.html


“Now, was I wrong a few weeks ago to somehow give the impression to people that I was praising those men who I successfully opposed time and again?” he said. “Yes, I was. I regret it. I’m sorry for any of the pain and misconception I may have caused anybody.”


So Joe 2.0 is on the road. And I say its a good thing.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
31. A half-hearted apology, but better than no apology...smart move by Joe, tho he shoud've gone further
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 07:05 PM
Jul 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

FloridaBlues

(4,007 posts)
28. Yes I think that was the correct move for him but unfortunately that won't stop attacks
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 05:38 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Voltaire2

(13,008 posts)
29. Ocasio-Cortez Gratuitous Hit.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 05:39 PM
Jul 2019

Lockhart is a diehard third way democrat. Harris is fair game because she did in fact toss Biden on the mat in the debate. But Ocasio-Cortez didn’t. She isn’t running against Biden nor has she had much of anything to do with Biden’s recent stumble.
So I guess as long as you are punching candidates to Biden’s left, well you might as well punch Ocasio-Cortez too.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
39. Sauce for the goose.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 07:38 PM
Jul 2019

AOC has been taking pot shots at Biden for weeks.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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