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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 07:17 PM Jul 2019

poll - 'Medicare For All'

Are you willing to give up your private health insurance in exchange for a ‘Medicare For All’ plan
crafted by the government which would eliminate private insurance companies?

54 votes, 2 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Yes
38 (70%)
No
15 (28%)
Other (please explain)
1 (2%)
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poll - 'Medicare For All' (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Jul 2019 OP
Yes. My insurance marybourg Jul 2019 #1
I find it humorous that there might be people out there that 'love' their private insurance. aidbo Jul 2019 #2
Really? BlueIdaho Jul 2019 #14
Really ? drray23 Aug 2019 #26
Do you have any openings? OhZone Aug 2019 #39
I've always been happy with my insurance options. brooklynite Aug 2019 #36
Really? You're describing a majority of the US population Recursion Aug 2019 #38
Honest question, because I'm not all that well read on the issue and haven't seen credible LincolnRossiter Aug 2019 #41
my private insurance is pretty darn good, but i support Medicare-for-All solutions 0rganism Aug 2019 #42
"people out there 'love' their private insurance." mitch96 Aug 2019 #51
Since I have to explain -- What I'm not willing to do is increase the risk of losing ACA, election Hoyt Jul 2019 #3
yep. My employer-based insurance is more stable than the ACA wyldwolf Jul 2019 #5
This.. the gop would luv the Dems to run m4a. If you disagree, show me a race where raising taxes Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #27
Yes in a heartbeat. I like the one that will offer dental, eye and hearing aids. Autumn Jul 2019 #4
Except one exists now and we don't know what will get comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #22
If we don't try we will never know. nt Autumn Aug 2019 #45
That would be great. JudyM Aug 2019 #44
Details DownriverDem Jul 2019 #6
I've had Medicare since 2013 because of disability TexasBushwhacker Jul 2019 #7
The plan where everything is FREE?!? GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #8
How fortunate for you that your employer provides good health insurance. dflprincess Jul 2019 #11
Sorry, not buying it. GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #19
The maximum out pockets allowed by the ACA for 2019 dflprincess Jul 2019 #20
Agreed. But none of the people covered by the ACA GulfCoast66 Aug 2019 #23
The ACA is not a program dflprincess Aug 2019 #49
Generally agree about the ACA. But it's here, it popular and it's a start... GulfCoast66 Aug 2019 #50
You have a nice evening too! dflprincess Aug 2019 #52
The cost of your health insurance is the raise DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #17
Oh I'm calling BS! You think the day my employer GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #18
Since you seem determined to love your employer provided DeminPennswoods Aug 2019 #32
I'm aware of everything you just stated. GulfCoast66 Aug 2019 #35
There is an actual bill in the Senate you can read DeminPennswoods Aug 2019 #40
I don't have my own private health ins. Starry Messenger Jul 2019 #9
Covered under FEHB DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #10
Do I want to give THESE people MY money? wellst0nev0ter Jul 2019 #12
WOW!!! mysteryowl Jul 2019 #13
Voted no because employer pays for it. Can employer Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #15
The tally so far of how supporters voted Kaleva Jul 2019 #16
I'm on medicare now and I wouldn't want to give up comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #21
Well said. GulfCoast66 Aug 2019 #24
All the M4A candidates- including Sen Harris - are promising no coinsurance/deductibles, Hoyt Aug 2019 #28
Can they deliver on those promises? Color me skeptical. comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #29
Yes. Those words "give up" are deceptive. Claritie Pixie Aug 2019 #25
Depends on the employer. My employer, admittedly the state, paid all but sixty dollars of my emmaverybo Aug 2019 #31
A better poll question would be should we start by adding a Reece2076 Aug 2019 #30
Define "public option" DeminPennswoods Aug 2019 #33
I will not seriously consider Skidmore Aug 2019 #34
There is a very simple response to both Republicans...and MFA advocates: "Prove It" brooklynite Aug 2019 #37
Uninsured sick people would sign up if its more affordable IronLionZion Aug 2019 #46
What difference does it make because Medicare for All elocs Aug 2019 #43
No candidate has been able to explain how they are going to get ANY proposal passed by Congress. Kaleva Aug 2019 #47
I have VA and Medicare so I have no private insurance to give up. I'm very happy with what I have. Kaleva Aug 2019 #48
fighting over the details of their healthcare proposals won't help them beat Donald Trump Gothmog Aug 2019 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author Gothmog Aug 2019 #54
 

marybourg

(12,660 posts)
1. Yes. My insurance
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 07:20 PM
Jul 2019

already is Medicare. I would like tha Medicare for All model which includes dental and vision care with no copays.

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aidbo

(2,328 posts)
2. I find it humorous that there might be people out there that 'love' their private insurance.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 07:26 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
14. Really?
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:23 PM
Jul 2019

I was one of those folks. I taught at a University. Every medical, dental, optical service provider I visited commented on how great our coverage was. It, by all accounts, was the best health coverage in our county. It was great - even better after Obamacare. I understand that is also the case for many union members who fought hard, not only for wages, but for great medical coverage as well. While you find it funny - I found it to be better than Medicare.

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drray23

(7,645 posts)
26. Really ?
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:32 AM
Aug 2019

Mine is top notch. Zero deductible, with dental and vision included.
That's how we attract and keep talented people.
I also have 6 weeks paid vacation, sick leave that accumulates and does not reset over time.
I would not give that up for something that is not guaranteed to work any better. I find the idea of a public option much better.

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OhZone

(3,212 posts)
39. Do you have any openings?
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 11:23 AM
Aug 2019
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brooklynite

(95,360 posts)
36. I've always been happy with my insurance options.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 11:05 AM
Aug 2019

I've never had a conflict with them about paying bills.

Would I consider an early buy-in to Medicare (I'm 60)? Maybe, but I understand the value of having the choice.

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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
38. Really? You're describing a majority of the US population
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 11:09 AM
Aug 2019

About 60% of Americans get their insurance through their employer, and nearly all of them report they like it and want to keep it.

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LincolnRossiter

(560 posts)
41. Honest question, because I'm not all that well read on the issue and haven't seen credible
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:03 PM
Aug 2019

peer-reviewed studies on the effects of a public option vs. medicare for all. Would allowing people to choose private insurance (or to supplement their medicare with additional insurance) really hurt the common healthcare market that much? I lived in Germany for a little over three years and the blended system (universal coverage with an option to supplement with private care). I was hospitalized and operated on after a serious injury to my leg, and the care was top notch. It was much more "no-frills," but the Docs and nurses took care of me. Apparently our government (I was a naval officer) was supposed to spring for more posh amenities (television in room, different menu, etc) but they didn't for whatever reason. I still had no complaints.

And here's the thing. Healthcare in Germany costs, per capita, about 60% of what ours does. So I don't see why a public option alongside private options is such a monstrous thing for the progressive wing of the party. Everyone is still taken care of.

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0rganism

(24,044 posts)
42. my private insurance is pretty darn good, but i support Medicare-for-All solutions
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:14 PM
Aug 2019

i'm not sure it's at the level of "love", but i really appreciate my insurance, it's helped me out a lot since prices for the procedures and medicines i need/have needed over the years are pretty damned unaffordable -- ex. a $20000 brain MRI would have wrecked me hard if i didn't have insurance, same with the $1000/month medicine. i'd be dead, or well on my way there, without the insurance.

even so, i recognize that it only covers me and my family, and there are people with the same diseases i have who aren't getting the treatments they require to prevent disease development and related complications. we need to push forward to full coverage for everyone. somehow.

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mitch96

(13,976 posts)
51. "people out there 'love' their private insurance."
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:25 PM
Aug 2019

When I was working I had excellent employer provided insurance.. Lots better than Medicare that I pay MORE for...
m

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. Since I have to explain -- What I'm not willing to do is increase the risk of losing ACA, election
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 07:27 PM
Jul 2019

election of a Democrat to the Presidency and a House majority, chance to vastly improve ACA and add a Public Option, etc., in the hopes of getting M4A with no coinsurance/deductibles and coverage of dental, hearing aids, vision, etc.

When my Primary comes in March, I will likely vote for the candidate who appears most electable in the General Election. Unless something changes, I suspect that will be a candidate supporting shoring up ACA to cover everyone and a Public Option. If the M4A candidate is most electable, great. I have to see that first, though.

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wyldwolf

(43,875 posts)
5. yep. My employer-based insurance is more stable than the ACA
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 07:41 PM
Jul 2019

The ACA has, barely, survived a SCOTUS decision. It came one vote short of being repealed (thank you John McCain.) It will be in front of the SCOTUS again. One wave election in the GOP's favor could wipe out any health care plan the Dems put in place.

Yes, I could lose my job but I've been there for a decade and will likely retire there.

I don't begrudge anyone a public option, though. Like we've heard several time today, social security didn't take the place of pensions when it was passed. MFA need not replace private insurance. I'd love to see the two compete and private insurance companies have to reform to survive.

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Thekaspervote

(32,877 posts)
27. This.. the gop would luv the Dems to run m4a. If you disagree, show me a race where raising taxes
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:32 AM
Aug 2019

Was a winning issue

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Autumn

(45,121 posts)
4. Yes in a heartbeat. I like the one that will offer dental, eye and hearing aids.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 07:37 PM
Jul 2019
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comradebillyboy

(10,213 posts)
22. Except one exists now and we don't know what will get
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:05 AM
Aug 2019

through congress.

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Autumn

(45,121 posts)
45. If we don't try we will never know. nt
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:28 PM
Aug 2019
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JudyM

(29,344 posts)
44. That would be great.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:25 PM
Aug 2019

Seniors avoid going to the dentist or getting hearing aids because of the cost. These delays can significantly impact their cognitive health as well.

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DownriverDem

(6,257 posts)
6. Details
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 07:43 PM
Jul 2019

How will it be paid? Part A? Part B? Supplemental Plans? It seems that no one has any details or knowledge of how the current Medicare works. It's not free.

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TexasBushwhacker

(20,302 posts)
7. I've had Medicare since 2013 because of disability
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 08:12 PM
Jul 2019

I've recently returned to full time work (my 3rd try) and I'm hoping this time it lasts. Even so, I plan on keeping Medicare and paying for it. It just makes no sense to me that you have to change insurance every time you change jobs. Most of us don't get to work for one employer for 30 to 40 years like previous generations. What if your employer chooses a crappy insurance plan?

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GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
8. The plan where everything is FREE?!?
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 09:52 PM
Jul 2019

Sure. Who wouldn’t.

But since I live in the real world and know nothing is free, not willing to jettison the ACA just when it got popular.

Since no one can tell me who makes the cost of the $250,000,000 my company alone pays for the excellent healthcare over 50,000 employees get, I not biting. And the healthcare is much better because of the ACA! Not to mention the cost carried by the employers of 60,000,000 other Americans.

We can use the ACA to achieve a universal healthcare system like France has. The best healthcare in the world. And most assuredly nothing like Medicare for all.

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dflprincess

(28,116 posts)
11. How fortunate for you that your employer provides good health insurance.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:07 PM
Jul 2019

Mine does too. I know a lot of people whose employers don't offer a good plan.

But insurance does not guarantee access to healthcare. More & more people are getting stuck with plans that have deductibles of up to $6,000 so they still can't afford to see a doctor. And we remain the only country where medical bills drive people to bankruptcy.

The biggest flaw of the ACA is that one of its aims was to protect private insurers.

BTW, no one has said MFA would be free. We would all be paying taxes for it. But, with everyone in the same pool, we'd be paying less than what insurance costs most Americans now (factoring in out of pockets as well as premiums) and people would actually be able to access care.

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GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
19. Sorry, not buying it.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 11:49 PM
Jul 2019

What companies don’t comply with the ACA with out of pocket caps? Yeah, high earning business owners got hit hard.

The ACA set pretty stringent maximums.

My company offers several plans. Some require weekly payment that can be several hundred dollars a month if you have multiple kids and a spouse on the coverage. I choose one with a high deductible with an excellent attached tax free saving plan because I don’t have kids. My wife the same.

But that aside. You say we would pay more taxes. And yeah, that’s true. But how much? My company pays me for my labor a health insurance plan worth over 5K a year. If I had to pay that amount, while it would hurt, I could.

But most of the employees getting that same 5k, and actually more since the union plans cost the company more than the management plan, make $15-$18 dollars an hour. Where is that money coming from?

France faced this same quandary. And decided to keep employers in the game. Only you can’t work someone 28 hours a week to avoid healthcare coverage. You hire them, you pay the nonprofit, highly regulated insurance company for their coverage. The government makes the payments for those that can’t work. And the rich self employed? They pay it themselves. And it the best healthcare system in the world. The ACA could get us to a similar system. Medicare for all would not even win the House Democratic Caucus!

Those of us opposed to Medicare for all are not against universal healthcare. We just see it as the road to more republican victories.






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dflprincess

(28,116 posts)
20. The maximum out pockets allowed by the ACA for 2019
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 11:58 PM
Jul 2019

Are $7,900 for an individual, $15,800 for a family. These are up from $7,350 & $14,700 in 2018.

This is neither affordable nor sustainable.


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GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
23. Agreed. But none of the people covered by the ACA
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:14 AM
Aug 2019

Are on company healthcare plans. Right?

They are 2 different things.

Listen, I don’t like our current system. But am looking for something that can actually happen. No way in hell you are convincing the 50k plus, mainly union members employees at my company to give up what they have for some undefined, unfunded idea.

In the world I live in perfect is the enemy of good. Even if most people getting healthcare from their employer have a bad deal, which I disagree with, they think they do.

You really want to try and elect a president whose first job on the campaign trail is convincing 60,000,000 Americans that the healthcare plan they like actually sucks? Because most Americans with company provided healthcare like it. Your opinion, Warren or Sanders’ opinion does not matter at all. Most like their plans.

That what proponents of Medicare for all are suggesting. No getting around it. Telling Americans with healthcare they like that it really sucks.

We can use the now popular ACA to get where we all want to be. Actually, it is the only achievable way.

All democrats want the same thing, affordable universal healthcare. Your way is a dead end street that will elect more republicans. In my opinion, of course. I truly respect you hopes and goals.




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dflprincess

(28,116 posts)
49. The ACA is not a program
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:33 PM
Aug 2019

It is a law that mandates certain levels of coverage but does not guarantee access to care. Even those who are buying individual insurance from exchanges may find all they can afford is plans with outrageous out of pockets. And there are employers who only offer crap like this

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GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
50. Generally agree about the ACA. But it's here, it popular and it's a start...
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:56 PM
Aug 2019

Many European nations did not just pass one law to get the healthcare they enjoy today. If was sometimes in incremental steps and that is with parliamentary systems where the party in control is in control. We should use the ACA to continually add more people to insurance roles which will mean different was to supplement those with limited income. It won’t be quick. Am I happy about that? Of course not. But no political party can ignore the reality of the situation they face.

And I often read on DU that company based health insurance is crap. The problem you have is most of the 60,000,000 voters who have health insurance like it. Trying to convince them they are wrong and we have something better seems, to me at least, political suicide.

I have an honest question. Do you truly think we can convince all those voters that the healthcare plan they like really sucks and they should trust us for something better!

If so, we have an honest disagreement.

And honorable people can disagree.

Have a nice evening.









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dflprincess

(28,116 posts)
52. You have a nice evening too!
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:53 PM
Aug 2019
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DeminPennswoods

(15,316 posts)
17. The cost of your health insurance is the raise
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 11:27 PM
Jul 2019

and/or the pension you're not getting or not going to get.

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GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
18. Oh I'm calling BS! You think the day my employer
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 11:32 PM
Jul 2019

Or any employer is told they don’t have to provide healthcare that extra 5k or more is going in my paycheck?

I like my company. A lot. But am not that delusional. Unless the government takes it from them I’m not getting it.

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DeminPennswoods

(15,316 posts)
32. Since you seem determined to love your employer provided
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:30 AM
Aug 2019

health insurance, do you know what Medicare actually covers as compared to your employer plan?

Do you know the origin of employer-provided benefits like yours? It came about because of the wage freeze during WWII. Companies couldn't give raises, so they gave benefits instead. Unfortunately, given the global economy and the way jobs can flow fairly freely from one place to another, this is not a sustainable business model. Just ask the retirees from the mills what happened to their pensions and health insurance once the mills found cheaper ways and less expensive areas in which to produce their product. Remember your company is in business to make money for its owners and shareholders. If labor becomes too big of an expense, the company will find a way to reduce the cost.

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GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
35. I'm aware of everything you just stated.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:38 AM
Aug 2019

Which is why I favor universal healthcare. Or rather universal healthcare we can actually get. Not an undefined plan that one has even made a serious attempt to truthfully figure the cost of.

Expanding the now popular ACA will win support. Asking the 60,000,000 Americans who have health insurance from their employer that we have something better, trust us! Details to come later. That is a sure fire to lose and lose bad.

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DeminPennswoods

(15,316 posts)
40. There is an actual bill in the Senate you can read
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 01:42 PM
Aug 2019

It's quite detailed.

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Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
9. I don't have my own private health ins.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 09:57 PM
Jul 2019

I'm on my husband's employer plan, which could change at any time. I would like to move to something more stable. My own workplace doesn't offer a plan to part-timers like me (academia.)

That said, I understand people who are suspicious about handing everything over to the government because the GOP has shown that they will shit down the neck of any centralized program we pass.

We need to have deeper conversations about all of this.

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DeminPennswoods

(15,316 posts)
10. Covered under FEHB
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:05 PM
Jul 2019

that would be eliminated by M4A.

I did a quick back of the envelope calculation. At my income, the medicare tax of 1.45% comes to a bit over $500/yr. My current health insurance is a bit over $1900/yr which doesn't include dental, vision or LTC. Based on those numbers, the medicare tax could rise to 5% and my current costs would break even.

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wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
12. Do I want to give THESE people MY money?
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:09 PM
Jul 2019


I'm not debating this.
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Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
15. Voted no because employer pays for it. Can employer
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:27 PM
Jul 2019

Pay for Medicare for all?

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Kaleva

(36,493 posts)
16. The tally so far of how supporters voted
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:45 PM
Jul 2019

Last edited Wed Jul 31, 2019, 11:33 PM - Edit history (1)

Yes

20 Elizabeth Warren supporters
13 Undecideds
9 Bernie Sanders supporter
4 Kamala Harris supporter
4 Joe Biden supporters
2 Pete Buttigieg supporter
1 Jay Inslee supporter
1 Beto O'Rourke supporter
1 Pete Buttigieg supporter
1 Tom Steyer supporter
1 Marianne Williamson supporter

No

12 Joe Biden supporters
4 Undecideds
3 Pete Buttigieg supporters
1 Beto O'Rourke supporters
1 Steve Bullock supporter
1 Kamala Harris supporter

Other

1 Undecided
1 Elizabeth Warren supporter
1 Kamala Harris supporter

Members who did not wish to select any of the options provided.

1 Joe Biden supporter

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comradebillyboy

(10,213 posts)
21. I'm on medicare now and I wouldn't want to give up
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:03 AM
Aug 2019

my supplemental insurance. No one is going to give up a good insurance policy now for a promise of something which may or may not be better in the future.

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GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
24. Well said.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:18 AM
Aug 2019

Few of the 60,000,000 people getting healthcare from their employer is going to vote for someone proposing to take that away for some undefined, Better, system.

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
28. All the M4A candidates- including Sen Harris - are promising no coinsurance/deductibles,
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:33 AM
Aug 2019

dental, hearing aids, etc. You would not need a supplement in that case. Don’t think they can deliver, but everyone will cheer the promises.

I’ll take it, would save me $200 a month, I’d try hearing aids, and get some dental work. But, it’s a pipe dream. Although something much better than we have now, is doable and everyone needs coverage even if all those promises are unattainable.

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comradebillyboy

(10,213 posts)
29. Can they deliver on those promises? Color me skeptical.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:36 AM
Aug 2019
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Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
25. Yes. Those words "give up" are deceptive.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:24 AM
Aug 2019

Plans offered by employers are not up to snuff. They don't cover eye and dental. Plans for those are separate. Out of pocket expenses are too much for major illnesses.

Which big companies pay 100%? I don't know of many.

No guarantee they keep the same plan and don't change it while you work for them either. That happened to me. Leas coverage and I paid more.

What small companies can actually provide a plan to their employees?

Most cannot. Especially in the service industry.

Giving up a broken system for a better one is a no brainer.

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
31. Depends on the employer. My employer, admittedly the state, paid all but sixty dollars of my
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:57 AM
Aug 2019

premium and dental and vision was a few extra dollars. The medical was 100 percent coverage, no
deductible, 10.00 co-pays, a few dollars for drugs.

In retirement, my Medicare premium paid out of social security is refunded and I pay no premium for my supplemental PPO plan. Same 100 percent coverage as before.

I am certainly not the only person who had excellent employer paid insurance. Many people get good group rates through employers. Nor am I the only retiree to have Medicate with a private plan at a low cost or no cost rate. True, my salary was really low.

Now Harris said on CNN tonight that she will allow private insurance for some time, but take the employer out of it. My gosh. That means you won’t get a group plan, which can cost so muchless and give the best coverage, and you will have to pay all of your individual plan yourself.

Look, those of you purporting to speak for all plans just don’t. You speak for yourself. For many of us, Medicare4All will not be a better deal.

I expect to pay more taxes so more people can have affordable insurance, but no, I don’t want to give up my plan and I would rather see ACA offer affordable plans, which could happen with less than we would invest in M4A, while we keep good programs like Medicare and Medicaid afloat and give folks the choice of keeping their employer or retirement benefit paid plans.





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Reece2076

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30. A better poll question would be should we start by adding a
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:40 AM
Aug 2019

public option to the ACA or scrap the whole thing and try to implement medicare for all.

The choices in the primary are not between medicare for all or just private insurance companies.

The choice is adding a public option to ACA while keeping private insurance or eliminate everything and put every American on medicare.

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DeminPennswoods

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33. Define "public option"
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:33 AM
Aug 2019

What is it? Buy in to Medicare? Buy in to FEHB?

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Skidmore

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34. I will not seriously consider
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:52 AM
Aug 2019

MFA until the Party demonstrates that it is serious about getting majorities in both houses of Congress. Republicans in the Senate under Trump will not hand MFA to the left. Democrats appear eager not to attend to either establishing majorities or beating Trump, IMHO.

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brooklynite

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37. There is a very simple response to both Republicans...and MFA advocates: "Prove It"
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 11:09 AM
Aug 2019

Put in a public option. If conservatives are right that people will want to keep employer healthcare, they won't sign up. If progressive are right that people will want an expansion of medicare, they will.

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IronLionZion

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46. Uninsured sick people would sign up if its more affordable
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:33 PM
Aug 2019

if too many sick people are on the public option while healthy folks stick with their employer option or go without insurance, then the risk pool would have a funding problem. Any insurance plan would work only if sick and healthy people are in the same plan. MFA would have the benefit of having everyone in one risk pool and get funding from employer taxes. The public option would still need taxes from somewhere to subsidize it.

Republicans would love to kill Social Security and Medicare but can't because those programs have widespread support from all types of elderly people since they all benefit. The GOP would find efficiencies by placing elderly people on melting icebergs if they could get away with it.

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elocs

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43. What difference does it make because Medicare for All
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:20 PM
Aug 2019

will not happen anytime soon, if ever and certainly not within the first term of the next president if that person is a Democrat. No candidate offers any kind of realistic explanation of how it would become law and frankly I think that's offering false hope to people who need the care.
So is it Medicare for All or nothing? Any plan B?
So let the candidates go on record whether they want Medicare for All or not and then let's hear about something better than what we have now that actually has a chance to become law.

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Kaleva

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47. No candidate has been able to explain how they are going to get ANY proposal passed by Congress.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 03:21 PM
Aug 2019

Harris has talked about using EOs in order to enact gun control measures.

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Kaleva

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48. I have VA and Medicare so I have no private insurance to give up. I'm very happy with what I have.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 03:24 PM
Aug 2019
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Gothmog

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53. fighting over the details of their healthcare proposals won't help them beat Donald Trump
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 11:53 AM
Aug 2019
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