Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumprimary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrToast
(6,414 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,420 posts)Last edited Fri Aug 30, 2019, 06:34 PM - Edit history (2)
Michael Kinsley: It used to be, there was truth and there was falsehood. Now there is spin and there are gaffes. Spin is often thought to be synonymous with falsehood or lying, but more accurately it is indifference to the truth. A politician engaged in spin is saying what he or she wishes were true, and sometimes, by coincidence, it is. Meanwhile, a gaffe, it has been said, is when a politician tells the truth or more precisely, when he or she accidentally reveals something truthful about what is going on in his or her head. A gaffe is what happens when the spin breaks down.
It's an old political joke, that a gaffe is when a politician drops the spin and inadvertently tells the truth.
But seriously, this must have driven his Campaign Staff crazy when they heard he said this. Electability is supposed to be the cornerstone of Joe's entire campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,358 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,420 posts)Since Joe Biden is the current front runner, no one can accuse him of wishful thinking when he says just about anyone of our candidates can beat Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,358 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(27,825 posts)He's saying that anyone on the Democratic side can beat Trump.
You think that's a gaffe? It's reality.
You're trying waaaay too hard.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,420 posts)I believe Joe Biden was telling the truth when he said just about any of our candidates can beat Trump.
That undermines the electability argument his Campaign was making, but it is true never-the-less.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,358 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)as they aren't the truth.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,420 posts)the media over uses the word "gaffe" when they should be more direct and honest at times.
But, you did catch the part that said it's an old political joke to call it a gaffe when a politician inadvertently tells the truth?
Gaffe is defined seriously as: an unintentional act or remark causing embarrassment to its originator; a blunder.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,358 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,420 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,358 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HeartlandProgressive
(294 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TwilightZone
(27,825 posts)I would have thought everyone figured that out in 2016. But, alas, no.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OilemFirchen
(7,153 posts)Or is she generally "indifferent to the truth"?
Perhaps you should read your quotes more carefully.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,420 posts)Back to the topic of the OP....
Link to tweet
Let's all salute Joe Biden for stating the truth, that all our Democratic candidates can defeat Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OilemFirchen
(7,153 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,818 posts)Not gonna happen. He has proven he doesnt need to take the low road.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,374 posts)Joe Biden is country and planet over ego.. one of the many reasons I support him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Hes no longer my first choice, but hes a damn close second.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mr.Bill
(24,708 posts)to Trump more than other Democratic candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(27,825 posts)The interpretations of the claim in that thread are certainly...creative.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mr.Bill
(24,708 posts)I would have said if Bullwinkle the moose were on the ballot he would beat Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Otto Lidenbrock
(581 posts)I can see the headlines now:
Biden slams Hillary Clinton by suggesting a moose would have been a better candidate in 2016
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mr.Bill
(24,708 posts)We are talking about 2020 Trump, not 2016 Trump. A good number of people who voted for him then didn't realize what the next four years were going to be like.
I have to keep reminding myself that the vast majority of voters are and were far less informed than we are here. They are more informed about Trump now, though.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(32,420 posts)real strategic reason for saying it.
Joe may forget dates and places sometimes but he wont forget that he worked for a great man and rump is a filthy fucking piece of shit traitor.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,358 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,358 posts)Simply stating if it isnt me then, one of our other fine candidates will.
Go Joe go!!! Weve got your back!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,958 posts)I happen to agree with him. Literally.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(34,358 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,420 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Andy823
(11,521 posts)Even though I get told here on DU that Biden is the "only" one who can beat trump, and we are doomed if he isn't the nominee.
I wonder if that will change no that Joe has said himself others can beat trump also?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,958 posts)But this will serve as a handy rebuttal.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bluewater
(5,420 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,374 posts)I support Joe Biden. He's a Uniter.. he will support the nominee if it's not him and work hard for the Nom.
One of the many reasons I support him .. Country and Planet Over Ego.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,358 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,374 posts)We do! But if it's not Biden he will ".. break his neck working for the nominee.." That's paraphrase from a Biden quote. Biden talk!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,358 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Andy823
(11,521 posts)but others say it all the time. I like Joe and I will vote for him if he is the nominee, I will vote for whoever is the nominee. I have said many times that we have a great bunch of candidates, and that we have more the one who can beat trump.
I don't have any problems with supporters of other candidates and I never will.
The trolls I have a problem with. We had them with Hillary, trying to cause problems and we have them now trying to take down Biden, Harris, and Warren, and others if they gain momentum. It's going to be a long primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,374 posts)but logically no one knows who's going to be the Nom at this point.
I just know that if it's not Biden he will bow out gracefully and not keep running when he knows he can't win.
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=242764
Andy
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Andy823
(11,521 posts)He is a great man and he would never be a sore loser. I also think that the three women in the top tier will also bow out gracefully, not really sure about Bernie, but I hope he does also. They all have to back the nominee and do everything they can to get trump out of office.
My son is 25, he likes Warren, but he said he would back any of our candidates because in the long run we can't let trump win! I totally agree with him.
Take care Cha.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,374 posts)You, too, Andy!:grouphhug:
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,420 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Chemisse
(30,985 posts)He's a good and honorable man.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,950 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(32,420 posts)when necessary.
And that may end up being to win or to do whatever, but I have NO DOUBT he wont FUCK with us to massage his ego!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,358 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(50,638 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
FakeNoose
(35,297 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JI7
(90,233 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)When they go low,
Joe stays high.
It sounds like some here really want ugly, divisive shit slinging type of a campaign.
Biden will not abide!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,358 posts)Negatives about others. It doesnt convince anyone to switch...or help their candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JI7
(90,233 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SWBTATTReg
(23,965 posts)this one answer, all of the democratic nominees...
Ha ha heh...my opinion of Biden has gone up a lot after this answer of his...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)who can beat Dotard and not dissing other Democrats in the form of saying they can't beat him.
This is supposed to be a bad thing?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,958 posts)Think they sent him out there this morning to tell WaPo that just about any ole Dem can take Trump?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bluewater
(5,420 posts)For former Vice President Joe Biden, the 2020 presidential campaign has been focused primarily on one question: Who is best to beat President Donald Trump?
His campaign's answer: Joe Biden is.
But, in an interview for a podcast with the Washington Post's Jonathan Capehart, Biden seemed on the verge of undermining his own camp's argument in favor of his electability relative to the rest of the 2020 Democratic primary field.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/08/30/joe-biden-i-think-almost-anybody-could-beat-donald-trump-2020/2168099001/
It takes a big man to contradict his own campaign's cornerstone argument.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,958 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
treestar
(82,383 posts)which explains the "gaffes." He speaks off the cuff, from the heart. Not over prepared or wooden or all that stuff.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,958 posts)If you read the transcript this was something he volunteered. Capehart asked a follow-up. So the week after Jill is sent out to deliver an eat-your-peas and vote for Joe because hes the one who can win, Biden himself is saying most anyone can win. Thats the mark of a haphazard campaign which is what always happens with Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,818 posts)The question was begging to be followed up by questions about why the other candidates cant beat Trump. Why on earth put those sound bytes out there for Trump to use like he used Bernies sound bytes against Clinton?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)It would be said the DNC is rigging it for him if he was handed the questions before hand.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,958 posts)This is the question he was responding to:
He went there all on his own and made it the headline of the interview because what he said was at odds with all of his campaigns electability messaging to date. That what an undisciplined candidate does.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
treestar
(82,383 posts)He isn't a trained dog.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HeartlandProgressive
(294 posts)It was not a direct question that he had to answer
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,374 posts)https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=242764
Biden is a Uniter. If he's not winning he will support wholeheartedly whomever the winner is.
That's just one reason I support Joe Biden. Country and Planet over ego
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,358 posts)It gives me hope that not all is lost.
Go Joe go!! Weve got your back!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,374 posts)makes people want to support him more!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AlexSFCA
(6,255 posts)If so, it could be the single most important quality against trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,358 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(11,430 posts)And his loyal support of all our Democratic candidates. This will be the fight of our lifetimes. Biden knows that and will not dismiss anyone for the 2020 election. Nor will he give Trump anything to hang his hat on.
AGO4JOE2020
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,420 posts)I believe Joe when he says almost any of our Democratic candidates would defeat Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,374 posts)Like some others have done.. very ungraciously.. but Joe Biden keeps on going Forward!
Mahalo, Peggysue!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(51,946 posts)He's also a team player who will work his heart out for the nominee, if he doesn't get the nomination himself.
We need more people like him.
And we're very, very fortunate he's running.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,358 posts)Comments here!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,374 posts)what I want in a President! Country and Planet Over Ego
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
quickesst
(6,300 posts).... is that there are polls all over the media which clearly shows numerous candidates who on a head-to-head basis today would beat Trump. I think Joe's statement was a friendly overture to his fellow candidates, and reflects the positive and honest attitude of a gracious and caring person. For all of those people who continue to pretend they are aghast at every small criticism of Biden, it has steadily progressed from mildly entertaining to just plain tiresome.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,374 posts)verifying what the polls say.. and they do show Biden as the one who beats trump with the most % points!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
I think some people believe they can take Joe Biden down by inflicting a thousand cuts. The problem is they are trying to do it using a butter knife.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,374 posts)so excited.. here's another cut! But, it doesn't quite do the trick.. too dull.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elocs
(23,040 posts)Why??? Why would he ever say that?
Yes, the mouth is faster than the brain.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HeartlandProgressive
(294 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
elocs
(23,040 posts)"Why should I vote if anybody is going to beat Trump?"
Choosing not to speak a truth does not mean you are lying, and every truth does not need to be told.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marlakay
(12,123 posts)Hes not my number one because I tend to lean more left on a few issues than him but I would be proud to vote for him if he makes it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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colsohlibgal
(5,276 posts)Lawrence ODonnell has had Rachel Bitcofer on several times lately. She correctly called the Blue Wave in 2018 almost perfectly. She says her data shows that any of the top 5/6 dem contenders will crush Putins Cuddly Toy Donnie, that the vote is more anti Trump than pro any candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
andym
(5,603 posts)Some politicians only state that which they think will help them win. Joe Biden is honest and does not self-aggrandize. It is very endearing. I would be very happy if he is elected President-- he will do much to repair the damage Trump has inflicted on America's culture. It also goes without saying that Joe is running because he believes he will be the best possible President.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden