VP Biden: 'he didn't think anyone thought Trump "would be as bad as he is" '

[KitSileya]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Politicsinsider/status/1153832819778449409


This is an incredibly worrying statement. Secretary Clinton warned, again and again, of how bad Trump was. She was ridiculed and dismissed. Many activists, journalists, experts and the like did the same - especially those with minority background were painted as hysterical and conspiracy theorists. A majority of Black voters (93% of Black women! So vote like a Black woman in 2020) saw thru him and understood how bad he would be. That VP Biden didn't, shows a stunning lack of discernment. That he didn't hear the warnings from the previously mentioned people, so that he would say that he didn't think anyone saw it coming, adds to the worrying picture of a man who not only could not and cannot see the danger we're in, but also is in a bubble so that he doesn't hear the warnings of people who have a better understanding than him. Do we want someone like that to be President?

[Cha]

1. I'm not "worried".. we knew

he was going to be extremely bad.. but gd if he isn't freaking WAY WORSE.

[highplainsdem]

5. Exactly. And we have thousands and thousands of posts here about each new outrage, many of them

using words like "just when you thought Trump couldn't go any lower..."

[Cha]

7. That's right, highplainsdem! Thank You!

And, there's this poster below saying.. "Biden's privilege didn't let him see it or some such Crap.

[PatSeg]

23. That's the way I see it

We all knew he'd be horrible and yes, he was and is far worse than I could have imagined. Sounds like some people are nitpicking every word that has come out of Biden's mouth.

[Cha]

26. Ikr.. OH THE OUTRAGE over NOTHING.

Even Hillary said in 2017 that he's WORSE.. in 2017 so we can imagine what she's thinking NOW.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287210755

[PatSeg]

32. I am quite sure

no one ever imagined that Trump would be as bad as he as turned out to be. What is scary is he is getting progressively worse. There seems to be no bottom with him and his god-awful administration.

Meanwhile, I noticed at least three threads on this subject. A whole lot of outrage over absolutely nothing and I am quite sure it won't affect anyone's opinion on Biden.

[Cha]

33. Exactly.. "trump is getting progressively

worse.." There's no bottom to his depravity.

[PatSeg]

35. It is all beyond anything

I ever imagined I would witness in this country.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

2. His privilege blinded him. People who don't have privilege knew exactly what was coming.

For him to be unaware of that is indeed dismaying. Does he not listen to other perspectives? Does he listen, but discount them?

[Cha]

6. Oh "his privilege".. BULL.. Biden

cares about this country, her people, and the Planet as much as anyone else who cares.

We knew trump was going to be Extremely BAD but he's FReaking WAY WORSE.

[padah513]

8. Exactly

With Trump, if you think today is bad, wait until tomorrow

[Cha]

19. Yeah, Biden is right. trump is

fucking way worse.

So much for the latest "outrage" against Biden.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

10. He definitely cares! He's a good person. But to be surprised about what's happening in this

country and what will continue to happen is to indicate that a person didn't listen to people who were predicting these very days, most of whom were marginalized in various ways.

[Cha]

13. Biden's not surprised.. he's right..

highplainsdem has it exactly right..

15. Even here, Shred, we've had countless posts saying "just when you think Trump can't get any worse"

or "just when you think Trump can't go any lower" -- not to mention all the "WTF???!!!" posts -- as new outrages come to light.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=210705

[WhiskeyGrinder]

15. Sure, there are plenty of people who didn't think Trump could be this bad. They, too, were either in

denial, believed their privilege would protect them or thought other people were overreacting. Having to go through the shock and WTF???!!! every time something new comes up wastes a lot of valuable energy and time that could be used to take action.

[highplainsdem]

18. We've seen continual shock and outrage here over what Trump does. Really don't recall very many

people here yawning or acting blase or saying, "Well, we knew he'd be this bad" or "Honestly, I expected him to be worse."

We have seen a lot of posts about how Trump and his admin keep getting worse.

Biden never said he thought Trump would be a good or competent president. He just said people didn't expect him to be this bad.

And in that, IMO, he's correct.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

21. Right, but I'm not talking about the reactions here on DU, which trends old and white.

I'm talking about reading Black Twitter (as well as other marginalized groups on Twitter), marginalized voices via Medium and other niche platforms and so on. Plenty of people were predicting these depths, and while they are not in continual shock and outrage, they're not yawning, either, because they are always on the front lines.

[highplainsdem]

29. Do you have any examples of well-known people saying those things, or maybe credible polls of them

believing Trump would be as bad as, or worse than, he's turned out to be?

You can find all kinds of opinions on Twitter, from QAnon and PizzaGate conspiracy theories on the far right to conspiracy theories on the far left.

DU is IMO a pretty good example of the left and center-left Democratic Party.

[PatSeg]

25. Privilege?

Apparently you know very little about Joe Biden. "Privilege" is the last thing most people think of when they think of the VP. He is a down to earth man who came from very humble beginnings.

Meanwhile, though we all knew Trump would be a terrible president, he has proven to be far worse than most, if not all of us could have imagined. And he gets worse everyday.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

34. Down to earth people who came from "very humble" to middle-class beginnings can still have plenty

of privilege. And Joe Biden certainly does. This is not a bad thing! Privilege is not bad!

[BeyondGeography]

3. Then he either wasn't paying attention or is a poor judge of character

The kinder assessment is Biden is an optimist who likes to give people the benefit of the doubt. But that's not a good fit for these times either.

[highplainsdem]

11. You would not have seen continual fury here over each new outrage by Trump and his admin, with a lot

of posts saying "just when you think he can't go any lower," if people here really had expected him to be as bad as he is.

The point Biden's making is that Trump has continued to shock people with how low he can go, how bad he can make things, how much he threatens our institutions and our democracy.

[BeyondGeography]

16. Trump's whole life has been a never-ending search for the bottom

I wish any of our candidates would just come out and say that, or any Democrat with standing for that matter. There.is.no.bottom.

Just taking the issue of race, trace the line from the Central Park Five case to the birther scam to the hateful candidacy announcement...how much more evidence do we need? That was all before he became President. And that's just one aspect of his "character."

[Skya Rhen]

9. As a black woman, I would have never imagined any President (not even Trump) telling people

of color to go back where they came from - never in my wildest dream...

[BlueWI]

37. Well, there were multiple signs.

Sued for racial discrimination in the 1970s.
Calling out the Central Park 5 even after their exoneration.
Leading voice of the racist birther nonsense.
Wall around Mexico.
Any of the campaign appearance where his racist remarks invited the crowd to assault POC.

Not sure how much more signaling of blatant racism was needed.

[qazplm135]

12. yeah I don't think it is

it's not like Biden supported Trump or argued that folks shouldn't worry about it.

I'm pretty sure if you asked Clinton if Trump has exceeded her worst fears, she'd say yes.

[Cha]

14. Thank you.

[highplainsdem]

24. She said that in September 2017:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287210755

[crazytown]

17. There is a difference between knowing Trump is a Nazi

and foreseeing how far he would get down the Nazi path. Some may have foreseen he would face no opposition to speak of in the GOP, but that was not certain. If principled Republicans, and not so principled media outlets had pushed back earlier, we would not have got to the 'Send her back' stage. This is what VP Biden is standing against, as he made clear from the outset, an existential threat to the Republic.

[LanternWaste]

20. No one predicted the actual depths of IdiotRump's buffoonery.

No one knew the dial could be set that low. Dials have not yet been made that can set that low.

Many people will allege they knew he'd do precisely as he is currently doing; but those allegations will be the entirety of the evidence we'll be presented with supporting it.

[mtnsnake]

28. No one, that is, but millions upon millions of people who did exactly that. n/t

[highplainsdem]

22. Hillary Clinton said the same thing in September, 2017. See this thread:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287210755

[BlueWI]

38. The Clinton's went to one of his weddings and play golf

on his courses. I would hope they'd be wary by 2017.

[Vegas Roller]

27. I bet even Putin didn't think he would be this bad

I bet Putin is beating his head against the wall saying, "what was I thinking?"

[Cha]

30. Hillary Clinton on trump: "He's been even worse than I thought he would be"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287210755

So anyone going to get OUTRAGED at Hillary now?! smh.

[Dream Girl]

31. This black won't knew he would be bad, but not this bad

Nice twisting of his words and bringing in the race card. My god, you should be ashamed of yourself!

[Cha]

36. Yes Kit I want Joe Biden to

be President..

And, I'll post this again since I got no response when I posted it before.

Hillary Clinton on trump: "He's been even worse than I thought he would be"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287210755