Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumSorry I just listened to Chris Hayes' show discussion
(TRASHING) of V.P. Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Grasswire2
(13,646 posts)For silly, inconsequential things.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....and his delivery is distracting, to say the least.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elleng
(134,859 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
calikid
(614 posts)But he did a great bit just now about tRump.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... our dvr begins recording a few moments before Rachel's show starts so I see him for just a few seconds each night.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Yesterday he was trashing the shitgibbon, so why is he down on Biden?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(37,715 posts)trying to nip the cheap Biden criticism in the bud, to toss it into the trash news bin.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elleng
(134,859 posts)but heard Hayes' guest say Biden would be a terrible candidate, and no complaint from Hayes. Didn't sound at all as if tossing 'cheap Biden criticism in the bud.' I wish it had.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(303,017 posts)the guest was? And, who they supported?
Thanks!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elleng
(134,859 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ancianita
(37,715 posts)but plain and simple double standard bullshit. They're both wrong about Biden having a "problem," too.
And Salgado saying about Biden's "The Problem As A Candidate" is argued against by Hayes, who brings up Joe's consistent resilience.
At the end you'll notice they HAVE to capitulate to his argument.
"You could be right" Pierce says.
Salgado admits that Biden's strength is "Uncle Joe's name recognition" and that he's the "safe choice."
https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/putting-biden-s-gaffes-into-trumpian-perspective-65804869578
Now here's Hayes' extended and pretty damning comeback about this bullshit double standard. He slams Trump hard.
https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/from-the-standpoint-of-donald-trump-65804869564
From the standpoint montage is hilarious and the final point Hayes slams Trump with.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ancianita
(37,715 posts)until you're clear on who said what.
I'm just asking.
Because the segment you write about didn't at all amount to a "TRASHING."
Hayes is too smart and too good a Democrat to fall for Trump bullshit, as you can see in the links here.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(51,494 posts)complimentary of Biden. When he talked of Biden's resilience, he compared it to Trump surviving what everyone considered mistakes that would destroy his campaign.
The tweets I checked after first hearing about Hayes's show tonight indicated lots of people thought he and his guests were trashing Biden.
A small sampling below. But before I post those I want to point out that checking those tweets alerted me to something inadvertently funny in that video. After criticizing Biden for gaffes, Charles Pierce said, "It's early yet. It's August 2015." That's a bit over 7 minutes into the video.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(37,715 posts)here about Hayes as a Democratic cable news host.
There is WAY too much going off about a good cable news presenter, and a Democrat, over an opening post that is factually wrong. Period.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(51,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,017 posts)Joe Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Evergreen Emerald
(13,088 posts)He is super smart. And he is not using a double standard when assessing Biden's statements versus any republican.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
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highplainsdem: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=234219
Hayes is that pundit who thinks he knows everything but doesn't.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(37,715 posts)He's not trashing Biden.
He's challenging the changeability of a candidate who IS patriarchal in the liberal Catholic tradition. Having been an East Coast Catholic myself, knowing men like Biden, I know that Hayes knows of what he speaks.
And why shouldn't ANY of our candidates get challenged. Religious values at the expense of women's rights have too often been behind our politics, and Oprah's right. Time's up. Challenge had better bring evolving, as Obama learned, and Biden is learning.
Candidate criticism goes on all the time on DU, particularly with targeted candidates.
I see it.
Read it.
Daily.
I don't like it, but hey, it's the primaries.
Hayes is not. my. point. The mistaken reading of HIM because of a mistaken comprehension about what went on with two guests, IS my point.
If Hayes has a trashing bone in his body, he saves it for the vile shitgibbon in the White House.
He minced no words when he straight on called 45 a racist before ANY other MSNBC announcer.
I'm comparing the announcers. I know he was the first.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
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highplainsdem: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=234219
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
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highplainsdem: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=234219
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ancianita
(37,715 posts)double standard that amounts to the " abyss" blackness calling a mere kettle black.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,017 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,048 posts)A free pass to open his mouth and spout bs
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,017 posts)was married to a daughter of a msnbc executive.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(37,715 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(94,924 posts)ones who do their homework are Rachael and Lawrence
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(37,715 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(94,924 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,017 posts)I agree
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(37,715 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mersky
(5,066 posts)Generally, appreciated Charles Pierce's take as that segment wound down. I think a return to 'normalcy', trust, and I'll add, knowing the job are real strengths for Biden.
I thought Hayes' show from yesterday was really pretty good. Watched/listened twice. I'll try to catch the top of tonight's show later on to see about this trashing. I can get rather cranky about unfair coverage or promotion of candidates (I'm looking at you, CNN, with that fawning over Williamson after the debate. Or Reuters leading with Trump every single day thru their app in 2016 - uninstalled that after a month)
All that said, Biden can weather some gaffes, and I'd rather not see them blown out of proportion. Biden is still top of the list for me. Beto's in my top three, which is as good a position as any at this point in the race.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(37,715 posts)Biden is the frontrunner because the double standard bullshit of this president and his conservative fake media don't pass the smell test with the average American.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mersky
(5,066 posts)Hayes pissed me off the first week Biden announced. I'd already seen Biden speak before the electrical workers union days before, and I felt Biden wasn't getting a fair shake. I want to know when a show tilts off the rails, so when I say I'll watch for that bias, I will do so.
Now, all that aside, I watch Hayes fairly regularly for shows like he did yesterday. Also, rather liked the segment about tRump's use of standpoint for things that cannot have a perspective.
It's a mixed bag with cable news. I watch, learn, and enjoy it, but I don't implicitly trust it, but, by golly, we need the media presence. Gotta push back when the limited outlets that do discuss climate change, injustice, and corruption, etc. get lost in horse-race malarkey.
Btw, I really like Inslee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(37,715 posts)just doing his job by who he has to speak to producer talking points. When he's got news that one can chew on, he has some great experts weigh in.
Hayes regularly asks Ta Nehisi Coates on for extended discussions of race issues.
No one else on MSNBC has covered race politics the way that Hayes has.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,017 posts)Link to tweet
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highplainsdem https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=234164
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,147 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,017 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)He thinks hes the smartest teenager on television but mostly hes just annoyingly obvious.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(37,715 posts)time watching him if I thought he was obvious.
I don't get your "he thinks he's the smartest teenager" at all. He's 40. To me he looks 40. He's got a quick, humorous style, but I'd never call it "teenager."
He's also had discussions, so thoughtful and analytical -- with plenty of graphics, film footage to accompany it -- that he's left me wowed, thinking, "look out, Maddow and O'Donnell!"
I think Chris Hayes is a serious cable news analyst who ranks #4 on MSNBC, behind Maddow, Melber and O'Donnell.
I respect that you're entitled to your opinion. I just want to give you mine, is all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Heard of him before he got a talking head gig. Im a former fan-hes not must watch. Lawrence has a lot of cred and accomplishments. Hayes not so much.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(37,715 posts)Hayes has done masterful jobs with candidates meeting the public. He doesn't guide audience attention; he doesn't interrupt or correct; he doesn't frame cheap, hot button issues in any candidate town hall.
Chris Hayes does a LOT to promote the Democratic Party to the entire country.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Like I said, his show is not must watch anymore. Honestly, the town halls are mostly boring. At this point I know what all the candidates positions so I consider them mostly a waste of time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(37,715 posts)No need to drag down a very talented town hall host for that.
Like I said, you're too glib in your seeing any pattern, since you don't even want to bother to seriously watch his work, anyway.
So let's just stop. I've learned enough from you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Hayes started bashing Biden. His cred is shot with me. I even like your candidate though I hope he will stop going after other Democrats. Unfortunately he will probably not be on the stage for the next debate. I do think he would be a great Secretary of the Interior or the EPA chief. He is an appealing politician.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(37,715 posts)he challenged over climate change. And he was right to do it.
Joe's gradualism is an old school approach to the Pentagon's #1 threat to national security, a problem that is THE overarching problem for this country and rightly should be the #1 priority of the next president. Inslee was right.
Because the next ten years are our last chance to not cross the 2 degree Celsius threshhold from which there will be no return for our children or the world.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Inslee does not have the support necessary to take down Trump. Biden does. I think Inslee would have a great environmental impact as part of a Biden administration. If Trump wins all is lost.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(37,715 posts)of a public that is uninformed and unwilling to face reality; they're afraid Inslee would change too much, and don't want any leadership that will change anything that will affect the way they live.
So, you're right. If Trump wins all is lost. If any Democratic president doesn't take Inslee seriously, we're still lost.
Inslee needs to be in a major position to change our entire energy structure, and to build the green new deal leadership that will regain the confidence of our Western allies.
Link the criticisms Inslee allegedly makes against the other candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)contribution in a Democratic administration. Ive heard his pitch. I cant spout his challenges word for word the way you demand but as I said, I know what he is about. Hes been on TV a lot. The chances of him winning the nomination are slim.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(37,715 posts)I don't demand.
I don't demand anything word-for-word. It's reasonable to expect links, at least.
You decide not to have any for Inslee, but claim "I know what he is about."
That, and the negativity typical of those who don't learn about other candidates, is disappointing.
I know a lot about everyone's candidates here, but I'd never say a really smart, accomplished candidate's chances are slim.
Given these tendencies, it's easy to forget that's what they said about Obama.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Not attack him. When they bash him it makes them look small and petty. Good luck to you. If Inslee wins the nomination I guarantee you I will enthusiastically vote for him!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(37,715 posts)look "small and petty." It's only fair in contributing to truthful discourse.
If you don't, what you say is noise, not signal, and doesn't help the Democratic Party. It's hard enough to read people attributing character flaws to candidates who are talking campaign talk, but this stuff about Biden, or candidates attacking and bashing Obama, just isn't right.
I'm glad to know any Democrat would vote for Inslee, and I realize this is the primary season where emotions run high. But that doesn't excuse anyone's making unlinked, therefore baseless criticisms, against party candidates. It doesn't mean that people get to indulge in some negativity bias habit, either.
I've asked twice for links, and twice I just get more imaginings.
Unless you link them. Then we have something to talk about.
To be fair.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,017 posts)I think attacking President Obama is bad policy and bad politics, Sen. Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut said Thursday. Of Bidens tenure as vice president, Blumenthal added: He owns it, for better or worse. But he should be proud of it.
Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois also suggested the Democratic race should be marked by a more hands-off approach toward Obama.
You can disagree with him, and I have, but the bottom line is ... he did an extraordinary job, and he should be given that recognition by those that are running for the presidency.
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/biden-obama-2020_n_5d4326a6e4b0ca604e2edddd
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=224386
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)the best President in my lifetime. It doesn't make sense. I guess they think by disparaging O they will somehow increase their numbers.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,017 posts)would decrease Biden's numbers.. and yes thereby increasing theirs.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,017 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Duppers
(28,198 posts)Hubs still watches. I just wait for Rachel and Lawrence.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(51,494 posts)Charles Pierce was trashing Biden for making gaffes, before saying,
"It's still early. It's August 2015."
Now if Biden had said it was August 2015...
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elleng
(134,859 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(51,494 posts)find any more right now.
If I can find video later, I'll post it...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elleng
(134,859 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(51,494 posts)That remark from Pierce is about 7:07 in.
That link to the video is courtesy of ancianita in reply 21.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,017 posts)Pierce for that? NO!
You're a great researcher on twitter, too.. highplains ! Thank You!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,017 posts)them! That's what you can do when you're on twitter!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)LOL . . .
Never was a Charles Pierce admirer.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(51,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,843 posts)Pierce ended with a fairly strong argument for Biden as the back to normal candidate who just might win in spite of his shortcomings. Hayes agreed.
But Pierce said 2015!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lark
(23,785 posts)He is part of the purity crowd and I haven't given him any of my watching time since 2016.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(23,559 posts)about VP Biden..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TSIAS
(14,689 posts)If you watch a network with Brian Williams, Joe Scab, Nicolle Wallace, and John Podhoretz as regular contributors, nobody can complain about Chris Hayes. He is the closest the network has to a far left progressive.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
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highplainsdem: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=234219
Hayes is that pundit who thinks he knows everything but doesn't.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden