Only a Biden nomination will allow us to take back the Senate too

[5starlib]

This is one of the reasons I support Biden. Biden is the only candidate I see that can secure a big enough victory in swing states that would also cause the Senate to flip. Biden will dominate the African-American vote and if he were to choose a black VP candidate, droves of black voters would come out in swing state suburban areas like Atlanta and Charlotte that would allow us to take back the Senate. He would also get voters to come out in Milwaukee, Detroit, Philadelphia, Cleveland, etc....places where Hillary didn't do so well. With Biden, we can get a full trifecta. I don't see this with Bernie or Warren. Bernie and Warren would get droves of voters though in New England, California, Oregon, and Washington. They could even outperform Biden easily in those states.

[blm]

1. I disagree.

And I have a pretty damn good track record. This ONLY act is already stale.

[Demsrule86]

4. What evidence do you have...the states we need to take seats in the Senate are moderate...a left

candidate won't have coattails.

[blm]

12. I trust Warren to explain the value of having a HEALTHY CAPITALISM that

works for all better than any other candidate. She isn’t far left, she’s a common sense capitalist who wants to unrig the financial system. Unrigging the financial system was a goal of Obama’s, too, which is why he tapped Warren to set up and sell the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

You underestimate her talent at explaining complex issues using the language of common sense. She and Katie Porter EXCEL at backing the most powerful men in the financial industry into ever-tightening corners and doing it with working class language and circumstances. A national stage for them and their gift will be the best thing that could happen for the Dem party.

[jcgoldie]

25. Aye Aye

Biden is the safe choice apparently. At least thats the argument I read here every day. How does he expand the base?

[trueblue2007]

56. because even some GOPs love him !!!!!!!

[jcgoldie]

77. yeah right

[Demsrule86]

27. You underestimate the difficulty of convincing the Mid West or the South that her policies are not

socialism...it is not a progressive area...and we need to win statewide...in the electoral college. Complicated explanations don't fare well in presidential elections.

[blm]

38. Lol. So you say. I grew up in Ohio and live in N.C.

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Try comprehending the words of others for a change.

WARREN. EXCELS. AT. EXPLAINING. COMPLEX. FINANCIAL. ISSUES. AND. DOES. IT. USING. THE. COMMON. SENSE. LANGUAGE. AND. CIRCUMSTANCES. OF. THE. WORKING. CLASS. FAMILY.

Please stop with the constant projection of your weaknesses unto others. Some of us have been in these primary battles at DU since the first primary race here. And also have decades of experience working campaigns and GOTV for the Dem party.

[DemocracyMouse]

41. Put it this way: Warren is exciting to moderates too.

She's the safer choice.

[blm]

45. Warren will SAVE capitalism and make it work

GOP can’t counter that.


Moderate Democrats’ Surprising Embrace of Elizabeth Warren at the Democratic Debate

https://www.newyorker.com/news/current/moderate-democrats-surprising-embrace-of-elizabeth-warren-at-the-democratic-debate

[Demsrule86]

124. Not if you want to win the presidency and the senate. She will not win a general IMHO.

Winning is exciting to me.

[DemocracyMouse]

134. I'm not convinced Biden can win a general election, unless he continues to adopt Bernie's...

critique of underlying systems decay due to the grotesque concentration of wealth and power in a dozen self-serving oligarchs.

[ms liberty]

85. This, every single bit of it.

Including living in NC and DU primary seasons. I joined in 03 and wanted Al Gore to run. I used to think the 04 primaries were ugly, but it was a lovefest compared to 08 and 16.

[Buckeyeblue]

86. I'm not so sure of that

To me Warren comes across as too academic and distant. I like what she says but she doesn't have to convince me. She needs to convince the people that are going to weigh personality a little above policy.

[blm]

93. No, she doesn't. She speaks in plain language and

Her very GENUINE warmth is being recognized. More and more. She can speak academic nerd to you and turn around and explain complex financial issues in the common sense language that a car wash attendant could grasp.

[Buckeyeblue]

94. I haven't heard that yet.

Look, I have nothing against her. I have seen first hand how the CFPB has changed the banking industry. Banks have whole teams working to prevent coming under the ire of the regulators. She's awesome. I just don't see her connecting with the average center/left voter.

But that's why we have primaries. If the process plays out and she wins, I will gladly vote for her.

