Sources confirm multiple women accuse Sanders

[Voltaire2]

Link to tweet

?s=21

[katmondoo]

1. Promising all of us the moon and more

[Voltaire2]

5. Your candidate supports MFA.

?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

13. Barely. So that's good I guess

[roody]

7. The moon was easier than health care. What is wrong with us?

[Voltaire2]

9. Apparently we love our crappy ass

private employer based insurance with its copays, deductibles, denial of coverage, surprise out of network bills and mystery expenses. And we are very enthusiastic about being allowed to purchase individual coverage through a “public option” if we get laid off and get to choose between health insurance premiums and mortgage payments or more likely bankruptcy.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

14. Yep.

people act like insurance does anything other than churn our own money while skimming and denying.

They don’t create or innovate. It’s our fucking money.

Insurance was initially a socialist idea. It should never have been allowed to be for-profit anyway

[NYMinute]

20. In the BS world, profit is an objectionable word.

(Unless of course when it is made from book deals)

[Voltaire2]

23. For profit health insurance systems are shit.

Not everything is appropriate for commodification.

[NYMinute]

35. Why not nationalize car companies

or Telephone companies or housing construction companies or clothing manufacturers or food conglomerates?

They all commodify very essential things for people's life.

[Voltaire2]

40. Because healthcare is a basic human right.

Car ownership isn’t.

[betsuni]

41. 1978, health care is "a matter of right, not a privilege."

I post this because some people think nobody ever said this before and Democrats haven't been fighting for health care as a basic human right for many decades.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

52. Post that to people make the "durrrrrr why doesn't we give free cars durrrr" argument.

I guess we save ourselves a trip to the yahoo comments section to hear that nonsense.

[ehrnst]

74. Ted Kennedy was fighting for single payer in 1971. (nt)

[NYMinute]

43. Having food is not a basic human right?

Or having a shelter and clothing?

[George II]

45. Do you know the profit margin of healthcare insurance companies?

[bluewater]

56. The Truth About Health Insurance Company Profits: They're Excessive

The health insurance industry’s mouthpiece doesn’t want the rest of us to know what Wall Street knows well — the record-breaking profits of the health insurance companies are, in fact, excessive.
In response to astonishingly high first-quarter profit reports from health insurance companies, the industry trade group America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), claims it is among the least profitable health care industries. AHIP says the health insurance industry profit margin is only 4.4%, and that this “low margin” represents less than one penny out of every dollar spent on all health care in the U.S. These are simplistic and misleading statistics.

Last week the New York Times reported that the health insurance industry is enjoying record earnings while millions of Americans get less medical care. Wall Street investors are delighted with the industry’s profits, and to health insurance executives, that’s all that counts. Insurance CEOs want investors to buy their stock and keep share prices marching higher, and that’s exactly what has happened. To achieve excessive profits, insurers are happy to gouge consumers and small businesses, do little to rein in medical costs and spend billions of our premium dollars on lobbying, secret political activities, bloated executive pay and stock buybacks.

AHIP’s focus on profit margins is misleading and designed to protect their massive income by shifting attention away from their return on equity — a key measure of profits as a percentage of the amount invested. That return is a phenomenal 16.1% as of today. By that measure, health insurers are ranked fourth highest of the 16 industries in the health care sector. They also deliver a higher return for investors than cellphone companies, beer companies, mortgage companies, life insurance companies, TV broadcasters, drug store companies or grocery stores.

AHIP likes to talk about how insurance profits are a small share of national health spending — less then one penny of every dollar spent on health care in the U.S. — but that is an absurd, deceptive and self-serving statistic. Yet even their own chart of this data shows that the share of the health care economy sucked up by health insurance profits has more than tripled over the past decade.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-truth-about-health-in_b_863632

[George II]

57. The profit margin on healthcare insurance companies is between 4 and 5.5 percent....

No amount of spin will change that.

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/052515/what-usual-profit-margin-company-insurance-sector.asp

The insurance industry's net margin in 2017 ranged between 3 and 10.5%. Life insurance had the widest range between quarters, from 3% to 9.6%; property and casualty insurance were at 3% to 8%; and health insurance had the narrowest range of 4% to 5.25%. The net margin for insurance brokerages in 2017 was higher than that of the insurance industry overall, at 9.27% to 10.5%.

[bluewater]

58. their return on equity is a phenomenal 16.1% !!!

"AHIP’s focus on profit margins is misleading and designed to protect their massive income by shifting attention away from their return on equity — a key measure of profits as a percentage of the amount invested.

That return is a phenomenal 16.1% as of today"



The Truth About Health Insurance Company Profits: They're Excessive
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-truth-about-health-in_b_863632

[George II]

59. The "equity" they're talking about is based on stock price, not on cost of doing business....

....vs revenue.

If share price increases, the operation of the company itself is totally unaffected.

Profit margin is based on day to day operations - money in (premiums) vs. money out (payments to hospitals/doctors/labs, salaries, utilities, rent, etc.) Share price (i.e., "equity" ) has nothing to do with that.

[bluewater]

60. The "equity" they are talking about is the companies ASSETS minus debts

In other words the shareholders' "stake" in the business versus the amount of money they make for investing that amount of capital.

Again, that return is a phenomenal 16.1% as of today


AHIP’s focus on profit margins is misleading and designed to protect their massive income by shifting attention away from their return on equity — a key measure of profits as a percentage of the amount invested. That return is a phenomenal 16.1% as of today. By that measure, health insurers are ranked fourth highest of the 16 industries in the health care sector. They also deliver a higher return for investors than cellphone companies, beer companies, mortgage companies, life insurance companies, TV broadcasters, drug store companies or grocery stores.

What Is Return on Equity – ROE?
Return on equity (ROE) is a measure of financial performance calculated by dividing net income by shareholders' equity. Because shareholders' equity is equal to a company’s assets minus its debt, ROE could be thought of as the return on net assets.

[George II]

62. "Shareholders' equity" - i.e., share price X number of outstanding shares of stock.

If a stock price goes from $19 to $20, shareholder equity rises about 5% but the operation, and profit, of the company is unaffected.

[bluewater]

63. One of the most important profitability metrics is a return on equity

One of the most important profitability metrics is a return on equity, or ROE for short. Return on equity reveals how much after-tax profit a company earned in comparison to the total amount of shareholder equity found on the balance sheet. ... It's what the shareholders "own".
Return on Equity (ROE) and Income Statement Analysis - The Balance
https://www.thebalance.com/return-on-equity-roe-357601

AHIP’s focus on profit margins is misleading and designed to protect their massive income by shifting attention away from their return on equity — a key measure of profits as a percentage of the amount invested. That return is a phenomenal 16.1% as of today.


The Truth About Health Insurance Company Profits: They're Excessive

The health insurance industry’s mouthpiece doesn’t want the rest of us to know what Wall Street knows well — the record-breaking profits of the health insurance companies are, in fact, excessive.
In response to astonishingly high first-quarter profit reports from health insurance companies, the industry trade group America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), claims it is among the least profitable health care industries. AHIP says the health insurance industry profit margin is only 4.4%, and that this “low margin” represents less than one penny out of every dollar spent on all health care in the U.S. These are simplistic and misleading statistics.

Last week the New York Times reported that the health insurance industry is enjoying record earnings while millions of Americans get less medical care. Wall Street investors are delighted with the industry’s profits, and to health insurance executives, that’s all that counts. Insurance CEOs want investors to buy their stock and keep share prices marching higher, and that’s exactly what has happened. To achieve excessive profits, insurers are happy to gouge consumers and small businesses, do little to rein in medical costs and spend billions of our premium dollars on lobbying, secret political activities, bloated executive pay and stock buybacks.

AHIP’s focus on profit margins is misleading and designed to protect their massive income by shifting attention away from their return on equity — a key measure of profits as a percentage of the amount invested. That return is a phenomenal 16.1% as of today. By that measure, health insurers are ranked fourth highest of the 16 industries in the health care sector. They also deliver a higher return for investors than cellphone companies, beer companies, mortgage companies, life insurance companies, TV broadcasters, drug store companies or grocery stores.

AHIP likes to talk about how insurance profits are a small share of national health spending — less then one penny of every dollar spent on health care in the U.S. — but that is an absurd, deceptive and self-serving statistic. Yet even their own chart of this data shows that the share of the health care economy sucked up by health insurance profits has more than tripled over the past decade.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-truth-about-health-in_b_863632

[George II]

67. You keep posting that, but it has nothing to do with the profit margin OF THE COMPANY....

...it relates to investors in the stock market, who buy and sell stocks over and over again all day every day. Many of them have no concern with what the company actually does, they don't care - they just want to buy a stock, see the price go up, and sell it.

[bluewater]

68. Return on Equity: That return is a phenomenal 16.1% as of today !!!

AHIP’s focus on profit margins is misleading and designed to protect their massive income by shifting attention away from their return on equity — a key measure of profits as a percentage of the amount invested. That return is a phenomenal 16.1% as of today. By that measure, health insurers are ranked fourth highest of the 16 industries in the health care sector. They also deliver a higher return for investors than cellphone companies, beer companies, mortgage companies, life insurance companies, TV broadcasters, drug store companies or grocery stores.


Aren't the SHAREHOLDERS really "the company"? It's their money invested. The Shareholders are getting a 16.1% RETURN on EQUITY they have invested.

[George II]

69. That's the sixth time you've posted that paragraph. As for your last few sentences, you haven't....

....objectively read what I've said about "return on equity" vs. operating profit/profit margin. Neither affects the other.

[bluewater]

72. The article explains how the AHIP is being deceptive while making HUGE return on equity

So it's worth repeating, right?

AHIP’s focus on profit margins is misleading and designed to protect their massive income by shifting attention away from their return on equity — a key measure of profits as a percentage of the amount invested. That return is a phenomenal 16.1% as of today. By that measure, health insurers are ranked fourth highest of the 16 industries in the health care sector. They also deliver a higher return for investors than cellphone companies, beer companies, mortgage companies, life insurance companies, TV broadcasters, drug store companies or grocery stores.

[George II]

75. Number 7 for that paragraph. I can't explain the concept of profit margin any further than....

....what I've already done.

Have a good afternoon.

[TheFarseer]

81. And Walmart's profit margin is even lower

I trade stocks frequently and watch a lot of videos/read a lot of articles on the subject. Profit margin is almost never mentioned. It is definitely never mentioned comparing stocks in different industries because different profit margins are good for different industries.

[bluewater]

65. "the share sucked up by health insurance profits has more than tripled"

The share of the health care economy sucked up by health insurance profits has more than tripled over the past decade.

Last week the New York Times reported that the health insurance industry is enjoying record earnings while millions of Americans get less medical care. Wall Street investors are delighted with the industry’s profits, and to health insurance executives, that’s all that counts. Insurance CEOs want investors to buy their stock and keep share prices marching higher, and that’s exactly what has happened. To achieve excessive profits, insurers are happy to gouge consumers and small businesses, do little to rein in medical costs and spend billions of our premium dollars on lobbying, secret political activities, bloated executive pay and stock buybacks.

AHIP’s focus on profit margins is misleading and designed to protect their massive income by shifting attention away from their return on equity — a key measure of profits as a percentage of the amount invested. That return is a phenomenal 16.1% as of today. By that measure, health insurers are ranked fourth highest of the 16 industries in the health care sector. They also deliver a higher return for investors than cellphone companies, beer companies, mortgage companies, life insurance companies, TV broadcasters, drug store companies or grocery stores.

AHIP likes to talk about how insurance profits are a small share of national health spending — less then one penny of every dollar spent on health care in the U.S. — but that is an absurd, deceptive and self-serving statistic. Yet even their own chart of this data shows that the share of the health care economy sucked up by health insurance profits has more than tripled over the past decade.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-truth-about-health-in_b_863632

[HerbChestnut]

71. Great! So we can immediately save 4-5.5% on healthcare costs with M4A!

That brings our cost per capita spent on healthcare down from $10,739 (by far the highest of any country in the world) to between $10,309-$10,148. Not bad, but it's a start. Thanks, George!

[bluewater]

73. And of course salaries of CEO's and executives are deducted from profits ;)

[corbettkroehler]

49. Thank You!

The tweet was awesome and your context widened my smile!

[CTyankee]

22. Winning WW2 was easier than health care...

[NewDayOranges]

2. Who/What-TF is MSDNC?

Is this a credible source for a complaint of this type or is this a parody site?

[Voltaire2]

3. What is reading comprehension for 50 Alex.

[NewDayOranges]

12. What are sarcasm smilies for $200, Alex?

Since W's time, it's hard to tell fact from parody!

[YOHABLO]

11. It's a stab at MSNBC for carrying the talking points of the DNC.

I would say analogous to FOX being the right arm of the GOP.

[Celerity]

37. it appears to be a far left, centrist-bashing meme

sowing the seeds of discord seems to be their main play

[NYMinute]

44. I primarily see supporters of one candidate promoting it

You know -- that divisive candidate who is always railing against Democrats while trying to get their votes?

Yes, THAT one!

[Hortensis]

84. I'll take "Acronyms for Suckers" for $300, Alex.

[guillaumeb]

4. Well done.

But it is your fault that I coughed up my tea.

[Voltaire2]

6. Sorry.

[guillaumeb]

8. I needed it.

Very funny.

Wait until Trump sees this one.

[Uncle Joe]

10. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread Voltaire.

[comradebillyboy]

15. Who has Bernie provided health care to?

Other than his employees?

[Voltaire2]

16. Good point. It is only attempted.

[betsuni]

21. Maybe it's referring to the ACA.

He claimed to have helped write it, voted for it, defended it when Republicans held Congress: "Our job is to improve the ACA, not simply destroy it and repeal it for political reasons."

Improving the ACA, best path to universal health care right now.

[questionseverything]

38. the community clinics that poor people use,bernie negotiated that money into the aca

I know cause I use em

[betsuni]

39. Yes, I learned the details ($11 billion in funding for community health centers) here:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jan/18/bernie-sanders/fact-checking-bernie-sanders-claim-he-helped-write

[JudyM]

42. Right, I remember, that was significant.

Excellent legislative jockeying by Sanders.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

64. Wait! I thought Bernie only named post offices!

Oh now I’m so confused!

[NYMinute]

17. yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

It's over for Senator BS. All the proselytizing is a waste of electrons and time.

[Voltaire2]

18. Interesting view from a O'Rourke supporter

[NYMinute]

19. Yes

Beto is a real Democrat

[Voltaire2]

28. Yes but it is actually 'over' for Beto.

Whereas Sanders Warren Biden and Harris are all very much in the running.

[NYMinute]

36. It will be a Biden Beto ticket nt

[silentEcho]

24. No he has not. He followed, like many did in the vote but he provided nothing.

[Voltaire2]

27. So the accusations are baseless.

The Sanders campaign will be relieved.

[lapucelle]

32. So is the joke supposed to be "Women sometimes make baseless accusations.

MSNBC reports them anyway. Therefore MSNBC is in league with the DNC"?

That's not funny. It's just weird.

[JI7]

33. so pretty much spreading Russian attacks about dnc conspiracies

[lapucelle]

34. I never heard of the website, but here's one poster's explanation:

It's a stab at MSNBC for carrying the talking points of the DNC.
I would say analogous to FOX being the right arm of the GOP.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/1287213731#post11

[George II]

46. Seems like that's the underlying message.

[lapucelle]

48. "MSDNC" claims that MSNBC is the Democratic Party's version of Fox News.

"MSDNC" is busily sowing seeds of doubt by implying that MSNBC is party propaganda / fake news in the same vein as Fox.

And they're hiding their efforts to marginalize a reliable news/opinion source behind the "oh, we were only joking" defense.


This is the kind of crap that delivered the White House to Trump in 2016.




*************************************************************************************************


And who exactly are the "centrist" consumers of MSNBC's "Fox-like propaganda"?

Supporters of Amy Klobuchar?



Amy Klobuchar is a Populist-Leaning Liberal.

**********************************************************************************************

Supporters of Ilhan Omar?


Ilhan Omar is a Populist-Leaning Liberal.

***************************************************************************************************

Supporters of Speaker Pelosi?


Nancy Pelosi is a Hard-Core Liberal.

****************************************************************************************************


There's propaganda afoot, but it's not coming from MSNBC.

[silentEcho]

76. Klobuchar and Pelosi are more left than Omar. That was interesting.

I think I am always surprised how left Pelosi is when I see this periodically because the way our far left talk about her I would think she is more centralist.

[lapucelle]

79. I wouldn't be surprised if the "comedy nerd" behind the MSDNC account would call On the Issues.org

"fake news" because it fails to confirm his biases. He lives in Omar's district!

https://twitter.com/hunter_penn_h

[WhiskeyGrinder]

25. Ha haaaaaa, "women making accusations" is so FUNNY!

[Voltaire2]

26. Fabulous!

I love it when somebody finds the twist to make a simple joke a major upset.

Well done!

[silentEcho]

29. No major upset. Nor am I clued into the joke. But want to project an emotion on me,

have at it.

Well done!

[mr_lebowski]

51. So ... you have two accounts then?

[silentEcho]

78. I think the more simple answer would be I made a mistake in posting.

I had a reply to my comment right above the post, but for whatever reason I thought this one was the reply to me. Stuff happens.

[lapucelle]

54. What's funny about pushing the narrative that a generally reliable and responsible news source

is the Democratic Party's version of Fox fake news and essentially a propaganda outlet?

Not only is this anti-Democratic Party garbage, but it's also sowing the seeds of doubt concerning whether or not we can trust genuine news sources.

[LanternWaste]

85. Almost as lovingly as cowering behind implication for plausible deniability

Almost as lovingly as cowering behind implication for plausible deniability at the expense of an actual concern.

Well done, indeed!






(space provided free of charge below for distinctions lacking relevant differences)

[lapucelle]

31. It'a a parody account by some guy who appears to think that BS provides women with healthcare.

[ehrnst]

83. Yes, that parody account clearly isn't run by women.

No surprise it's such a hit here.

[elleng]

30. LOLOLOL!

[Amimnoch]

47. What exactly makes him more equipped to make it happen as POTUS?

It’s not something that can happen at all through executive order.

It only happens by passing a bill through congress.

How many decades has he been a Senator? Has he even come close to passing a healthcare for all bill in the Senate during either the Republican majority congress periods or the Democratic Party majority congress periods??

Seems to me that it’s just making more promises that he cannot keep.

Difference between a President Sanders and a President.. well any other Democratic Party member running: I have absolute confidence that ANY other candidate running for our party, if provided with a hard fought for bill that makes ANY improvement to our healthcare system will sign said legislation.. A president Sanders? No confidence at all unless said bill meets his purity test criteria, and said bill is definitely not happening in the next congress, probably still wont in the congress of the 2022 elections.

Conversely, if BS remains a Senator, in the 2022 congress, he may actually have a shot (a better one at that than as President) of getting a Medicare for all bill passed, and I don’t doubt for a second that any other Democratic Party member running for PUTUS (yes, even Joe Biden even though it isn’t his platform) will happily sign off on it if it comes across their desk.

Result: Any other Democratic Party candidate and we at least have a shot at making some progress with Healthcare.. not so much with BS.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

66. The same reason MFA is now such a big part of the conversation:

[Amimnoch]

70. Soo..nothing but hyperbole. No actual plan. Gotcha. -nt

[BannonsLiver]

77. Careful

They might post a pic of David Brock from 2016 as was done in another thread.

You know it’s going south for Bernie when the David Brock references start popping up from his followers.

[LanternWaste]

86. More t-shirt slogans! That's the simple life, indeed!

Substance, being neither trendy nor simple is denied in favor of the simplistic.

(space provided free of charge below for "hipster slogan on back of t-shirt here&quot

[highplainsdem]

50. You're quoting a pro-Sanders parody account that calls Hillary Clinton a Republican:

Link to tweet

[Vegas Roller]

53. Befitting

for a campaign that itself is a parody

[floppyboo]

55. While this will get the people who need to hear to click, I agree with one reply:

the bait is fishy. Wish we didn't have to use outrage, in this case, the implied violence on women, as a hook.

[Voltaire2]

80. Glad you appreciated a bit of humor.

[ehrnst]

82. Who, other than his campaign staffers, and Jane, has he provided health care for?

Taxpayers provide it for his Senate staffers.