Sorry Bernie

[SHRED]

But I disagree.
I certainly won't miss him.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Remember also...

Perot advocated sending in helicopters and dropping troops into our cities to fight the "drug war".

He was a full-on corporatist/fascist who gave to the far rightwing.
He helped create this mess in a big way.

[HerbChestnut]

1. What does this have to do with the Democratic primary?

Thanks.

[SHRED]

3. It gives us an idea

Where his head is at.
He's a candidate after all.

[SidDithers]

10. A comment made yesterday by one of the Primary candidates...

isn’t relevant to the Primary?



Sid

[Eliot Rosewater]

53. E V E R Y T H I N G for FUCK SAKE

[dalton99a]

2. Ross Perot 1992 NAACP speech clip - "You People"

Talking about the nation's economic problems, Mr. Perot said: "Financially, at least, it's going to be a long, hot summer. I don't have to tell you who gets hurt first when this sort of thing happens, do I? You, your people do. Your people do. I know that and you know that."

https://www.nytimes.com/1992/07/12/us/the-1992-campaign-racial-politics-perot-speech-gets-cool-reception-at-naacp.html

[Cha]

49. Yeah, just who is this Perot guy, really..?

Link to tweet

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. I am disappointed to learn Perot was a Trumper.

[Politicub]

7. Didn't know but not a bit surprised. Most of the rich only care about becoming richer.

To them, it doesn’t matter if the president is Trump, Bush or a shrub, as long as they get their tax cut.

Perot made his money through his outsourcing services company, EDS. Companies could get rid of full time corporate employees from the I.T. department to the mailroom. EDS thrived when lay-off slips flowed.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. The reason I am disappointed is because Perot was a lot of things but hater wasn't one of them.

He might as well have written a check to David Duke.

[Politicub]

11. Didn't know that much about the man except for his presidential run

and the company he started. He completely fell off the radar for me until Hewlett-Packard bought EDS.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. He was a populist and nationalist. I dislike both movements.

But in his defense he never trafficked in racism and imo racism is the defining feature of Trumpism.

[dsc]

20. He publicly stated he wouldn't hire gays for his administration

that qualifies as hating in my book.

[samnsara]

28. i agree.. I actually supported him during the first run...

...he was a colorful character but not the nutter he died as...

[Cha]

50. Kind of a "hater" here...

Link to tweet

[SHRED]

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[Politicub]

38. Thanks for the reminder.

I’m sorry.

[SHRED]

46. But your post remains

Glad you acknowledge this but sad you left it posted.

[Politicub]

63. It's gone now. I didn't think to delete it.

[SHRED]

66. Thanks for deleting

[Cha]

52. That's rude to the OP.. I'm glad he brought

some reality to who Ross Perot was..

Link to tweet

[Eliot Rosewater]

54. Awfully god damn condescending

[CentralMass]

6. Well i wasn't a fan but did a little reading. Periot did invest a lot of time and money

on efforts to help veterans and other philantrophic pursuits that included funding public ed in Texas and fundng of hospitals etc.
Bernie did serve as chair of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee. So i think thst Bernie had a postive association with Perot on veterans issues.

It seems to me that he was a good man.

[SHRED]

21. I think it's a wash

He helped vets on one hand and damaged them with the other hand by championing the rightwing agenda.

[CentralMass]

39. I can agree with that.

[Autumn]

9. Odd how people who hate a person expect everyone to hate the same person.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. Like Trump

[Autumn]

14. Yes Trump does just that. Perot worked a lot with Vets, I can respect that. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Everybody here hates Trump, no?

[Autumn]

22. I've learned hate is a waste of time and eats the soul, I have no hate

for anyone. YMMV

[Go Vols]

44. +1

[SouthernProgressive]

17. The guy called for block by block police raids of minority communities.

Searching every single dwelling and person in the cordoned off area. And people think Biden was a tough on drugs guy. Perot wanted draconian penalties for mainly marijuana. He felt all drug problems started and ended with marijuana.

He literally called for a deceleration of martial law so the military could be sent into minority communities to get control of drugs.

I don't see where you were asked to hate anyone. He has a long history of highly questionable acts that continued to the very end. But Sanders thinks he is a swell guy so a certain group has to follow closely behind.

[Autumn]

29. Drugs were a big political tool. BTW, I support Warren but get your dig wherever you can.

I never said anyone asked me to hate him, I commented on the hate for him.

[SouthernProgressive]

31. "BTW, I support Warren but get your dig wherever you can."

Not sure what that has to to with my post or the topic of Ross Perot and BS.

I get that Perot is your cup of tea. No big deal to me. Still worth remember how viewed minority communities. Literally wanted to send the military in to do house by house raids. Every single dwelling. None skipped.

Odd how when one's deity likes someone all of the disciples must fall in line and cheer same said individual.

That is along the same mental process as your out of place "hate" line. The op sure didn't mention hate.

[Autumn]

32. " But Sanders thinks he is a swell guy so a certain group has to follow closely behind."

That was in your post was it not? And no Ross Perot was not my cup of tea. You may want to check your tea leaves. Neither is he my diety.

Odd how when one's deity likes someone all of the disciples must fall in line
and cheer same said individual.

I'm grateful that he elected Bill Clinton though.

[SouthernProgressive]

33. Glad that he was not your cup of tea.

He is no friend of the left.

The people elected Bill Clinton. But whatever help you to be grateful to Perot.

[sheshe2]

58. You support Warren?

BTW, I support Warren but get your dig wherever you can.

And you declare to be undecided. Hmmm.

[StevieM]

16. Perot was wrong about trade, and so is Bernie.

I still remember Al Gore destroying him in their debate on Larry King Live.

