Tensions Between Bernie Sanders and MSNBC Boil Over

[Uncle Joe]

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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) and MSNBC have always had a complicated relationship. Sanders, a top-tier contender for the Democratic nomination, has long questioned the news media’s biases, while pundits have taken fresh shots at the Vermont senator this cycle. But officials in Sanders’ campaign contend that leading up to the 2020 election, the network is one of several cable news outlets directly contributing to a media climate where false claims go unchecked and requests for progressive voices on-air are frequently turned down.

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Rocah’s comments—which multiple campaign officials contended went too far—were part of a larger issue they see brewing, where the fact-checking process appears to be largely removed from the day-to-day political discourse among some commentators and hosts.

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“It doesn’t even have to be ‘rah rah rah, Bernie Sanders!’” Turner said, pointing to Zerlina Maxwell, an MSNBC political analyst and former official on Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign who shared the segment with Rocah. “Just someone who would push back.”

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But Sanders’ campaign argues the incident was not isolated. “There’s no effort to push for fact-based analysis,” one campaign official told The Daily Beast. “Cable news allows that sort of spin to exist in the world in a way that doesn’t get checked.”

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-war-between-bernie-sanders-and-msnbc-reaches-a-new-peak

[SouthernProgressive]

1. There is no one he isn't fighting against.

From his campaigns own union to the media. He has even created his own state ran “media” outlet. I know someone else who campaigns just like this. And to be clear, his senate staff has done work for his “media” outlets.

Comparing democrats to Trump? Check.

Fighting union organizer in an attempt to not pay fair wages? Check.

Attacking the media? Check.

Showing up at an event last minute when another candidate is the headline speaker? Check.

Comparing a democrats proposal that would expand the number of people who have healthcare to a terrorist attack? Check.

The list goes on and I didn’t embellish one thing.

[Uncle Joe]

3. The corporate media conglomerates are the corporate media conglomerates and

that's the water the American People swim in.

It's also absolutely undeniable that the corporate media conglomerates (all six of them which own approximately 90% of American televised, radio and print information) have built in, inherent financial conflicts of interest with policies that promote the public interest over the private no matter the merit of the argument.

This is the elephant (coincidentally the Republican symbol) in the room.

[SouthernProgressive]

6. No way.

Say it ain’t so.

There is an overall right wing bias. It’s not a Sanders thing. Another area where he could coalition build but decides to make it about self interests. Just like all of the other accurate statements I put forward above.

[mr_lebowski]

51. Where was he doing that, exactly?

This is a very important point, and worthy of discussion.

Nothing I see in the story shouts out that he's making it a 'self-interest' thing.

Maybe you can read between the lines in a way I'm missing ... so feel free to share ... actual details.

[SouthernProgressive]

52. It's blatant.

Stop looking to read between any lines. We’re talking middle of the lane.

[wasupaloopa]

8. No, god gave us a brain which we use to analyze and to make up our minds.

The MSM does not do our thinking for us. We can see the truth when it is presented.

[Uncle Joe]

10. Garbage in garbage out, here is your key qualifier.

The MSM does not do our thinking for us. We can see the truth when it is presented.

[LanternWaste]

12. I'm certain you'll allege to know garbage from non-garbage.

Seems everyone alleges that very thing.

'Garbage' advertises our sacred cows in a negative light.' Non-garbage' lifts our sacred cows into their earned righteousness.

Garbage, indeed.

[Uncle Joe]

14. It has been garbage in garbage out for almost forty years with

them in regards to covering critical, substantive policies and politics affecting the American People, no matter the candidate.

Trump is the result of this long term dumbing down of the nation by the corporate media conglomerates while almost always promoting private interests over the public good or the public good as best served by private interests versus "We the People."

[JudyM]

48. Yep. They restrict and shape our marketplace of ideas.

[Blue_true]

45. So the same media that fawned over Bernie Sanders in 2016

are attacking him today? His message has not changed, other than millionaires have been dropped from his canned responses to any question.

The media likes blood and conflict. In 2016 it had Hillary's emails and Bill's past indescretions. Today it has Bernie and his campaign management fighting with his own campaign's Union, and Elizabeth Warren draining away Bernie's wealthier and better educated progressive supporters.

[silentEcho]

40. He has had practice. This has been his four decade position thru out time in congress.

Everyone is against him. Not sounding like effective leadership.

[George II]

2. Even Chris Hayes, who used to have him on his show about once a week, is souring on him.

[Cha]

4. I was just going to say...

What about his buddy, Chris Hayes?.. who always had him on his show and I've seen Hayes defend him on Twitter. He's on msnbc.

[NurseJackie]

9. My respect for CH has now gone up just a little bit.

[BootinUp]

15. Lol nt

[Kahuna7]

5. I share Rocah's opinion of Bernie, but also agree with (gasp) Nina....

MSNBC's anchors and contributors have been and are acting as advocates for their own preferred candidates. That's why I stopped watching. I don't like it when they bash Biden or any candidate.

[SouthernProgressive]

11. Stop looking at the big picture.

Stop trying to apply your thoughts in a well reasoned manner.

I have very little respect for this.

[Cha]

18. lol

[Kahuna7]

21. I'll try....

[hlthe2b]

13. I like Rocah, but her comment was too personal. I detest Nina and think she is a destructive force

for his campaign.

I don't deny that MSNBC and CNN hosts have their own favorites and that the network has some poorly disguised promotion of the "winners v losers".

I don't dislike Sanders and I credit him for doing a lot of good overall in messaging progressive ideals. He's not my favorite by any means, but I do try to be fair.

[Cha]

22. This interesting.. evidently from the Nicole Wallace show..

great discussion on Nicole Wallace today she asked the Democratic pundits on her show why it is that they dis Biden all the time but when she talks to people she knows, man on the street, they all love and want Biden to be the nominee.

Sort of nailed it for me. Watch TV and Biden is a loser (according to dems!) but my friends love and want him.

Glad to see he's doing so well.

Thank You!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=202862

Btw, did Hillary get to complain about msnbc and Andrea Mitchell running on her "damn emails" all the time? In the General Election against trump?

[Farmer-Rick]

7. We need to identify what "news" really means

Fox is not news and should not be allowed to call itself news. The same applies to any news outlet. They shouldn't be allowed to use fake stories and lies yet label themselves news. There should be some standards to be considered a real "news" program.

I'm not advocating censorship. Go ahead a publish all the lies and Russian propaganda you want. Just don't call yourself a news outlet.

I know that in the past newspapers were just as bad but that does not make it OK. There is so much info out there today that a sorting process of some kind is required. May be a sliding scale like 100 means you only publish facts and 1 means you are O'Keefe. It it is Not about liberal or not. It is about facts and lies.

[PDittie]

56. polling

Link to tweet

[NYMinute]

16. MSNBC is vetting Sanders like everyone else

except Chris Hayes who is in the tank for Bernie.

Bernie doesn't like being vetted by anyone.

[Uncle Joe]

17. That wasn't vetting by Rocha based on any factual evidence,

it was just personal trashing which received no push back or counter point.

It was just corporate media conglomerate propaganda.

[Kahuna7]

19. Nina does have her nerve. How often does she appear to vouch for...

Bernie and spin her version of events without countering push back. She shouldn't expect to have it both ways.

[Uncle Joe]

20. Nina represents Bernie, supposedly the "free press"

should at least to some degree be honest brokers.

[NYMinute]

31. Nina's dreams of becoming a cabinet secretary

or an ambassador are going up in smoke. How long before she switches to Jill Stein?

[MrsCoffee]

58. Sometime around the convention.

Because I doubt Bernie will leave before then even if he has no path, like last time.

I hear he is counting on a brokered convention. Probably why his campaign is the most negative. Can't have unity.

[Cha]

23. Exactly.

[pecosbob]

24. The trap is to think MSNBC is any different than any other network at the board level

They are all in the tank for the corporate aristocracy...always have been. Even back in the sixties when we all perceived them as neutral arbiters of the truth. Only back then the corporate world hadn't gone psycho and still had the foolish idea that they were responsible members of the community. As Oddball said, "definitely an anti-social type".

[Uncle Joe]

25. Fundamentally, they are happy with the status quo,

the corporate media conglomerates have made a killing at it, so to them, how could the system be dysfunctional?

It's the water they swim in.

[JudyM]

49. "Happy with the status quo" makes them sound passive. They are anything but that...

They are in the business of shaping the news to support their business.

[Uncle Joe]

55. Well put JudyM.

[Amimnoch]

26. Attack the media.. Sounds so familiar somehow. -NT.

[comradebillyboy]

27. Bernie seems to want the same kind of adoring and uncritical press

coverage he got in 2015-2016. Back then MSNBC and the rest attacked Hillary ceaselessly. Now Bernie is getting some bad press and he really doesn't know how to handle it at all.

[Uncle Joe]

29. The OP directly refutes your assumption. n/t

[Me.]

28. With All The Times He's Been On

and the amount of adoration Chris Hayes shows to him and no one else? Someone needs to get a grip. Not everyone is in love with him.

[Uncle Joe]

30. No one ever expected the corporate media conglomerates to "be in love" with Bernie,

we're just fighting for them to at the very least resemble honest brokers.

[Me.]

32. Oh Please You Can Hardly Turn On Sunday Television

without him being on. This is such nonsense.

[Uncle Joe]

33. That has nothing to do with the subject at hand. n/t

[Me.]

34. It Certainly Does

Someone said something that hurt his feelings on the TeeVee. If he were president he'd have to live with that sort of thing every day.

[Cha]

36. I don't have a tv but

reading DU.. I can verify that. I even asked once.. Why is he on the TV all the time?!

[Me.]

37. He Has Been On The Shows The Last Several Weeks

and recently on MSNBC in the evening. More than the other candidates for sure so why the whine?

[Cha]

38. he wants on more?

I like what you said about.. "someone said something bad about him on tv.. and if he were potus he'd have that everyday..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=210864

Just ask President Obama.

hoaloha

[Me.]

39. Or Ask HRC What She Went Through

and he certainly wasn't kind to her

AlohaHoa to you

[Vegas Roller]

42. Yeah .. the same Obama that BS wanted primaried in 2012 n/t

[corbettkroehler]

35. CNN Scored Big Ratings With Its Bernie Bias - MSNBC Followed Suit

I wish I were surprised.

[Vegas Roller]

41. Bernie Bias

[Gothmog]

43. Bernie is fighting with or is unhappy with most of the media

Is there any mainstream media source that sanders is not fighting with?

Link to tweet

"This isn't intended to be a sweeping generalization of all journalists,” he told POLITICO, “but there are a healthy number who just find Bernie annoying, discount his seriousness, and wish his supporters and movement would just go away.”...

Journalists who cover Sanders, meanwhile, dispute many of those criticisms. They say if he gets less attention than other candidates, it’s because he’s often unwilling to address breaking news and shies away from impromptu Q&A sessions, or gaggles, after events.....

Sanders “wants to talk about what he wants to talk about, when he wants to talk about it,” said one reporter who covered the candidate in 2016 and 2019. “And he doesn't see the value of talking to reporters about what they want to talk about because, in part, he thinks they’re going to talk about what he considers stupid stuff.”

He doesn’t hesitate to make that disdain known, either. The New York Times disclosed in May that Sanders declined an interview for a piece on his time as mayor of Burlington, Vt., including a 1985 meeting with Daniel Ortega, the president of Nicaragua and a foe of the Reagan administration. After the story was published, Sanders requested a phone interview, eventually telling the reporter, “You don’t understand a word that I’m saying.”....

He doesn’t have much patience for reporters who want him to talk about anything other than that agenda. “Good Morning America” host George Stephanopoulos kicked off an interview Thursday by telling Sanders that voters want to know more about him as a person.

[Vegas Roller]

44. BS has no room to complain

He is on one or more of the Sunday talk shows every frigging week.

He gets enough publicity. The problem is not the media. The problem is that people are getting sick of his divisive rhetoric.

[NurseJackie]

57. I know that I certainly am.

The problem is that people are getting sick of his divisive rhetoric.

I know that I certainly am.

[silentEcho]

46. HRC, Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Warren, none of our Democrats whine, blame or accuse the media.

Except Sanders. Anyone notice that? I mean if anyone had a reason to go after media it was HRC and not once.

[TheFarseer]

47. I saw a clip where

One talking head says "He just makes my skin crawl. I don't know why" and everyone else just goes along with it. Wtf kind of journalism is that? You can just say you don't like someone and have no reason?!? And that passes for thoughtful analysis on msnbc?

[RandySF]

50. Working the ref.

I didn't hear any complaints when he skated through the 2016 primaries with barely any scrutiny.

[Gothmog]

53. I really like Mimi Rocah

She is a great attorney

[aidbo]

54. If she had said 'Joe Biden makes my skin crawl', people here would be calling to have her fired.

Bunch of hypocrites.

[Blue_true]

59. Oh gee. Bernie is getting properly vetted this time around. nt