Bernie will and should bring up Biden's Iraq War vote

[Carrito]

If Biden runs Bernie Sanders will be able to point out the contrast between the two when it comes to war and peace.
So many innocent Americans and Iraqi lives were lost in that unjust, expensive war which Sanders opposed and Biden voted for.

[Squinch]

1. Ah shit. This crap again.

[Sneederbunk]

28. +100

[namahage]

73. No kidding. Somebody's been awfully busy.

After an slew of anti-Bernie OPs we now must believe that this 180-degree turnaround OP is in good faith.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

101. How is a candidate's voting record "crap"? People bring up Bernie's record all the time...

is that "crap" too?


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Squinch]

122. And always the same idiotic crap from the same 3 people.

All of them bent on dividing Democrats.

[Adrahil]

126. Yeah, no kidding. NT

[Carrito]

7. Seriously?

I can't believe it was reported.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

11. All you hear about is Bernie voting record!! Oh yeah, and he's not a Democrat... which he is now.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[MrsCoffee]

121. But he filed to run in 2024 as an Independent.

What is he really? He talks out of both sides of his mouth.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

124. So what?! That's just the state of Vermont politics... the only issues are the issues...

and that's where Bernie shines, like the Democratic caucuser that he is!! The fact that he appeals to Democrats AND independents is a GOOD thing... just ANOTHER reason Bernie has the Democratic nomination in the bag... you just don't realize it yet... but, you will!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[NurseJackie]

129. Nice try. He's still not a Democrat.

just ANOTHER reason Bernie has the Democratic nomination in the bag

No he doesn't. He won't make it past Super Tuesday. "You just don't realize it yet. But you will."

[MrsCoffee]

142. ARGLEBLARGLEBLERGH!!

His word means nothing. That's so what.

The only thing that is shining is the light on his record of not accomplishing much in office. All he has is a few supporters who will see what they want to see. It's actually kind of sad. The let down at the end will once again bring out the BoBers.

[kstewart33]

153. Depends on how you define Democrat.

[CTyankee]

15. Well, it's still here so you won!

My belief is that we get it all out there and our primary candidates should offer their records in public office in contrast with opponents. Nothing is wrong with that.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

125. Nothing at all.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[forklift]

3. Since it worked so well against Hillary?

It will not make Biden lose the primaries but would damage him for the GE and reelect the orange buffoon.

Unless that is the real goal .......

[Carrito]

9. Bernie has higher name recognition now

It's like arguing that Biden won't win because he didn't win in previous attempts.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

22. Bernie's campaign keeps gathering momentum... his dominance in foreign affairs, as demonstrated

in this instance, is but one of many reasons why.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[forklift]

76. Dominance in foreign affairs

[Thekaspervote]

78. Not!!

[redstateblues]

79. Honeymoon in Moscow!

[TexasTowelie]

93. What about the tour in Nicaragua to support the revolution? nt

[George II]

83. Other than "this instance", what are his foreign policy credentials? Please proceed.

[TexasTowelie]

94. See above.

[lunamagica]

141. OK, I've been wondering about you, but this confirms it. I love this joke!

You have been playing is all along...

[Renew Deal]

105. And higher unfavorables

[Autumn]

61. Before Biden gets damaged in the GE for his past actions he must first win the primaries.

Any candidates actions from their past are up for discussion. That's what a primary is for.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

102. You'd think so... Bernie's voting record is criticized incessantly around here.

Where's the outrage?! (cue the crickets)


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[LuvLoogie]

4. Later, Bro...

[LongtimeAZDem]

5. And Biden should ask him about the pervasive culture of sexual harassment he presided over

Roll the dice, win a prize.

[vsrazdem]

24. Yes, and then he can ask him about his treatment of Anita Hill.

[still_one]

39. or his theory on rape

https://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8682503/bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy

[LongtimeAZDem]

31. Easily done; he's handled it before. Then we go to Sander's rape fantasy essays, etc.

I am absolutely looking forward to Sanders having to debate Biden; it's going to be a delight to watch.

[lapucelle]

57. My money's on this guy...

[chimpymustgo]

150. Ugh...the very though of 2 old white guys arguing about rape fantasies...

:barf:

[vsrazdem]

35. My point is, every candidate has personal baggage of some sort. Bringing up policy differences

is fair game, but getting into personal derogatory statements is self defeating for Democrats. It just pull everyone into the garbage and we need to stay focused on messaging. They will all have a chance to discuss policy issues during a debate and we should be happy to hear all of them. That is how we make an educated decision on who we will support.

[emulatorloo]

36. I agree. Scorched earth primary campaigning is self defeating.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

114. You mean bringing up this nonsense about "rape fantasies" isn't scorched earth? Please

[betsuni]

120. Quoting what people say is real. Please.

[kstewart33]

155. Trump will be talking about it endlessly at his rallies.

Along with honeymooning in Moscow and Bern's praise for the Russian system, on video.

Trump will do his own vetting of Bernie and it will be ugly.

[CrossingTheRubicon]

49. And he in turn can be asked about child support.

[TheRealNorth]

6. No

Energy is better used attacking Trump & the Republicans. People will follow if you make good arguments.

[emulatorloo]

37. Yes. Sherrod Brown was on MSNBC a bit ago and said candidates need to focus on the General now

He is right as are you .

[MaryMagdaline]

8. That vote only counts if you're a woman

[obnoxiousdrunk]

14. It's like only

Gillibrand is responsible for Al Franke's ouster.

[MaryMagdaline]

18. Very true

[NurseJackie]

10. ...

[Carrito]

13. Fantastic argument

[NurseJackie]

19. No need to argue.

Fantastic argument

No need to argue. I gave the deserved response.

[TheFarseer]

43. Funny stuff

The Iraq war was only the defining issue of the decade and killed hundreds of thousands of people. Not really something to smugly laugh about.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

12. In this instance, Bernie has shown his superior foreign policy knowledge.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[NurseJackie]

20. He hasn't "shown" his full tax returns, that's for sure. Why the delay? Is he hiding something?

If the tax returns are complete enough to submit to the IRS, then they're complete enough to show to the American voters. We deserve that amount of honesty and integrity from ALL candidates.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

21. That's right, change the subject... can't say I blame you for trying.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[NurseJackie]

45. This isn't going to go away.

That's right, change the subject...

This isn't going to go away. Get used to it.

Where are the full tax returns? If they're good enough to submit to the IRS, then they're good enough to show to the voters. We deserve to know the truth.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

103. Good try again... but, doesn't detract from Bernie's superior foreign policy acumen.

Just another example of Bernie's leadership skills. I know that doesn't sit well with some. That's okay, so go ahead, talk about his tax returns some more, which you'll see soon enough.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[mcar]

147. Please cite examples of Sanders foreign policy accomplishments

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

149. One of the few politicians who wasn't fooled by Shrub's Iraq War bullshit for starters.

I call that a HUGE accomplishment. If President Sanders was in charge, it would have saved the country TRILLIONS, which could have been used to provide universal healthcare for all.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[CrossingTheRubicon]

58. Exactly the opposite.

There is a reason he was not picked to be Sec. of State.

[George II]

74. One vote defines his "superior foreign policy knowledge"? Why do you discount....

....his many votes against the Democratic (and overwhelming bipartisan) position and in favor of the Russians?

Magnitsky Act - Nay
Russia Sanctions - Nay
Oleg Deripaska - No Vote

THOSE are foreign policy votes. All three (actually more because there was more than one vote on the Magnitsky Act) show that he does not vote with the Democrats but with the Russians.

Why is that?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

104. Bernie is right on all counts, for the reasons he's splained many times.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[David__77]

112. Sanders is for peace.

Peace might not be popular with some think tankers and Scoop Jackson types. I think it’s quite popular among the people at large. International relations based on mutual benefit and acknowledging national sovereignty - what a great concept!

[betsuni]

116. He's a pragmatist. When asked under what circumstances he would use force:

"Well, obviously, I voted, when President Clinton said 'Let's stop ethnic cleansing in Kosovo' I voted for that. I am not a pacifist, Anderson. I supported President Clinton's effort to deal with ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. I happen to believe from the bottom of my heart that war should be the last resort, that we have got to exercise diplomacy. But yes, I am prepared to take this country into war if that is necessary."

Democrats are for peace.

[David__77]

117. The Serbia/Kosovo issue is one on which I disagreed with Sanders.

I don’t think Sanders is a pacifist - I do think he is unlikely to support many regime change wars/interventions.

[ehrnst]

135. What "think tankers" and "Scoop Jackson types" are anti-peace?

No idea who you are talking about here.

[David__77]

136. Joe Lieberman is an example.

...

[ehrnst]

137. Just Joe. No Democrats.

Got it.

[David__77]

138. I think anyone advocating military intervention in Venezuela might fall in that category.

Thankfully, I’m not aware of any Democrats doing that.

[ehrnst]

140. You stated that "peace" might not be something that many are in favor of.

What other military interventions past and present, do you put into that category with intervention in Venezuela?

Do you also think that publicly calling out Maduro on the conditions in his country he has created is also in that category?

[David__77]

148. I said that peace might not be popular with some think tankers and Scoop Jackson types.

I did not state that "peace" might not be something that many are in favor of.

I think bombs and missiles are different from words.

[ehrnst]

139. Well, if votes are the indication that one is "for peace" you may change your mind on what votes

get brought up concerning Senator Sanders.

Google "Jeremy Brecher resignation letter" and "Sanders gaza town hall."

He voted in favor of authorizing funds for the Iraq war and the one in Afghanistan. More recently, he voted in favor of a $1 billion aid package for the coup government in Ukraine and supported Israel's assault on Gaza.

And there's the F-35 contract:

For years, retired Col. Rosanne Greco, the de facto leader of the F-35 opposition, has pleaded with members of the congressional delegation to hear public feedback about the impact of increased noise and the loss of habitable homes in the community. In the winter of 2012, Greco and her allies even persuaded 16 Burlington-area ministers and rabbis to issue an open letter to Vermont’s politicians urging further public discussion on the matter.

Yet after all of the letters, rallies and petitions beseeching Sens. Patrick Leahy and Bernie Sanders, and Rep. Peter Welch to meet with residents on the issue, the only response Greco can only point to is a form letter she received from a member of the delegation in which her name was misspelled. (“The letter began, ‘Dear Ms. Truono,’” Greco recalled with a laugh.)

https://vtdigger.org/2018/03/01/vermont-officials-steadfast-support-f-35/

[namahage]

16. I guess if we're talking war and peace,

we could discuss the F-35, and who wants it built where.

Welcome to DU. Hope you're enjoying your stay!

[Carrito]

17. Biden isn't against F-35's being built

And that's OK.

[George II]

81. Biden really doesn't have a position on whether or not or where the F-35s are built.

[NurseJackie]

130. Don't expect a reply. That poster has left the building...

... permanently.

[Kahuna7]

23. Don't worry. He will. nt

[WeekiWater]

25. Fair game. That's for sure.

And Biden should bring up Sanders vote with Republicans opposing a pathway to citizenship and its correlation to Sanders not recognizing oppressed groups in proposals today.

Sanders lost by millions of votes last time he brought this to the table.

This isn’t small ball.

[elleng]

26. STOP!

We do NOT need divisiveness among us, and we certainly don't need to promote talking points about how to get negative among our candidates.

[Peacetrain]

42. No Kidding.. did you ever feel like looking at the fighting in the back seat

and want to yell..

"one more negative word out of anyone sitting back there, and I am going to pull this car over and we are going to sit on the side of the road till all of you calm down and learn to speak civilly to each other.. or I will turn this car around and no vacation!! and don't think I would not do it!!"

Honestly elleng.. I really feel like I am back to parenting teenagers again

[elleng]

46. Yes indeed, Peacetrain,

and my daughters didn't yell at eachother (much.) Now they don't speak at all, and they're adults (and parents of little ones.)

[Peacetrain]

47. ....

we made it through the last election.. here we go again

[elleng]

48. Yes, love!

I'd like to borrow your snoopy thingie!

[Peacetrain]

131. Oh ellen I missed this post!

Absolutely take snoopy... snoopy fighting the red baron has such new meaning this year.. (John Barron ) I got it off DU where you edit your avatars..

[emulatorloo]

55. It is clearly potstirring, divisive, divide and conquer trolling. And I fell for it

Thank you for your post

[Peacetrain]

132. Yes it was emulatorloo.. good description

pot stirring

[emulatorloo]

56. Thank you ellen

I am sorry I fell for this divide and conquer trolling.

Live and learn

[elleng]

59. Thanks, emulatorloo.

We live and learn EVERY day!

(And fairly likely by a troll, which I hadn't noticed.)

[namahage]

75. You expected different from an OP

who posts stuff like Which democrat will receive the most negative media coverage?

[elleng]

77. I don't study such, I read and respond.

[lunamagica]

143. sanders needs to get that message. He is more divisive than anyone

[aeromanKC]

29. Putin approved

This is why Putin has his popcorn ready for the Dem primaries to begin. (Insert roll eyes emoji)

[Squinch]

52. Yep. Exactly.

[CrossingTheRubicon]

30. Both Joe Biden and HRC voted for the IWR in an effort to get Saddam to comply

with UN resolutions.

I would not vote for a candidate who appeases dictators.

Sen. Bernard Sanders (I-Vt) loses on this issue.

We need serious statesmen leading our party and not neo-isolationists.

We are the party of FDR.

[CrossingTheRubicon]

51. Not "retroactive." Decisions needed to be made with the evidence of the time.

[emulatorloo]

54. Yes I remember the day President Biden ordered the invasion of Iraq

It was Bush’s war. Bush’s decision, Bush’s lies.

Most Democrats understand that and don’t let poor little defenseless Bush off the hook like you do.

[TexasTowelie]

98. There is a difference between support and understanding.

The Bush administration duped almost everyone with propaganda and disinformation from intelligence sources. It can be argued in hindsight that more concrete evidence should have been provided, but the perception of a threat and the fact that it wasn't possible to send someone into Iraq to acquire that evidence put pressure on the members of Congress to approve the IWR.

Imagine how Republicans having the "I told you so" reminders for decades if Iraq used biological, chemical or nuclear weapons while the Democrats sat and did nothing. Keeping that possibility in mind, I can understand why Democrats voted the IWR. Bernie didn't have anything to lose as an independent by voting no to the IWR.

[TexasTowelie]

119. Let Bernie bring it up then,

I have no doubt that Biden will be able to respond to Sanders when the time comes.

The discussion won't influence anyone and it will ultimately make Bernie look foolish for mentioning something from over 15 years ago. It will be viewed as a cheap shot and it will probably backfire on Bernie with questions as to whether he is stuck in the past.

Most of the Democratic Senators voted the same way Joe Biden did. The senators that voted for the resolution put their faith in the information provided by the intelligence community, which is much more than understandable. In fact, I wish that our current president would put more faith in the intelligence community rather than our foreign adversaries.

[PassingFair]

134. Somehow the majorty of our House dems voted against it. And 42 % of our Senators.

We all knew what that vote signaled.

United States House of Representatives
Party Ayes Nays Not
Voting
Republican 215 6 2
Democratic 82 126 1
Independent 0 1 0
TOTALS 297 133 3


United States Senate
Party Yeas Nays
Republican 48 1
Democratic 29 21
Independent 0 1
TOTALS 77 23
29 (58%) of 50 Democratic senators voted for the resolution. Those voting for the resolution were:
Sens. Baucus (D-MT), Bayh (D-IN), Biden (D-DE), Breaux (D-LA), Cantwell (D-WA), Carnahan (D-MO), Carper (D-DE), Cleland (D-GA), Clinton (D-NY), Daschle (D-SD), Dodd (D-CT), Dorgan (D-ND), Edwards (D-NC), Feinstein (D-CA), Harkin (D-IA), Hollings (D-SC), Johnson (D-SD), Kerry (D-MA), Kohl (D-WI), Landrieu (D-LA), Lieberman (D-CT), Lincoln (D-AR), Miller (D-GA), Nelson (D-FL), Nelson (D-NE), Reid (D-NV), Rockefeller (D-WV), Schumer (D-NY), and Torricelli (D-NJ).

21 (42%) of 50 Democratic Senators voted against the resolution. Those voting against the resolution were:
Sens. Akaka (D-HI), Bingaman (D-NM), Boxer (D-CA), Byrd (D-WV), Conrad (D-ND), Corzine (D-NJ), Dayton (D-MN), Durbin (D-IL), Feingold (D-WI), Graham (D-FL), Inouye (D-HI), Kennedy (D-MA), Leahy (D-VT), Levin (D-MI), Mikulski (D-MD), Murray (D-WA), Reed (D-RI), Sarbanes (D-MD), Stabenow (D-MI), Wellstone (D-MN), and Wyden (D-OR).

1 (2%) of 49 Republican senators voted against the resolution: Sen. Chafee (R-RI).
The only independent senator voted against the resolution: Sen. Jeffords (I-VT)

[roody]

67. It was to keep the war machine fed. Now it's Venezuela

in its sights.

[CrossingTheRubicon]

69. LOL. Sure.

Coddling dictators isn't a good look.

[Hoyt]

82. Exactly. George war bush jumped the gun and lied to Americans.

Sanders’ vote meant dooodly.

Sanders joined trump with regard to TPP, Trans-Atlantic trade, NAFTA, tariffs, NATO, etc., to our detriment.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. If Bernie and Joe go to war a third candidate will be the beneficiary.

That's fine with me.

[emulatorloo]

34. I don't think they Biden and Bernie will go to war with one another

Would be very bad strategery on Weaver and Turner’s part.

[AlexSFCA]

33. Hillary also voted for Iraq war but won the nomination anyway

Although she lost to Obama in 2008 precisely because of this vote. That vote is certainly indefensible cause it was so crystal clear at the time to anyone with half brain how wrong it was, let alone years later. BYW, what is Biden’s role in Libya? The biggest mistake of Obama’s presidency (a very small one compared to Bush’s years).

Sanders is not exacly great on foreign policy having voted against Russia’s sanctions and against Magnitsky Act - the single most important foreign policy legislation of the decade

[Buzz cook]

38. Better to go after the bankruptcy bill

http://inthesetimes.com/article/18366/joe-biden-president-bankrupcty-bill

One of the most nastiest pieces of legislation passed in America the bankruptsy reform bill was a wet kiss to the finacial industry and a kick in the balls to consumers. Biden was all in with this crap.
Biden is a villager in full.

[R B Garr]

40. The answer to this smear is right there in the article posted.

It was about child support payments not being dischargeable. I know someone who was affected by that. Thanks to Biden for being “all in with this crap”.

Being deceptive about our candidates got a lot of trumped up coverage in 2016, and look what it got us. No more.

[lapucelle]

65. Oh look...it's from In These Times

Donuts for everyone!

[R B Garr]

71. Ah, yes. "Progressive" ----. good catch as always, lapucelle.

[Buzz cook]

85. Sorry you don't like the source of the article.

There are many others, take your choice.

[R B Garr]

87. The bill is online. No need to be spoon fed biased claptrap

about the bill when I can read it for myself.

[Buzz cook]

97. Then read the bill.

.https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/senate-bill/256/text

Have you ever read it? Have you ever read any bill before congress that you've either agreed or disagreed with? Forgive me my doubts.

SEC. 322. LIMITATIONS ON HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.

(a) Exemptions.--Section 522 of title 11, United States Code, as
amended by sections 224 and 308, is amended by adding at the end the
following:
``(p)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2) of this subsection and
sections 544 and 548, as a result of electing under subsection (b)(3)(A)
to exempt property under State or local law, a debtor may not exempt any
amount of interest that was acquired by the debtor during the 1215-day
period preceding the date of the filing of the petition that exceeds in
the aggregate $125,000 in value in--
``(A) real or personal property that the debtor or a
dependent of the debtor uses as a residence;
``(B) a cooperative that owns property that the debtor or a
dependent of the debtor uses as a residence;
``(C) a burial plot for the debtor or a dependent of the
debtor; or
``(D) real or personal property that the debtor or dependent
of the debtor claims as a homestead.

That means creditors could and will take your home. Given how banks stole homes during the real estate crisis of 2008, do you doubt they'd do the same here.

[R B Garr]

111. You cherry-picked again. Desperate to omit the part about child

support provisions. Note how you only care about the corporations and not who is being protected under the bill. Not everyone is going to fall for this manipulation anymore. Funny what you chose to highlight.

[lapucelle]

151. I read the statute.

a debtor may not exempt any amount of interest that was acquired by the debtor during the 1215-day period preceding the date of the filing of the petition that exceeds in
the aggregate $125,000 in value in--

The exemption is for any interest owed in excess of $125,000 if had been acquired three years before the bankruptcy.

For the exemption to kick in the debt would have to be:

1. interest on a debt
2. interest on a debt in excess of $125,000
3. only that interest on a debt in excess of $125,000 that the debtor had acquired 3+ years before he declared bankruptcy.

[TexasTowelie]

115. I have no intention of reading the entire bill since I have more interesting things to do,

but if I'm reading section (p)(1) correctly, I believe it means that someone who filed bankruptcy cannot have that property exempted if it exceeded $125,000 and acquired within the past 3.5 years.

If that is correct, then I can see why creditors would stand up for those provisions in the new law. A $125,000 home was a median value home in most regions of the country back in 2005.

While I have sympathy for those who had an accident or a health issue, I also believe that there are people who manipulate the system who shouldn't be rewarded with a lifestyle that they couldn't afford in the first place.

I'm certain that some will say that I'm being cynical, but I've known many manipulators over the years. Probably the worst was a former supervisor that bought a $50K sports car who then let her $140K home go into foreclosure a few weeks later even though she was making about $120K in salary. She was already in her upper 50s and shacking up with her wealthy retiree boyfriend so her credit rating was irrelevant to her by that point in time.

Perhaps you can provide some more detail if I'm interpreting this incorrectly?

[Buzz cook]

84. Will Mother Jones do?

Or is that too lefty for you.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/02/the-2020-race-could-revive-a-bitter-feud-between-joe-biden-and-elizabeth-warren/

"bankruptcy reform, which was accomplished with Biden’s 2005 bill. Though the law was enormously complex, its most important consequence was simple—the legislation made it harder for millions of Americans who had fallen into debt and who sought relief through bankruptcy to break free from their obligations. At the same time, the bill entitled creditors, such as car companies or mortgage lenders, to an even greater share of their assets. "

[R B Garr]

86. No one has to read a "lefty" rag to see the obvious manipulative

attempts to desperately smear Biden with some generic Bernie talking points. You are cherry-picking how you want to focus on only some “victims” of bankruptcy. This kind of cherry-picking was trumped up in 2016–no more.

The bill is also online. Why read some biased claptrap when you can read the bill itself...

[lapucelle]

152. Have a donut...

[Buzz cook]

91. It was about way more than that.

And it is avoiding the facts to claim that it was only one point of disagreement.

https://psmag.com/economics/bankruptcy-reforms-poor-legacy-4204

In July, Michael Simkovic, a former fellow at Harvard's John M. Olin Center for Law and Economics, wrote that "the data suggests that although bankruptcies and credit card company losses decreased, and credit card companies achieved record profits, the cost to consumers of credit card debt actually increased. In other words, the 2005 bankruptcy reforms profited credit card companies at consumers' expense."
Snip
"I doubt that it was the intention of even those who voted for the bill to increase documentation requirements, bureaucratic paper work and other costs so much that honest low-income and working families, not the 'high rollers' at whom the amendments were supposedly aimed, are deterred or prevented from obtaining the bankruptcy relief they need. But that is what has happened," Sommer said.
Snip
After quoting three bankruptcy judges, including Keith M. Lundin of Tennessee ("Unquestionably, this is the most poorly written piece of legislation that I or anyone else has ever seen.&quot , she concluded that the act is crushing "consumers suffering from the perfect storm of bad mortgages, credit card debt, stagnant wages or unemployment and rising food and fuel prices."

The 2005 bankruptcy bill makes it harder for poor and working class citizens to file. It does nothing to control the predatory practices of the financial industry.
This was all common knowledge in 2005. It seems to have slipped out of memory now.

https://getoutofdebt.org/111475/2005-bankruptcy-reforms-failed-miserably-help-students

First, we show that BAPCPA did not have a significant effect on the price of loans for the lowest credit score individuals relative to individuals with higher credit scores. In other words, students became effectively unable to discharge their loans in bankruptcy, but did not experience a compensating decrease in price. Second, we do see an increase in loan volumes, but since we do not observe a change in prices and we find that the price elasticity of demand for student loans is not significantly different from zero, we do not attribute this change in originations to a price effect. It is thus easy to argue that BAPCPA was not very helpful to students: they lost the ability to discharge their private student loans, but received no discount in return.

