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Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:16 PM

 

Bernie Sanders Has MSNBC Tripping Over Words




Good interview.
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Reply Bernie Sanders Has MSNBC Tripping Over Words (Original post)
Uncle Joe Jul 2019 OP
qazplm135 Jul 2019 #1
efhmc Jul 2019 #2
Vegas Roller Jul 2019 #3
mcar Jul 2019 #8
Watchfoxheadexplodes Jul 2019 #4
SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #5
George II Jul 2019 #6
Politicub Jul 2019 #9
Gothmog Jul 2019 #12
ProfessorPlum Jul 2019 #10
SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #14
ProfessorPlum Jul 2019 #15
SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #16
TheFarseer Jul 2019 #18
SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #19
ProfessorPlum Jul 2019 #20
SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #22
ProfessorPlum Jul 2019 #23
SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #24
TheFarseer Jul 2019 #26
SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #27
TheFarseer Jul 2019 #28
SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #31
TheFarseer Jul 2019 #35
ProfessorPlum Jul 2019 #29
SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #32
ProfessorPlum Jul 2019 #36
ProfessorPlum Jul 2019 #21
SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #25
ProfessorPlum Jul 2019 #30
SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #33
ProfessorPlum Jul 2019 #34
JudyM Jul 2019 #7
Uncle Joe Jul 2019 #17
Gothmog Jul 2019 #11
Gothmog Jul 2019 #13

Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:33 PM

1. "the disdain for Bernie Sanders"

 

"...that you would never see for any other candidate"

Except of course, the disdain for Hillary Clinton among Sanders' supporters in the Dem Primary (and after).
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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:38 PM

2. Distain is actually a nicer word than I would use.

 

nt
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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:40 PM

3. And now directed at real Democrats nt

 

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 01:34 PM

8. And among the "liberal" media

 

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Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:44 PM

4. The dwindling bernie media fan club

 

Tyt sam seder and pakman
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Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:49 PM

5. TYT? Shouldn't spread rw sources. NT

 

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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 01:31 PM

6. I'm glad they put that "TYT" in the upper corner, saved me from clicking on the video.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 01:37 PM

9. Ha! I saw that, too, and decided not to click it either.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 04:41 PM

12. Same here

 

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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 04:26 PM

10. you are so off base.

 

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 04:46 PM

14. No, I am not. He has a long standing history of being a sexist right winger.

 

He spends most all of his efforts on damaging the progressive movement while making bank off off uneducated folks.

He is a more intelligent form of HA Goodman.

How did Cenks rally to change the election go? The most important rally in recent history, as Cenks egotistical ass called it.
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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #14)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 05:29 PM

15. If by long you mean decades ago

 

His show is progressive, pro-women, and much farther to the left than DU. Don't dump on allies.
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Response to ProfessorPlum (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 06:08 PM

16. That's not the left. He is no ally.

 

He calls Pelosi the “serial bungler.”

Go tell him to stop dumping on allies. He and Trump making up shitty names for Democrats. You are telling me to stick up for him as an ally when he intentionally and relentlessly goes after progressives and great Democrats.
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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 07:54 PM

18. Sports analogy

 

Just because a fan wants a “failing” coach fired, doesn’t mean they aren’t a fan. We can talk about if the coach is “failing” or not, but it’s insulting to question someone’s fandom in this scenario. Cenk absolutely told TYT viewers to vote Hillary.
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Response to TheFarseer (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 06:13 AM

19. Your sports amplify is way off the mark.

 

Cent has relentlessly attacked Clinton.

He plays for the other team and tailors his message to those who get excited about deflection, Trump like names, and brazen dishonesty. He simply found easy marks to make money off of.
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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 10:23 AM

20. this is simply a dishonest, ad hominem attack

 

Cenk got behind Clinton after the primaries, when Trump was still a threat. He is not right wing at all, and goes for reason- and science-based policy solutions and progressive politics.

I don't know who "Cent" is, you obviously don't ever watch the show.
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Response to ProfessorPlum (Reply #20)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 10:35 AM

22. This is dishonest.

 

"you obviously don't ever watch the show."

Sorry "Cent" threw you for a loop. I think most would make the connection.

"I don't know who "Cent" is"


?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E741072273767989248&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.realclearpolitics.com%2Fvideo%2F2016%2F06%2F10%2Fcenk_uygur_shocked_by_poll_saying_80_of_his_audience_would_never_vote_for_hillary_clinton.html

He is shocked it wasn't a higher percentage. He worked his ass off to damage Clinton.


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"Here’s who 100% responsible: the losers at the DNC and Hillary Clinton and her entire staff, that’s who is responsible,” Uygur said. "We were right and they were wrong. We said pick Bernie Sanders who had a lead over Trump, but in their incompetence and corruption they said no, we all want to have jobs and Hillary will give us a job even though she’s demonstrably the worst candidate according to the polling." Cenk

He promoted Clinton as such all of the way along. Cenk got who he worked hard for. It's the message he delivered to low information voters.

“Tell the American people why you want to be president, how are you going to help them? More of the same is the worst platform I’ve ever seen!”

There is another mind boggling ignorant comment of Cenk that went out to his minions.

He is corrupt. Mentally bankrupt. He trashed Clinton relentlessly and then said "yeah, I voted for her." Well, his disciples didn't at his own direction.

Here he is running with a known blatant tactic when your audience is nothing but low information voters.

https://www.facebook.com/CenkUygurOfficial/posts/former-hillary-clinton-staffers-have-decided-to-attack-bernie-sanders-and-cenk-u/1174894192697917/

Look at what he did to his minions if they supported Clinton. It's disgusting.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2014/6/23/1309139/-Delusional-Cenk-Uygur-Attacks-Paying-Members-of-His-Own-Network-Because-They-Support-Hillary-2016

You see, I have facts on my side.

Would you like to discuss his overt sexism next?
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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #22)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 10:58 AM

23. he thought Clinton was a great choice compared to Trump

 

and wanted the Democratic party to pick someone else as their candidate.

Do you have something where he supported Trump or any right-winger over Clinton?
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Response to ProfessorPlum (Reply #23)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 11:25 AM

24. That's funny.

 

The ratfuckers efforts are there for all to see.

Cenk is about money. Not one other thing.

He is currently doing the same thing. It's lining his bank accounts with the money of low information voters.
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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #22)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 11:31 AM

26. You're demonizing supporting your candidate in a primary

 

Based on differences on issues. I think you’re allowed to do that. June 2016 was a bad time to take a poll, right after a contentious primary wrapped up, and get a sincere answer. Anyway, I like tyt because they have a policy bias and make no bones about it. There are too many things to respond to but how is he corrupt? They’re trying to get money out of politics. That’s the opposite of corrupt! Who is shelling out big bucks to advocate for MFA and $15 minimum wage or green new deal? No one! How are those 3 ideas mentally bankrupt? You’re argument doesn’t make any sense!
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Response to TheFarseer (Reply #26)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 11:37 AM

27. He is currently lying about Democrats in the primary.

 

That is not a policy bias. He flat out lies about Democrats. Has a long history of doing it.

He has a niche he has been able to make bank off of.

All you have to do is actually listen to him to tell he is mentally bankrupt.

Those who are passionate about him don't know history. HA Goodman fooled the same group.
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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #27)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:33 PM

28. Mentally bankrupt?

 

In addition to MFA, green new deal, $15 minimum wage and other smaller policies, they put together a PAC to amend the constitution to get money out of politics with public financing. But overhauling our election cycle so people decide elections instead of money is mentally bankrupt I guess.

Also, I think you are misidentifying opinions you don’t agree with as lies.
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Response to TheFarseer (Reply #28)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:45 PM

31. He has a long history of lying about Democrats and making names for them.

 

Just like Trump.

He is mentally bankrupt. It's there for all to see.

Maybe he should get back together with Scaramucci.

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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #31)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:03 PM

35. You keep making assertions

 

And not backing it up with anything when challenged. Care to respond or just make your baseless assertion again?
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Response to TheFarseer (Reply #26)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:42 PM

29. thank you

 

the argument doesn't make any sense, and it is clearly just a dishonest attack.
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Response to ProfessorPlum (Reply #29)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:47 PM

32. You use that word again.

 

Tho the only dishonest comments to this point in our conversation have been in your replies. I highlighted one above.
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Response to TheFarseer (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:14 PM

36. that's a great analogy

 

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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #16)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 10:24 AM

21. Is Pelosi supposed to be a "progressive" in your fantasy scenario?

 

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 11:26 AM

25. Please outline the "fantasy" you are referring to.

 

Fantasies are just published papers from the sixties, you know.

Pelosi is a progressive. Only a complete idiot would argue to the contrary.

Except people like Cenk. He argues she isn't one and makes up Trump like names for her because is lines his bank accounts.
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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #25)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:43 PM

30. so . . . your position is that Cenk is to the _right_ of Pelosi?

 

Just want to clarify that.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Reply #30)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:51 PM

33. Why move away from your half claim that Pelosi isn't a progressive? That is Cenk light.

 

Stay on track with your own comments. Don't just keep kicking the can down the road as I pull out actual quote after actual quote. This is what Cenk is good at. Getting people with phrases who have little consideration for history (TYT) or facts.

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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #33)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:00 PM

34. so, you would say that Pelosi is more progressive than Cenk?

 

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Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 01:32 PM

7. Glad you posted this. I agree it's a good interview, explores good points.

 

Sanders is making a more structural case. I’m a passionate proponent of anti-corruption controls but the issues really go deeper. I’m not committed to him, but Sanders has demonstrated courage in being willing to go against consensus. I see Biden as being all about consensus, which is fine for folks who don’t see things as needing big fixes. (I still need to hear more from Warren.)

But we will simply never get rethug consensus on some absolutely urgent matters. Like giant steps that are now necessary to combat climate change and the rapidly accelerating destruction of rainforests and ocean life. We are where we are on that right now not because of tRump, but because of years of rethug refusal to step away from their donors and address the effing problem.

And like our grossly skewed election infrastructure, on which everything else ultimately depends.

And the refugee detention camps.

When tRump’s gone we will still have an irretractable mess because of the immoral, starkly unjust and unpatriotic Republican Party mentality. Which has only become emboldened by tRump’s administration and by mcconnel’s untouchable actions in STEALING a Supreme Court seat, in refusing to touch election protection, and on and on.

The time for playing nice with them is over.
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Response to JudyM (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 06:55 PM

17. Thanks for viewing the video JudyM

 

and thanks for your gracious post.
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Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 04:40 PM

11. Who cares what Cenk or the TYT think about anything?

 

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Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 04:43 PM

13. sanders is fighting with the mainstream media and losing

 

Is there any mainstream media source that sanders is not fighting with?




"This isn't intended to be a sweeping generalization of all journalists,” he told POLITICO, “but there are a healthy number who just find Bernie annoying, discount his seriousness, and wish his supporters and movement would just go away.”...

Journalists who cover Sanders, meanwhile, dispute many of those criticisms. They say if he gets less attention than other candidates, it’s because he’s often unwilling to address breaking news and shies away from impromptu Q&A sessions, or gaggles, after events.....

Sanders “wants to talk about what he wants to talk about, when he wants to talk about it,” said one reporter who covered the candidate in 2016 and 2019. “And he doesn't see the value of talking to reporters about what they want to talk about because, in part, he thinks they’re going to talk about what he considers stupid stuff.”

He doesn’t hesitate to make that disdain known, either. The New York Times disclosed in May that Sanders declined an interview for a piece on his time as mayor of Burlington, Vt., including a 1985 meeting with Daniel Ortega, the president of Nicaragua and a foe of the Reagan administration. After the story was published, Sanders requested a phone interview, eventually telling the reporter, “You don’t understand a word that I’m saying.”....

He doesn’t have much patience for reporters who want him to talk about anything other than that agenda. “Good Morning America” host George Stephanopoulos kicked off an interview Thursday by telling Sanders that voters want to know more about him as a person.
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