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[crazytown]

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[standingtall]

1. Why just white working class men?

52% of white women also voted for Trump and if white men are excluded that will happen again.

[crazytown]

3. Not now they don't

[standingtall]

6. that cannot be confirmed until Trump loses

but if he does lose I suspect he wont do as well with white men as he did in 2016 either.

[House of Roberts]

2. Wait.

I'm a white working class man. Don't lump me in with those cretins.

[crazytown]

4. Thanks, I've changed the OP

... I was talking about Trump voters.

[redstateblues]

7. I'm also a white working class male

[crazytown]

9. Do you approve of Trump?

That was what the OP was about - winning over dissaffected white working class voters rather than getting out the base vote.

[redstateblues]

17. Stupid question. We can chew gum and walk at the same time. Nice shift BTW

[redstateblues]

5. There are no Democratic candidates whose strategy is appeasing white working class men

Having said that, Hillary proved that totally ignoring three states with large numbers of working class voters is a losing proposition and it cost her the election.

[crazytown]

8. Lower Democratic turnout cost Hillary the election.

There is not doubt about it. A third of those who stayed home were black.

[Trenzalore]

12. Higher African American turnout in PA would have moved that out of his column

Hillary underperformed with the base.

[House of Roberts]

16. We don't know that they didn't turn out.

They certainly didn't get their votes to count.
We could have lost on uncounted provisional ballots.

[redstateblues]

19. Ignore those 3 states again and re-elect Trump

Joe can win them back. Maybe Kamala. Warren probably not

[crazytown]

24. GOTV

One thing we can all agree on.

[StarfishSaver]

31. Black people live in those states, too

They don't have to be convinced to vote Democratic. They just need to be assured their vote will count and be counted and then helped to get to the polls.

Focus on turning them out rather than expend energy trying to convince white men to change their vote - if they're still not sure if they're going to vote for Trump at this point, why waste time on them? We can talk to them until we're blue in the face but I don't trust them any further than I can throw them ... And the last thing we need to do is break our necks trying to change their minds, getting them to say, they'll vote Democratic only to have them turn around and vote for Trump anyway because their cousin Bubba changed their minds back in the car ride on the way to the polls.

[Trenzalore]

39. I live in PA. I'll focus on my backyard. You focus on yours.

[redstateblues]

41. I'm in TN but I phone bank to NC. TN is not in play.

[JI7]

25. that has more to do with striking down voting rights and other suppresion

[crazytown]

26. Russian 2016 Operations Targeted African-Americans

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/17/us/politics/russia-2016-influence-campaign.html

[Trenzalore]

40. PA was run by a democratic governor

She underperformed.

[redstateblues]

42. Might have helped if she hadn't taken PA for granted

[MrsCoffee]

28. Treason cost Hillary the election.

But nice try.

[Trenzalore]

11. The idea that Trump voters can be reached is a fallacy

The way to beat Trump is bringing out the democratic base. This is a base election. There is not much of a middle and there is not much persuasion to be done.

[Dawson Leery]

14. Run up the numbers on our side.

[crazytown]

15. ?

[brer cat]

18. I hope that the white women who supported trump

are moving away, but I'm not seeing it among the trumpers I know. They are holding fast just as the white men are.

I totally agree with you. We need to stay focused on our base and GOTV.

[crazytown]

20. I suspect most white women who have changed their minds

are not going to advertise it. On the other hand, hard core trumpers never shut up.

[myohmy2]

21. I'm...

...an older white male who happens to look very very republican...and I totally agree with you...

" A strategy aimed at appeasing white working class men, rather than getting out the base vote to is misconceived..."

...at the very least...

…we're never going to get a strong majority of white males even if white males were a larger voting bloc...so, why bother?

...focus on unifying our big, beautiful and diverse Progressive base...that's where the power's at...

...that's where the power will be on election day in 2020...trump grooms and feeds his base...he knows where it's at...

...I kid you not...

[jcgoldie]

22. So 8% of "liberals" support Trump...

Wut?

[crazytown]

23. Indeed.

Liberal with the truth I think.

[Midnight Writer]

27. No policies will "appeal" to them. They must be approached from a stance of dominance.

Belief me. It's like a Wild Kingdom thing. They instinctually long to be part of a pack with a strong leader.

[emmaverybo]

29. Don't have to appease to not cede the vote. For instance, Dems have not courted rural voters, do

not spend money establishing a presence in rural areas and campaigning there. Similarly, we should not ignore different demographic groups.

An effort can be made to educate voters which, though lost on Trump cultists, might be appreciated by Dem white workers. No one said appease their racism or sexism, did they?
PS Dems have seriously neglected the Asian/Pacific Islander vote. The younger generation tecentl6 voting democratic.

[crazytown]

30. Yes. "appease" is a bit sour.

My point is, I guess, Trump's strategy is to get out his base. The first priority of Democrats has to be getting out the base. The conventional strategy of toning it down, moving to the center in the GE, is not relevant this time - the strategy in the primaries & the GE is basically the same - Get Democrats out to vote. (EDIT: If I was arguing Joe Biden's case, I would say, it is the depth of his support with African Americans, Moderates and Unions that is more important than his wider appeal. Playing down unions in the GE this time would be a mistake IMO).

[aikoaiko]

32. As if turnout hasn't been pushed and stressed every single election, too.

Truth is we can't afford to not go after potential swing voters and we can't afford to not to turn out our demographic base.

[crazytown]

33. Trump is doubling down on his base,

not courting potential swing voters. This GE will be base versus base.

EDIT: White Men (not college graduates) ARE his base - 64/33. These are the Send Them Homers.

[aikoaiko]

34. Sure, but 33% if white men (not college grads) are important to us to fight for.

And increasing that percentage by 2 - 5% can help win elections in the midwest.

It has to be both.

[crazytown]

35. Are 23% of White Evangelicals who don't support Trump also important?

My point is, Trump will be targeting, putting all his effort into his base, including White Evangelicals and Non College Graduate Men. I am not suggesting giving up, or alienating any group, but the greatest returns (by far) is getting out our base. It's a question of priorities.

[DesertRat]

36. "Trump Won Because Of Lower Democratic Turnout"

In 2020 must GOTV!!

[Gothmog]

37. Yep

We need to focus on Democratic base voters and not try to convert trump voters

[crazytown]

38. As Trump is doubling down on his base

Voters who identify as moderates have moved firmly the Democratic column 31/63 (34%).