The 2005 act made it much harder for students to discharge debts and did nothing to control usurious lending of student loans.

https://getoutofdebt.org/13988/the-bankruptcy-means-test-and-limits-are-not-fair-colette

Thanks for the question. I’m feeling like being blunt and honest today so here it goes.

The bankruptcy means testing sucks. It has always been crap and it will never be fair to anyone. After all, who is average?

Now remember that this was a republican plus Biden and 17 other democrats bill.

Democrats:
18 – Yes
25 – No

Republicans:
55 – Yes
0 – No

Biden is better than a republican. That is the best I can say for him.

[R B Garr]

96. Sorry, not the least bit interested in Generic Bernie

declarations of who is evil and/or corrupt. We already went down this generic maligning of anyone/everyone to fit generic platitudes of evilness.

The retroactive accusations are still silent about the child support payments, so it is a clear indication that generic spam is more important than other actual victims of bankruptcy — single women getting child support.

The student loans situations have gotten chronic under Republican rule. That is what your protest vote got you. Let’s keep the blame where it belongs. I’m glad that Biden helped single mothers.

[Buzz cook]

100. Your bias is showing.

declarations of who is evil and/or corrupt. We already went down this generic maligning of anyone/everyone to fit generic platitudes of evilness.

I'm not making a claim of evil. That's your simplistic strawman take on my posts. My case is that Biden fully supported a bill written by republicans and industry insiders and that he was well in the minority of democrats that did so.

The retroactive accusations are still silent about the child support payments, so it is a clear indication that generic spam is more important than other actual victims of bankruptcy — single women getting child support.

Claiming that I am spamming or using biased article is a weak ploy. The real victims of the bankruptcy act include women and children as well as I have demonstrated.

The student loans situations have gotten chronic under Republican rule. That is what your protest vote got you. Let’s keep the blame where it belongs. I’m glad that Biden helped single mothers.

Protest vote? I was a delegate for Hilary Clinton in 2008 as well as 2016.(On edit make that county delegate.) I have and will only vote for the democratic nominee.

You have presented no evidence nor counter evidence. It there fore follows that your assertions are not believable.

[R B Garr]

110. You are the one who is biased. The fact that you omit the

child support provisions proves it. You have an ax to grind over generic talking points that make everything about some evil corporations that fit Bernie’s platitudes. Get back to me when you read who the bill was also to protect. Women who don’t get child support payments could also be out on the street. Right?!

Omitting salient points is totally bogus. This is the kind of manipulation we saw here entirely too long in 2016.

[blue cat]

41. I just found out that Bernie

Called for Russia to be added to NATO in 2015. I’m shocked that he hasn’t been asked about it.

[LongtimeAZDem]

88. Hey, it's not like he took part in a communist rally where they were chanting "death to America", or

went to Moscow for his honeymoon.

[MrsCoffee]

144. Oh he will be. He will not escape vetting a second time.

I predict it will end in his early departure from the race.

[Peacetrain]

44. Not productive in any way shape form or fashion

[R B Garr]

60. Biden should bring up Bernie's child support payments

for his son. Were they always paid? Need proof. This goes directly to the smears on Biden for the bankruptcy bill.

[vsrazdem]

62. I think they should discuss policy period. Negative campaigning does not help us.

[R B Garr]

66. Deception doesn't help either. Deceptive self-serving generic

attacks on Democrats won’t fly this time. And child support payments were the policy behind the bankruptcy bill, while right here on this thread there is an attempt to bring up Sanders generic corporations smears.

[LongtimeAZDem]

90. Didn't stop Sanders from bringing up Bill Clinton last time.

[NurseJackie]

70. There are other factual things that are too risky for me to discuss in detail...

... or with a great amount of specificity, but I guarantee you that the GOP would waste no time in using it to their full advantage. This is why vetting is important. Every... EVERY aspect of a candidate's life is fair game. His (or her) interviews, writings, recordings, votes... successes and failures.

This is also why it's important that primary voters get the opportunity to see the full tax returns from EVERY candidate BEFORE the primary voting begins. Voters have the right to know if there's something in a candidate's background that would be a "showstopper" for his (or her) campaign during the General Election. By that time, it's too fucking late.

We deserve to know the truth.

[R B Garr]

72. Yes! Agreed, and we definitely deserve the truth!

No double standards. No hypocrisy.

[peggysue2]

106. Agreed and the excuses don't wash

The tax returns are boring. We're working on the 'mechanics' (what does that even mean?). No one is really interested. Hah!

Senator Sanders has had plenty of time to pull these records together. The endless excuses and response of 'they'll be released soon' just doesn't cut it.

This isn't 2016 and it isn't bean bag either. Joe Biden will get the full treatment, be required to answer a slew of questions about past positions and policies and votes. And his tax returns. All of our candidates will taste the test by fire.

The Senator from Vermont is not immune to the very same treatment. Not this time.

Just give the receipts up, Senator Sanders. Then let the chips fall as they may. But stop with the damn excuses. They don't work.

[roody]

63. This crap. Now it's Venezuela. Same old crap. Eom

[CrossingTheRubicon]

68. Most Americans would not support a "deadbeat dad" for president.

Sen. Bernard Sanders (I-Vt) may come in for some hard questioning over his "lost decades" and in particular whether he provided child support for his son.

[handmade34]

64. Bernie should...

quit

[Thekaspervote]

80. Stop is right!! When DU'ers see these posts why not just scroll on by and let those that want

To push mr sanders talk among themselves

End of divisive issue

[DinahMoeHum]

92. Or trash the thread completely.

Out of sight, out of mind.

[lancelyons]

89. Carrito is a republican in disguise. Disregard

[backabby-blue]

95. How's the weather in ST. Petersburg? nt

[vsrazdem]

99. Yes, let's all jump in the gutter and roll around in the mud. Its so effective.

[Renew Deal]

107. Biden should bring up Bernie's missing tax returns

Where are they again?

[awesomerwb1]

108. But but but His superior knowledge of foreign policy!!

HiS AmAzInG CaMpAiGn keeps gathering UnStopPable StReNgTh!!

You will see Bigfoot before you see BS's taxes.

[Docreed2003]

127. ....

Lol...I snorted my coffee. Well played!

[quickesst]

109. Didn't he mention....

...... Hillary's Iraq war vote? As I recall he pretty much got his ass handed to him. That's not a very good talking point.

[David__77]

113. Biden hasn't declared.

There’s plenty of time for debates and discussion. Lots of Democrats who supported Iraq war resolution play a positive role.

[betsuni]

123. "the contrast between the two when it comes to war and peace."

Sanders: "I am not a pacifist, Anderson. I supported President Clinton's effort to deal with ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. I happen to believe from the bottom of my heart that war should be the last resort, that we have got to exercise diplomacy. But yes, I am prepared to take this country into war if that is necessary."

[ucrdem]

128. But he probably won't, because he doesn't want Biden to bring up his immigration vote.

And worse, at a few critical moments in 2006, he broke with Democrats and progressives and stood with the hardline anti-immigrant wing of the Republican Party.

The House passed a bill that would have allowed undocumented immigrants to be detained indefinitely and curtailed avenues to fight deportation in court. The ACLU called the bill “inhumane” and the National Council of La Raza called it a “very ugly, very harmful enforcement-only approach… to criminalize the undocumented population.” And it was a bill to which Representative Bernie Sanders said “aye.”

-- Luis Gutiérrez: Sanders Voted With Republicans

https://www.univision.com/noticias/opinion/sanders-voted-with-republicans

[33taw]

133. I think we need to stop the infighting.

Every candidate will have their great, good, poor or absent votes. I have a lot of concerns about a few of the candidates, but I don’t want to fight it in a public forum. It just feeds the right and their trolls. I will vote for the Democratic nominee in the General Election. I won’t threaten not to vote for whoever it is.

[Demsrule86]

145. Not this again. Some one should ask Sen. Sanders why he has repeatedly not voted for sanctions

against Russia.

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-statement-on-iran-and-russia-sanctions
https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2018/07/19/why-did-bernie-sanders-vote-against-the-magnitsky-act/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-rejects-democratic-efforts-to-prevent-administration-from-lifting-sanctions-on-russian-oligarch/

[kcr]

146. Bernie should be more worried about Beto

Beto will be his campaign killer.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

156. LOL... more like the other way around.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[krawhitham]

154. Biden will and should bring up Bernie's russia sanctions vote

[DemocratSinceBirth]

157. When those two guys start bickering a third candidate will be the beneficiary.