[wyldwolf]

18. I miss Ross Perot...

... as portrayed by Dana Carvey on SNL.

[yaesu]

19. Did he give to any Democratic campaigns? Some like to play both sides. nt

[Kahuna7]

24. Waiting for the outrage over Bernie's admiration for Perot...

which I'm sure will never come.

[aikoaiko]

25. He helped get Bill Clinton elected, arguably.

[Gothmog]

35. The polling shows that Perot took equally from both candidates

From 538 https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-ross-perot-myth/

George H.W. Bush only lost his re-election bid in 1992 because a peculiar independent candidate from Texas, Ross Perot, drew more voters away from Bush than from Democratic candidate Bill Clinton. It’s one of the most enduring myths in U.S. presidential election history. Perot ran a quirky “outsider” campaign that in many ways presaged the Donald Trump phenomenon of 2016. It all amounted to one of the most successful third-party bids in U.S. history; Perot won 19 percent of the popular vote. But, no, Perot did not cost Bush the election, as “The Perot Myth” — a film from FiveThirtyEight and ESPN Films, directed by John Watkin and Eamon Harrington — makes clear.

[aikoaiko]

36. Thank you for that.

Not a lot of drilled down data in that short film. As we know national polling doesn't tell the story in an electoral college system.

But I have no evidence to counter that one exit poll they cite.

[ehrnst]

26. Not really surprised to hear Bernie say this. At all. (nt)

[SouthernProgressive]

27. "Tired of seeing billionaires trying to buy political power." Bernie Sanders

Depends on the billionaire. One of the biggest misconceptions of Sanders is that he is consistent. He has historically been extremely inconsistent on a wide range of issues. Sometimes it's whiplash worthy.

Link to tweet

[LanternWaste]

30. Wow. The same nuance and context allowed to something Sanders says

Wow. The same nuance and context allowed to something Sanders says about political and social opponents is often denied when it applies to other candidates.

I guess the idolaters of sacred cows are funny that way.

[R B Garr]

37. +1, He gets to idolize a third party disrupter because

he thinks it’s relatable.

[Gothmog]

34. Texas Democrats will not miss Perot

Perot was a trumpster and a conservative nut case

[SouthernProgressive]

40. Interesting that he gave money to Trump considering his thoughts on adultery.

Turning to the subject of adultery, Perot said he would "not knowingly" hire someone who had been unfaithful to his wife.

"The American people deserve better than that," he said.

Then there is this:

Perot, who is expected soon to announce his independent bid for the presidency, was asked by Walters if he would have an acknowledged homosexual on his staff, Perot initially said: "It would all depend. We'd have to be far more specific in what job."

And this:

Pressed on whether he would consider a homosexual for a top Cabinet post, such as the defense, treasury or education departments, Perot said: "No, I don't want anybody there that will be at a point of controversy with the American people. It will distract from the work to be done."

LA Times

[questionseverything]

41. bernie is old school, when someone dies we try and say something nice about them

I don't remember du attacking the Clintons for being kind when bush died even tho he was responsible for the iran contra thingy, as reagons vp

[SouthernProgressive]

42. Bush was a President.

Perot was a billionaire businessman who wanted to send the military into minority communities to do house by house raids.

I don't see where Kamala Harris spoke highly of him in a tweet. Your right. She must be new school.

[JI7]

43. Sanders knew him personally.

[Cha]

48. Question this..

Link to tweet

[questionseverything]

68. so joy reid is a homophobe...does that mean when she dies no one should say anything nice?

[Cha]

69. omg.

[Quixote1818]

65. Nicely said. nt

[Nanjeanne]

45. Sanders and Chris Shay (R- CT) introduced amendment for $30mil funding for

Gulf War Illness research. Perot was a big supporter of finding treatment and cures for Gulf War Illness and he wrote both Congressmen letters expressing his support of their work. i don’t know how that relationship may have progressed but perhaps that’s why Sanders posted a personal expression of his sadness in his passing and noted his veterans support and his policies and foresight on trade agreements like NAFTA.

Fyi Bill Clinton and Al Franken also tweeted their sympathies on his passing.

[Cha]

47. Yeah, that Perot.. he was a real "humanitarian"

Link to tweet

[SHRED]

51. How quickly people forget

[Cha]

55. Yeah.. Thanks for your OP, SHRED.

Why should we take Sanders' version? It just opened it up to start tweeting the reality of who ross perot was.

[SHRED]

57. No, thank you

For your reply.

I'm amazed that a RW corporate fascist is being defended here on the DU.

[Cha]

62. Perot was a Magat at the end.. not a

good way to leave.

[Submariner]

56. Perot was my version of an Eco-terrorist

Perot had/has a shorefront home in Bermuda. He wanted to dock his yacht in front of his home, but would not be granted a permit to do so, because the home was fronted by a large healthy coral reef.

Ross would have nothing to do with that permitting stuff, so he had the reef removed with high explosives. Some feel they control so much money they can do whatever the f**k they want.

[SylviaD]

59. Yes, he was a flawed man. Yes, he died a Trump supporter, BUT...

...Ross Perot was a true independent, who thought for himself. A faithful Christian and family man who would NOT have anything in common with the average Trumpkin wearing a MAGA hat.

[SHRED]

60. He gave the maximum to Dump

What a great guy.

[SylviaD]

61. Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

...Perot supported his trade/tariff policies only. So does Bernie.

[Quixote1818]

64. Smart political move by Sanders because a lot of people in the middle liked Perot

and they won't know Perot gave money to Trump.

[Cha]

67. Oh, that was his big "political move", was it?

Link to tweet