[sacto95834]

120. Did you miss the Debates?

Warren comes across quite well. Easy to understand and speaks with passion. I was surprised; as I too was expecting more of an academic. She either took classes or something. Her delivery is very different from when we first met her during the CFPB hearings and her 1st run for Senate.

[Demsrule86]

108. She supports MFA and all sorts of expensive stuff that will be perceived as socialist...

and North Carolina except for 08 just breaks Democratic hearts...and she will not win North Carolina IMHO nor Ohio. I live in Ohio now and work campaigns for 12 years...before that I lived in Wisconsin...hubs worked in autos for years...we have been all over the place. Say what you want because you like her...hey I like her too... but she is to the left of the voters we need in the moderate states we need to win and there is no explaining it away...we could also lose the house as well as the presidency. Moderates gave us the house not progressives and we need them to win re-election.

[PatrickforO]

115. I have to share this!

Yesterday, I went to my Uncle R's 100th birthday party.

Spoke to a number of family members I rarely see, and who I know to be independent voters, and a couple whom I knew to have voted for Trump in '16.

With the exception of one cousin, they were all disgusted with Trump, thought Biden too old (sorry, but that's what four of them actually said), and expressed support for either Warren or Harris. Seriously.

I think Biden's support is soft. We'll see how he does in the early states, but we should DEFINITELY not be afraid of running Warren or Harris. And, as you point out, Warren is quite effective at explaining complex issues to uninformed people, clearly and compellingly.

Anyway, I have long rejected the argument that people are too stupid to understand complex issues. That 'stupidity' is actually being uninformed because of incomplete reporting by corporate media and the deterioration of our K-12 system due to corporate meddling disguised as 'concerned Christianity.' Explain a complex issue to them and most can actually 'get' it.

[blm]

116. Great share

And I concur. Being fearless will bring the bigger win on Election Day 2020.

[Demsrule86]

125. We will not win with Sen. Warren IMHO...she may well win the popular vote...the idea that

Trump is so disliked that a progressive president is a shoo in...in this center left country (at best) is false. Trump won with numbers not much different than what has now...this is not a direct election...EW would win that...but she won't win the electoral college...she will lose in the mid west.

[blm]

128. Please show some restraint.

You really have no clue what Warren is capable of, and you just sound desperately whiney and condescending.

[redstateblues]

131. I fear that she can't win the rust belt. She is only even with Trump in WI. Biden is up 9

[PatrickforO]

40. You know, I really like Katie Porter too. She's really great.

For once, let's take an actual risk and run a candidate who has big, bold ideas, is a scrapper, a hard worker and is well organized.

[blm]

54. Porter is my favorite of the freshman congress.

[LakeArenal]

76. Yes love her.

She has no Franken baggage either.

[blm]

24. I've been here so long everyone knows I love Biden. They also

Know I am an anti-corruption Democrat and will always go for the candidate MOST likely to focus on exposing the corruption.

Warren is exciting, has already proved she has the best ORGANIZED campaign, and she is RIGHT on the issues.

Downticket candidates will benefit from a well-organized and exciting presidential candidate who isn’t afraid of calling corruption....corruption. And can do it in the logical language of the working class - common sense.

[griffi94]

53. That's my position as well

I like Biden fine. I just view him as a status quo candidate.
My own view is that the status quo has cratered and a progressive with Warrens field
of expertise is what we need at this point in time.

[PatrickforO]

17. I'm thinking, like you, that if Warren is our nominee, people will flock to the polls.

[Butterflylady]

19. Not in the states we need.

[blm]

29. I disagree. Whoever is telling you to believe that

Isn’t as bright as they want you to think.

Trump has already lost 2-5% of his 2016 voters in the SWING STATES.

[Demsrule86]

126. She will not win MI, PA or WI...this means an electoral college loss...

I would of course vote for her but you will be very sorry the day after election day if we run Sen. Warren. She is great but this is not the year for a progressive to run. We need a perceived moderate like Biden.

[Butterflylady]

23. Warren I like very much

But I fear she cannot get repug votes like Biden can. We've got to get the democrats that went over to the fat bastard side.

[jcgoldie]

26. No republicans are going to vote for Joe Biden

Or any other Democratic candidate.

[grantcart]

52. "You" have a good record? That syntax reads that you have a good reocord

Of running campaigns electing Democratic Senators.

The OP put together a sensible argument and you are dismissing it with The conceit of a "superior record".

Well I spent 30 ten hour days On The Sinema campaign and we knew that everything lined up perfectly would mean a 3% win.

I agree that in AZ Biden would be the best chance to give us 2 Democratic Senators.

Biden isn't my 1st choice but he is the best choice to get another Democratic Senator from a red state and qote the vice president that would be a BFD.

[blm]

58. Yeah, yeah

If you WANT to see it that way.

Others will disagree and see it as a reply to a conceited post.

To me, Biden looks better on paper NOW, but, once Warren becomes better known, she, along with her better campaign organization, will be the stronger candidate across the board.

But, guess what....I am not conceited enough to post that Warren is the ONLY one who can win just because she HAS the best run campaign organization now.

[Kahuna7]

2. 100%. nt

[wasupaloopa]

3. States are already working to take back the Senate.

The work has been going on since 2018.

Biden is s good man but he is not the only one on anything

[Demsrule86]

6. I believe he is the only one who can help in Arizona and Colorado.

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Edited...he is the only one who can help in Colorado...take that Asshat Corey Gardner's seat.

[squirecam]

20. nope

NV already has 2 Dem senators. Try again.

[Demsrule86]

22. Oops meant Colorado...Corey Gardner...we need to take that seat...a moderate will help in Colorado.

Thanks for pointing it out.

[UncleNoel]

88. Oh, no! A gaffe by a Biden supporter!

Just kidding. Mistakes we all make all the time.

[Demsrule86]

107. Well that's it I made a gaffe...it is over for me.

[Kurt V.]

31. Gardner's seat is already lost. in this time of hyper partisanship some races are getting easier to

Predict. his is one of those.

[Demsrule86]

36. I hope not...I see no path in the senate without this seat.

[Kurt V.]

39. my bad on the wording. Gardner has already lost his seat.

[Demsrule86]

127. I don't think that is true. He is a sitting senator and has an advantage.

[Kurt V.]

130. Its true. the old prediction models have been surpassed by data modeling. google

Rachael Bitcofer.

[GB_RN]

59. "Belief"

See, that right there is your problem: You "believe", you don't KNOW. I don't mean that disparagingly, but where are the data to back up your assertion?
Here's where politics and religion are related: They practically require belief and no knowledge. Thinking for yourself is highly discouraged in both politics and religion.

Facts: Hickenlooper already leads Gardner by a large margin (and did, before getting into the Senate race), without any presidential nominee.
Biden wouldn't help in Montana: Steve Bullock needs to drop out and run that race.
Beto is a lost (presidential) cause, too. He needs to drop out now and run against John Cornhole where he has a decent shot. Biden won't help for dick in Texas.
Biden won't help us here in NC, either. The Democratic candidate will either beat Tillis on his/her own, or he/she won't. NC tends to split tickets.
Think Biden will help a candidate against Moscow Mitch McConnell (R-Yertle The Turtle)? Forget it. Kentucky is in the bag for Dolt45. Again, it will be Amy McGrath winning or losing, all on her own.
The only thing that will save Doug Jones will be if the Reich Wing puts the child molester, Roy Moore, back up against him. Biden won't save him.
Ben Ray Luján will win New Mexico on his own, he doesn't need Biden.
Susan Collins (R-I'm Shocked They're Mad At Me!) shot off her own foot; Biden will not be needed for whoever the Democrats nominate. Susan Collins will either win, or she will lose because of tRump and voting for Kavanaugh.
If Joni Ernst goes down, it will be because of the tRump trade-war albatross around her neck.
Stacy Abrams COULD have beaten Sony Perdue in Georgia, but she decided she had other things to do. Biden won't help a 2nd tier candidate.
The race in Arizona, McSally vs Mark Kelly COULD be close enough, that Kelly could get dragged across the line by a Democratic nominee. Of course, McSally couldn't win a race against a lesbian in red(ish) Arizona, so Kelly has a decent shot at beating her on his own. This would be the only race where a presidential candidate MIGHT help.

The other races are gimmes for either Team Blue or the Red team (emphasis intended).

This isn't my opinion, nor my belief. This is based on data and political analysis from professionals. If you'd like to know where I get my information from, check out electoral-vote.com.

[sacto95834]

121. GB RN

I totally agree in your analysis. Of course anything can happen between now and November 2020. But as of this moment, based on polls, your analysis is spot on. I would like to talk about the person who will be at the top of the ticket according to this thread.

I don't think the 2020 Presidential will be a cake walk. The Orange Menace's numbers look bad today, but I suspect a lot of those who disapprove of him will vote for him come November 2020 - depending on who gets nominated by our fellow Democrats. I truly think Biden would be one of the weakest candidates we could nominate - a old school, DLC member with moderate views. Sound familiar?

I don't think many of our fellow Democrats here recognize that the electorate has changed. Orange won running as a "populist" - anti-trade, isolationist (his "America First" plank), promising to bring back jobs in industries that are dying and running against the establishment. I think if he didn't have so much awfulness to him, he would have won bigger. Despite what you think of Michael Moore, he was right. The 2016 electorate was furious at being overlooked and wanted to vote for somebody capable of "blowing up/shaking up the establishment." Voila.

I agree with those who have said our path to victory is through the Rustbelt - Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Running Biden, who is a firm believer in NAFTA and the TPP is not something that will be embraced. He pretty much campaigns on bringing back sanity to the White House - a return to the Obama years, where nothing much will change. I really don't think this is the winning message. Didn't HRC use this same tactic? Why would re-running the same campaign yield different results in this crucial area?

I do agree that Biden is a nice guy with a short temper. And he has a very LONG record in public life. Some of the positions he took may have played well in the 70s/80s/90s will NOT be acceptable to today's electorate. Yes it was a long time ago, but he will need to explain how he has changed and why his actions would not be done today.

His past has only just begun to appear. If the Democrats don't bring them out in the primary, the Republicans will do so in the General and it will be embellished. I hold no animus for Joe Biden. Hell, I supported him during his 1988 run and would have voted for him had he not dropped out before the primaries got started. Times have changed but I'm not sure Biden has with it; thus I do not find him a strong candidate. Yes he polls well, no doubt, but will it hold into 2020? I think he has two things going for him right now: 1) Strong name recognition; and 2) the vast majority of the electorate (not us political zealots) isn't paying attention yet. The picture will clear once we get closer to Iowa.

[Bradshaw3]

5. Only a Warren nomination will allow Dems to take back the senate

See I can do that too. A proclamation that is worth the electrons and photons it is "printed" on - just like yours.

[Demsrule86]

7. But why? I have a theory that has to do with the electorate...what would attract Arizona voters to

Warren ? It is a red maybe turning purple state.

[pnwmom]

16. The same qualities that caused this Democratic Congressman to switch from Sanders to Warren.

https://www.courthousenews.com/warren-vows-to-root-out-corruption-in-arizona-rally/

Rep. Raul Grijalva, D-Ariz. introduced Warren to the crowd, listing her qualities that brought him to throw his support behind her.

“The qualities of intellect, the qualities of capacity and the critical quality of heart,” Grijalva said. “Qualities, that I might add, the current occupant of the White House lacks.”

Grijalva announced earlier this week that he had endorsed Warren’s 2020 campaign, after previously backing Senator Bernie Sanders in 2016.

“We need to deal with climate change and do it now. We need to unify a nation and not continue to marginalize,” Grijalva said.

[Demsrule86]

18. We are talking about the Senate...that is statewide race. Arizona is red maybe turning purple...sure

you can win a district...that is left...but not statewide IMHO.

[pnwmom]

28. I think Arizonans prefer candidates with intellect, capacity, and heart,

just as voters in other states do.

[Demsrule86]

34. I don't see it that way...it is a moderate to conservative state...McCain wasn't a liberal by any

measure. McSalley almost beat Sinema...there is just no evidence of what you say in this state...

[blm]

42. Healthy capitalism that unrigs the financial system WILL win.

It’s important for YOU to call Warren a socialist. GOP calls every Dem presidential candidate a socialist.

No one is better than Warren at explaining to working class families that a healthy capitalism will work for them, too. Healthy capitalism is not socialism. YOU and others may not have the talent to explain it, but, Warren does. Don’t project the weaknesses of others onto Warren.

[Mr.Bill]

66. They won't be calling our nominee a Socialist.

They will go right to Communist. An open borders, baby-killing, gun grabbing, anti military, etc...Communist.

And you can stand on a stage all day long and explain your economic plan and they won't hear a word you say. That's what we're up against. We can only hope that the ones who won't listen are a minority.

[blm]

67. Those voters aren't voting for ANY Dem.

The independent and Republican moderates WILL listen. And so will the economic-anxiety working class Dem who voted for Trump.

[Mr.Bill]

69. I don't trust that anyone who voted for Trump

is intelligent enough to understand anything.

[blm]

73. Heh. And I think I'M cynical.

We’re getting through this one, Mr Bill. I’ll pray to Mr Mike and make it so. Heheh.

[Demsrule86]

109. I did not call Warren a socialist...I said a perceived socialist...and you can talk all you want...a

moderate top of the ticket helps all the races including the senate race in a moderate state like Arizone...trending purple but... MFA alone will destroy her chances...not polling well and it will be worse once the GOP finishes.

[pnwmom]

44. Apparently, you think Arizonans prefer heartless, incompetent dummies

I think they just goofed with Trump. They didn't realize how bad he was.

https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump-2/

Since Trump took office, his net approval in Arizona has decreased by 24 percentage points.

[Demsrule86]

110. Given the choice between a perceived socialist and Trump...the voters we need will choose Trump or

sit home. They won't vote for Warren...whom they "perceive'" to be socialist. I like Warren but she will not help the Senate in Arizona, Georgia or Colorado...these are long shots but she does not not help in Texas or South Carolina either.

[pnwmom]

117. Do you have evidence that most Arizonans perceive her as socialist? I know that's a word

Republicans and Democratic socialists like to fling about, but she's said many times that she's a capitalist.

[Demsrule86]

118. She has been very clear about her positions...MFA and free college etc...the right is already using

it...asking for proof? Come on. MFA particularly will get us killed in a general.

[pnwmom]

119. Free public education at any level isn't socialist. Neither is universal healthcare.

Britain is a capitalist country and it has the NHS. France is a capitalist country and it has free public universities.

Why some progressives are so eager to adopt the term "socialist" for government services is beyond me.

[Demsrule86]

123. It is not what I think or you think but she either gets the tag big spending and taxing label or

the socialist one with the policies she has advanced. I agree with most of her policies...not MFA. But she won't win a general.

[GB_RN]

68. Theory?

I hate to be the grammar nazi here 😉, but as someone who works in the medical sciences (with a biology degree, nursing degree and the son of a scientist), it drives me crazy to see the over and misuse of the term "theory", especially when applied as "conspiracy theory".🤬

What you have at the moment is an idea. To get to the level of an hypothesis, it has to be testable, and your idea doesn't get to that...at least not yet: Collecting enough data from enough elections to put together a workable algorithm for predictive analysis of future elections would be a great statistical challenge, and a way to test your idea, actually).

Theories are hypotheses that have been tested over and over, never having been proven wrong and are supported by mountains of data. They can evolve, but never be wrong.

Check out this article, and it will explain things a bit more: https://futurism.com/hypothesis-theory-or-law

[Demsrule86]

111. The scientific method is a different animal...people can have theories about all sorts of things...

but mine is simple...moderate top of the ticket candidates who win an election in moderate to red states bring out enough moderate voters to help with down ticket races...if you win the presidency...the expression is 'coattails'.

[NotHardly]

8. Not Hardly

[demmiblue]

9. Lol... wrong. n/t

[Thekaspervote]

10. Haven't read anything about that, but it may happen Obama coattails?

[BlueMississippi]

13. K&R

My thoughts exactly

[Otto Lidenbrock]

14. We need strong candidates and big enough resources to take back the Senate

I believe we can do that whoever the candidate is. I've never bought into the theory whoever is at the top of the ticket dictates what happens down ballot. I think in the past people only tune in for presidential elections and vote for president ignoring state and local. The importance of which is now amplified more than ever.

[PatrickforO]

15. I disagree. Biden is fine but is one of a group of good candidates.

You'll notice that the majority of people who have decided on a candidate here are supporting Warren with Biden in second place. Warren has good policies - I know because I am an economist and her policies are very solid - and is energetic, articulate, scrappy and obviously an order of magnitude more intelligent than Trump.

Last time I did the math, there were about 123 million registered voters in the US. Trump is solid on about 45 million give or take. These are the real basket of deplorables - the kluxers, the nazis, the homophobes, the xenophobes, the ones who would rather see a dictatorship.

However, Trump has thoroughly alienated the independent voters, who outnumber either Dems or Repubs. He has hurt farmers, automakers, auto workers and has undermined the economy with the trade war and the giant tax cut for donors and corporations.

The Democratic base will vote for a Siamese kitten over Trump, they dislike him so much.

I'm thinking Trump is going to have long negative coat tails, and this nation will turn blue. Within five years, the GOP will die, go the way of the old Whigs and Know Nothings, and this party will likely split into progressives and moderates. At least that is my prognostication. We'll see.

But to say what you just did - a bit premature, and other opinions do differ with yours. I think Warren or Buttigieg could do as well against Trump as Biden.

[Demsrule86]

21. We are looking at taking seats in red and purple area...in the South and in the west. All of our

candidates are 'good'. However, it is not about good. It is about fiedling a nominee who can win a purple or red state with a good margin and carry the Democratic candidate for Senator with hin/her. If you run a candidate who is perceived left, they will not win the presidency, and the Senate will remain in GOP hands as well...and I only hope the moderates who gave us the House survive. We need a moderate candidate...not the dream candidate of the left. I don't want to wake up the day after election day in 20 and face the prospect of four more years of Trump. We need three states to win MI, WI and PA. Biden can win those states...and a moderate or a perceived moderate will help in the Senate races too...where as a Warren or a Sanders won't.

[PatrickforO]

30. Well, you and I have a difference of opinion. I don't agree with you at all.

That's OK though. We'll see how the primaries actually go.

[Demsrule86]

113. All our people are fine candidates.I don't dispute that...like them all...But the electoral college

win is only possible by winning three states...blue wall states (MI,PA and WI). Now we have some longshot possibilities but they are unlikely and most know this. Not all our candidates can win the electoral college. Biden is the most likely nominee to win the EC.

[DrFunkenstein]

32. Obama Energized The Base With a Clear Vision For the Future

Biden's vision is basically, "Wasn't Obama really cool? I used to hang out with him sometimes."

[loyalsister]

89. Pretty much

Unfortunately Obama's awesomeness did not bring us a Democratic congress that allowed him to bring his vision to fruition.
I don't see any good reason to be certain about anything regarding 2020. My head is still spinning from what I saw as unthinkable 2016 results until it happened. I hope we would have learned that overconfidence and reliance on polls can backfire.
I hope we have a nominee who takes nothing for granted and operates with a realistic sense of uncertainty.

[MarcA]

92. Agreed. n/t

[Demsrule86]

114. Obama won the Mid West with Biden's help and won the general...it wasn't his vision...it was

the hard work people put in to win the states we needed. Biden campaigned relentless in 08 and 12. Biden was chosen to help with the Mid West and is the perfect candidate this time to win 2020.

[Fiendish Thingy]

33. Cool story...IMO we will take the senate and WH only if our nominee inspires massive turnout

Especially young voters. If young voters increase turnout significantly, WE WILL WIN.

Status Quo incrementalism will not inspire young voters to turn out.

Stacey Abrams and other activists are working hard to maximize turnout in both national and state races regardless of who the nominee is.

[JudyM]

91. +1.

[Gothmog]

35. Joe Biden is the most electable candidate that the Democratic Party has available

[redstateblues]

132. Joe is the only Democrat that can win back the rust belt

Joe is up 9 in WI- Warren is tied with Trump

[Skittles]

37. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[blm]

43. No shit, eh?

Lololololololol.

[Skittles]

48. see the thing is, blm

old racist misogynist assholes won't vote for, say, Warren, so we all need to vote for who THEY would vote for! Interesting how that works, isn't it?

[blm]

49. I'll give it to em straight. Relying on the word ONLY

to form your scare tactic argument here at DU will trigger the hammer. And they will deserve every hit. Hammer em with truth and logic. ; )

[Skittles]

50. quite frankly, it is insulting

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and I am tired of it

[blm]

51. EXACTLY.

I don’t see it from most of the old timers, but, geez, there is a little group of ONLYs who have a lot to learn about primary discussions here.

[Alpeduez21]

46. Vote blue no matter who

Getting out the vote will do wonders for our chances in EVERYTHING!

[blm]

47. 👍🏼

[grantcart]

55. I take exception only with the word "only".

If the election were held today he is the best

That is why we have campaigns.

If he is that dominate in the field let's see how he looks in Feb

[blm]

61. Exactly. Thank you.

[brooklynite]

57. Sorry but the logic doesn't work...

The extra Senate seats we need aren't in the swing States this time around. With the exception of AZ, CO and ME, all the other Republican Senate seats are in solid Red States.

[blm]

60. And Tillis is toast in NC

which is actually a purple state.

[SLClarke]

62. My Libertarian grandsons

They will vote for Warren, who they see as someone who knows about capitalism and the pitfalls thereof, but are totally and completely not interested in Biden, who they see as part of the Clinton / Obama era. Biden, to my mind, appeals to those who want to go back to some version of America that does not exist any more - rather like my cousin Anne, who voted for Brexit and is firmly convinced that the UK can go it alone. I disagree with both stances.

[Tarheel_Dem]

80. It's the grandsons & daughters who get all hyped up in presidential elections and go MIA.....

in the midterms. I'll bank on a seasoned voter everytime. Old folks vote every election cycle. I'm not opposed to young people being excited and voting, but the millennial generation has to suck it up and learn, despite what they've been used to at home, you don't always get what you want. I'm not sure why we should be any more excited about your libertarian grandsons than any other Republican voter. And if you read upthread, Warren supporters are declaring that Biden won't get Republican votes, but you're declaring that Warren will.

[crazytown]

83. Which is why HRC won in 2008

Sometimes "young people being excited and voting" carry the conversation.

[Tarheel_Dem]

95. That's the problem, they only focus on presidential elections. I remember the 2010 midterms.

[crazytown]

97. if only 2010 had been more like 1994

Damn young'uns should have been grateful that 24.6%of them has all that extra time on their hands to get out and vote. Maybe if Obama had listened to 'Tough On Crime' Joe, and put a banker or six behind bars, things might have been different.

[Tarheel_Dem]

98. Don't blame Obama. Everyone knows how "excited" millenials have to be to do their civic duty.

I understand, young folk have things to do. What I don't understand is why we have to suffer through a W. Bush or Donald Trump for them get "excited".

[crazytown]

99. And Everyone knows how 'Tough-On-Crime' the 'Obama-Biden' Administration was

when it came to the corrupt banking executives whose fraud costs tens of millions their jobs, their homes, and in many cases their marriages and their lives.

Joe's Bankruptcy Act turbocharge the foreclosures. The too big to jail mob got a trillion in assistance. Young people thrown onto the scrap heap were still saddled with crippling student loans thanks to Joes signature legislation.

Why wouldn't they go out and vote. They had nothing better to do

[Tarheel_Dem]

100. Got it. It's Obama's fault. Thanks. I would never have known.

[crazytown]

101. Smarm becomes you.

[Tarheel_Dem]

102. Young folks don't bother to vote? Thanks to crazytown, we now know who to thank......

[crazytown]

103. Exit Polls - GE

Percentage of total vote

2008
18-29 yrs 18%
65 + yrs 16%

2012
18-29 yrs 19%
65 + yrs 16%

2016
18-29 yrs 19%
65 + yrs 15%

If you win the over 65s, and lose the young, you lose. So how about you do your bit for the GOTV, by steering clear of millennials and keeping that smarmy 'suck it up' stuff to yourself.

[Tarheel_Dem]

104. What part of "midterms" & "MIA" are you struggling with? I thought I was pretty clear.

[crazytown]

105. The bit about it being a reply

to a post about grandchildren wanting to vote for Warren in the GE.

[Tarheel_Dem]

106. Jeebus H. Christ.........

[NYMinute]

63. K&R nt

[aeromanKC]

64. Dems would lose Warren's Senate seat if she is elected.

MA has an (R) Gov.

[Andy823]

65. Another hit and run post. nt

[LiberalLovinLug]

70. LOL

[lambchopp59]

71. Nope.

Two debates towards the election our ridiculous media outlets will portray Joe Biden as a gaffe dispenser, compared to our wonderful, successful idiot in chief who sticks tenaciously to his mountain of lies.
We need a candidate that can try, prosecute, filter the bullshit and the slight of hand tricks with finesse, someone who promises some real change, resolve, and couldn't give a rat's ass about "working across the isle" or we'll see another term of the magnate who is destroying the planet to make us number one in oil production (and insane profiteering). Don't shoot the messenger here. The youths I work with are NOT excited by Joe. They want Bernie, but will settle for who brings change, real educational reform and funding, and NOT (again, don't shoot the messenger, I'm reiterating what I hear at work) "one of the good old boys".
We need the youth vote, desperately to rid of Trump and his crooks.

[sharedvalues]

72. This is the ONE argument that makes sense for Biden

I see this argument. Noted. It's fine. The Senate is HUGELY important. And Biden might help us win some Senate seats. That would be critical.


But it all still comes down to how candidates would USE a Senate majority.

We need a candidate that can beat the GOP 2020-2024, not just win in 2020. And if you're not going to get rid of the filibuster, make DC a state and give PR the option, pass laws invalidating Cit U decision, reform gerrymandering, force disclosure of all dark money donations, etc -- then you are going to lose to the GOP 2020-2024. And then a candidate that loses in 2020-2024 will get crushed in the next election. Which will entrench GOP majorities for the next 50 years.

[TeamPooka]

74. apparently the OP has chosen to not defend his strong, one could say divisive?, statement

and let everyone else fight it out.

[5starlib]

79. I'm right here buddy...

I fully stand by my statement. No other candidate has any penetration in states can be a tipping point in the Senate such as Georgia, Alabama, and North Carolina. Neither Warren or Sanders would do anything to help Dems in those states. Hell, I'm not sure they'd even be able to campaign there for the Dem candidate because their views would be so radioactive. Biden can go ANYWHERE in the country, like Alabama. Why hasn't Warren or Bernie been to campaign for Doug Jones? It's pretty obvious!

[TeamPooka]

81. Ha ha. Don't tell me. Tell everybody else disputing your point

Ha ha. Don’t tell me. Tell everybody else disputing your point

[Gore1FL]

75. Only a Marianne Williamson nomination will keep the moon in orbit. nt

[Skya Rhen]

78. The Wisconsin poll just came out yesterday showing Biden beating Trump and Warren tied with him...

Seriously???? How is it even debatable that Biden is the one who beats Trump in must-win red states, like Wisconsin, while Warren does not even come close to beating Trump. Are we really having this back and forth?

I believe in numbers not wishes...


Marquette University Wisconsin poll
VS. Trump

Biden + 9
Sanders + 4
Warren tie
Harris tie



https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/09/04/marquette-poll-wisconsin-voters-rate-donald-trump-top-democrats/2199513001/

[redstateblues]

133. Warren is weak in the rust belt. The numbers bear it out

Warren could win the popular vote and lose the Electoral College

[Chemisse]

82. you may well be right.n/t

[PDittie]

84. Well if Joe wants to

run for the Senate again, that's his prerogative. But I don't know if I could endorse him for that, either.

[treestar]

87. The Senate is the only thing that matters

This country would be progressive if it weren't for the Senate.

And even if we get it, some of them are going to be Blue Dogs, from red states. So it would be slow going even if that.

Rather than obsessing over who should be President, we should actually be talking about which Senate seats can be flipped.

[Demsrule86]

129. You need the presidency and the house as well and in case you havn't looked at a Senatorial map, we

are weak in terms of Senate elections...enough to make you weep...all those blue dogs lost in 2010 and 2014...some here rejoiced...only Repugs replaced them...and it was way worse.

[Scurrilous]

90. ...

[HeartlandProgressive]

112. just not true

[Gothmog]

122. Joe Biden is our strongest candidate

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

135. The hardest job for the next president may be fixing Trump's mess

This is one of the reasons why I think that Joe Biden is the best candidate. Who ever is the nominee will have to be prepared to fix all of the damage that trump has done to our government.

Link to tweet

Perhaps the most straightforward and least complicated undertaking, since it would be entirely within the next president’s purview, is rebuilding the executive branch from the corrupted ruin Trump will leave behind.

One of the most underreported stories about the Trump administration is its basic incompetence. Perhaps Trump’s biggest con of all was convincing his supporters that he was some sort of business wizard with a genius for management. In truth, the Trump Organization was a mom-and-pop family business that he repeatedly micromanaged to the brink of collapse. He is doing exactly the same with the government of the United States.

The White House itself is less like “The West Wing” than “Game of Thrones.” Courtiers vie for the favor of the Mad King, unable or unwilling to perform normal duties for fear of risking Trump’s ire. Usually, the White House is a place where information from outside sources is synthesized and digested so the president can make the best possible decisions. Under Trump, the flow is reversed — his whims, however ill-informed or contradictory or just plain loopy, are tweeted out and must be made into policy.

Agencies vital to our national security — including the Department of Homeland Security and the Federal Emergency Management Agency — lumber along, month after month, without permanent leadership. “It’s easier to make moves when they’re acting,” Trump has said, but really the situation reflects his own insecurity. By keeping his underlings weak and beholden only to him, he limits their power — and thus hamstrings the departments they nominally lead.

Joe Biden is the best candidate to repair the damage done by trump. I think that the repair of this damage will keep the next Democratic President very busy.

[Gothmog]

136. Joe is the best candidate to help the Democratic Party retake control of the Senate

Link to tweet