Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumONE candidate causes MASSIVE disruption
One candidate ATTACKS all Democrats.
Hint, it is NOT a republican.
When will we be able to DISCUSS EXACTLY what is going on so MAYBE we can PREVENT it from HAPPENING
I cant even say the next word without risking problems.
Fuck
WHILE i type this the so called prez of the US is telling 45 million people to KILL US ALL if we dont behave. He is gonna send his bikers and deplorables out to KILL US ALL if we dont.
And our side is allowing ONE PERSON to probably prevent us from STOPPING this madness? I dont think I will EVER fucking understand
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)+1
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Larrybanal
(227 posts)but his number is 45 and hopefully soon it will be many more numbers on a prison uniform
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)I think you better read it again.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)I dont know what youre talking about.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Chemisse
(30,817 posts)If you can't link to any, please send me a pm. We should NOT put up with in-party sniping.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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MineralMan
(146,329 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)in some threads I've seen were that big, tho.
I think some acquire them in bulk.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)to the post by showing you that I understood exactly what you meant by your comment on that post.
Is that clearer?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wounded Bear
(58,706 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)Would you call that an attack? I would, but you may have a different opinion.
But posting big images with supposed votes against minimum wage raises and medicare for all, claiming that a candidate didn't vote for these two things, when that is an utter lie, is that an attack? Especially since these images originated in another candidate's campaign, and has that candidate's logo at the bottom? That makes me think that the lied about candidate is being attacked by the lying candidate, but YMMV.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=22101
A blatant and totally FALSE attack posted at almost the same time as O'Rourke's official announcement. Cued up and ready to go, just waiting for the announcement.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)missed that thread.
That's pretty blatant.
Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)talking about with logos at the bottom. Bernie/groups idea of vetting Democrats?! Ive already seen enough of that from 2016.
No excuse for this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,408 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Chemisse
(30,817 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Chemisse
(30,817 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
cab67
(3,007 posts)But I'm concerned he'll do what he did in 2016 - refuse to step down long after his nomination became mathematically impossible, giving false hope that somehow, some way, he'd become the nominee anyway. A lot of his followers bought into elaborate (and false) stories of fraud and collusion between the DNC and Clinton campaign.
I regularly encounter Bernie fans who, to this day, think their decision to not vote, or to vote for Jill Stein, was the right one.
It did a lot of damage.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
cab67
(3,007 posts)But his refusal to drop out when Clinton all but clinched it didnt help.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)smear the Democratic party. Nina Turner voted 3rd party. She encouraged it. Only about 75,000 people made the difference in about 3 to 4 states.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
backabby-blue
(144 posts)The difference between Hillary and Obama was 1% and Hillary did not say she wanted a convention floor flight.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
cab67
(3,007 posts)The economy had crashed, and the Bush jr administration had bungled so many things that the electoral environment strongly favored a Democrat.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,655 posts)about staying home and pouting.. while trump has blood on his hands.
They don't give a damn about babies and kids being ripped from their parents arms. The Supreme court, Climate Change.
They're such fucking "green" geniuses they helped get a vicious climate change denier in charge.'
And, yeah the Russians did their part but so did jill fucking stein's LIES. Fucking idiot.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yaesu
(8,020 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)It makes you seem hyperbolic. You should do more to investigate this person to see if your assumptions are true. Your frustrations with this person may be because you are not seeing this person as one who does not conform to following a path that does not lead to the best out come for our national and international problems. Maybe? Our first proprieties are saving our planet and saving democracy.
This person is just moving the ball. It is unlikely that they will score the goal. The message is the ball. We have many players and they are moving the ball to the finish line. One player in this case will not stop the right message from reaching it's goal.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CrossingTheRubicon
(731 posts)It is a big country. We should be a big party. Diversity should be our strength.
Recently some quoted LBJ's idea that it is better to have people inside the tent pissing out, than being on the outside pissing in.
What LBJ didn't anticipate is that we might have someone on the inside pissing in.
ONE PERSON has done enough damage to our party for a lifetime.
Enough!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Chemisse
(30,817 posts)The lies about O'Rourke don't harm it in and of themselves. But they show he is prepared to use the same scorched earth strategies that did so much damage last time around.
And that could cause irreparable harm to our chances in 2020.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
radius777
(3,635 posts)the issue is how his more vocal supporters conduct themselves IRL and online, in 2016 as well as now.
They seem to operate like a beehive, swarming anyone they view as a threat to Bernie.
All political campaigns and movements do this to some extent, but his is more pronounced than normal.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)from 2001 to 2010 to be inside the Dem tent pissing in it?
While he is prone to grand speeches monopolizing the Senate floor for nine hours in 2010 to deliver an apoplectic diatribe against extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, for instance he votes regularly for standard Democratic fare and has fallen in line with the party on everything from a major tax-and-budget deal to health care reform and bank regulation.
He campaigns as an independent who describes himself as a Democratic socialist, but Sanders voted with Democrats 95 percent to 99 percent of the time from 2001 to 2010, according to CQ Vote Studies. The member with whom he most often votes is Sen. Maria Cantwell, a liberal former business executive from Washington state, according to the congressional tracking website OpenCongress.
Sanders goes his own way most often on issues involving Wall Street and trade for instance, he was the only non-Republican in the Senate to vote last summer to let the Export-Import Bank expire.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-democratic-votes-219140
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)Propublica, who are in the business of researching such matters, has an entirely different conclusion.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Two different sites have different ranks. Interesting stats from your link for the 116th Congress
Sanders voting against the Democratic party 18.6% of the time
Harris voting against the Democratic party 18.8% of the time
Booker voting against the Democratic party 22.2% of the time
Gillabrand voting against the Democratic party 21.75% of the time
and Warren voting against the Democratic party 20.4% of the time
Your link is giving stats for the 116th Congress, the CQ Vote Studies linked to in the article I posted seems to give stats for years, 2001 to 2010 to be exact.
It looks like my post about Bernie voting with Democrats wasn't that far off. Voting with the Dems 68% of the time since 2019 , and voting with Dems 95% to 99 % of the time on different votes over 10 years , sounds good to me. Not bad stats for someone that a few people consider to be "pissing in their tent." YMMV
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
rwsanders
(2,606 posts)I think the Democratic party has more problems because of what they haven't done when they've had the majority than anything any candidate could do. It is still up to the voters last I looked.
I've been paying better attention since the Clinton years and time after time there has been a bunch of stalling and delaying tactics until there were enough Republicans around again to blame the failure on. Sadly a lot of voters took revenge by sitting out or voting for republicans. I think that is what happened in the mid-terms in both Obamas and Clintons presidency.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,319 posts)There was a concern thread yesterday about "troubling" fact that Beto voted against the majority of Democrats 8% of the time.
This was the explosive click-bait headline taken from The Guardian via David Sirota:
The analysis was based on data from Pro Publica which also happened to have the same data for BS:
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)are posting about. The data from Pro Publica is for the 116th Congress. The numbers I posted in my post above about Bernie Sanders voting with Dems 95% to 99% were tracked from a 9 year period and is an older article. Bernie is not a person from "inside the tent pissing in it". He is an ally who votes with Dems most of the time. I like Beto, my niece worked on his campaign, I don't have a clue how much he has voted with Dems or against them while he has been in office and I'm not taking him serious enough at this time to consider him in my top 5. I'll wait and see how he does, outside of Texas before I get excited.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,319 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
handmade34
(22,757 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)Last edited Fri Mar 15, 2019, 03:38 PM - Edit history (1)
...for who?
There are plenty of people on DU that support his policy goals so it's clearly not them who are disrupted. The only people I see disrupted are people who don't like him. They tend to get really worked up over him.
I think that we would all benefit from making positive arguments for candidates rather than tearing down other ones and further dividing people who are otherwise on the same side.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)...rather than tearing down other ones..."
I think most of us agree with that, but unfortunately we have some who are hell bent on tearing down other candidates to the point of misrepresenting or even lying about the voting records of their candidate's opponents.
See my post #17 for such an attack.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)As it's also unacceptable to make vague insinuations about a candidates motives or their supporters motives.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
watoos
(7,142 posts)and I can tear him/her to shreds. Why are we doing this? The Republican agenda for 2020 is to divide Democrats, to get us to fight among ourselves.
It appears to me, mission accomplished here on DU.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)Like this one.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)As well you are using tactics of "Look over there!" We've seen that tactic used all too often.
But nice trying to help paint Sanders himself as being the same person that posted that OP with the pamphlets. The OP did not claim "ONE poster on DU is causing MASSIVE DISRUPTION". They accused one of the candidates themselves. Personally I think, the OP you linked to worded the title wrong out of ignorance rather than subterfuge. Using the word "voted" instead of "supported".
But unwilling to go on the record as supporting something is kinda telling too don'tchathink?
Anyways, I thought I'd check out the people that put out those pamphlets.
https://summerforprogress.com/platform
They rank Democrats on a progressive scale, of those that have signed their pledge for working for issues like medicare for all, minimum wage increase, etc.. Beto is far from the bottom, rated at 25% based on his willingness to commit to certain progressive goals:
Have no fear though there are others much less eager about social progress:
Personally I'd be stoked with any of the candidates, Beto included. Even with his non commitment to important issues. There is no reason to lie about one of our candidates causing "massive disruption"
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)".....The only "massive disruption" on DU are irrational hate filled attacks on one of our own candidates"
I was agreeing with you - what I linked to was an "irrational hate filled attack(s) on one of our own candidates". Agree?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)You did not mention that at first, you only re-directed eyes to a "but but but look at this..." OP.
There is a difference though, in one OP directly accusing one of OUR candidates of causing a "MASSIVE DISRUPTION"
and an example of an anonymous poster on DU mislabeling the title of their OP. Do you think, they thought, that they'd get away with purposely mislabeling the "has not signed up yet" with "voted for" on a message board filled with educated liberal Democrats (like yourself) to fact check them?
And to reply to your other post; yes they have an agenda. Progressive policy promotion. Shared mostly by all of our candidates.
From their platform page the issues on the front burner:
https://summerforprogress.com/platform
Medicare for All Act
College for All Act of 2017
Raise the Wage Act
Equal Access to Abortion Coverage in Health Insurance
Automatic Voter Registration Act
Justice is Not For Sale Act of 2017
Inclusive Prosperity Act
Keep It in the Ground Act of 2017
Do you have a problem with their agenda?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,655 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Sen. Sanders as the ineffectual amateur or Sen. Sanders as the all-controlling all powerful singular entity responsible for all current woes?
Sen. Sanders running for the Democratic nomination will not cause Trump to win in my opinion. The only thing that carries Trump to a second term is if there is diminished Democratic voter turnout.
I will not let threats from scum dictate who I may support or let them dictate who WE run.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jalan48
(13,883 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)Actually, this is the year of the tall slightly gray sexy white male. BETO O'ROURKE
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)disruption if this one hadn't chosen to oblige a second time.
And, yes, that replacement useful person they found and launched would provide the ammunition they needed to multiply to create an inflammatory splinter candidacy. There's no shortage of hostile gadflies on the dissident left.
Reminds me that apparently Tulsi Gabbard's greatly admired down that rabbit-hole forum that revolves around DU. Unfortunately for her ambitions, of course, she's female. That presents obvious difficulties when trying to put together a populist movement, which by definition would be dominated by social conservative followers and most of them male.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
watoos
(7,142 posts)I'm not real bright.
I like Tulsi, she is one of my 3 choices because she fits my criteria, tough as nails, former military.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)involved in infighting that she ended up having to leave and chose to take her squabbling public, using strife to grab the national media spotlight during the Democratic primary. Remember her using the national spotlight to badmouth Democrats in the middle of the Democratic battle against the Republicans? Spinning it as being far too high-minded to be acceptable to the lowlifes in the DNC?
That got her a whole lot of support among those who admired Sanders' own strife with the DNC, but with the giant threat on the right, the Republicans, kleptocratic billionaires, and Russia, all benefiting, that alone took her off my list permanently. The kind of honorable "one good man" I'm looking for would NEVER, ever, ever do anything like that. Never.
Of course after, needing a new home, she of course then offered herself to Sanders himself, but he was far too smart to let someone who'd left the DNC in that style into his inner circle. He had some pictures taken with her, etcetera, and that upped her popularity more with his supporters.
And so on, Adelson, etcetera, looking for a power bloc to make her a big offer. Didn't happen. And now in this strange era she's...running for president. A sign of the times.
You admire her. I do not. We'll see who's right.
But I see someone who's very undependable and unpredictable ideologically, or whatever's directing her erratic course. In spite of her conservatism and other possibly acceptable behaviors, I don't think she'd do better among the Republicans simply because they're not as open to diversity of any type, including "individualism," as we are. She is one of a kind.
As for tough as nails? Maybe. But I really suspect that what I see as dysfunctional behaviors are outweighing her talents, so that she is self destructing slowly. It's pretty common, actually.
A lot of people's biggest talent is self aggrandizement, but once they get there... In any case, if I turn out to be right, she'll basically become a voter discard as far as national, and perhaps even Hawaiian, politics go. (She already has someone with strong support running against her for her seat.) And then maybe she'll go on to be tough ex-military at something else. Perhaps lobbying for some defense contractor who's donated to her in the past?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)If only we could
...
but
nope
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LexVegas
(6,094 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
liftallboats
(11 posts)but perspective is everything and I choose to see the humor in it. I read this and I see John Stewart getting "the vapors."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lame54
(35,321 posts)Make America Altamont Again
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CrossingTheRubicon
(731 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yaesu
(8,020 posts)I filled the bathtub up with water & headed for the basement
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)To have such important things to SAY but not be able to SAY them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,339 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
KayF
(1,345 posts)that argument isn't as powerful as it once might have been.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)oops
better not
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turbineguy
(37,365 posts)apparently.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CrossingTheRubicon
(731 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turbineguy
(37,365 posts)We may have the same recording...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CrossingTheRubicon
(731 posts)conducted by Bohm, Kubelik, and Jochum. Just acquired it.
Then, in the mood, I put on Lohengrin by Kempe.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rgbecker
(4,834 posts)Just about 20 candidates to choose from for starters, yet 50% just come on the forum to bash them all. The few who profess love of one or the other for some reason don't want to commit, even for a day.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)is the one preventing us from STOPPING this madness?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
stranger81
(2,345 posts)is a small group of posters on this board that, since sometime in 2015, have been running around with their hair on fire because -- ZOMG -- a candidate they don't personally prefer threw his hat in the ring.
That group of posters does not define liberalism, progressivism, the appropriate boundaries of discourse on the left, or who can run in a primary. And it fucking KILLS them that they can't control actual politics the way they've controlled this board for three years.
ENOUGH.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)I see a nazi fascist in the WH...I could explain how he got there, but I wont waste my time
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
David__77
(23,503 posts)...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...Theres a Creative Speculation form where you can pretty much post whatever you want. If you have a theory, put it there. Enough of the not-so-vague insinuations.
Or just put whatever you want to talk about out there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden