Warren is great, but I fear she may get the Al Gore treatment from the press.

[jg10003]

For most of his career Gore had a reputation as being a boy scout. His honesty and integrity were unchallenged. Karl Rove then employed his strategy of attacking his opponent's strength, and the media went along with it (the internet, Love Canal, Love Story, etc). Soon many people believed that Gore was the biggest liar since Nixon.

trump has already shown that he will try to make Warren's credibility an issue. He will claim that she lied about her being part Native American, and that all of her many accomplishments in life are due to affirmative action based on that lie. This tactic will resonate for many people who are opposed to affirmative action. The media will report trump's allegations in a misguided attempt to be even handed (the old problem of false equivalency). Also because it makes for entertaining TV and a close race is good for ratings.

I think Warren would be a great president, but I am worried that she may get Gored.

[rampartc]

1. warren would stand up to trump at a debate

if he is arrogant enough to try it.

nut yes, the "fauxcohontas" thing has caught on with the deplorables.

[rickford66]

25. I predict Trump will avoid debating.

He will claim they are fixed.

[rampartc]

28. i think you are correct

if he debates our candidate it will be a minimal event under the most controlled conditions.

[LAS14]

39. So, when were we depending on the deplorables' vote? nt

[rampartc]

41. i don't want their votes

it would mean we are doing something wrong.

but we do need to get used to their bullying and schoolyard nick names, at least until nov 2020.

[Demsrule86]

44. Democrats can't win with just Democrats...need independent voters too...

[LAS14]

45. Independents aren't necessarily deplorables. nt

[Demsrule86]

47. Did you ever hear of Reagan Democrats? I will take my votes where I find them...the idea that some

aren't pure enough to vote for us is just foolish...honestly quite stupid...not you the idea.

[LAS14]

48. I'm not sure how this applies to my post. Did you mean to respon to #47? nt

[Cha]

2. Good god.. the US m$$$$media will throw

the Al Gore/#But Her emails at anyone who wins the Dem nom.

[rurallib]

18. yes indeed - they have been doing so for a long time

Repugs can't win a fair fight - they must cheat and lie to win.

[BlueMTexpat]

20. This!

In spades!

The so-called "liberal" media is anything but.

They give an Unhinged Maniac and Criminal unlimited access to the airwaves and then normalize his unhinged comments. So you KNOW that they will throw every criticism - fact-based or not - at ANY Democratic candidate.

We must not let them distract - or divide - us.

[comradebillyboy]

46. Indeed they will.

[JI7]

3. the media and republicans are always going to be fucking shitty. we need to stop giving them power

and just SUPPORT AND DEFEND OUR CANDIDATES .

and we need to call out the trolls who claim to be from the left while attacking our candidates in order to help republicans win.

[Cha]

4. +Millions!

[betsuni]

5. +1000000

[BadgerMom]

11. [phone]

[BlueMTexpat]

21. + a million or so! eom

[blm]

26. ✔️

[crazytown]

33. Absolutely !

K & R (if I could)

[RockRaven]

6. Every/any Democratic candidate will/would be smeared (illegitimately in most cases) by Trump

and corporate media will gleefully enable and participate. That is baked into the cake. It WILL happen. It has nothing to do with the candidate in question being Warren or not.

The question to be worrying about is: how will the candidate and other party members counter/respond? And will that response be effective/adequate?

[oasis]

7. Trump goes into 2020 with "LIAR" stamped on his forehead. Any

opponent will have a gigantic advantage on credibility.

[Cha]

8. Liar-Traitor-Psycho-Sadist-Violence

Inciter/Blood on his hands/Stupid Dumbshite

What did I leave out?

[oasis]

10. Delusional dolt. nt

[Cha]

14. Definitely. Turns his fans against the

media 'cause he doesn't like the facts aired.. calls everything except fox "FAKE NEWS" and he may turn on fox!

This says a lot for a Fox News poll that has Biden 31, Warren 20, Sanders 10, Harris 8...

There was another interesting finding in that poll -- that voters who don't like either Biden or Trump will still go 43-10 for Biden. In 2016 voters who didn't like either Trump or HRC broke for Trump.

highplainsdem

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287241409

[BadgerMom]

12. "Racist"

[oasis]

13. I dream of hearing "racist" chanted by the WH press. nt

[Cha]

15. Oh yeah.. Screaming "Racist"!

[BeyondGeography]

9. Unlike Gore she won't give a shit

Which is all you have to (not) do in response to their inevitable concern trolling.

Two basic points: that’s her personality and she isn’t surrounded by high-paid know-it-all’s who have been around long enough to learn all the wrong things.

[oasis]

16. Donna Brazile was one of those "know-it-alls". nt

[BeyondGeography]

22. The last ten days of his campaign were great

When Al decided to be Al. That guy would have won handily.

I think candidates have discovered the importance of authenticity in the meantime, part of which is telling the media to get stuffed when the situation calls for it.

[oasis]

32. IMO, Dems need to be even more scrappy with MSM. When we have

the facts on our side there is no need to be timid.

[elocs]

17. Not to worry, she has a plan for that. n/t

[LAS14]

38. :-) Yup, I just bet she does! nt

[SouthernProgressive]

19. Gore ran a pretty bad campaign.

Very little fire with a Boy Scout demeanor. Then he picked someone for V.P. that made his candidacy a joke. I was shaking my head at the campaign her ran. I went and saw he and JL at a campaign rally. It was nap worthy. Nothing better than watching JL trying to warm up a crowd. Amazing that Gore still won it only to be beat out by the Republican machine.

[BlueMTexpat]

23. I was solidly FOR Gore

but I agree with much of what you say.

And choosing Lieberman - who ended up stabbing him in the back during the FL vote count - was a real mistake. IMO, the ONLY consolation from the 2000 loss was that Lieberman's later Presidential runs fizzled. Thank heavens!

Gore also refused to let the highly popular Bill Clinton campaign for him, as Clinton literally begged to do.

[SouthernProgressive]

24. I was big for Gore.

The people around Bush worried me greatly. They were a group of power players who had been fomenting the destabilization of the ME for decades.

I also thought Gore had the potential to be a great President.

[BlueMTexpat]

36. Same here ...

and unfortunately we were right.

[thesquanderer]

27. Trump has cheated and lied through his entire life. But yes, he'll make it about Pocahantas...

...Warren's ONE sketchy thing, which she probably didn't even get any benefit from, and it is the thing about her candidacy I worry about most. And it's absurd for Trump to essentially be calling someone out on their integrity. It's as if Warren is running against Charles Manson, and Manson comes at her with, "My opponent once swatted a fly!" But absurd or not, I'm not sure it wouldn't work. And maybe that's the tact she needs to take, owning up to what is relatively a "swatting the fly" level of integrity lapse in order to attack Trump's countless huge lapses in integrity. But it's tricky.

[get the red out]

29. At this point

I don't see a Democratic candidate that wouldn't be mercilessly attacked. When someone is spotless the conspiracy theorists and RW media just make shit up.

[no_hypocrisy]

30. I'm not worried. Elizabeth Warren and her team will be ready for it as they're expecting it.

[honest.abe]

31. Yeah, I agree she's great but I worry she may not inspire enough Democrats to get out and vote.

Especially AA voters. Not sure she connects well with that voter block which is critical to Democrats winning. Maybe she will eventually but at the moment I dont see it.

[highplainsdem]

34. ANY Democratic front-runner will come under relentless attack from media critics as well as Trump

and the GOP and RW media.

We can expect sniping at our candidates from even more liberal reporters and pundits if their favorite candidate isn't the nominee.

It's important that Democrats NOT buy into those false media narratives and amplify them.

[Life_Long_Democrat]

35. The media didn't like Gore

and did everything to derail his campaign, including altering his statements and outright lying about him.

[LAS14]

37. One thing that Warren has that other wonkish/scoutish nominees didn't is...

... passion. She radiates energy and push back. I don't think stuff will stick to her as well as it did to the likes of McGovern, Dukakis, Kerry and Gore. Not that they weren't passionate in their own ways, but they didn't radiate.

[andym]

40. Warren comes across better than Gore-- at least how he did in 2000

Remember how his persona varied in aggressiveness in the debates. At times he came across as kind of stiff, which hurt him-- yet he still beat a more personable GWB if not for the SC.

[Gothmog]

42. NYT-Many Democrats Worried About Warren

I am in the camp that is worried about Warren https://politicalwire.com/2019/08/15/many-democrats-worried-about-warren/

New York Times: “Even as she demonstrates why she is a leading candidate for the party’s nomination, Ms. Warren is facing persistent questions and doubts about whether she would be able to defeat President Trump in the general election. The concerns, including from her admirers, reflect the head-versus-heart debate shaping a Democratic contest increasingly being fought over the meaning of electability and how to take on Mr. Trump.”

“Interviews with more than three dozen Democratic voters and activists in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina this summer, at events for Ms. Warren as well as other 2020 hopefuls, yield a similar array of concerns about her candidacy.”

[Politicub]

43. Thank you for your concern.