Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumRachel Bitecofer -- DNC, Listen To Her
Bitecofer was the ONLY predictor that got the 2016 win number right.Lawrence O'Donnell just interviewed her, and her look at leaners and voters is the analysis that the DNC needs to drive its ground game.
Salon's interview with Bitecofer offers the best path because she knows how we won the House better than our leadership does. They need to listen to her. (all bolding is mine)
This hampers efforts to counter Donald Trumps destructive impact on a daily basis, and spreads confusion about both Democratic prospects and strategy in the 2020 election prospects. Above all, the mistaken belief that Democrats won in 2018 by gaining Republican support (aka winning back "Trump voters"
from Bitecofer herself:
They might have many reasons that they cite, and probably this is not the reason they would cite. But what made them enraged and show up is Trump Inc., the negative partisanship. I don't know why Nancy Pelosi, the DCCC or many of these moderate members are convinced that moderate Republicans crossed over and voted for them. I have the data for some of these districts and the data tells a very different, very clear story: If Republicans voted in huge numbers, they voted for Republicans.
The second thing that's most significant and influential and this is totally unique and new is the percentage of college-educated residents residing in the state or in the district. This is what I said would be unique and new in the Trump era. This was why I was able to look at maps, at these races that in 2018 people saw as toss-ups, and say, "No, no, no, no. These are going to flip."
In this new era that were moving into, we have college-educated voters moving towards the Democrats, and white working-class voters moving away from them. That allowed me to look months and months ahead at polling and say, these are the races where Democrats are going to do really well.
The Democratic leadership the way theyve chosen to navigate the Trump impeachment stuff, and certainly the way they talk about their House victories and how to maintain their House majority, it tells me that theyre still living in a understanding of the data that is outdated. If you don't understand how you won, and what the concurrent political data environment is telling you, that is concerning. So I do see a lot of evidence that Democrats don't get this.
If one group of candidates took more liberal issue positions, why did they win over independents?" It seems counterfactual, and the reason is what mattered was turnout. ORourke and Abrams carried independents because turnout surged, with different independents showing up to vote, motivated by the targeting strategy deployed by those campaigns, which were run under my suggested model rather than the old playbook that used to work back in the '90s and '80s.
https://www.salon.com/2019/08/17/this-political-scientist-completely-nailed-the-2018-blue-wave-heres-her-2020-forecast/
Here is her 2020 analysis.

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ancianita
(43,307 posts)
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FM123
(10,372 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dlk
(13,247 posts)She gave an excellent interview.
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ancianita
(43,307 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(35,820 posts)Shes very interesting and its a great read.
My issue is it was done by Salon. The same group that supported Stein in 2016, and for me has just gone off the deep end.
There are a few contradictions, where she talks about how we need a candidate that is all about big change.. exciting, but then says President Obama went too far with the ACA and brought about the losses we suffered in 2010.
Heres a different perspective from the Guardian and why voters dont want a lot of excitement but would prefer a return to normal. Its an interesting read as well.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/19/joe-biden-exciting-candidate
Be more informed!! Read both
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ancianita
(43,307 posts)So thank you.
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Ponietz
(4,330 posts)...but then says President Obama went too far with the ACA and brought about the losses we suffered in 2010.
Thats not what it said. She refuted it.
Be more informed!
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=244211
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elleng
(141,926 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JoeOtterbein
(7,869 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Fiendish Thingy
(23,230 posts)She says don't focus on moderate voters or trying to flip Trump voters.
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ancianita
(43,307 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(62,137 posts)It's clear from her analysis and from what she's been tweeting that she thinks moderate Democrats will be crucial in choosing our nominee, and she writes about a Biden/Harris ticket:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287246150
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Fiendish Thingy
(23,230 posts)The turnout of the base required to win.
She specifically said "don't worry about the moderates", and said the base needs a reason to turn out in record numbers.
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JI7
(93,615 posts)than jill stein types that claim to be the most liberalists ones of all.
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Fiendish Thingy
(23,230 posts)She specifically said "don't worry about the moderates" implying they will stay with the Dems. Besides inspiring the base to turnout in massive numbers, in her Salon interview, she did say the Stein voting independents were worth going after- they're the ones who responded to anti-Trump/GOP campaigns in 2018, not the Trump voting independents.
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JI7
(93,615 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(62,137 posts)And in the last two tweets from her that I quoted in my thread about her, she makes it clear she is NOT saying the Denocratic Party has to move left or take extreme positions.
She considers moderate Democrats a very important part of the party and seems to think they'll be decisive in this primary.
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Fiendish Thingy
(23,230 posts)She felt that a progressive running a strong, anti-Trump campaign could easily win, with her only hesitation Being around Sanders.
Yes, there would be hand wringing from the media and Dem establishment, and a progressive nominee would have to be both forceful and artful in dismantling that false narrative.,If that can be done, I don't see any problem inspiring the voters to turnout.
A safe candidate who fits the beltway narrative might not be as inspiring, especially to the crucial young voter bloc. If the youth vote turns out in significant numbers, WE WILL WIN. Bitecofer agrees.
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highplainsdem
(62,137 posts)important role in the primary.
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highplainsdem
(62,137 posts)main voting groups or blocs in the party:
a "grouping" behavior in primary elections ever.
If moderates are the strongest bloc (and the mainstream), according to her own statement, followed by black voters, what makes you think only the third group there, the progressives, are the base?
I think that sometimes when she's talkiing about moderates she means independents, as opposed to moderate Democrats.
She is definitely urging that we focus on Democratic turnout, as opposed to trying to win independents and Republicans.
But I believe Biden can do both.. Especially with a running mate who will appeal to progressives.
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Fiendish Thingy
(23,230 posts)"Absolutely. In fact, in the district-level analysis of the voter file in California and Virginia that I'll be releasing after Labor Day, I have competitive districts in those states. The data shows the turnout surge and how much different the composition of the electorate was between 2014 and 2018. I'm also able to show that even in these districts where Democrats ran Blue Dog candidates who were as unobtrusive as possible with, exactly as you stated, the goal of not riling up Trump voters the turnout for Republican voters in those districts was huge.
In fact, not only did Democrats not get the benefit of not stirring up the Trump base the Trump base was stirred up and showed up in huge numbers but by not tapping into anti-Trump sentiment in their own campaign strategy, by not intentionally activating that Trump angst, they paid a price in terms of their own base turnout. It was depressed, compared to other districts.
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So you might think, "Why is that? If one group of candidates took more liberal issue positions, why did they win over independents?" It seems counterfactual, and the reason is what mattered was turnout. ORourke and Abrams carried independents because turnout surged, with different independents showing up to vote, motivated by the targeting strategy deployed by those campaigns, which were run under my suggested model rather than the old playbook that used to work back in the '90s and '80s."
Targeting Anti-Trump sentiment with Liberal issue positions will drive turn out and win the election.
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highplainsdem
(62,137 posts)issue positions ARE liberal. They're not extreme left, but they're liberal.
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highplainsdem
(62,137 posts)in that section of her appearance on The Last Word.
I don't have the exact quote, but she said, paraphrasing, "Moderates can be appealed to, but Democrats don't do it well."
She would NOT have said "but Democrats don't do it well" if she was talking about moderate Democrats.
I wish she'd be more careful with her terminology, since it's causing confusion.
Anyway, I'll get the exact quote later, or a video clip. The words "but Democrats don't do it well" are an exact quote, and follow her saying that moderates "can be appealed to."
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ancianita
(43,307 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(53,693 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(62,137 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden