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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:06 PM

 

A few words from Michael Moore

Last night on CNN at their Climate Change Town Hall, a student asked Joe Biden, who had months ago pledged to take NO fossil fuel money, why he was having an NYC fundraiser tonight hosted by Andrew Goldman, the founder of the natural gas co Western LNG. Biden denied Goldman had anything to do with fossil fuels and tried to change the subject. Anderson Cooper wouldn’t let him. Cooper told Biden exactly who Goldman was. Biden pretended to be surprised. Cooper then asked him if he was still going to attend the fundraiser. Biden said if it’s true, then he’d have to reconsider. Cooper said it was true and now CNN is reporting that Biden is indeed attending the fundraiser tonight. Wow. This is so stunning — and I’m sure depressing for the good people who like Biden.
Listen— We can NOT go through this again, my friends. As with Hillary taking GoldmanSachs $$ and then trying to pretend nothing happened, we can NOT risk this again. Our base will stay home once more if Biden is the candidate and it’s politics as usual. If they see he’s in cahoots w/ Fossil Fuel, that he has lied,
they will not say, “So what — Trump’s a bigger liar!” They will just give up. Trust me on this. We need a completely honest and authentic candidate, the Anti-Trump, a street fighter, someone who when they say they’ll take NO fossil fuel $$, they not only keep their promise, they will go after tooth-and-nail and put somebody like Andrew Goldman out of business. They don’t attend a fundraiser of his fat cats!
Joe — you’re driving there right now! For God’s sake, turn your limousine around immediately and apologize to the American people.
You think u can beat Trump. So what! Hillary beat him! Didn’t matter! We need a candidate who will CRUSH him because that candidate has INSPIRED a tsunami of voters with her or his INTEGRITY and his/her progressive vision of what the 21st century should be. That, Joe, isn’t you.
Finally, last night you said that we are only 15% of the climate change problem — “85% of it is the rest of the world’s (fault).” Are you serious? Wall Street, Corporate America, the poor everywhere who make our goods for us, our exploitation of the entire planet — please, Joe, stop.
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Seedersandleechers Sep 2019 OP
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Gothmog Sep 2019 #97
SHRED Sep 2019 #99
Otto Lidenbrock Sep 2019 #2
BlueMTexpat Sep 2019 #17
highplainsdem Sep 2019 #32
questionseverything Sep 2019 #56
W_HAMILTON Sep 2019 #3
JI7 Sep 2019 #11
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evertonfc Sep 2019 #6
emulatorloo Sep 2019 #7
questionseverything Sep 2019 #51
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:06 PM

1. Fuck him

 

There...I feel better
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Response to SHRED (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:12 PM

4. +

 

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Response to SHRED (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 08:38 AM

81. I don't! Biden could win the nomination...

 

And, ANYONE who reads my replies or OPs Knows that I am a staunch environmentalist. Instead simply having Crimes Against Humanity, we need Crimes Against Nature.
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Response to SHRED (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 10:41 AM

97. I stopped paying attention to Moore a long time ago

 

Remember that he voted for Nader
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #97)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 10:53 AM

99. Yep

 

And he encouraged others to also.

Like Sarandon voting for Stein.

Fuck them all.
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:10 PM

2. If Michael Moore really cared about Climate Change he shouldn't have done this

 

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Response to Otto Lidenbrock (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:43 PM

17. Exactly! eom

 

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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #17)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 09:35 PM

32. Exactly. Nader and his supporters helped elect George Bush and defeat Al Gore.

 

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #32)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:24 PM

56. actually if the votes would of been counted in florida, gore would of been elected

 

every newspaper that counted the votes after 2000 was decided showed gore won....the mistake gore made was not asking for the entire state to be recounted

now I never would vote 3rd party in a presidential election but if we really wanted to stop the bad impact of 3rd party votes we would have ranked choice voting


<shrugs>
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:11 PM

3. Fuck Michael Moore.

 

Never forget -- taken during the summer of 2016:

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:18 PM

11. on THE DAY of that Trump tower meeting

 

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:13 PM

5. like him. feel exactly the same as i did a few minutes ago.

 

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:14 PM

6. yawn..

 

I don't care in the slightest. One, Biden won't be beholden to that industry and two, we will take his money. God knows we will need it to best Trump. Come on, you take money from rich people to run your campaign. The purity test here is ridiculous.
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:14 PM

7. Except Anderson Cooper clarified at the end that Mr. Goldman "currently

 

“doesn’t have day to day responsibilities” in the gas exporter.

I wonder if Moore will post a correction.
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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:15 PM

51. that is not true

 

Update: September 4, 2019

Biden was asked about the fundraiser during the CNN climate town hall, and initially denied that Goldman is a fossil fuel executive. Anderson Cooper followed up to let him know that Goldman was a co-founder of Western LNG, and Biden said he would look into it. Later in the forum, Cooper clarified to Biden that he had been told Goldman doesn’t have “day-to-day” responsibilities at the firm. Biden said that he was told by staff that Goldman “did not have any responsibility related to the company, but if that turns out to be true, then I will not in any way accept his help.”

After the forum, Symone Sanders, a Biden spokesperson, dug in, insisting that Goldman is not really involved with the firm he co-founded. But Splinter News dug up a Canadian filing from last year that asks, “Please briefly identify the other senior management personnel involved with Western.”

The answer: “Western is managed by a seasoned team of executives experienced in the LNG and related energy infrastructure industries. Western’s co-founder is Andrew Goldman, Chief Investment Officer of Hildred Capital Partners. He is a long-term investor in the liquefied natural gas sector.” An industry press release from 2018 also speaks about Goldman as having a present-tense role in the company and describes him as “a long-term investor in the liquified natural gas sector.” He’s also the second person listed under “leadership” on Western’s site.
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Response to questionseverything (Reply #51)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:21 PM

53. I find Cooper more credible than "Splinter." Of course your mileage may vary

 

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #53)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:28 PM

58. he co founded the company and is listed under leadership on there web site

 

geesh just say you don't care about fossil fuel money
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Response to questionseverything (Reply #58)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:38 PM

60. The dude is retired as far as I can tell. There is a lot of "spin" in the Splinter article

 

to force/pretend the Canadian filing say things it doesn’t say.

“geesh just say you don’t care about fossil fuel money”

How about you not put words in my mouth I didn’t say.

I don’t like half-truth hit jobs and pile ons of any of our Democratic candidates, and it looks to me that this is a half-truth hit job.

I,ve seen this movie before. Lots of negative spin from certain outlets with no real substance, and lots of hyperbole.

That doesn’t set well with me.

Like that time they claimed Beto is in the pocket of big oil, or that Senator Harris was an corrupt DA. That was bullshit.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #60)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 03:35 PM

106. upsidedown world...where the guy who starts the fossil fuel company is not

 

a fossil fuel guy...lol


harris should sue if anything un true was written about her

<rolls eyes>

beto is so far down the ladder I really do not even keep track of him
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:15 PM

8. Moore is not a friend of the Dems..he's in it for himself, the rest of it he couldn't care less

 

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:17 PM

9. Sorry Moore

 

Your credibility ended long time ago.
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:18 PM

10. Huh...

 

... Hillary never pretended she did not take Goldman-Sachs money. She had a speaking fee - like Trump and most politicians - she spoke, and they paid the fee.

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #10)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:32 PM

16. And if I'm not mistaken she donated that fee to the Clinton Foundation.

 

Too many CTs has made Moore nutty.
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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #10)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:45 PM

19. This is one of many reasons

 

why Michael Moore has NO creds with me whatsoever!
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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #10)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 09:16 PM

25. She also refused to release transcripts

 

of those speeches.

I definitely agree with the part of the OP stating that we need a candidate that is completely above-board. And one that will enthuse voters to vote FOR him or her instead of staying home again.
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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 09:26 PM

29. she was a private citizen. she didn't need to release everything

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #29)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 09:58 AM

84. MF45 was a "private citizen", so was rMoney

 

I still want to see the tax returns and any other relevant things. In fact, anyone not currently holding an office at the time of a run is a "private citizen".

I'm not singling Clinton out, any candidate needs to be able to show that they are not being influenced by a particular industry.
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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #84)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 10:06 AM

87. she released the tax returns

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #87)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 10:48 AM

98. I know.

 

If I remember right, she released more years than almost anyone else. My point isn't about her tax returns.
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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 09:46 PM

35. If you're curious, in her speech she talked about the causes of the Great Recession, that there

 

should've been more transparency on what went wrong, and to prevent another crisis it will require a buy-in from Wall Street. Syria. The media. Russia. Said about possibly running for president in 2016, that it "cannot be about personalities, participants sniping, all of the irrelevant stuff" and that it should be about the future. The CT that her speech was ... I don't know what the hell people imaged. Thanks a lot, everyone pushing the speech CT, for "Crooked Hillary." Trump is much better!

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what-hillary-clinton-s-leaked-goldman-sachs-speeches-tell-us-n666936
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Response to betsuni (Reply #35)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 10:18 AM

92. Upon reading that NBC article about the leaked speech,

 

here's what stands out. It was leaked. Why did it have to be leaked? NBC calls it "emails that purport to show transcripts of the remarks Clinton delivered to audiences of Goldman Sachs employees in 2013". The very next paragraph starts by stating that it was unverified. The source was Wikileaks.

I'm not interested in CT about the speech, or in participating in calling her "crooked Hillary". Clearly she would be far far better than MF45, and in fact, she won and republicons stole it.

Here's why it mattered to me. Early in the primaries, it was expected to come down to Clinton and Bush. Wall Street stated that they were the favored candidates. https://www.newsweek.com/bush-and-clinton-are-wall-streets-favorite-candidates-384479

In 2014, Banksters also declared that they didn't care whether Bush or Clinton won. https://theweek.com/speedreads/454351/wall-street-love-hillary-clinton-vs-jeb-bush-2016 From that short article: "If it turns out to be Jeb versus Hillary we would love that and either outcome would be fine," a "top Republican-leaning Wall Street lawyer" told Politico.

I don't see Jamie Dimon as being the kind of person who would pay out all that money if he expected nothing in return. FFS, he doesn't even pay his employees decently! So, yeah. I think we're entitled to find out what any politician tells Wall Street in exchange for 6 and 7 figure payouts. And when Wall Street lawyers are saying they don't care between two candidates, that tells me that I'd better watch my back because my well-being and Wall Street's conflict, they don't coincide.

Finally, if for nothing else, it's bad optics. Being secretive obviously will lead to speculation. Just look at all the speculation we have about MF45's taxes.



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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #92)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 12:09 PM

100. You are interested in CT about the speech.

 

"Banksters." Bernie's taxes: bad optics. Being secretive obviously will lead to speculation.
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Response to betsuni (Reply #100)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 03:02 PM

104. Sanders should have released his taxes sooner,

 

I didn't like the way he was evasive about it. It wouldn't keep me from voting for him. Clinton's speeches to banksters didn't stop me from voting for her in 2016, either.

I explained why it mattered to me. Obviously, you're free to disregard that.
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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #25)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 12:24 AM

63. She told the banks to "knock it off!"

 

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #63)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 02:21 AM

68. Here's Bernie telling fossil fuel industries to knock it off.

 

His climate change plan: "What it will do is essentially tell the fossil fuel industry that they cannot continue to destroy the planet for the sake of their short term profits. ... So somebody has got to say, sorry, you know, we don't accept people shooting down other people. You are destroying the planet. ... It has to change."
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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #25)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 06:22 AM

70. Most politicians...

 

... have speaking fees and give speeches. I have never seen a demand for "transcripts" akin to that which was given to Hillary Clinton. Do we even have proof she kept "transcripts"? I'm sure there were occasional people recording her speaking - and they would be the ones to find for "transcripts". I think she probably had a draft of a regular speech she gave... and there were probably some alterations for each audience. She probably opened by saying something nice about Goldman-Saks people. After the speech, I expect she threw it in the trash...

If she said something newsworthy, it would have been reported... like, "I have a child sex ring in a local pizza parlor," or "I killed Vince Foster," or "I kidnapped the Lindbergh baby."

And, she did release her taxes.

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #70)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 07:02 AM

72. I will never forgive this shit:

 

"It must be a fantastic speech, a brilliant speech which you would want to share with the American people. It must be Shakespearean!"
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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #70)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 10:02 AM

86. 47% was newsworthy,

 

and it wasn't reported by an attendee. We'd never have known about that if an employee hadn't made the recording.

Personally, I think getting millions in "speaking fees" from industries is corrupt. Whether it's paid before a candidate gets elected, or is the reward after someone leaves office. I don't think any politician should be getting millions in speaking fees.
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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #86)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 10:11 AM

90. he was campaigning and it was a campaign event.there is nothing corrupt

 

about being paid to speak in itself.

people get paid to speak all the time.
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:19 PM

12. Moore is an idiot and an asshole. n/t

 

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:22 PM

13. I have no more f###ks to give. Sorry.

 




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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:24 PM

14. I think Moore is right.

 

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:58 PM

21. there is a lot of people on DU who hate Moore and that only gives more fuel to tRump and putin

 

but on the bright side my ignore list is growing.
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Response to yaesu (Reply #21)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 10:39 PM

43. How does that help Trump and Putin?

 

Are they pals with Moore?
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Response to yaesu (Reply #21)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 03:28 PM

105. I think you have it exactly backward

 

Michael Moore helps Vlad every time he shits on an actual Democrat. Happened in 2016 and it is happening now. That you can’t see that is as fascinating as it is unintentionally hilarious. And your ignore list isn’t the only one growing.
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Response to jalan48 (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:05 PM

49. I agree with Moore too

 

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Response to Auggie (Reply #49)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 10:27 AM

94. He was right last time.

 

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:29 PM

15. Oh well, Michael. Why don't you just tell us all how we should vote for Ralph Nader, again?

 

That worked out great, especially for all those dead Iraqis.

Basically, pal, a guy who voted for Ralph Nader doesn't know shit from Shinola about energy or the environment.

When I need Michael Moore to tell me how to vote, it's time for a lobotomy.

And please, please, please Michael Moore, don't pretend to give a shit about poor people in say, Africa, for example the Congo region where they mine cobalt under slave conditions so we can be "green."
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:44 PM

18. Sorry, but Michael Moore

 

lost ALL credibility with me in 2016.
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:54 PM

20. No one cares what Michael Moore says nt

 





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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 09:01 PM

22. Michael Moore can kiss my shiny steel ass

 

And so can his apologists
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 09:02 PM

23. Fuck you mchael moore

 

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 09:11 PM

24. Is This The Same Michael Moore

 

who stands accused of mistreating employees and stiffing contractors?
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Response to Me. (Reply #24)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 09:24 PM

27. yes

 

check out the comments after the end of the article.

https://www.indiewire.com/2018/09/michael-moore-smear-law-suit-boston-light-sound-chapin-cutler-1202003806/#respond
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Response to JI7 (Reply #27)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 10:16 PM

38. THe Big Hypocrite

 

That's exactly what I'm talking about. He has a lot of nerve, but then he does doesn't he. And hasn't had a hit in years if I'm not mistaken, too busy pulling a trump on people who have helped him.
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Response to Me. (Reply #38)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 10:15 AM

91. things like that show he has no concern for actual everyday workers

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #91)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 10:41 AM

96. Yet Most People Buy His Line Of Being For The People

 

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 09:19 PM

26. I'll get to it right after I finish reading Jill Stein's latest comments

 

Which is NEVER
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 09:25 PM

28. We can't afford ANY new favours for the fossil fuel industry.

 

It's an industry that needs to be shut down, not coddled by candidates.

Sickening to see people on here trashing Michael Moore for holding a candidate to account. You'd expect it from Fox, Forbes or Bloomberg, but Democratic Underground? Really, people...?


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Response to Gumboot (Reply #28)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 09:29 PM

30. we couldn't afford to lose 2000 election with liars like Nader helping Bush

 

by claiming there was no difference between Bush and gore.
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Response to JI7 (Reply #30)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 10:19 PM

39. Can you even begin to imagine how different our lives would be?

 

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 09:37 PM

33. I agree and so called progressives too, I guess they want 4 more years of tRump. nt

 

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Response to yaesu (Reply #33)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 09:40 PM

34. And if Biden is our nominee...

 

... that's exactly what we'll get. So what has the DNC learned from 2016?


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Response to Gumboot (Reply #34)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 09:49 PM

36. the Russians propped up trump Sanders and Stein while all of them attacked Clinton

 

and spread DNC conspiracies.
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Response to JI7 (Reply #36)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:22 PM

55. Why yes, yes they did...nt

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #36)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 06:39 AM

71. According to his profile, he doesn't believe the "Russian conspiracies", but he does believe in the

 

DNC conspiracies.
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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #71)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 07:08 AM

73. This is correct.

 

Russia is nice but the DNC has diabolical superpowers to rig things against True Progessives because Democrats are the true enemy.
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Response to betsuni (Reply #73)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 07:15 AM

75. I can't say what I really think is going on there, but you can probably guess.

 

Joe Biden would be Russia's worst nightmare because he would immediately slap the Obama sanctions back on Russia. They have to take him down at any cost. That's the reason we're seeing so much made of "misspeaks" or "gaffes". I'm convinced Biden will be the nominee, and I'm also convinced that Russia and it's propaganda farms will do everything in their power to aid Trump's re-election.
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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #75)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 07:25 AM

76. +1

 

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 09:29 PM

31. I trust what the polls say about who's most electable, much more than I trust Michael Moore.

 

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 10:11 PM

37. Who are you people anyway? OMG...

 

these comments are shocking.
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Response to mudstump (Reply #37)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 07:40 AM

77. Democrats. You? nt

 

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 10:27 PM

40. When your ideology is based on things that aren't true.

 

As Hillary said in a debate, "Enough is enough. If you've got something to say, say it directly. But you will not find that I ever changed a vote because of any donation I've ever received."

Come on, Michael, show the evidence that Hillary was controlled by Goldman Sachs because she made a speech. Biden was VP for eight years, show evidence that because he's friends with the guy who held a fundraiser for him, he pushed for deregulation and fracking. Show us any evidence that a Democrat has taken fossil fuel money and changed their positions or votes. Show evidence that the 2916 primary was rigged.

You used to be very careful to fact check, you said so in one of your books. What happened? Too many CTs will really mess up a person I guess.

Please, Michael, stop.
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 10:31 PM

41. This is the same

 

Michael Moore who said the only thing Obama will be known for is being the first black President. Overrated POS.
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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 10:37 PM

42. I'm fine with MM

 

But he shouldn’t be doing this
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 10:41 PM

44. I'm going to take a little bit different position on this...

 

Here called the 2016 election and predicted tRump winning. He should be taken serious.
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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:19 PM

52. "Mitt Romney is going to raise more money than Barack Obama. This should guarantee his victory.

 

I think people should start to practice the words 'President Romney.' To assume that the other side are just a bunch of ignoramuses who are supported by people who believe that Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs 6,000 years ago is to completely misjudge the opposition."

He's sometimes right, a lot of times wrong.
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Response to betsuni (Reply #52)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:21 PM

54. I'll give romney credit for warning about russia...

 

While everyone including obama mocked him for that warning.
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Response to Joe941 (Reply #54)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:34 PM

59. That was weirdly insightful.

 

My favorite Mitt moment was when he ironed his jacket sleeve while still wearing it. "Ouch."
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Response to betsuni (Reply #59)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:56 PM

61. Lol. Yup you can't make that stuff up.

 

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Fri Sep 6, 2019, 12:56 AM

67. What did Romney warn about ? Romney didn't warn that his own fucking party was going to join with

 

Putin to attack the elections.

that's the problem. Obama already knew about the problems with Russia and Putin. none of that would be a problem if not for those in the US and others in the West helping him.
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 10:45 PM

45. Well, I'll say this....F*CK MICHAEL MOORE!!! EOM

 

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 10:48 PM

46. Joe doesn't inspire

 

....much excitement and we're going to need that.

People here vote the issues and don't need that. But the masses do.
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Response to zentrum (Reply #46)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 12:26 AM

64. Speak for yourself. Sounds like excitement when it's bouncing around in an echo chamber.

 

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 10:56 PM

47. Do you agree with Moore? What are your thoughts about his comments?...nt

 

Sid
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:00 PM

48. Moore is correct

 

whatever you think of him.
We need massive energy and enthusiasm to crush Dumpy with so many votes that nothing can stop the blue wave.
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:11 PM

50. Already encouraging people to stay home on Election Day WOW

 

I don’t know that most of the country is ready for a candidate he wants and will vote that way
Maybe I’m wrong
We need to focus on winning against trump is number one for me .
Don’t forget unless something happens trump is an incumbent with a good economy / jobs report
Plus we are up against all the voting irregularities and propaganda with an electoral college system
Think trump can’t win no matter who I do not count on it
Now start talking how you want to put a lot of people out of business
Independents make up a large voting portion who can swing either way along with minorities who traditionally will vote for the democrat in the elections . New youth voting for the first time not all necessarily as left as Moore
I think the party needs to look to these other factions who can come out to vote Dem and assume that these types like Moore will not cooperate with the mainstream dem party if it is Biden or Harris who wins the most primaries .
Their time will then be spent fighting the dem candidate Waste all resources courting them is not going to get them to the polls. They will just assume that means they have more influence then they really do if attention is paid to them for votes imo
I don’t even have a favorite dem candidate that is how much getting rid of trump means to me.
Yes I just want to beat trump unfortunately that is my “inspiration” but I already hear people say they won’t necessarily just vote for anybody but trump.
I do notice none of those declaring that stance belong to any of the groups under attack by magats so maybe like Moore they are more likely to take a chance because if trump wins again they are not directly affected other thAn climate change.
Plus on thatsubject , if they think once again both R&D candidates are just the same , to them it really will not matter
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:24 PM

57. All that is missing from MM's rant is 'Vote Sanders'.

 

"We can NOT go through this again, my friends". That is correct. Support a Democrat this time.
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Fri Sep 6, 2019, 12:19 AM

62. Natural gas is just as bad a pollutant as coal or oil. Don't kid yourself.

 

So if Biden takes money from the fossil fuel industry which includes the natural gas industry, will he be beholden to them once sworn in? Contrary to the disdain some have voiced for Michael Moore, I happen to think his intentions are noble and that he's not out to pull any wool over ones eye. The fossil fuel industry is like a giant foot stomping a tiny ant .. us. We're powerless.
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 12:28 AM

65. This is war. I respect Warren's approach, but I don't have a problem

 

with Biden's approach. The GOP and trump have millions of cash on hand.
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 12:38 AM

66. I like Mike...

 

...he speaks the truth,

" they will not say, “So what — Trump’s a bigger liar!” They will just give up. Trust me on this. "

...he called trump in 2016...I trust his opinion...

...
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Response to myohmy2 (Reply #66)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 08:08 AM

79. He also called McCain, and romney, and said a vote for Gore is a vote for bush

 

All he is, is a self/seeking publicity hound, who was a disgrace at the women’s march when HE tried distract from the women’s unity march with his Democratic Party bashing agenda, until Ashley Judd went to the podium, and told him to get lost, and put him in his place very quickly



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Response to still_one (Reply #79)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 09:59 AM

85. can't...

 

...we let bygones be bygones?...no one's perfect...

...he's one of the few 1%ers I like...he made his 1% loot by bashing the 1%...

...he's on the Progressive side of most issues...

...he put himself on the line bucking cheney and his chimp over the Iraq war and Al lost in 2000 for many reasons, including Al Gore...

...you have to admit the corporate Dems have vacillated quite a bit over the years...

...I'm not saying I'm with Mike 100%...maybe 90%?

...
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 02:45 AM

69. Contemptible attack. 2016 redux, anyone?

 

And, no, you hypocritical scorpion, President Obama did NOT tell Flint mothers it was okay to feed their children poison water.
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Fri Sep 6, 2019, 07:13 AM

74. Michael Moore also supported Ralph Nader. He's also said that there's "no difference" between...

 

Michael Moore also supported Ralph Nader. He's also said that there's "no difference" between Bush-2 and Gore. He's no friend of Democrats. He hates the Democratic party. He honestly gives the appearance of WANTING the Democrats to fail so that he can have some personal and selfish satisfaction. He's no different than Stein-supporters: Susan Sarandon, Nina Turner, David Sirota, and Cornell West. I can't stand him... his attacks on the party... his negativism... his desire to see the party fail... his desire that the GOP prevails... OR his greasy unwashed hair.

Negativity generates apathy.
Apathy discourages voter turnout.
Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

Stop it, Michael! Just stop! Seriously... fucking stop it!

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #74)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 08:07 AM

78. Passive-Aggressive.

 

Just like Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks. They spend all of their time demonizing Democrats and at the last minute say, Oh wait, please vote for the Democrat because lesser of two evils. As Cenk would say, OF COURSE!: their audience wouldn't vote for the demonized Democrat who they spent so much time convincing us are corrupt and terrible.
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 08:11 AM

80. Kill the messenger. That seems to be the mentality these days. Whenever anything questionable

 

is said about Biden, a negative comment, a low poll number, criticizing a policy.
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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #80)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 09:47 AM

82. Michael Moore has a history of saying dumb stuff and wrong things.

 

So it isn’t suprising people push back on Michael Moore. I think you are mistaken when you try to generalize this.

As far as I know Moore’s doing well, is tough, and can survive a little pushback. Sometimes he even admits he is wrong after time passes.
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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #82)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 09:52 AM

83. There is no disagreement there. However, I do feel that we can express our opinions, and have a

 

meaningful debate about whether he is correct in his opinion, without personally trashing people. I see all too often when a post is put up by someone with a preferred candidate other than Biden, people start trashing that persons preferred candidate, even though it has nothing to do with the original post. People can disagree about issues without the nastiness that goes on here. We have enough of that with Trump.
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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #83)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 10:09 AM

89. Thanks! .. I think negative campaigning is bad strategy and can backfire.

 

I think the best strategy here is to lift one’s chosen candidate up with positive information. That’s the way to bring new supporters on board.

Negative campaigning and character attacks against a candidate a person doesn’t like with personal character attacks and highly spun negative articles will get pushback won’t help bring in new supporters.

I saw a Warren supporter say that Biden is a liar or senile. How in the world does that help Warren gain new voters on DU?

I am sure you’ve similar character attacks on Sanders.

So I wish everyone at DU would lift up their own candidates. Policy discussion differences are great too.

Let’s leave the tearing town and character assasination to the GOP and Russians.




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Fri Sep 6, 2019, 10:28 AM

95. I agree. There is nothing wrong with debating the positions or even with advancing your chosen

 

candidates position, but I have seen too many posts saying "He/She will not be the candidate, ---- they can't win, and other negative comments. This just puts people on the defensive, as if they are too stupid to make an informed decision, when we all know we are going to vote for whoever wins the primary. I fear it is just putting people off, and it is demoralizing.
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 10:06 AM

88. A word for Michael Moore or two...FUCK OFF. You helped elected Trump and W...so get lost.

 

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Fri Sep 6, 2019, 10:18 AM

93. Why so much disdain toward Moore?

 

Just because he correctly predicted tRump would be the next president?
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Response to Joe941 (Reply #93)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 01:31 PM

102. he never brings up the Russian attack on the election

 

considering he was hanging out with the rapist julian assange on the day of that meeting.........
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Fri Sep 6, 2019, 12:11 PM

101. I quit paying attention to Moore about the same time I quit listening to Sarandon.

 

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #101)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 08:30 PM

107. Same here

 

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Fri Sep 6, 2019, 02:05 PM

103. I sometimes disagree with MM and the way he says things. I also often find myself

 

agreeing with him. This is a case where I agree. The lustre is departing from Joe. If he keeps being the man who can crush Trump I will consider him the best chance. I support Ms. Warren because she has her stuff together. Time will tell. I hope all those who are saying "but look how he polls against Trump" will change their candidate if he falls behind Ms. Warren or another. There is so much time. I love Joe Biden as a man and as a former great. It remains to be seen if he can go the distance.
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