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Related: About this forumBernie Samders doesn't pay his organizers the min wage of $15.00. HYPOCRITE !!!
SCOOP: For years, Bernie Sanders has traveled the country advocating for a $15 per hour minimum wage.
His campaign organizers say they arent making that much, and they're using his words to protest for higher wages.
Unionized campaign organizers working for Sen. Bernie Sanderss presidential effort are battling with its management, arguing that the compensation and treatment they are receiving does not meet the standards Sanders espouses in his rhetoric, according to internal communications.
Campaign field hires have demanded an annual salary they say would be equivalent to a $15-an-hour wage, which Sanders for years has said should be the federal minimum. The organizers and other employees supporting them have invoked the senators words and principles in making their case to campaign manager Faiz Shakir, the documents reviewed by The Washington Post show.
Sanders has made standing up for workers a central theme of his presidential campaigns this year marching with McDonalds employees seeking higher wages, pressing Walmart shareholders to pay workers more and showing solidarity with university personnel on strike. The independent from Vermont has proudly touted his campaign as the first presidential effort to unionize its employees, and his defense of the working class has been a signature element of his brand of democratic socialism and a rallying cry for the populist movement he claims to lead.
Details about the negotiations between Shakir and the union representing Sanderss campaign workers have not been publicly reported until now. A review of emails, instant messages and other documents obtained by The Post show that the conflict dates back to at least May and remains unresolved. The documents were provided to The Post on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the private talks.
Via @WaPoSean https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/labor-fight-roils-bernie-sanders-campaign-as-workers-demand-the-15-hourly-pay-the-candidate-has-proposed-for-employees-nationwide/2019/07/18/3a6df9f4-a966-11e9-9214-246e594de5d5_story.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
trueblue2007
(17,203 posts)The draft letter estimated that field organizers were working 60 hours per week at minimum, dropping their average hourly pay to less than $13.
It said that many field staffers are barely managing to survive financially, which is severely impacting our teams productivity and morale.
Some field organizers have already left the campaign as a result.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
quakerboy
(13,918 posts)60x13= 760. If the pay was structured based on an expectation of 40 hours a week, 760/40= 19.50/hr.
I'm curious how much other campaigns pay. And if 60 hours is the expectation (and if it is, why arent they hiring more people to bring it down to a more reasonable work week for everyone). And how the campaign can get away apparently paying them salary rather than hourly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...have railed against Amazon, Walmart, and others because they don't pay $15 an hour.
It looks like paying lower level staffers a "salary" rather than hourly was probably a dodge to get around the $15/hour concept.
Also, it looks like their workers are balking at health insurance coverage, too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,764 posts)his main platform planks? Come on. This can't be true. And on top of the sexual harrassment in the last campaign...WTF?
Is there a leg left to stand on?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,123 posts)he was busy telling other candidates how to do theirs. And, this is a Prime Example of how he needs to fix his campaign before he even thinks of giving others' advice.
Glass Houses, BS!
Link to tweet
Mahalo, trueblue!
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crazytown
(7,277 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 19, 2019, 05:02 AM - Edit history (1)
for field organizers.
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Cha
(297,123 posts)Thanks, crazytown
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Celerity
(43,286 posts)Or are the asking for a salary (in which case no overtime)
If it is a 15 USD per hour rate
then that equals out to
40 X 15 = 600
20 x 22.50 = 450
1050 pw
x 52
yields 54,600 USD per year, pre tax
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crazytown
(7,277 posts)The union referred to 60 hour weeks - I did the math at $15 / hour. No overtime for field organizers I guess.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)...upon the car and the location, fifty eight cents could be break-even when considering gas, insurance, and depreciation.
In only the first three months of the campaign, this is what he's paying others, first is 3-month paid, the second number is the annual salary:
JEFFREY WEAVER $18,999.99 $227,999.88
FAIZ R SHAKIR $15,972.10 $191,665.20
NINA TURNER $12,897.59 $154,771.08
JOSHUA M ORTON $12,676.86 $152,122.32
JOHN R ROBINSON $12,374.07 $148,488.84
ARIANNA JONES $11,972.77 $143,673.24
SARAH BADAWI $11,567.98 $138,815.76
JOE CAIAZZO $11,464.17 $137,570.04
CLAIRE SANDBERG $10,852.03 $130,224.36
SHEILA ANGELO $10,361.48 $124,337.76
DEREK GUMB $9,900.00 $118,800.00
SHANNON JACKSON $9,681.74 $116,180.88
ANALILIA MEJIA $9,337.81 $112,053.72
SARAH FORD $9,079.03 $108,948.36
DAVID SIROTA $8,693.85 $104,326.20
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Me.
(35,454 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...to release any financial reports or identify personnel.
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Me.
(35,454 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....and Jane did the media buying.
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lapucelle
(18,239 posts)leaked information to the press. Maybe the BS slogan needs to be retooled when it comes to paying workers a living wage.
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Cha
(297,123 posts)Refresh me, please.. what was the other time?
I can't imagine how they could not know this would be a thing.
lapucelle, Mahalo
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trueblue2007
(17,203 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,239 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)...guarantee that you get overtime for working more hours. Many salaried jobs come with some likelihood of working more than 40 hours, and provide no overtime pay. Guidelines:
If Sanders were paying $600/week ($15 * 40 hours, for $31,200 annually), then he would be meeting the $15/hr "Sanders threshold" for providing a living wage for 40 hours of work, and the total provided would exceed being required to pay overtime in addition. And in fact, the article says the jobs in question pay more than that, a minimum of $36,000 annually. (The union is asking that these salaries be increased to a minimum of $46,800.) I think most people would say that, in general, $36k is a living wage. I suspect the union is trying to be clever by using Sanders' soundbite $15/hour rhetoric to help justify a pay demand that is actually above what the $15/hour proposals are intended to provide. I also wonder how many other campaigns pay even the $36k that Sanders' campaign pays.
My question would be whether these people are actually required to work more than 40 hours. AFAIK, salaried jobs would not specifically demand people work those hours, but the demands of the job and the desire to do it well can prompt people to do it anyway. Being required to work more than 40 hours is problematic, but I'd be surprised if that's the case here.
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mcar
(42,298 posts)of 60 hours per week. Some overtime, yes, but that's a second job. Pretty lame if this is Sanders' excuse.
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George II
(67,782 posts)....work 20 extra hours every single week. Some weeks, yes. Every week, no.
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thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)i.e. the article doesn't really tell us whether there are lots of staffers who do indeed, as you suggest, "work 20 extra hours every single week." Negotiations do tend to over-state each side's case at the outset. How many workers does this apply to and how often does it happen? We really don't know, there's no objective source available to us, just what appears to be leaked communications from one side.
The bigger point is that it is not as hypocritical as the OP suggests. The campaign does pay a living wage. Lots of candidates support $15.hr, I wonder how many of those are paying their field staff as well as or better than Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)Now after the fact, apparently after it "went public", he's going to limit hours to 42 or 43 hours "to ensure they're making the equivalent of $15 an hour."
What exactly is "the equivalent of $15"? Fifteen dollars is fifteen dollars.
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thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)...we still have no independent confirmation (or consistent information from both sides) that there are in fact a significant number of these salaried people working 60 hours a week, every week (at least as far as I've seen).
re:
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George II
(67,782 posts)....the hours to 42 or 43, chances are they're working a lot more. They wouldn't be quibbling over 3-4 hours a week.
Fact is, it's amazing some are bending over backward to explain away his workers getting paid less than $15 an hour.
One would think that a candidate would make sure he dotted all his I-s and crossed his T-s to make sure his own campaign complied with his campaign issues. Clearly, with all the dancing we're now seeing, he knows his campaign isn't doing so.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)Even an extra 5 hours a week,. i.e. an hour a day, is significant in a day with maybe 16 waking hours. And certainly 10 hours a week (2 hours a day) is quite a lot, i.e. for people who may be regularly working 52/53. But really, I'm not denying the 60 hour figure, I'm just saying we don't really know how many people are working it, and how often. Though it's clearly enough to be an issue. I mean, even if "only" half the people are regularly working that much in a given week, that still doesn't give Sanders a viable defense. Saying "hey, the press over-states it, only half my staff are being treated badly" isn't a stellar position either. And the fact that they are still being paid a decent living wage is also difficult from a PR perspective, because it's an explanation that will sound complicated and defensive. So yeah, the best move is probably to just try to minimize the overtime.
I do wonder if the other candidates who support the $15 min wage are doing any better for their staff. Have any other candidates made public the minimum salary or hourly wage they pay their field staff? In a bit of irony, the staff of a candidate who does not support the $15 wage might not be subjected to the criticism, even though his/her staff may envy what the Sanders staff makes. Though now that I think about it, do any candidates not support the $15 minimum wage?
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George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)If someone has experience working 42-43 hours a week as a field operative in a campaign, and someone else has experience working 60, neither tells us about the circumstances of this particular campaign. Everyone tends to think their own experiences make them experts who can generalize that experience to others (it tends to lead to statements like "almost everyone works 60!" or "almost no one works 60!" ), but there's a reason anecdotal evidence is a poor foundation for discussion. No, I haven't done that work, but I was only discussing the statements and the math as presented in the articles, and no personal experience changes that.
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Gothmog
(145,086 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,123 posts)"very proud"..
I'm not.
Thanks, Goth!
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silentEcho
(424 posts)to other campaigns, simply saying the will reduce hours.
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lapucelle
(18,239 posts)claims stemming from an earlier campaign. Didt the letter also complain about a pervasive m predatory culture?
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SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)We are seeing the impact a union can have when the corporate boss is concentrating on things elsewhere. First, the union forced the campaign to put protections in place to protect women from Sanders young and aggressive male base. Now we see them fighting for $15/hour.
Seeing how his campaign was ran in 16 it is the perfect place to put a union on display for all to see. They have their work cut out considering who the top manager is.
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Cha
(297,123 posts)don't have the money.
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SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Its a cornerstone of most all union negotiations. Im sure the union is going to be questioned about it. I wonder if part of the original contract is being broken.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DasMadchen
(19 posts)That Bernie, of all people, would try to screw his own staff?
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George II
(67,782 posts)...now we're seeing why they felt the need to do so. Chickens coming home to roost.
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CTyankee
(63,901 posts)workers. You can't build your campaigns on the backs of poorly paid workers. Not if you are a true Democrat.
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silentEcho
(424 posts)the women, but also addressing unequal pay which is a bases of Sanders responsibility in having a campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Nanjeanne
(4,935 posts)campaign and the issue appears to be the calculation is not by the hour. Its that instead of a 35 or 40 work week - they are calculating on 60 hours. Now they may work 60 hours and if thats so, they probably should get an additional pay for the hours they are working. But as it calculates to $13/hour for 60 hours or $780 a week - if they worked 40 hours their breakdown would be a generous $19.50/hour.
When I was an Event Producer I was paid an annual salary and many many weeks put in more than a 40 hr work week. I was salaried and not hourly and earned nothing more. On an event, when I had hired staff, we paid an hourly wage and they earned whatever they worked for the two or three weeks they were on the project. They were hourly staff. Theres always been a difference in the workplace.
Since this is a unionized shop now my guess is they will negotiate something - possibly a regular work week of 40 hours - or perhaps they will reduce their wage to $15/hr and on weeks when they only work 30 hours they will get less and on some weeks when they work 60 hours they will get more.
Either way to me this is a no story like Bernies a millionaire to create some bad press. Since the other candidates staffs do not receive anything as generous as Sanders staff - it isnt a fight I would think other candidates want to get into.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)When I was an Event Producer I was paid an annual salary and many many weeks put in more than a 40 hr work week. I was salaried and not hourly and earned nothing more. On an event, when I had hired staff, we paid an hourly wage and they earned whatever they worked for the two or three weeks they were on the project. They were hourly staff. Theres always been a difference in the workplace.
