Democratic Primaries
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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
4now
(1,596 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LuvNewcastle
(16,971 posts)The polls leading up to election day seem to be quite a bit off when compared to the election results.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LuvNewcastle
(16,971 posts)I think the election was a lot closer than expected.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Most state polls were within the margin of error.
RCP had an average of Clinton +3.2 nationally.
Real results Clinton +2.1.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(94,850 posts)republicans 11 days before the election. The media then spent the next 2 to 3 days saying the email investigation had been reopened. That was a lie, and they marched every right wing hack across the media outlets reinforcing that lie
By the third day the 5 point lead completely vanished be the help of that lie, and the help of the media
Adding to that was the fact that their were people who are in high positions in the Sanders campaign who refused to vote for Hillary, and encouraged others to do likewise
It didnt take much either
In everyone of those critical swing states Hillary lost by less than [%
Jill Stein received 1% in those stated
Add to that the Russian interference, this isnt rocket science why Hillary lost the lead she had, and the polls reflected it
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Actually they ran a ton
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/mi/michigan_democratic_presidential_primary-5224.html
And it was more than 20 points* not 25 on average*
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)I edited my post as you were posting.
I was under the impression the poster was talking about the general the way they worded it. That is why you will see the numbers I used to the post you replied to.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)I extend the same apologies
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)The primary polls werent too bad. Some states are extremely difficult to poll for a primary.
Again, to anyone reading, I edited my post mid stream. Their reply is directly in context with my original unedited post.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)And because primary polls have a track record of inaccuracies due to polling difficulty, they should usually be taken with a grain of salt.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I can't even chuckle at appeals to stupidity and mindless partisanship when the same people who made the 2016 RW takeover happen are still at it.
But thanks at least for the smile, 4now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont has a huge lead over other Democratic presidential candidates in the number of individual donors they have each accumulated so far.
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Mr. Sanders is relying heavily on small donors to power his campaign, and he entered the 2020 race with a huge network of online donors who supported his 2016 presidential bid. The map above shows the breadth of Mr. Sanderss roster of donors across the United States.
A map that includes the rest of the Democratic field without Mr. Sanders offers a picture of where the other major candidates are picking up donors. Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, the other leading progressive in the race, is outpacing the rest of the field across much of the country a sign that her strategy of relying on grass-roots donors, and refraining from holding high-dollar fund-raisers, is working.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)over in small amounts to make this meme?
What good is a contrived statistic? It is meaningless!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)This scene always gives me a chuckle...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)those two learned math at Trump U.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,010 posts)Having said that I dont think anyone doubts that he has a very large smaller donor and email base.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....large totals of contributions that are "unitemized".
Even the NY Times points that out at the bottom of the article:
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FakeNoose
(34,775 posts)I ... can't ... even ...
It's everywhere and it will never leave.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)On the other hand, what is your source for the russian troll theory?
edit - or maybe i'm missing sarcasm? I know there are Sanders supporters sporting the Biden pic on this board. More trolls!!! too funny!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dcbuckeye
(83 posts)It is a massive lead in the number of individual donors. I don't think anybody argues with that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)Surprised how geographically concentrated the other candidates are. Not a good sign for EC victory - but its early still.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dem4decades
(11,728 posts)Do we want 70 million voters or 25 million donors for the general election?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,598 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,759 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
evertonfc
(1,713 posts)Whoa... Texas
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LAS14
(14,292 posts)... about their leadership to donate even $5. What's the total? Two million? Out of what? Two hunder and some million??
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)It would be hard to overstate the ignorance of the American people.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Everyman Jackal
(271 posts)"Every nation gets the government it deserves." I don't know if that applies to every nation but it does apply to the US. If people don't want to take the time to understand what the people who are running for office are saying and don't fact check what they say and don't bother to vote yes they will get the government they deserve.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)...that there's a nomination process taking place. They don't know that there have been debates already. They don't know that voting begins in 6 months. Tens of millions of people couldn't name the VP. 12% (about 1 out of every 8 people) say they've never even heard of Mike Pence.
Never...even...heard...of...him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JI7
(90,100 posts)i think to see Family. it was around the time of the primary campaigns and i mentioned how she would get to experience that up close and she had no idea what i was talking about.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)The numbers are even worse than you state. As one person I attribute for multiple individual contributors. I have donated to multiple candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Uncle Joe
(59,676 posts)Thanks for the thread floppyboo.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(152,036 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,392 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Couple hundred?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(152,036 posts)There is no way for sanders to be the nominee there are far too many real Democrats who will not forgive or forget
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
How much will you pay if he is the nominee and wins the general? How confident, really, are you that he won't win anything? Will you put a wager on it?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(152,036 posts)If you want to support sanders, go ahead. Warren is already far ahead of sanders and is running a far smarter campaign
Link to tweet
I doubt that sanders will be the nominee and I am hoping that the sanders campaign continues the current trend of falling apart. I really have high hopes that we can keep sanders from disrupting the next convention. I was a delegate to the Philadelphia convention and saw how the process works. One key item is that under the rules, a candidate cannot be put into nomination without 300 delegates. https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/2020-Call-for-Convention-WITH-Attachments-2.26.19.pdf
States in the following manner:
a. Requests to nominate a presidential candidate shall be in writing and shall have affixed thereto the written approval of the proposed nominee and the name of the individuals who shall be recognized to make the nominating and seconding speeches on behalf of a presidential candidate and shall be delivered to the Convention Secretary at a location as specified by the Secretary no later than 6:00 p.m. of the day preceding the day designated for the commencement of presidential nominations.
b. Each such request must be accompanied by a petition indicating support for the proposed nominee signed by delegates representing not less than 300 or more than 600 delegate votes, not more than 50 of which may come from one (1) delegation. A delegate may not sign more than one (1) nominating petition for president and for vice president. Pledged and automatic delegates may sign the petition.
I signed the petition for Clinton in 2016 to put her into nomination but we have over 170 Clinton supporters in the Texas delegation.
If sanders is frozen out of enough states due to the 15% rule and remaining non-Biden delegates are split among several candidates, there is a chance that sanders may not reach 300 threshold
In the mean time, I will continue working in the real world. Texas needs nine state house seats to flip control of the Texas house and be able to control the next regular session of the Texas legislature. I just gave to two candidates running for Texas legislature as well to some candidates for the six Texas Congressional districts that are being contested. I have also donated to four presidential candidates including Warren (my kids love her). The real world is a fun place and Texas will turn blue.
Time will tell. I would love to see sanders fail to get to the 300 delegate and be shut out from the next national convention. The recent polling results and the 15% rule give me some hope that this is possible and is far more probable compared to chances of sanders being the nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Im just curious how actually certain you are that he WONT be the nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mcar
(43,194 posts)How much you wanna bet? Huh? Huh?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(152,036 posts)Why do you want to risk four more years of trump?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)See? I can make completely baseless predictions too! Fact is Biden has never won an election for president -nor has he won any primaries even though he has tried twice. If anybody between the two of them has a track record of actually winning, it is sanders, who won 23 primaries in the 2016 election. Biden has lost over 100.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(152,036 posts)I like living in the real world where electability matters
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Again Biden has never won a primary in his life. What makes you think he will again this time? So far the score in that realm is Bernie: 23/55, Biden: 0/110. He has some catching up to do in "the real world"
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(152,036 posts)There are too many real Democrats who have good memories. These real Democrats will not forget or forgive
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)If and when he gets the nomination.
In the meantime you might want to do something about that giant chip on your shoulder.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(152,036 posts)I think that it is just as likely that sanders campaign will fail to get the 300 delegates necessary to put sanders name in nomination at the national convention
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)But to count out the guy who has been a front runner since the beginning as not having a chance whatsoever, to me, just seems a bit far fetched. He clearly has a shot. That doesn't mean he will win, but it is far better than either of us winning the lottery tomorrow -and even then we have somewhat of a shot of that happening (if you play).
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,812 posts)He was ahead before he even entered the race.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)You are right
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(152,036 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(152,036 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(152,036 posts)Link to tweet
You add up things like packing the Supreme Court, getting rid of the electoral college, the Green New Deal and Medicare for none and you have a prescription of turning America into something it never has been and never should be, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said recently. So we intend to be on the offense in running our races."
Were going into the war with some socialists, Trump told a fundraiser in April.
This could be the defining debate of the 2020 election. Trump is so happy with that. Sanders is fine with that. The rest of the candidates arent so sure. But given the way this debate is shaping up, they may have no choice but to pick a side.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Garrett78
(10,721 posts)South Carolina and Super Tuesday are not going to go well for Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wyldwolf
(43,891 posts)Bernie will win. One foot in front of the other, folks.
Wanna know how we already know that Bernie will win in California on Tuesday?
One thing I can guarantee when Bernie wins. I will not call Hillary supporters losers.
Hillary Tells CNN She Will Be The Democratic Nominee for President!!!! Bernie Sander's Response.
Hillary can't win the nomination before the convention
Bernie is going all the way
Clintonites are in a deep state of denial.
Bernie Sanders will still be the Democratic Nominee
Bernie Sanders Will Become Democratic Nominee Even If Clinton Leads in Delegates
So, when Hillary leaves the convention disappointed
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Nuff said
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wyldwolf
(43,891 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pangaia
(24,324 posts)but that map is too simplistic...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(51,462 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)in small amounts so he can say he has millions of donors and the average amount is small.
It is a meaningless statistic since it is contrived.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(51,462 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JI7
(90,100 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(94,850 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(94,850 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)Does the raw number of contributors without any other data or information actually mean anything?
Maybe he explains later on how those bazillions of Bernie donors actually gave more than 2 bucks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)And as someone else pointed out these are only 'maps' of $200+ donations.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(147,030 posts)All that spinning makes me dizzy...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)This isn't spin. The other candidates have alot of work to do if the Dems are going to win the EC. edit: and that includes east coast Biden. O'Rourke - oh man, he's cleaning up Texas. Wish so bad he had run for a house seat and worked on getting his name out first. He may be a rising star but I seriously doubt he can rise nationally fast enough for 2020. Same with Pete. Good potential that may in the future be seen as tarnished.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)If we actually nominated a candidate who isn't even a member of the fucking party, then what is the point of the party?
Sanders at least *pretended* to be a Dem in 2016, but he isn't now so why should he get any of my attention?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MFM008
(19,960 posts)It shows Biden beating maggot by 13 points.
Thats an important number.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,812 posts)Some people will believe anything.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Vegas Roller
(704 posts)I needed a healthy, stomach-hurting laugh
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden