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BeyondGeography

(39,493 posts)
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 09:09 AM Aug 2019

If I understand Obama, the person least upset by "criticisms" of Obama is Obama

From the day Barack Obama announced his candidacy in February of 2007 I jumped on board and never regretted my support for a moment. A key reason was the man himself.

I don’t think I’ll ever see a politician with a better temperament, more emotional intelligence, more empathy for all people including his opponents and more generosity of spirit. I don’t think I’ll ever see a politician who was more comfortable in his own skin. He was an anomaly; he never needed to grow a thick skin which can lead to cynicism and world-weariness because his understanding of what truly mattered kept all the darkness out.

At the same time, I think fetishiizing the Obama presidency is silly. And it wouldn’t surprise me if Obama himself agrees. He was in power for eight years, not everything he did looks pristine four years later and candidates should feel free to point out what they would do differently without being treated as apostates, so long as the criticisms are reasonable.

I get that criticizing Obama is bad politics in a Democratic primary, but so is using him as a mute button. If your worried about his legacy, I don’t think anyone is doing his presidency any favors by using it as a shield, turning reverence into paralysis, or just to score a political point or two. I think he’d agree.

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If I understand Obama, the person least upset by "criticisms" of Obama is Obama (Original Post) BeyondGeography Aug 2019 OP
big k&r bigtree Aug 2019 #1
Crazy loads of agreement here. theaocp Aug 2019 #2
the issue people have about attacks on Obama is not about how he feels JI7 Aug 2019 #3
So let's talk about health care BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #4
it helps candidates to be seen as Pro Obama so they aren't going to stop JI7 Aug 2019 #5
We'll see how the dynamic evolves BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #7
The reason why is because they can't even walk in his shadow. still_one Aug 2019 #6
+1000000 BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #11
+++ loyalsister Aug 2019 #8
True self-confidence. Not getting rattled by Twitter trolls and FoxNews - and even ehrnst Aug 2019 #9
K&R Bradshaw3 Aug 2019 #10
nobody's perfect but dwelling on the imperfections treestar Aug 2019 #16
Or maybe examining the past is a sane way to improve the future Bradshaw3 Aug 2019 #17
Ridiculously high bar treestar Aug 2019 #19
I wouldn't characterize it as a ridiculously high bar Bradshaw3 Aug 2019 #20
Healthcare coverage for all involves Congress treestar Aug 2019 #24
Tuned into M$NBC a few minutes this morning. ooky Aug 2019 #12
same way he reacted to Kanye West, I'd bet wyldwolf Aug 2019 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Aug 2019 #14
Pretty sure it has to be true. What has to upset him is Hortensis Aug 2019 #15
his 2008 campaign ad bigtree Aug 2019 #18
Yes, that was dishonest. He knew that her agenda very strongly Hortensis Aug 2019 #21
No, it was honest in the context of the content of the radio ad. Princetonian Aug 2019 #22
It's not about fetishizing the Obama Administration peggysue2 Aug 2019 #23
 

theaocp

(4,283 posts)
2. Crazy loads of agreement here.
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 09:17 AM
Aug 2019

Polarization is just that.

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JI7

(89,637 posts)
3. the issue people have about attacks on Obama is not about how he feels
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 09:21 AM
Aug 2019

but about their own disagreements with those attacks and criticisms.

many people DO want to keep ACA.

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BeyondGeography

(39,493 posts)
4. So let's talk about health care
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 09:23 AM
Aug 2019

without turning the conversation into a “how dare you criticize Barack Obama” moment. That’s all I’m saying.

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JI7

(89,637 posts)
5. it helps candidates to be seen as Pro Obama so they aren't going to stop
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 09:27 AM
Aug 2019
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BeyondGeography

(39,493 posts)
7. We'll see how the dynamic evolves
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 09:31 AM
Aug 2019

I don't doubt that it will continue. Whether it's effective politics from here until next November is another question.

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still_one

(93,667 posts)
6. The reason why is because they can't even walk in his shadow.
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 09:28 AM
Aug 2019
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
9. True self-confidence. Not getting rattled by Twitter trolls and FoxNews - and even
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 10:47 AM
Aug 2019

by other Dems is a hallmark of a great leader.

Like when Speaker Pelosi's reply when asked what she thought of Dems running in 2018 on "not supporting her for House Speaker" - "Just win, Baby!"

Being prickly works against being a good leader.

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Bradshaw3

(7,702 posts)
10. K&R
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 11:22 AM
Aug 2019

Obama was the greatest president in recent history but he wasn't perfect - no one is. And like the OP said, a person was is as honest and level-headed about himself as Obama is, would agree.

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treestar

(82,383 posts)
16. nobody's perfect but dwelling on the imperfections
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:37 AM
Aug 2019

is negative. I know people in life who are like that. Only see what is wrong. Maybe that is why I react negatively to it. In a world where Orange Creature is in the Oval Office, going on about the imperfections of Democrats is insanity.

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Bradshaw3

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17. Or maybe examining the past is a sane way to improve the future
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 11:51 AM
Aug 2019

We can't ever use the ridiculously low bar set by this WH as a standard for what Democrats can do. BTW, I think the whole "controversy" about them "attacking" Obama is overblown, as this writer shows:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/2020-election-when-will-obama-stop-dividing-democrats-by-attacking-obamas-record.html?via=homepage_section_features

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treestar

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19. Ridiculously high bar
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 12:25 PM
Aug 2019

Is just as bad. I live around a person who always has at least one complaint since nothing can be perfect. “The only thing I didn’t like was ...”. Maybe that is why I react this way.

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Bradshaw3

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20. I wouldn't characterize it as a ridiculously high bar
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 01:29 PM
Aug 2019

To get healthcare coverage for all, or to have an immigration policy better than what we have had.

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treestar

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24. Healthcare coverage for all involves Congress
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 09:32 AM
Aug 2019

so they are subject to that bar too. Any Democratic President would sign that.

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ooky

(9,101 posts)
12. Tuned into M$NBC a few minutes this morning.
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 12:24 PM
Aug 2019

Looks like "attacks on Obama" is the newest Republican talking point.

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wyldwolf

(43,882 posts)
13. same way he reacted to Kanye West, I'd bet
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 12:28 PM
Aug 2019
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Response to BeyondGeography (Original post)

 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. Pretty sure it has to be true. What has to upset him is
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 05:54 AM
Aug 2019

how badly the CNN-styled circular firing squad debate format displayed our candidates to the nation, and that too many didn't rise to overcome it.

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bigtree

(87,607 posts)
18. his 2008 campaign ad
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 12:02 PM
Aug 2019

...which stated that, Hillary Clinton 'will say anything and change nothing...'



Barack Obama understands hardball politics.
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Hortensis

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21. Yes, that was dishonest. He knew that her agenda very strongly
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 04:17 PM
Aug 2019

overlapped with his. Just like our candidates now, they both had to create differences to run on and insist they were very significant and immutable when usually they were really neither.

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Princetonian

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22. No, it was honest in the context of the content of the radio ad.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 04:24 PM
Aug 2019
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peggysue2

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23. It's not about fetishizing the Obama Administration
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 04:40 PM
Aug 2019

It isn't about protecting Barack Obama's legacy or how President Obama feels regarding the criticism. It's the way our candidates looked and sounded dissing our last Democratic POTUS. On a public platform in front of the very voters we need to win in 2020, a former president, I might add, who is incredibly popular across the board with the vast majority of Dems and Dem-leaning Indies (95-99% approval).

All this to take a potshot at the former VP while hoping to boost early primary numbers for those lagging behind. At the moment, that strategy doesn't appear to have worked but it looked and sounded desperate while providing Trump and his cohorts ammunition as we roll into the GE.

As stated, CNN set this up and a number of candidates were all too willing to take the bait. It was a mistake in an election season where we cannot take anything for granted.

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