Since this is a unionized shop now my guess is they will negotiate something - possibly a regular work week of 40 hours - or perhaps they will reduce their wage to $15/hr and on weeks when they only work 30 hours they will get less and on some weeks when they work 60 hours they will get more.
Either way to me this is a no story like Bernies a millionaire to create some bad press. Since the other candidates staffs do not receive anything as generous as Sanders staff - it isnt a fight I would think other candidates want to get into.
I can attest to the latter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,239 posts)Asked for more clarity, Biden spokesman Andrew Bates said interns on the campaign are paid at a rate of $15 an hour and that field organizers are paid a salary of $4,000 a month. The latter comes out to $48,000 a year.
The hours that organizers work each week vary, Bates said. During a 60-hour workweek, which is not atypical for presidential campaign organizers, they would be making the equivalent of $16.67 an hour.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-says-he-agrees-with-a-15-minimum-wage-for-campaign-workers/2019/07/20/d2c239f8-ab51-11e9-a3a6-ab670962db05_story.html?utm_term=.222b35ed2d4f
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Princetonian
(1,501 posts)The story you are referencing came out after I posted. That kind of information was not public knowledge. I do know what they are paying summer interns.
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lapucelle
(18,239 posts)one should refrain from making assertions like:
and
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Princetonian
(1,501 posts)But that wouldn't scratch your itch, would it?
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lapucelle
(18,239 posts)It's the intellectually honest thing to do.
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Princetonian
(1,501 posts)Try it the next time you want to pounce on me.
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lapucelle
(18,239 posts)Given your celebration of intellectual honesty, it never occurred to me that the post was a direct quote without attribution.
Mea culpa for having assumed the best.
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Princetonian
(1,501 posts)Try harder next time to get it right.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)pique you displayed when it was pointed out that your ommission of appropriate quotation marks was the cause of misunderstanding of your posts, and not ill intent.
Try harder next time to get it right.
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Princetonian
(1,501 posts)That was cute.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,239 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Clash City Rocker
(3,396 posts)But that doesnt make Bernie not a hypocrite.
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Nanjeanne
(4,935 posts)yearly salary. Typically thats based on 40 hour weeks which is over $19 an hour. Salaried employees do not get overtime in any workplace. As I said, if they are going to negotiate a 40 hr wk then they are making $19.50 hr. If they are going to negotiate a $15 hr salary, then some weeks they work 60 hours they will get $900 week which is more. But on weeks when they work 40 hrs they will get $600 which is less.
The question really is are they salaried and therefore the number of hours is meaningless or are they hourly which would determine an hourly wage against a set number of hours. $780/wk is over $40,000 a year. The union will work out the status - salaried or hourly and go from there.
So no I dont find it hypocritical if Sanders if the expectation of salary is based on salaried employer at a 40 hour work week.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....and being salaried employees they will wind up working 50-60 hours a week, typical of a campaign work week.
At 50 hours that's $13.84
At 60 hours that's $11.53.
The $15 threshold is met at 46 hours per week.
Also built into the contract is that if salary is increased above the $36,000 the 100% healthcare insurance coverage drops on a sliding scale.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
kcr
(15,315 posts)First of all, a salary wage isn't automatically exempt from overtime. Salaried positions are paid overtime unless they are exempt, usually because they're management. By using 60 hours to calculate their hourly, Bernie's campaign is effectively exempting them from overtime.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Nanjeanne
(4,935 posts)Read. were they guaranteed 40 hr wks or were they guaranteed overtime beyond that? You cant write an article without those actual facts to determine what the actual wage is.
Just because someone is asked to put in a 60 hour week doesnt mean their weekly salary becomes less if there is no expectation that they are on a salary plus overtime. Believe me when I took my
First event planning position I wouldnt dream of breaking out my salary during a three week onsite event. It would make a grown girl cry. But its the job i accepted. On normal weeks my salary was just fine.
Im not worried about how this will be resolved. I find this article to have a very obvious slant when not all facts are presented. But hey its Sandersso I expect nothing less from Wash Post.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
kcr
(15,315 posts)Unless you don't believe them when they say they work 60 hours. And regardless of what it says, Bernie's campaign workers unionized, which means they have an organization of workers behind them to help them on their side in negotiations with management. Just because they accepted the job doesn't mean they have to roll over and take whatever their boss gives them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Nanjeanne
(4,935 posts)Every single week then we absolutely need to know if they are exempt salaried employees or not. Not one of them states they agreed to an hourly wage or they would say what that wage was they agreed to. They say their salary breaks down to $13 hour. So? If they work one week at 5o hours thats over $15. So do they never work ever ever less
Than 60? If so then we absolutely need to know what they agreed to when they took the job. It makes a huge difference. And if they agreed to a salary position exempt from overtime expecting a 40 or 50 work week they need to renegotiate based on new parameters. To say we dont need to know is silly.
And no where did I say they should roll over. I said many times in every post they will work it out with the union to reach an appropriate Contract. Its the assumption
That Sanders is a hypocrite and paying his people starvation wages that is absurd.
But its obvious once again that for some all
The facts dont matter. As long as it fits the narrative some want. No point in me trying to make sense of it so just enjoy your day!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
kcr
(15,315 posts)I would have thought Bernie supporters would understand that. You know, labor and all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MichMan
(11,901 posts)I can't tell
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
trueblue2007
(17,203 posts)YUCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
His actions totally piss me off.
You say NO STORY .... you will forgive Bernie anything huh?
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Nanjeanne
(4,935 posts)candidate that pays his interns.
Yeah. I forgive him.
But you just keeping on doing what you are doing. It makes you happy and that is all that matters to me!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)There is literally nothing that wouldnt be excused or rationalized.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
trueblue2007
(17,203 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Here is an example, thank you.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Do you have a link?
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silentEcho
(424 posts)How do you get that Sanders pays staff the most?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Nanjeanne
(4,935 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
silentEcho
(424 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)What a surprise.
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BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)He could literally do anything and it wouldnt matter.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,316 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=182318
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287185504#post81
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287192639#post29
How much longer can his dwindling support keep going "but look over there?"
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Autumn
(45,042 posts)but the hypocrite media and others will slam Bernie for it.
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SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)But look over there.
Huge benefit that his campaign was forced to unionize over the fear of the continued abuse of women and his lack of action in addressing it.
This is going to be an excellent display of the benefits of a union when management has little to no concern for the people doing the work.
But again, look over there. That is the cornerstone of his campaign today. Rules for you, not me.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Staying on point. You simply keep going "look over there."
You just keep deflecting.
Side with Trump in support of Putin? Time to deflect.
Rampant abuses against women within the campaign? Time to deflect.
Fight with Republicans to block a pathway to citizenship? Time to deflect.
Not supporting his own workers doing the heavy lifting? Time to deflect.
Rape essay followed up by a seriously questionable history of sexism? Time to deflect.
Unwavering support for one of the MIC's most failed projects? Time to deflect.
Fight to send nuclear waste to minority communities? Time to deflect.
Comparing democrats proposals to terrorist organizations? Time to deflect.
Long career as a politician with almost no accomplishments? Time to deflect.
He no longer has supporters. He has worshipers.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,042 posts)supporters you have a nice day. Nothing you posted has anything to do with what any of the candidates pay. None of them pay 15 an hour. So look to yourself for your "look over there!"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287205646#post13
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287205354#post35
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SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Have a great day. We are all more comfortable knowing his people are being protected by a union. Specially the women.
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Autumn
(45,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Again, it's good they are unionized for protection. The union will continue to fight for wage increases and to force them to put policies in place to protect women. The last go around was horrible.
Keep making it about other things.
He has gone so far off the rails, specially considering his campaigns recent and horrific comparisons of a Democrat to terrorists, that I sense a strike in the near future. They can't keep working under the deplorable conditions and situations Sanders keeps putting them in.
And I think some are missing what could be the really big bombshell.
That is the kicker. Considering Sanders last campaign, and his outright dismissal of the women who traveled to Washington to discuss it with him, I imagine they aren't even following the initial protections outlined in the contract. It won't be long before the union is forced to use public relations as a way to shame him into doing whats right for the women in his campaign. It's clear from this piece that is starting to happen.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)However, irony will be lost... as it rarely fits within the width of a bumper sticker.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,042 posts)As I linked above
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mcar
(42,298 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)BS is the one who made this a central issue.
