Sanders and women

[ProfessorPlum]

TL;DW:. Sanders has a lifetime of fighting for women's rights and was once named an honorary woman by Gloria Steinem. So ignorant TV heads who have skin that crawls had best come with research next time.

[nycbos]

1. He did attack Planned Parenthood as "part of the establishment"

[wasupaloopa]

17. How long do you have to be in the Senate to be

part of the establishment? Only Bernie can be there 10 years and not be established.

[nycbos]

20. Hence the Monty Python clip.

These come to mind for the situation as well.

Peoples front of Judea

[NurseJackie]

45. There's never a bad time for a little Python. There's a clip for every occasion!

[floppyboo]

42. Haha! This one never gets old!

I know there are people that get their backs up when 'the establishment' is used as a negative way.
Here's a way to turn that frown upside down: think of establishment as the good roots of a stable plant.
It needs pruning every now and then or it won't thrive. Sometimes it even takes a forest fire, intentional or not.
Some plants have suckers, or throw out new shoots, or you can even clone them!
Yes, they owe something to the established plant, but the established plant is either in stasis or dying. The established plant, in the great cycle of life needs its wanderers or its species dies.
The system we have now is in need of wanderers. I think of Sanders as one who is still trying to establish new roots.
Although he certainly has done an amazing job in the past few years 'establishing' himself!!! Look at the DNC platform!
Now, just to elect a leader that has some tendrils entwined in the grass roots!
Go Bernie!

[ehrnst]

86. Do you really think that the Democratic party is "in stasis or dying?" And "needs a forest fire?"

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Couldn't you also say that individuals that haven't changed, for decades, their ideas or strategies for making progress, even when new information or data come in, and societal change, "in stasis or dying?"

Are you saying that's the only way "to elect a leader that has some new tendrils entwined in the grass roots?" To continue your analogy, don't forest fires also give invasive species a chance to get a foothold and replace native plants that would otherwise flourish?

I know there are people that get their backs up when 'the establishment' is used as a negative way.
Here's a way to turn that frown upside down: think of establishment as the good roots of a stable plant.

Those referring to "The Democratic establishment" in a negative way, aren't portraying the Democratic Party as "the roots of a good stable plant," nor could getting rid of experienced leaders be called "pruning."

Some plants have suckers, or throw out new shoots, or you can even clone them!

The established plant, in the great cycle of life needs its wanderers or its species dies. The system we have now is in need of wanderers.

Suckers, shoots and wanderers originate from the established plant itself, don't they?

The biggest argument was over running as a Democrat. Over and over, Bernie Sanders said he didn’t want to. He’d spent his whole life purposefully outside the Democratic Party. He treasured his status as the longest-serving independent in Congress. Running as a Democrat wasn’t who he was. He didn’t want to do it that way.

His longtime consultant Tad Devine and the rest of the group came down hard: this is never going to have a chance of working unless you get over it. Suck it up, they told him.

.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/bernie-sanders-2016-inside-213692

What do they say about this over at JPR?

[lapucelle]

90. In an effort to better understand your analogy, I read up a bit on gardening.

Did you know that some wanderers are toxic and subject to root rot themselves?

The 2016 Democratic Platform was a product of 14 committee members, 5 selected by the DNC, 5 selected by HRC, and 4 selected by BS. Framing a collaborative effort as somehow being the product of 4 people might give some the wrong idea, especially since one of the BS platform committee representatives wound up endorsing Jill Stein before the platform was even finalized.

West was on the Democratic National Convention platform committee, but abstained from the final voting citing the party's "moral failures."

https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/politics/jill-stein-green-party-cornel-west-endorsement/index.html

Toxic wanderer indeed.

[George II]

91. The influence of those four, ultimately three, was minimal at best.

[ehrnst]

94. Interesting. (nt)

[Vegas Roller]

104. It is twisted logic to think that everyone who is not Bernie

is establishment.

[Gothmog]

35. I remember that also

[emmaverybo]

76. Hilariously fitting. NT

[silentEcho]

78. Not only that, he put out a statement that Richards needed to apologize for the "tone" of a doctored

video. Rw doctored a video and then media went after Richard and PP. Richard apologized for the tone of the video, but she continued stating the video was fake, doctored. Sanders was asked about it the day of. He hadn't educated himself or knew what the issue was. All he does is throw out that yes, Richard owed an apology for the tone of the video.

He ended up doing more damage to women because he could not spend a couple minutes to be informed what the issue was. HRC came out making it clear she stood with PP and shame on the people that doctored the video to attack PP.

It took Sanders a couple weeks to get on the right page with this mess.

Sanders does the least amount of work, to stand with women. It is not his interest and he has made it clear to all of us.

Geez, he stated that there was a real issue with sex selection in abortion here in the U.S. Who says something like that while claiming to being an advocate for women. He doesn't bother educating himself.

[betsuni]

83. +1

[dlk]

2. I'll Never Forget the 2016 Video of Bernie Shoving Jane Aside to Get to the Microphone

While she was speaking, no less. If a picture is worth a thousand words, a video can speak volumes.

[NurseJackie]

10. He was very disrespectful of a female panelist on Real Time...

He was very disrespectful of a female panelist on Real Time. I was amazed to see it. Even with the sound off, it was pretty bad.

I wonder if his campaign staff bother to talk to him about how distracting and off-putting his aggressive in-her-face gesticulations were/are.

[dlk]

61. When Someone Shows You Who They Are, Believe Them the First Time

[ehrnst]

95. +10000. Especially if they make, "I don't change" a major selling point

as a candidate....

[George II]

103. "Don't stand next to me."

[Uncle Joe]

3. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread ProfessorPlum.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

4. A Jewish guy makes her skin crawl?

Antisemite

[ProfessorPlum]

5. Meh. There is no evidence for that

She might just not like a Brooklyn accent. The problem is her complete ignorance and her desire to weaponize it.

[Peacetrain]

6. You might want to rethink that post

seriously rethink it

[NurseJackie]

12. ...

[George II]

14. The daughter of a holocaust escapee and you make a cheap, tasteless joke about her? Unbelievable.

[NurseJackie]

21. There's an old axiom about desperate times...

... and I think that applies here.

[mcar]

39. I didn't realize that

Makes the claim even more tasteless.

[NYMinute]

55. When painted into a defenseless corner

Sanders suddenly remembers being Jewish and all criticism becomes anti-Semitic.

I have seen this movie before.

[George II]

56. Growing up in Brooklyn and then Queens I saw that too many times.

[still_one]

59. Not that unbelievable

[lapucelle]

15. Mimi Rocah is Jewish.

https://www.ansheemet.org/special-shabbat-guest-mimi-rocah

[George II]

23. Some people shamelessly try to be funny about sensitive subjects.

[lapucelle]

25. It's a hateful, slanderous thing to say.

[pnwmom]

16. Rocah's father fled the Nazis, and they're Jewish. So that's not the issue.

There are lots of things Bernie has done to alienate many women. Being Jewish isn't one of them.

Link to tweet

?lang=en

Mimi Rocah
✔
@Mimirocah1

My father fled the Nazis. I grew up going to a Jewish day school in the 1980s where we had frequent bomb threats. There have always been sick people who want to kill Jews. But this atmosphere of hate & the ease of getting these weapons of mass murder are making it way too easy.

[stonecutter357]

26. so ?

[stonecutter357]

27. A Jewish guy makes her skin crawl? bernie madoff is skin crawl !

[Gothmog]

31. Mimi is a Jew

You may want to delete your post. Mimi's dislike for sanders has nothing to do with religion. Her father escaped the Holocaust

[Gothmog]

34. At least Mimi did not give a speech to the racists at Liberty Univ. on Rosh Hashanah

I was at services and I had a ton of people ask me why would a Jewish Democrat give a speech on a High Holy Day to that particular school

Link to tweet

sanders will have a hard time winning the Jewish vote due to this stunt

[sheshe2]

62. Isn't that a high Holy Day?

The High Holidays or High Holy Days, in Judaism, more properly known as the Yamim Noraim (Hebrew: ימים נוראים? "Days of Awe&quot , may mean: strictly, the holidays of Rosh Hashanah ("Jewish New Year&quot and Yom Kippur ("Day of Atonement&quot ;

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1QXKF_enUS692US706&ei=aVg6XdeIDKGKggeA7pyoCg&q=rosh+hashanah+a+high+holy+day&oq=rosh+hashanah+a+high+holy+day&gs_l=psy-ab.12..33i22i29i30.2487.10690..15135...0.0..0.136.1390.14j2......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i67j0i131j0i131i67j0j0i22i30j0i22i10i30j33i299j33i160j33i10.jJMRLfCnerE&ved=0ahUKEwiX4ay8uNHjAhUhheAKHQA3B6UQ4dUDCAo

[Gothmog]

73. Yes, sanders gave this speech to the bigots at Liberty Univ. on Rosh Hashanah

That is one of the High Holy Days. Again, I was asked during breaks at service why a Jew would give a speech to the bigots at Liberty Univ and I did not have a good answer

[sheshe2]

77. Not surprised you were unable to answer, Goth.

So this tells me, and correct me if I am wrong, that he is not a practicing Jew. Nothing wrong with that, I am not a practicing Episcopalian either.

[Gothmog]

80. Most observant Jews are at services on High Holy Days

There were some upset congregants that day.

[sheshe2]

82. I can't blame them.

[mcar]

36. Oh stop

What one thing in her statement leads you to this?

[sheshe2]

84. All roads lead to...

[mcar]

89. Because surely there is no other possible reason...

[TwilightZone]

37. She's Jewish.

You should probably take 30 seconds to check into something like that before posting.

Here's who you're calling an anti-semite:

Link to tweet

?lang=en

[sheshe2]

64. If I said Jeffery Epstein made my skin crawl, would you call me an antisemitic too?

Fact is, she is Jewish. She is the daughter of a holocaust survivor.

I think you should delete your post.

[betsuni]

66. New Rule: Jewish people are antisemitic if they say something mean about Bernie.

Add it to the list of absurdities.

[sheshe2]

67. So noted...

Thanks, betsuni, my list is growing.

SMDH.

[Gothmog]

74. That appears to be a new rule

[emulatorloo]

81. She's Jewish. You should delete your post.

[SouthernProgressive]

87. Your comment here is bordering on antisemitism.

I’m going to withhold judgement as it might simply been formed from a point of ignorance. Calling her what you have, with zero evidence and knowing her history, is questionable all the way around.

[MrsCoffee]

92. Wow.

[LanternWaste]

93. Post hoc ergo prompter hoc.

But I get it... we'll whip out any fallacy necessary to maintain the pretense of our own narratives, which are often far more important than mere accuracy or truth.

[ehrnst]

96. Oh, please. She's Jewish, FFS...

The longer you leave this post here, the more people are going to call you out for this ridiculous smear of this woman.

[kcr]

97. A new low

[silentEcho]

98. Excellent misdirect. The conversation was about Sanders not being a strong woman advocate.

How easily you took the conversation in a totally different direction.

[lapucelle]

7. Former Bernie Sanders Staffers Voice Concern About 'Sexual Harassment and Violence' on 2016 Campaign

https://time.com/5490813/bernie-sanders-campaign-sexual-harassment/

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5671807-Sanders-Campaign-Harassment-Letter.html#document/p1

[Gothmog]

30. I am good friends with Sarah Slamen, a former sanders campaign worker

Sarah was one of the former workers who complained about sexual harassment by the sanders campaign See https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016224223 Sarah was excluded from the 30 minute meeting that was supposed to address these issues.

[lapucelle]

38. I saw that post & read some of Sarah's tweets, but I didn't know she was excluded from the meeting.

Was she not invited?

[Gothmog]

41. No, she was uninvited or excluded

We are friends on facebook. BTW, Sarah is a new mommy but was out working on a campaign a couple of weeks after delivery.

[pnwmom]

43. So she's still on team Bernie? n/t

[Gothmog]

47. No

Sarah ran the campaign for a Dallas candidate who flipped a state house seat from red to blue. This was one of 12 state house seats that were flipped in 2018. The fact that the GOP did not have a large majority in the Texas house helped and for example there was not a serious attempt to pass a bathroom bill this cycle.

The party is trying to flip 9 more state house seats so as to get control of the Texas House for the next session which will be dealing with redistricting

Sarah has had some facebook posts about sanders that indicate she has not forgiven or forgot what happened

[pnwmom]

48. It seems so obvious to me , but clearly it's not to his supporters,

that last time was Peak Bernie. He succeeded in alienating millions of Hillary supporters last time. They're not going to switch to him when there are so many good alternatives. And then, there is natural attrition -- people like your friend who are simply disenchanted, as well as the anybody-but-Hillary crowd.

[Gothmog]

49. I am hoping that we can keep sanders under 300 delegates for the National Convention

I was a delegate to the Philadelphia convention and saw how the process works. One key item is that under the rules, a candidate cannot be put into nomination without 300 delegates. https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/2020-Call-for-Convention-WITH-Attachments-2.26.19.pdf

Nomination of the Democratic Candidate for President: The Permanent Chair shall receive nominations from the floor for the Democratic candidate for the Office of President of the United
States in the following manner:

a. Requests to nominate a presidential candidate shall be in writing and shall have affixed thereto the written approval of the proposed nominee and the name of the individuals who shall be recognized to make the nominating and seconding speeches on behalf of a presidential candidate and shall be delivered to the Convention Secretary at a location as specified by the Secretary no later than 6:00 p.m. of the day preceding the day designated for the commencement of presidential nominations.

b. Each such request must be accompanied by a petition indicating support for the proposed nominee signed by delegates representing not less than 300 or more than 600 delegate votes, not more than 50 of which may come from one (1) delegation. A delegate may not sign more than one (1) nominating petition for president and for vice president. Pledged and automatic delegates may sign the petition.

If sanders is frozen out of enough states due to the 15% rule and remaining non-Biden delegates are split among several candidates, there is a chance that sanders may not reach 300 threshold

[Vegas Roller]

8. Mimi Rocah probably read the essays nt

[NurseJackie]

22. You make a very valid point. She's not the only one.

[SunSeeker]

33. I read the essays too. Speaking of making your skin crawl...

[sheshe2]

65. No kidding.

[BeckyDem]

9. Bernie hatred is weird. I like his policies and I like him. Not as much as I do

Warren but he is a good person too.

[pnwmom]

11. His supporters contempt for Hillary was weird. His refusal to concede

when he lost the election, and then led his supporters to the convention, still hoping to flip votes -- that was weird, too.

[BlueMTexpat]

18. This. Exactly this. eom

[NurseJackie]

24. The awful and dreadful and UNTRUE things he's said about Democrats and the Democratic party...

... well, that was enough for me.

[mcar]

40. +1

[floppyboo]

46. His supporters? That's your problem? Not him though, right?

See, the media has never been able to really attack Sanders, as he has been on the right side of history like - forever. So next best thing? Attack his supporters.
That's' not going to work with them. If anything, you are only empowering them.
Just don't start calling them 'deplorable'. We all know how that worked.

[pnwmom]

50. I'm not impressed with the man who loved to wag his finger at Hillary

or who said he was a "little bit busy" and that's why he didn't deal with the widespread problem with sexual harassment and other complaints from women on his campaign team.

I also don't agree that he's been on the right side of history forever. He wasn't on the right side of history on gun laws. He wasn't on the right side when he thought Vermont's nuclear waste should be sent down to a poor area of Texas.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-daily-post/what-you-should-know-about-bernie-sanders-controversial-vote-for-a-project-that-would-have-brought-toxic-waste-to-sierra-blanca/

[floppyboo]

58. what were the other complaints from women?

I didn't know about the nuclear waste thing - I know there's alot of real, actual shit being moved by trains from NYC. Really important issue. Do you believe that every home individually should deal with their own waste? I live rurally, so that didn't seem like a dumb question at first, but affordable housing and less stress on roads means apartment buildings - and how are you going to use all that compost in a concrete block?
Curious about the 'other things' women complained about. Is it serious, or was that just a figure of far flung speech?

[pnwmom]

63. A group of women on the campaign said they were harassed and paid less than men.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-sexism.html

When she reported the incident to Bill Velazquez, a manager on the Latino outreach team, he told her, “I bet you would have liked it if he were younger,” according to her account and another woman who witnessed the exchange. Then he laughed.

Accounts like Ms. Di Lauro’s — describing episodes of sexual harassment and demeaning treatment as well as pay disparity in Mr. Sanders’s 2016 campaign — have circulated in recent weeks in emails, online comments and private discussions among former supporters. Now, as the Vermont senator tries to build support for a second run at the White House, his perceived failure to address this issue has damaged his progressive bona fides, delegates and nearly a dozen former state and national staff members said in interviews over the last month.

SNIP

Asked if he knew about the staff complaints, he said, “I was a little bit busy running around the country trying to make the case.”
Editors’ Picks

[TexasTowelie]

71. Do a search on Bernie Sanders, Sierra Blanca.

It received plenty of coverage in the press in the 1990s. I was living in Austin at the time and remember it well.

[ehrnst]

99. Here you go:

Sen. Bernie Sanders 2016 Campaign Staffers Describe Culture of Sexism and Harassment

Sexism Claims From Bernie Sanders’s 2016 Run: Paid Less, Treated Worse


Bernie alumni seek meeting to address ‘sexual violence’ on ’16 campaign

Bernie Sanders apologizes, says he didn’t know about $30,000 settlement of 2016 campaign staffer accused of sexual harassment

Firsthand accounts written by 2016 staffers:

https://medium.com/sarahslamen/a-future-to-believe-in-95208e8ce792


https://medium.com/mashamendieta/be-your-own-hero-because-bernie-is-not-it-c4add2e08029

[lapucelle]

101. From Paul Wellstone's floor speech opposing the legislation to allow the building of the dump:

This issue I want to address tonight has variously been called "environmental discrimination", "environmental equity", "environmental justice', or "environmental racism". These terms are used interchangeably to describe the well-documented tendency for pollution and waste dumps to be sited in poor and minority communities who lack the political power to keep them out.

Environmental justice has been at the center of the debate over H.R. 629, legislation granting congressional consent to the so-called Texas Compact. If passed unamended by this Congress, the Texas Compact would result in the dumping of low-level radioactive waste from nuclear reactors in Texas, Maine, and Vermont--and potentially from nuclear reactors all over the country--in the poor and majority-Latino town of Sierra Blanca in West Texas.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CREC-1998-06-15/html/CREC-1998-06-15-pt1-PgS6349.htm

[Gothmog]

51. No one took sanders seriously in 2016 and so sanders was not vetted

No one took sanders seriously and so he was not vetted. Vetting is important I am so glad that sanders is being vetted this cycle https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/28/why-bernie-sanders-has-an-uphill-climb-ahead/?utm_term=.1b4f90c2a717

Finally, what happens when the oppo dump on Sanders comes? We have no idea, because it never happened in 2016. Clinton was so terrified of alienating his supporters and seeing them vote for Jill Stein in the general election (or not vote at all) that she tiptoed around him for pretty much the entirety of the primary campaign. That doesn’t mean that he’ll be destroyed when stories about the more colorful aspects of his history start cropping up, but there’s just no way to know.

Which is what we could say about the Sanders candidacy as a whole: There’s no way to know how it’s going to go. But he’s got his work cut out for him.

See also https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/19/politics/bernie-sanders-2020-campaign-donald-trump/index.html?utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2019-02-20T14%3A52%3A07&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social%C2%A0

2. How will he withstand more scrutiny and more attacks?
One of the secrets to Sanders' success in 2016 was that no one -- most especially Clinton -- thought he had any chance of going anywhere in the race. Clinton largely ignored him for the better part of 2015, allowing some problematic parts of Sanders' record for Democrats -- most notably his voting record on guns -- to go unnoticed. (When the race began to tighten, Clinton gently prodded Sanders on guns and health care.) Sanders, too, largely flew under the radar of investigative reporters for major news outlets who were busy looking into Clinton, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and others seen as more viable candidates. (That reality clearly benefited Donald Trump in the early days of the campaign, as well.)

Sanders will get no pass -- from either the media or his fellow candidates -- this time around. He is among the frontrunners -- and will be treated as such. His wife's time as president of Burlington College could well come up. And his opponents will do a deep dive into his nearly 30 years of votes as a member of the House and Senate. This is all very normal stuff in a campaign. But not for Sanders.

Now we can see how sanders reacts to being vetted

Link to tweet

Among some Democrats, there was a sense of bewilderment that the Sanders campaign had gone—as one operative put it—”nuclear” over a mere web video. One Democratic consultant sympathetic to Sanders described the video as being “like a gnat buzzing around your ear,” one which should not have distracted from the candidate’s Midwest tour.

It also raised questions as to whether the senator was ready for the scrutiny that would come from being a frontrunning candidate, after having run as an insurgent against an ideal foil, Hillary Clinton, in 2016.

“When you’re leading in the polls of president of your party you should expect investigative stories to hit at least once a week and to be attacked by your opponents every day,” said Ben Labolt, who served as press secretary to Barack Obama during the 2012 campaign. “An attack on something like ThinkProgress is the sign of a super-narrow-minded campaign that isn’t actually thinking of how the election will be won... They have chosen an establishment force that no one outside of the Starbucks at 16th and K would recognize.”

I am amused that the sanders campaign is upset that sanders is being vetted and things like sexual harassment and unfair labor charges are coming out. The attacks on mainstream media by the sanders surrogates are really sad and are not working

[Vegas Roller]

53. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha

Sanders is irrelevant for the media to attack. They are ignoring him. He is not news anymore.

[GulfCoast66]

69. Not quite. Watch his supporters boo John Lewis. The John Lewis!

On National TV at our last convention. The John Lewis who was almost killed marching over the Edmond Pettit Bridge. He was beat in the skull by a racist cop. And was on the stage during MLKs famous I Have A Dream Speech as the radical leader of the youth movement. Maybe the greatest living American. Actually no. The Greatest Living American.

And what did Bernie do? Did he rush the stage and admonish his supporters for heckling such a great man? Hell. No. He sat there grinning like the cat that ate the canary. We fucking saw it! You think southern democrats will forget that shit. Hell no.

And to make matters worse, we have a member here on DU who attended the convention with the Texas Delegation. They were warned ahead of time it was going to happen. It was fucking planned.

Some things are beyond the pale and unforgivable. Booing the great John Lewis is one of them.

I’m still pissed off and indignant. You should be too.

[BeckyDem]

52. Not all Hillary's supporters, which included myself, did not believe he did anything wrong.

Not weird, unless you are Bernie.

"A lot of people are asking, 'What does Hillary want?'" Clinton said. "I want what I have always fought for: I want the nearly 18 million people who voted for me to be respected and heard."

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24953561/ns/politics-decision_08/t/clinton-refuses-concede-nomination/#.XTpKekcpDIU

[Vegas Roller]

54. Perhaps you should have paid more attention

This fervent Hillary supporter has a devastating view.

[BeckyDem]

60. Its done. 2020 is coming.

[pnwmom]

13. Some have apparently forgotten the rape fantasy essay.

That made some women's skin crawl.

And many women weren't too thrilled that he was a "little bit busy" to deal with women campaign staffers complaints of sexual harassment and lower salaries.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-sexism.html

[NYMinute]

57. Those essays make *my* skin crawl

and I'm a man.

[silentEcho]

85. Rape fantasy tell us what a 30 something yr old man thought about women, for sure.

[SouthernProgressive]

19. I. Couldn't. Keep. Watching.

Doel.

I made it through the first news clip. That was pretty bad. I remember when they thought it would be good for ratings if they embellished every video of Biden even close to a woman.

Maybe this person is familiar with his past essays and not much else. She says she isn’t a political analyst.

[pnwmom]

28. Many women watching the debates were put off by all the finger wagging.

https://www.glamour.com/story/everyones-talking-about-bernie

It's notable though, that Sanders was shaking his finger at women. He was the only man onstage (!), along with Secretary Clinton and moderators Judy Woodruff and Gwen Ifill. In that context, the finger wagging came off as especially imperious and condescending, as noted by many on Twitter. Some saw it as an example of mansplaining, though his supporters mostly just found it hilarious.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/12/bernie-sanders-wags-his-finger-a-lot-and-people-are-starting-to-talk-about-it/?utm_term=.235a7222820b

It’s a gesture familiar to anyone who’s ever been warned, cautioned, scolded, told they are not very nice or otherwise belittled. A hand, often the dominant one, is raised. An index finger is extended skyward. The finger moves from left to right in a workmanlike arc or, for those with more rococo tastes, a flamboyant circle. Sometimes, a pen adds gravitas to the motion. Though the tempo and exact meaning may vary, the message is always similar, and always at least a little bit threatening. I know better than you. You are making a huge mistake. Back off.

No politician in modern memory seems to favor the finger wag as much as Democratic presidential contender Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). And people are starting to talk about it.

“Sanders … likes to wave his index finger in the air like he just don’t care … although it’s clear when he does it that he actually does care very, very much,” Alex Gladu wrote at Bustle. “The gesture is sort of a mix between scolding his opponent — typically Clinton — and screaming for attention.”

[George II]

44. Apparently both Abby Huntsman (3:55) and Joe Biden are put off by it too:

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

29. Mimi is a great lawyer and I like her

sanders attacks on a Jewish lawyer is not a smart move. I stand with and support Mimi and MSNBC

[betsuni]

32. "It's not good enough for somebody to say, 'I'm a woman, vote for me!'"

Said nobody, ever. "Honorary woman."

[sheshe2]

68. She The People

Enough said.

[George II]

70. I believe he was the only person booed at that event.

[sheshe2]

72. I believe you are right.

Also~

Remember this?

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"I think that right now, no one can deny that Bernie Sanders is probably one of the most powerful U.S. senators ... on progressive issues, women’s issues, mobilizing millennials," Tamika Mallory, one of the march's cofounders, told the newspaper. "He is really in line with the principles of the Women's March."

Not everyone agreed with that sentiment. Sanders, critics were quick to point out, is notably ... not a woman.

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Earlier this year, Sanders caused a stir when he suggested that a pro-choice stance does not need to be a central tenet of the Democratic Party. He backed a candidate for mayor of Omaha, Nebraska, who has a shaky record on abortion rights.

"Abortion access is not a 'single issue' or a 'social issue," NARAL Pro-Choice America president Ilyse Hogue said at the time. "It is a proxy for women to have control over our lives, our family's lives, our economic well-being, our dignity, and human rights."

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a12837229/bernie-sanders-womens-convention-speaker/



In the end, after much protest he was invited, not as the keynote but a guest. He declined and said he had to visit the devastation in Puerto Rico that weekend. He visited Puerto Rico several weeks later.

[Gothmog]

75. I remember that event well

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[silentEcho]

79. PP establishment, agree Richards owed apology for RW doctored video, sex selection an issue in U.S.

Sexual harassment and unequal pay in 2016 campaign and then little interesting listening to women bringing in the charge. Saying women only vote for HRC because she is a woman.

Nah, that is not going to fly.

[Hortensis]

100. :) Sanders and women.

Of course not just women, as he showed with Biden, just most often.

Abby Huntsman was above, but that's 80s-ish Senator Feinstein in the third clip below. Looks like she's very used to him.

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[silentEcho]

102. That first one, wow. Incredibly rude.

[Hortensis]

105. All of them, imo. That poor interviewer bending, forced backward

wasn't "laughing" because she was amused at the insult.

I loved, though, Senator Feinstein's swat at his back, no pretense that it's all just fun there. His colleagues must have some really good stories after all these years.

[silentEcho]

107. Totally but the first feels like a smack wasn't far.

I agree.

[Hortensis]

108. :) Like an irritating fly? Perhaps. My take was he'd dismissed

her from his notice. Even trying to get his arm out of her face didn't wake him to his boorishness on national TV, like she didn't matter.

[Gothmog]

106. this line of attack by sanders does not appear to be working

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[comradebillyboy]

109. That ad looks like Nina Turner's work. It will backfire

for anyone who's not already on board with Bernie.

[Gothmog]

110. From what I have seen, this ad is indeed backfiring

[betsuni]

111. "He has been voting for a woman's right to choose ... even before it was the cool thing to do

in the party." What the fuck is that.

[Gothmog]

112. Who knows?

[yardwork]

114. Poor Bernie. He just doesn't get any respect.