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Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 03:23 PM Sep 2019

Inside Warren's War With the Obama Team

I cut out the first sentence of the title of this article. I am a strong supporter of President Obama and this article has some interesting material.




But interviews with more than 50 top officials in the Obama White House and Treasury Department, members of Warren’s inner circle at the time and Warren herself, reveal a far more combative relationship between her and the administration than she discusses on the campaign trail. Tensions between Warren and Obama were palpable to White House aides, even as she reserved her real fury for Geithner and White House National Economic Council Director Larry Summers, whom she regarded as predisposed toward big banks over families struggling to save their homes......

Other Obama administration officials call her a “professional critic,” “sanctimonious,” and a “condescending narcissist.” One former Treasury aide puts it this way: “We’re with Barack. We’re the liberals. Why are you pissing in our face?”

One of the administration officials adds: “She loved herself, and some of her staff had a God view of her, and that’s not aligned with government and bureaucrats which, require teamwork.”

People who worked closely with Warren at that time but are not on her presidential campaign are equally scathing about Obama and his team.
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Inside Warren's War With the Obama Team (Original Post) Gothmog Sep 2019 OP
This is disqualifying. George II Sep 2019 #1
How so? vsrazdem Sep 2019 #10
I agree, I could never vote for Geithner or Summers to be President. Uncle Joe Sep 2019 #12
We were on the verge of a massive depression NYMinute Sep 2019 #26
Geithner wasn't even from Wall St.! DrToast Sep 2019 #28
He was President of the FRB which is on Wall Street nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #29
That's a bit of a stretch DrToast Sep 2019 #36
I'll concede the point to you :) nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #40
. DrToast Sep 2019 #45
Oh my gosh!! Oh no... A voice of sanity...Thank you Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #32
We were on the verge of a depression because the banks on Wall Street played Uncle Joe Sep 2019 #57
Different people did that NYMinute Sep 2019 #73
It's certainly easier to think about an issue if you reduce the people to caricatures. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2019 #96
closer to wall street. i am on her side on this. more good for her. pansypoo53219 Sep 2019 #72
No it isn't. Blue_true Sep 2019 #78
Oh great, just what we need, more infighting and hit jobs on our candidates. vsrazdem Sep 2019 #2
Right? mahina Sep 2019 #59
"Professional critic" is a good way to put it. Her criticism of Obama's Admin, Hoyt Sep 2019 #3
She definitely gives off a "her way or the highway" vibe DrToast Sep 2019 #20
I am still team Obama.. and will be till the grave Peacetrain Sep 2019 #4
Barack Obama was a great president. We don't say that enough. Gothmog Sep 2019 #5
Got that straight!!! and President Obama leaned into VP Joe to bring in the Union and Peacetrain Sep 2019 #6
Joe Biden s the only candidate who is defending their record as it should be defended. Gothmog Sep 2019 #21
Exactly! @JoeBiden was in the trenches with @BarackObama Cha Sep 2019 #65
President Obama was a brilliant President! Cha Sep 2019 #60
+++++++++++++++++++ still_one Sep 2019 #13
Obama was the great man of our time LakeArenal Sep 2019 #33
You said it!!! Go Joe go!! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #34
If Politico is running hit pieces on her, then Warren is doing something right and deserves support. LonePirate Sep 2019 #7
I agree Warren is right about this fallrey Sep 2019 #42
i don't paint ppl with a single brush. love em both. Kurt V. Sep 2019 #8
She'll make a great President BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #9
The way I remember the genesis of this feud Desert Dem Sep 2019 #11
CFPB: Formed July 21, 2011 DrToast Sep 2019 #22
Right. And Elizabeth got it done in the Senate didn't she? Desert Dem Sep 2019 #41
She was elected as Senator in 11/6/2012. sheshe2 Sep 2019 #54
Right! Desert Dem Sep 2019 #67
You're welcome, Desert Dem. sheshe2 Sep 2019 #69
You remember incorrectly. OilemFirchen Sep 2019 #71
We owe Warren a debt of gratitude for the CFPB, and she owes Obama a similar debt for her national.. Cha Sep 2019 #75
As Warren surges, the attacks grow more intense Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #14
Seems the best anyone can come up with is name calling BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #23
And the name-calling in this article comes from anonymous sources Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #24
As is Biden. LakeArenal Sep 2019 #35
This!! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #39
Couple that with Jim Cramer saying Wall Street big shots saying she must be stopped. Blue_true Sep 2019 #79
I believe you are right Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #89
that's pretty gossipy bigtree Sep 2019 #15
I've tried to refrain from attacking Warren b/c she has one supporter here who is very dear to me... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2019 #16
Critique is not the same as attack fallrey Sep 2019 #46
I said what I said, and meant it. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2019 #47
Your "opinion". Pres Obama Did Stick up For Cha Sep 2019 #56
She will never be President Desert grandma Sep 2019 #17
Couldn't agree more LakeArenal Sep 2019 #38
Welcome Back! ChubbyStar Sep 2019 #62
From Political Wire-Inside Warren's War With the Obama Team Gothmog Sep 2019 #18
Truly pathetic Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #25
+1 Kurt V. Sep 2019 #31
Thanks! ChubbyStar Sep 2019 #64
Yeah, wtf? obamanut2012 Sep 2019 #86
Spin fallrey Sep 2019 #50
As Axelrod says in the article BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #55
Not a problem for me Fiendish Thingy Sep 2019 #19
In 2009, we were on the verge of a massive depression NYMinute Sep 2019 #27
Solid points.. Thank you.. President Obama Cha Sep 2019 #30
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ emmaverybo Sep 2019 #43
Boom! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2019 #49
I remember this era well Gothmog Sep 2019 #53
Did their approach address income inequality BlueWI Sep 2019 #91
That is like asking a doctor who is trying revive a patient NYMinute Sep 2019 #92
Nah. BlueWI Sep 2019 #93
lol ... lexicographic acrobatics there .. bravo! nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #94
Actually, it's substance that you're seeing. BlueWI Sep 2019 #97
All Democratic and Republican admins have execs from wall street BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #37
Oh how true! But hey, let's not let those pesky experts have a say. Beginning to sound like a Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #44
Our only remaining choice is clear Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2019 #48
This made me spit my coffee on my screen. nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #74
I live to serve Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2019 #76
Serve is not the right verb. nt BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #81
Thanks for posting this, Gothmog peggysue2 Sep 2019 #51
The economic meltdown was really scary Gothmog Sep 2019 #52
Yeah perspective is a good thing ChubbyStar Sep 2019 #66
Did I say Politico was my friend? peggysue2 Sep 2019 #84
Sure thing Peggy ChubbyStar Sep 2019 #85
Just days after Wall Street determined that she was a threat. mahina Sep 2019 #58
You know Senator Warren is gaining traction when the hit pieces rachet up like this. LudwigPastorius Sep 2019 #61
Not taking the bait Raven123 Sep 2019 #63
Yup TheRealNorth Sep 2019 #68
Bail out the homeowners ChubbyStar Sep 2019 #70
If they'd adopted her plan, Dems wouldn't have lost Congress in the 2010 election. blm Sep 2019 #77
Bailing out honeowners WOULD HAVE helped the banks indirectly. Blue_true Sep 2019 #82
Undecided here. But I fully agree with you otherwise. nt Blue_true Sep 2019 #80
+1 hit piece because they are afraid of her obamanut2012 Sep 2019 #87
This makes me smile Gothmog Sep 2019 #83
I read the article kaiserhog Sep 2019 #88
Some of the statements here have the sexist tone BlueWI Sep 2019 #90
I have a lot of respect for what the Obama Admin. did, but Warren is right on this issue. Garrett78 Sep 2019 #95
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
1. This is disqualifying.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 03:28 PM
Sep 2019
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Uncle Joe

(58,111 posts)
12. I agree, I could never vote for Geithner or Summers to be President.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 03:49 PM
Sep 2019
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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
26. We were on the verge of a massive depression
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:35 PM
Sep 2019

We were hemorrhaging jobs by the millions each month.

Financial expertise was needed in order to stabilize the markets and prevent an economic nosedive.

President Obama got PROGRESSIVE financial experts who were maligned ONLY BECAUSE they were from wall street.

Now -- if you need financial expertise to prevent a recession, who do you go to?

Certainly not some radical revolutionary who has no idea how the markets function or what can be done to prevent a depression.

Attacking Summers and Geithner was wrong then and it is wrong now. Their actions have kept the economy growing for 10 years until Trump is given a chance to wreck it.

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DrToast

(6,414 posts)
28. Geithner wasn't even from Wall St.!
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:38 PM
Sep 2019

That dude got a bad rap.

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
29. He was President of the FRB which is on Wall Street nt
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:40 PM
Sep 2019
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DrToast

(6,414 posts)
36. That's a bit of a stretch
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:44 PM
Sep 2019

Geithner was a career public servant. He wasn’t getting rich by being part of “Wall St.”

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NYMinute

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40. I'll concede the point to you :) nt
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:48 PM
Sep 2019
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Thekaspervote

(32,606 posts)
32. Oh my gosh!! Oh no... A voice of sanity...Thank you
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:43 PM
Sep 2019
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Uncle Joe

(58,111 posts)
57. We were on the verge of a depression because the banks on Wall Street played
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 05:29 PM
Sep 2019

Russian Roulette with the their customers money.



Major causes of the initial subprime mortgage crisis and following recession include: International trade imbalances and lax lending standards contributing to high levels of developed country household debt and real-estate bubbles that have since burst; U.S. government housing policies; and limited regulation of non-depository financial institutions. Once the recession began, various responses were attempted with different degrees of success. These included fiscal policies of governments; monetary policies of central banks; measures designed to help indebted consumers refinance their mortgage debt; and inconsistent approaches used by nations to bail out troubled banking industries and private bondholders, assuming private debt burdens or socializing losses.

(snip)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_Great_Recession#targetText=Major%20causes%20of%20the%20initial,of%20non%2Ddepository%20financial%20institutions.




The vast majority of the American people living increasingly on debt, because of stagnant wages (not the 1%) since the 1980s had little breathing room or margin of error and millions of Americans lost their jobs and homes but the gambling mega-banks were well taken care.

If the "radical revolutionary" had been listened to in regards to the dangers of massive income/wealth inequality, the people would've been in a much stronger position to weather the storm.



This Is Where Bad Bankers Go to Prison

(snip)


In contrast to the Icelandic saga, no bank CEOs in the U.S. or the U.K. have been convicted for their roles in the subprime mortgage crackup and related disasters. Bringing white-collar criminal cases may be easier in Iceland because courts don’t use juries. Rather, they employ neutral experts to help judges understand the intricacies of finance. In Britain’s highest-profile case stemming from the crash, the country’s Serious Fraud Office investigated London-based real estate magnates Vincent and Robert Tchenguiz in connection with their business dealings with Kaupthing. The brothers were never charged, and in 2014 the SFO even had to pay them £4.5 million ($6.4 million) in damages to settle their claims of malicious prosecution.

For its part, the U.S. Department of Justice has refrained from prosecuting individual bankers after a Brooklyn, N.Y., jury in 2009 acquitted two former hedge fund managers at Bear Stearns accused of securities fraud. “Washington wasn’t willing to take the risk of another stinging defeat, so they slowed down a host of other prosecutions,” says John Coffee, a professor of securities law at Columbia in New York.

In 2013 then-U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder told Congress that Wall Street banks are so big that prosecuting them might harm the economy. He later stressed no institution is above the law. Some watch-dogs are appalled the feds chose only to extract big civil fines from institutions. “There’s no justification over what appears to be a lack of effort to identify individuals engaged in misconduct and to bring charges,” says Phil Angelides, chairman of the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission, a bipartisan panel established by Congress. “It sends a signal that if you do wrong on Wall Street, there’s really no consequences. That’s bred cynicism about the justice system, and it’s bred anger.”

While Iceland’s leaders have meted out justice by jailing financiers, they still have work to do to repair the damage wrought by the crash. “The politicians did fail,” says sociology professor Olafsson. “They allowed this thing to happen, all the excesses and the greed and the debt accumulation. Something broke in terms of trust.”

(snip)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-03-31/welcome-to-iceland-where-bad-bankers-go-to-prison







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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
73. Different people did that
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 07:55 PM
Sep 2019

Larry Summers or Tim Geithner were not involved in the subprime fiasco.

Blaming the entire wall street for that is like blaming an entire police force because of one corrupt cop.

It is called "Guilt by association" and the ultra left plays it mercilessly by grouping entire groups of people into one and then demonizing them.

Like "corporations" or "CEOs" or "Hedge Funds" or "Wall Street" or "Fossil Fuel Executives"

No group is all good or all bad. There are always a few bad apples. There are people who sink colleges into oblivion and get rewarded with severance packages -- that doesn't make ALL college presidents bad. Right?

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
96. It's certainly easier to think about an issue if you reduce the people to caricatures. (nt)
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 11:19 AM
Sep 2019
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pansypoo53219

(20,906 posts)
72. closer to wall street. i am on her side on this. more good for her.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 07:44 PM
Sep 2019
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
78. No it isn't.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 08:26 PM
Sep 2019

People that want the same things frequently have fierce arguments about how to achieve them.

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vsrazdem

(2,176 posts)
2. Oh great, just what we need, more infighting and hit jobs on our candidates.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 03:29 PM
Sep 2019
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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. "Professional critic" is a good way to put it. Her criticism of Obama's Admin,
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 03:32 PM
Sep 2019

including Clinton, did not help in 2016.

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DrToast

(6,414 posts)
20. She definitely gives off a "her way or the highway" vibe
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:17 PM
Sep 2019

It’s no accident she has received relatively few endorsements. Hell, even Booker has more than her.

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Peacetrain

(22,836 posts)
4. I am still team Obama.. and will be till the grave
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 03:34 PM
Sep 2019
Some that decided to attack him the last debate, will never get another penny from me.. meh.. they are not going to be President either..
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Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
5. Barack Obama was a great president. We don't say that enough.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 03:36 PM
Sep 2019
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Peacetrain

(22,836 posts)
6. Got that straight!!! and President Obama leaned into VP Joe to bring in the Union and
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 03:38 PM
Sep 2019

working class to his side..and he did.. hats off to VP Joe

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Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
21. Joe Biden s the only candidate who is defending their record as it should be defended.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:18 PM
Sep 2019
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Cha

(295,900 posts)
65. Exactly! @JoeBiden was in the trenches with @BarackObama
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 06:00 PM
Sep 2019

It's easy to take pot shots on the outside... Biden knows how much they did with what they had.

Like BS thought it was a "..good idea to primary.." President Obama in 2011.

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Cha

(295,900 posts)
60. President Obama was a brilliant President!
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 05:45 PM
Sep 2019

Mahalo, Goth and Joe Biden!

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still_one

(91,947 posts)
13. +++++++++++++++++++
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:00 PM
Sep 2019
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LakeArenal

(28,728 posts)
33. Obama was the great man of our time
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:43 PM
Sep 2019

President or humanitarian, either one.

Some of the negatives of Warren in that piece I may totally agree with. But now is not the time to string out past negatives.

Though many will do it anyway.

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Thekaspervote

(32,606 posts)
34. You said it!!! Go Joe go!!
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:44 PM
Sep 2019
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LonePirate

(13,386 posts)
7. If Politico is running hit pieces on her, then Warren is doing something right and deserves support.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 03:39 PM
Sep 2019

Politico routinely runs editorials from one of heads of National Review with no countervailing editorials from the left. It is little more than a right wing organization masquerading as a centrist, non-partisan outfit. If they are targeting Warren, then Warren scares them, just like the Wall Street banks and sycophants.

Also, if the tug of war between Warren and Geithner & Summers, I will side with Warren every time. I am still amazed how no one from Wall Street served time for their actions leading up to the Great Recession.

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fallrey

(36 posts)
42. I agree Warren is right about this
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:51 PM
Sep 2019

<<Also, if the tug of war between Warren and Geithner & Summers, I will side with Warren every time. I am still amazed how no one from Wall Street served time for their actions leading up to the Great Recession.>>

I am with you on this 100%. No one was really held accountable and safeguards against future abuses were not strong. Obama did ok, but I was disappointed in how little those who lost so much were left to fend for themselves in many ways.

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Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
8. i don't paint ppl with a single brush. love em both.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 03:41 PM
Sep 2019
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BeyondGeography

(39,280 posts)
9. She'll make a great President
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 03:42 PM
Sep 2019

It’s in the article.

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Desert Dem

(78 posts)
11. The way I remember the genesis of this feud
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 03:45 PM
Sep 2019

was around the bailout and her insistence on a consumer protection agency. I believe the administration told her if she wanted it, she could go run for Senate and then do the hard work to get it passed. The administration had its hand full already.
So...she did.

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DrToast

(6,414 posts)
22. CFPB: Formed July 21, 2011
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:20 PM
Sep 2019
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Desert Dem

(78 posts)
41. Right. And Elizabeth got it done in the Senate didn't she?
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:48 PM
Sep 2019

I may be mistaken.

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sheshe2

(83,334 posts)
54. She was elected as Senator in 11/6/2012.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 05:25 PM
Sep 2019

She did that before the election.

I voted for her. She accomplished much before:

Elizabeth Warren. She won the general election on November 6, 2012, becoming the first female U.S. Senator from Massachusetts. She was assigned to the Senate Special Committee on Aging; the Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs Committee; and the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee .
Elizabeth Warren - Wikipedia
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Desert Dem

(78 posts)
67. Right!
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 06:28 PM
Sep 2019

She did have the program ready for prime time when it got passed and I believe the Democratic Party knew she was goon kick some republican booty in MA in 2012 election. I think it’s important to give her the credit for the agency because it got passed just before 2012 election. That’s why I think she is so effective. We have been lucky to have her in elective office.

Thanks for refreshing my memory. It’s seems like yesterday but was a long time ago.

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sheshe2

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69. You're welcome, Desert Dem.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 06:49 PM
Sep 2019
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OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
71. You remember incorrectly.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 07:19 PM
Sep 2019

While then-professor Warren had originally suggested the CFPB in 2007, it was Dodd-Frank and the CPA that authorized its creation three years later. It was President Obama who selected her to run the agency, though she never had the opportunity. The Republican Senate was clearly not going to confirm her, so Richard Cordray was chosen as her replacement. It was then that she decided to run for the Senate.

We owe Warren a debt of gratitude for the CFPB, and she owes Obama a similar debt for her national exposure.

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Cha

(295,900 posts)
75. We owe Warren a debt of gratitude for the CFPB, and she owes Obama a similar debt for her national..
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 08:07 PM
Sep 2019
exposure".

Thank you, Oilem
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Bradshaw3

(7,455 posts)
14. As Warren surges, the attacks grow more intense
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:01 PM
Sep 2019

So Politico wasn't a reliable source when it ran negtive stories on Biden but now it is when it has a negative piece on Warren. Some Biden supporters are getting desperate.

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BeyondGeography

(39,280 posts)
23. Seems the best anyone can come up with is name calling
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:26 PM
Sep 2019

Both sides of the aisle.

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Bradshaw3

(7,455 posts)
24. And the name-calling in this article comes from anonymous sources
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:31 PM
Sep 2019

But bashing Warren has become par for the course for some posters on here. Easy to understand why.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
79. Couple that with Jim Cramer saying Wall Street big shots saying she must be stopped.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 08:31 PM
Sep 2019

A lot of dark money has come into play against her as she rises in the polls.

The attacks are going to backfire in the faces of the attackers.

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Bradshaw3

(7,455 posts)
89. I believe you are right
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 09:39 PM
Sep 2019

For all the memes on here trying to portray her as some wild-eyed radical, the fact is voters know they are getting screwed and they want somebody who will fight against the money elites who run this country. Those pigs haven't just had a seat at the table, they have elbowed the rest of us to the floor. And the pigs know she is going to do something about it.

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bigtree

(85,917 posts)
15. that's pretty gossipy
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:03 PM
Sep 2019

...

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Tarheel_Dem

(31,207 posts)
16. I've tried to refrain from attacking Warren b/c she has one supporter here who is very dear to me...
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:04 PM
Sep 2019

and I would never want to offend her, but I can't abide attacks on President Obama, no matter who they come from. I would support her in a heartbeat if she were to win the nomination, but my heart and my money are with Joe Biden. That's all I'll say for the moment.

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fallrey

(36 posts)
46. Critique is not the same as attack
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:56 PM
Sep 2019

Obama wasn't perfect. He was a really good president. He was an historic president. He is a much loved president.

IMO, he was weak on sticking up for everyday people after the crash.

I thought he erred about (not) sufficiently taking on the Russian interference as well.

You can't really mean no criticism is tolerated. That is an untenable position!

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Tarheel_Dem

(31,207 posts)
47. I said what I said, and meant it.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:57 PM
Sep 2019
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Cha

(295,900 posts)
56. Your "opinion". Pres Obama Did Stick up For
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 05:27 PM
Sep 2019

People. He always did.

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Desert grandma

(802 posts)
17. She will never be President
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:06 PM
Sep 2019

There is no way that I can see she takes Wisconsin, Pennsylvania or Michigan. The down to earth working class do not trust her and see her as "an elitist". That's what I have heard from Trump voters I know. They voted for Trump over Clinton who was a much more qualified candidate. They would vote for Biden. Not saying she is not a qualified candidate...I like her BUT we do not win in 2020 without taking these rust belt states which voted Blue before Trump, IMHO. AND GETTING RID OF THE ORANGE BUFFOON IS ALL I CARE ABOUT.

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ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
62. Welcome Back!
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 05:54 PM
Sep 2019

Lots of folks from 2003-2018 showing up to lend support,

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Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
18. From Political Wire-Inside Warren's War With the Obama Team
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:10 PM
Sep 2019

This story is making the rounds https://politicalwire.com/2019/09/12/inside-warrens-war-with-the-obama-team/

“Interviews with more than 50 top officials in the Obama White House and Treasury Department, members of Warren’s inner circle at the time and Warren herself, reveal a far more combative relationship between her and the administration than she discusses on the campaign trail. Tensions between Warren and Obama were palpable to White House aides, even as she reserved her real fury for Geithner and White House National Economic Council Director Larry Summers, whom she regarded as predisposed toward big banks over families struggling to save their homes.”

“The acrimonious differences between Warren and her allies and members of the Obama team led in part to her decision, with prodding from Obama, to leave the administration to run for the Senate rather than continue pursuing the leadership of the CFPB. But they never fully abated and now represent dueling approaches to Democratic economic policymaking, presenting the possibility that the next Democratic president will have ascended to the height of Democratic Party politics in part by bashing the previous one.”
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Bradshaw3

(7,455 posts)
25. Truly pathetic
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:34 PM
Sep 2019

You're replying to your own post with a rehash of what you already posted? Pathetic.

Just stop with the bashing of a Democratic candidate that has anonymous personal attacks. Anyone else would be embarrassed by this.

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fallrey

(36 posts)
50. Spin
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 05:04 PM
Sep 2019

Why should they have gotten along? If they disagreed on policy and each was certain about his or her approach, they would clash. Clinton overlooked the "she's likeable enough" comment, and a lot of other things, but despite all the trashing of Clinton, she really tried hard to get along with other politicians in service of the whole and that worked with her and Obama. Sure, Warren is not the same. So blinking what?

Why is everyone so in love with a particular politician (whomever it might be) that if others have a different view of that person, this becomes a deal breaker? I just don't get it. Don't we care about policies and outcomes?

I do get the love for Obama, but I also remember he had a very tough approach to ensuring his election. He wasn't above the fray at all, really. He just had his calculations about it all, like any politician would.

I am glad Warren isn't a pushover. Egos clashing is ubiquitous in politics as elsewhere. Oh well.

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BeyondGeography

(39,280 posts)
55. As Axelrod says in the article
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 05:26 PM
Sep 2019
“The one thing you need to know about Elizabeth Warren is that you don’t get from Norman, Oklahoma, to where she is right now and take the journey she took without a steel spine and an indefatigability,” Axelrod says.

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Fiendish Thingy

(15,367 posts)
19. Not a problem for me
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:13 PM
Sep 2019

Gietner and Summers needed their asses kicked in a public forum

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
27. In 2009, we were on the verge of a massive depression
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:37 PM
Sep 2019

We were hemorrhaging jobs by the millions each month.

Financial expertise was needed in order to stabilize the markets and prevent an economic nosedive.

President Obama got PROGRESSIVE financial experts who were maligned ONLY BECAUSE they were from wall street.

Now -- if you need financial expertise to prevent a recession, who do you go to?

Certainly not some radical revolutionary who has no idea how the markets function or what can be done to prevent a depression.

Attacking Summers and Geithner was wrong then and it is wrong now. Their actions have kept the economy growing for 10 years until Trump is given a chance to wreck it.

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Cha

(295,900 posts)
30. Solid points.. Thank you.. President Obama
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:40 PM
Sep 2019

and his Team did pull the economy out of the Abyss and kept it growing.. until now the big fat liar trump is taking credit.

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
43. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:53 PM
Sep 2019
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Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
53. I remember this era well
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 05:20 PM
Sep 2019

It was a very scary time. We came very close to a real depression.

Under trump, we now lack the tools to combat even a small recession.

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BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
91. Did their approach address income inequality
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 10:11 PM
Sep 2019

or did it continue to worsen despite the first goal, avoiding collapse due to speculation in the finance sector, being achieved? Take a look at the data and you'll see that this division between the have and have nots worsened to the point where at this point, it's threatening social stability, and even in 2016 the reality of stagnant wages for many workers made it more difficult for Clinton to run on the Obama economic record.

Most of us on this site worked like hell to get the 2009 supermajority, and the economic team was overrepresented by the finance sector, including Summers, one of the architects of the meltdown through Clinton era deregulation. Warren had every reason to think that better consumer protection was needed, and she worked at that issue with determination and a lot of successes.

Meanwhike, banks got Federal Reserve cash at .75% interest. You're right, the monetary system didn't crash, but plenty of households went underwater without a sufficient program directed at consumer debt. Eddie Glaude calls it the Black Great Depression, based on the decimation of home equity in many black communities.

Paul Volcker was a minority voice in the Obama team and he and Warren were appropriately critical of investment banks for risky behavior. We'll never know what the right mix was of strategies - better results may have been possible. And some of the worst results, the loss of housing equity and rising inequality, haven't been addressed to this day.

You paint a much more cut and dried picture of the Geithner-Summers policies than is actually the case.

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
92. That is like asking a doctor who is trying revive a patient
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:02 PM
Sep 2019

in the middle of defibrillating shocks "Did you remember to save the buttons on his shirt when you ripped it off?"

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BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
93. Nah.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:01 AM
Sep 2019

A better metaphor is the prevention of staph infections after hospital admissions. Yes, triage is primary, but if there are other health needs that need to be addressed, you do so if possible. And you definitely consult with a team as soon as the patient is stabilized.

Let's leave oversimplification and binary thinking for Republicans and stay substantive as Democrats. We get better policy that way.

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
94. lol ... lexicographic acrobatics there .. bravo! nt
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 01:04 AM
Sep 2019
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BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
97. Actually, it's substance that you're seeing.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 02:13 PM
Sep 2019

I value and learn from substantive disagreement. Not yet sure if that's something you value, since you seem to ignore statements of substance.

Back to the original topic - didn't the main bipartisan bill to bail out the banks occur before Obama took office? There was still a need for a stimulus package and possibly demand side tax cuts in 2009, along with new legislation regarding bank reserves, demand side tax cuts, interest rates, etc. You recall this context, do you not?

This is where a variety of options for infrastructure investment and mortgage relief could have been considered, and this is where consultation with a wider range of economists would have helped.

Incidentally, as much as we fashion ourselves as supporting growth for working people, including residents of black communities, it seems like there would be consistent interest in how macroeconomic policy (including macroeconomic policy under Democratic administrations) helps or fails to help those populations. I have detected no real interest in these topics in my brief discussions with you. It's high time that this disconnect be grappled with, and IMO, it's one of the lessons from 2016 that is the least attended to.

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BlueMississippi

(776 posts)
37. All Democratic and Republican admins have execs from wall street
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:46 PM
Sep 2019

Not because it is fashionable and not because it irks the ultra left but because they have the necessary expertise to run the economy.

If one needs brain surgery, one goes to a neurosurgeon and not your supermarket meat department manager. The former may be a republican 1%er and the latter might be a working class liberal -- but those are not the criteria that go into that choice.

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Thekaspervote

(32,606 posts)
44. Oh how true! But hey, let's not let those pesky experts have a say. Beginning to sound like a
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:53 PM
Sep 2019

certain weatherman That illegally resides at 1600 Pennsylvania ave

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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,272 posts)
48. Our only remaining choice is clear
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 05:03 PM
Sep 2019
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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
74. This made me spit my coffee on my screen. nt
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 07:57 PM
Sep 2019
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BlueMississippi

(776 posts)
81. Serve is not the right verb. nt
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 08:42 PM
Sep 2019
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peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
51. Thanks for posting this, Gothmog
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 05:05 PM
Sep 2019

I read the article this morning and thought it provided a good reminder of how bad things were economically at the start of Obama's Administration. He really was handed a shit sandwich and remarkably managed to turn it around. Not to everyone's satisfaction, of course. But avoiding another worldwide Great Depression is no small thing. I say this as someone who was critical of President Obama at the time. Amazing how putting things in perspective can change your opinion of a time you actually lived through. But there it is.

For a Politico piece, I found the article fairly-well balanced in profiling big personalities in a time of real crises and turmoil. That's when leadership is really tested. A long but worthwhile read.

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Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
52. The economic meltdown was really scary
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 05:18 PM
Sep 2019

I remember this time very well and the US was very close to a full depression. Even today, this period is called the Great Recession for a reason.

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ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
66. Yeah perspective is a good thing
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 06:06 PM
Sep 2019

Now Politico is your friend? Remember PERSPECTIVE!

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peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
84. Did I say Politico was my friend?
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 09:00 PM
Sep 2019

No, you said that. I don't need you or anyone else to put words in my mouth, thank you very much.

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ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
85. Sure thing Peggy
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 09:17 PM
Sep 2019

Just remember there is a search function on DU.

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mahina

(17,505 posts)
58. Just days after Wall Street determined that she was a threat.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 05:32 PM
Sep 2019
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LudwigPastorius

(8,944 posts)
61. You know Senator Warren is gaining traction when the hit pieces rachet up like this.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 05:48 PM
Sep 2019

Go, Liz!
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Raven123

(4,714 posts)
63. Not taking the bait
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 05:58 PM
Sep 2019

I suspect Politico’s team is enjoying the the fire started by this article (Disclosure: I have only read what is posted here, as I personally believe Politico thrives on such articles and so I stopped following the website some time ago )

I am currently supporting Warren, and will support the Dem nominee in the general election. I reserve the right to change my support in the primaries at any time, but I will make my decision based on what I see from the candidates themselves.

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TheRealNorth

(9,435 posts)
68. Yup
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 06:30 PM
Sep 2019

Politico likes to stir up shit for the web hits.

I agree with some of what she is saying though. In addition to not going after Wall Street for the Great Recession, they could have used the bail out money to bail out home owners instead of the banks. Because they did not, the banks made out like bandits, being able to foreclose on properties at the lowest prices.

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ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
70. Bail out the homeowners
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 07:00 PM
Sep 2019

What a great idea. Didn't happen. We know why.

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blm

(112,920 posts)
77. If they'd adopted her plan, Dems wouldn't have lost Congress in the 2010 election.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 08:11 PM
Sep 2019
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
82. Bailing out honeowners WOULD HAVE helped the banks indirectly.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 08:42 PM
Sep 2019

Who do you think would have gotten the bailout funds used to help honeowners. A similar argument could be used about bailing out student debt holders directly.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
80. Undecided here. But I fully agree with you otherwise. nt
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 08:34 PM
Sep 2019
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obamanut2012

(25,911 posts)
87. +1 hit piece because they are afraid of her
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 09:25 PM
Sep 2019
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kaiserhog

(167 posts)
88. I read the article
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 09:30 PM
Sep 2019

and it made it reinforced my vote for her.

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BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
90. Some of the statements here have the sexist tone
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 09:54 PM
Sep 2019

that was widely criticized when Clinton was running.

Why is it ok now?

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Garrett78

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95. I have a lot of respect for what the Obama Admin. did, but Warren is right on this issue.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 02:20 AM
Sep 2019

If one wants to argue that the nation (or, rather, those who hold the purse strings) wasn't/isn't ready for Warren's point of view on this matter, that's one thing. But Warren's point of view is the correct point of view, IMO. I would bet that Obama actually agrees, but just couldn't bring himself to support her point of view under the circumstances.

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