HE's the one who, through 2 national campaign cycles now, made the $15 minimum wage a front page issue of his campaign.
It's right here.. #1 in his list for years now:
https://berniesanders.com/issues/fight-for-working-families/
If the other candidates had made such a huge stink about it, then failed to produce it for their own staff, yes, your argument would hold some water. but.. He did, they didn't, he's the hypocrite. He's the one that deserves the exposure for it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
trueblue2007
(17,203 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)According to the Post, the union rejected Shakir's plan, in part because of the healthcare costs that would fall to the campaign workers to pay.
This month, workers used Slack an instant messaging service utilized by many companies and organizations, including the Sanders' campaign to express distress at not being paid a "living wage."
"I am struggling financially to do my job, and in my state, we've already had 4 people quit in the past 4 weeks because of financial struggles," one worker told Shakir via the service, according to the Post.
https://www.newsweek.com/sanders-campaign-battles-staff-demanding-15-hourly-pay-which-candidate-says-should-federal-1450103
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George II
(67,782 posts).....have demanded that Amazon and Walmart pay their employees $15/hour.
"None of the others" doesn't work when the self-proclaimed champion of $15/hour doesn't even do it himself.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,370 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
trueblue2007
(17,203 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,086 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
myohmy2
(3,155 posts)...they're really coming after Bernie...he must be doing something right...
...or saying things the establishment corporatists don't want said...
...doesn't that make you love him more?
...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,123 posts)are complaining.. did you even read what they had to say about their working conditions?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Although weve seen these double standards from him for years.
Hi Cha!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,123 posts)these working conditions.. I read it was leaked to the media. They are the ones who wanted the spotlight on this.. and I think they deserve it.
Hi RB!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)for Sanders if he cant even meet his own standards set forth for others.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
...Bernie's trying to form a 'Team Bernie Organizing Fellowship'?
...I'm not sure if this applies,
The Daily Beast, 7-12-2019
" Unpaid interns are practically non-existent among Democratic presidential campaigns in 2019. But some top-tier candidates appear to be finding a creative way to tap unpaid talent: offering vague fellowship opportunities as volunteer positions. "
..
Volunteers are asked to do something, workers are told, Renée Hagerty, an executive council member for the Campaign Workers Guild, said. Everyone whos performing work on a campaign should be paid.
For Bidens campaign, the Team Joe Organizing Fellowship consists of an eight-week program that includes weekly online trainings in grassroots and digital organizing, according to the listing, which closed this week. Unlike the internship program, which is paid $15 per hour, the fellowship program makes no mention of wages, academic credit, or time commitments.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/elizabeth-warrens-and-joe-bidens-presidential-campaigns-appear-to-find-loophole-around-paid-internships
"...the fellowship program makes no mention of wages, academic credit, or time commitments."
...do you know what/if Joe pays his fellowship 'volunteers'?...I might want to apply...
...thanks...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,123 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Nanjeanne
(4,935 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,123 posts)this.. they want more pay and benefits.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,086 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Speaking of hypocrisy...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,123 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,086 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Not in this thread.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,123 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,123 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,086 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)like has been cried for again and again.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,086 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
trueblue2007
(17,203 posts)I see his attitude as really negative. He doesn't have a good thing to say about anything. Where is the WARMTH and encircling us with goodness and cherishing our country? I need someone also who shows love to our country!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,123 posts)And, it looks like we're not the only ones!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,456 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Some of the other workers, who are salaried, are getting less because they're working 60 hours a week.
The campaign manager offered to give them a raise. The union is instead demanding that raise plus additional benefits.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TomCADem
(17,387 posts)"I'm very proud to be the first presidential candidate to recognize a union and negotiate a union contract," the Vermont senator and presidential candidate told the Des Moines Register in an interview Friday. "And that contract was ratified by the employees of the campaign, and it not only provides pay of at least $15 an hour, it also provides, I think, the best health care benefits that any employer can provide for our field organizers." He also expressed frustration that staffers had taken their complaints to the media.
"It does bother me that people are going outside of the process and going to the media," he said. "That is really not acceptable. It is really not what labor negotiations are about, and it's improper."
Sanders said, ahead of a weekend Iowa campaign swing: "We are disappointed that some individuals have decided to damage the integrity of these efforts. We are involved in negotiations. And some are individuals that have decided to damage the integrity of that process before they were concluded."
Sanders said field organizers, who are the lowest-ranking members of a presidential campaign and are typically in their 20s, make $36,000 a year with 100% employer-paid health care, as well as paid vacation and sick leave.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,143 posts)
"Clinton pays her Press Secretary, Brian Fallon, $93,000 and similarly, her Digital Director, Jenna Lowenstein, receives $92,000. Her Operations Director, Marisa McAuliffe, makes $85,000 a year. And $43,542.72 is the standard salary for one of her field employees."
Individuals self-reporting their salaries on glass door:
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Hillary-Clinton-for-President-Salaries-E234961.htm
Not only did she pay health insurance, she kept paying it with the remaining money in her campaign account all the way through the end of the year.
https://www.glassdoor.com/Benefits/Hillary-Clinton-for-President-US-Benefits-EI_IE234961.0,29_IL.30,32_IN1.htm
"Health insurance policy was amazing. Had all my benefits worked out and we retained insurance until the end of the year."
"401K program is rare to have for ANY campaign"
Now that's treating one's staff well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,456 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,430 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,370 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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MichMan
(11,901 posts)Has the Sanders campaign and the union ratified an agreement or not?
If so, the contract is what it is, and both sides need to live up to the terms. Otherwise they shouldn't have agreed to it in the first place.
Is the union complaint that the Sanders campaign is violating the terms of the labor contract? Or that they dont like what they had already ratified?
If the former, then there is a process to file a grievance with the NLRB and get a ruling forcing the campaign to adhere to the contract as written. They could also picket the debates in Detroit( a very union friendly town) and embarrass Bernie.
If they just dont like the contract they signed, then that ship has sailed. They still have to follow it whether they have second thoughts or not. How overtime is handled is fundamental in every single labor contract. You dont get a do over
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)We know that even far left candidates for president have long lines of applicants eager to kick start or boost their careers, heck to get any involvement, experience, excitement at all, paid or not.
So what I really don't get is why he doesn't insist on the basic qualities employers usually do and that most of us want to see in our candidates themselves. Both this election and last he's surrounded himself with agents I literally wouldn't hire to stock shelves.
I've never understood his choices, not meeting the standards he insists others should just more of the same. I'm sure he has a reason, though, maybe something about we have to stop the capitalists from exploiting workers...?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,086 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MichMan
(11,901 posts)Detroit is a very labor friendly city and they would get a lot of support.
Wonder if the other candidates would cross the picket line ?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,086 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mike Nelson
(9,951 posts)
he's one of the front-runners, too! I hope the others (Biden, Warren, Harris workers) are making a living. Unless, you're independently wealthy, you need money while working on a campaign. I would think those working for Bernie and the front-runners would be making the most money.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,123 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,086 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,123 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)Some agitators decided to try to make a mountain out of molehill. Once Sanders engaged the union with a fresh round of discussions, the issue was resolved quickly and to everyone's satisfaction.
Today's CNN report is
Bernie Sanders says campaign has reached agreement with staffers for higher pay
http://cnn.com/2019/07/23/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-union-salary-offer-cnntv
Veteran journalist Jon Margolis stated
In this case, Bernie Sanders is neither a hypocrite nor a heartless employer. He and his campaign honored the contract they signed. The complaints, it seems, came not from the union, but from a segment small or large we do not know of field workers who were dissatisfied with the agreement.
http://vtdigger.org/2019/07/22/margolis-sanders-staff-complaints-about-poverty-wages-fall-short
and the official statement from UFCW Local 400, which calls out the campaign for its efforts, is
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)$17 per hour
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden