*******Debate Thread 3********

[MustLoveBeagles]

Thought I'd start another debate thread. The other two are getting a little too long. Have at it everyone.

[awesomerwb1]

1. Jorge Ramos has a massive ego

Obviously doesn't like the front runner.

"Alcalde Pete"? Seriously?

[emmaverybo]

8. You mean Castro?

[TwilightZone]

13. I replied in the wrong spot.

Too much going on!

Yes, my response was intended for a comment in the other thread about Castro's strategy.

[madaboutharry]

5. Well, he knows that Mayor Buttigieg speaks 25 languages!

[awesomerwb1]

10. Hahah yeah but that was lame imo

[IcyPeas]

11. Alcalde - means magistrate or mayor

had to look that up

[awesomerwb1]

19. Yes

I'm fluent in Spanish which is why I thought using "alcalde" and then "congresista" was lame.

Ramos has been re litigating the deportations and "Obama's broken promise" to legalize 11 million people for years and that's why he was having a go at Biden like it was solely his call.

[underpants]

60. Ramos has more pull and influence than everyone you see in English language TV combined.

Cronkite level.

[awesomerwb1]

86. Not really.

What you have seen tonight from him is vastly different from what he's like in his shows in Spanish.

Attacking Biden/ Obama was unnecessary and if what you're saying was true about his influence (not close in my opinion), he certainly didn't help the cause with Hispanics.

I'll move on by saying Ramos has been very aggressive towards Obama in the past because he didn't pass comprehensive immigration like he said he would. Google his interviews.

Big ego.

[pnwpolicy]

197. So you're saying Ramos doesnt have influence

Because he's dissatisfied with Biden's association on an issue his Hispanic audience could find dissatisfying?

[awesomerwb1]

198. lol Maybe try reading my post a few more times

[bdamomma]

3. Thanks good timing

too. There's a commercial.

[elleng]

4. Thanks

[IcyPeas]

6. thanks. oh good a commercial break LOL

[bdamomma]

7. I wish they

would talk about Climate change more.

[Blaukraut]

9. Beto is doing really well tonight. Going to look for a bump in his numbers n/t

[Politicub]

14. I appreciate his no-bullshit approach

His ideas around reducing the number of guns in America are bold and necessary. He didn’t mince words.

[blm]

63. Same here

[jcgoldie]

16. Thats my impression as well

Beto has just been authentic and badass. And its pretty impressive that he owned the gun control issue to the point that every candidate that answered gave him props when they answered it.

[MustLoveBeagles]

17. Yes he is

I'm very happy about that.

[Blaukraut]

20. Me too! I'm back and forth between him and Liz n/t

[DemocracyMouse]

138. I'm still very impressed by Warren. But Beto is almost as cute!

(If not as weighty with experience and economic acumen)

[yellowdogintexas]

183. he is genuinely nice too.

I've been fortunate to meet him several times and I like him more every time.

He has the human touch and then some.

[Bradshaw3]

37. He has moved up to my second choice

Really stepped up his game.

[emmaverybo]

12. Will they ever talk about pressing foreign policy and relations issues or is that something they

cover in future debates?

[elleng]

15. Now

[emmaverybo]

175. Hah. I saw that!

[Celerity]

18. I almost never react like this, but this debate is so stressing me out, it is a shitshow

The only 2 candidates who calm me down are Klobuchar and Pete.

[IcyPeas]

21. I disagree

not a shitshow at all.

[Celerity]

22. opinions will vary, I am only speaking for myself nt

[IcyPeas]

25. I understand. all good

[Celerity]

30. hugz

[Celerity]

55. I think this is what I was trying to say (and it has gotten better)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/live-updates/election-2020/third-democratic-debate-analysis-and-fact-checking/the-insurance-industry-hates-the-public-option-too/

[IcyPeas]

70. she's right

I've had a headache for the past 2 years though

[TwilightZone]

80. Health care is by far the #1 issue, according to voters.

Exit polls made that pretty clear.

I'm not sure spending a lot of time on it, even if a lot of ground is covered again, is necessarily a mistake. Not everyone watches every debate.

[elleng]

24. Right, more time on more substance than most,

no 'time clock.'

[Celerity]

100. yes, it was a snap judgement from the first 30 minutes or so, it has gotten better

[amuse bouche]

26. I agree and it is much better than the last one

[MustLoveBeagles]

28. I think this one is the best of the first three

YMMV

[Peregrine Took]

97. I agree. I had to turn it off and go into another room.

Totally ruined my dinner with stress. Ugh

[Laura PourMeADrink]

186. Agree. It all has a rushed and stressed pace. Would

Like it better if they just had 10 min with each person at a sane pace.

[not_the_one]

187. I am always made uncomfortable when people attack each other...

and like Pete said early on, this is not what Americans want to see.

Acknowledging differences is one thing, but TONE can, unfortunately, outweigh words and negate any positive gained.

[Celerity]

189. +10000

[ecstatic]

23. EW making strong, SMART points on trade. nt

[nolabear]

27. Yes, she was good!

[Ninga]

31. I agree. Savvy, smart, and no nonsense. Nt

[Baitball Blogger]

33. She looks good.

Succinctly gets to the point. If you want someone who is going to go in and shake things up, Elizabeth Warren is on the right track. Let's be fair and include everyone on trade issues.

[at140]

124. If we don't elect EW the next president

get ready for a bigger financial meltdown than in 2008-09 caused by Bush-43.
She is the only candidate on stage who has the experience, knowledge and the fortitude
to undo the damage Trump & his band of republicans have done. We all are going lose big time
in our home values, 401-K's, and bank savings if that meltdown is allowed to occur.

[Baitball Blogger]

162. So true. She's the only one we can trust to protect our investments.

[IcyPeas]

29. Harris mentioned Climate... working with China

[Blaukraut]

32. Bernie and Biden remind me of the two balcony guys on the Muppets.lol

[Blue_true]

168. Geeezzzz. nt

[ecstatic]

34. Great points by Cory about trump turning US into isolationist

country.

[barbtries]

35. switched my preference again.

still in reality support Warren, but there are so many others catching my eye and my heart. today, it's Beto.

But Booker is speaking and damn. I really like him too. Bringing up climate change, which has not been discussed enough.

[elleng]

38. Cory Booker is a jewel.

[barbtries]

83. he is.

i also like Castro and Harris and did like Inslee. #Warren2020 is my preferred choice and I really believe she can win.

of course i was among the blindsided many on 08Nov2019

[sprinkleeninow]

192. I concur strongly! eom

[Blaukraut]

40. DU should give us three or four slots for preference n/t

[TwilightZone]

65. They could do ranked voting.

The results could be pretty interesting.

[DavidDvorkin]

67. I'd like that.

[Blaukraut]

69. Great idea!

[MustLoveBeagles]

71. I wish they would

[Celerity]

94. so much this!!!!

[barbtries]

76. i could fill 4 easily.

i like that idea.

[Blaukraut]

93. We should do like Game of Thrones and have a 5 person council instead of 1 prez.

[BlueIdaho]

36. I can't watch - a question if you please...

Has anyone attacked Trump yet or are we still only bashing fellow Democrats?

[Blaukraut]

39. Harris definitely went after him. Others some. n/t

[IcyPeas]

42. Mayor Pete too went after trump, nicely.

[BlueIdaho]

45. Thanks - it's about damn time!

[nolabear]

43. Not much bashing at all, except a really crappy one by Castro.

I’m sure it’ll get plenty of play.

[BlueIdaho]

50. Interesting... nt

[TwilightZone]

44. Yes, several of them have made comments re: Trump.

Not a lot of Dem bashing going on other than Castro going after Biden.

[BlueIdaho]

54. Thanks! nt.

[amuse bouche]

47. I don't see them bashing fellow dems and yes they have attacked the Reality Show Clown

[BlueIdaho]

53. Good to hear - thank you. nt.

[amuse bouche]

78. I am enjoying this debate. The last one stressed me out

Between attacking Obama and offering free health care to millions of undocumented people, I thought they were trying to give trump the election

Big improvement this time around

[BlueIdaho]

82. Great to hear! Thanks!

[sprinkleeninow]

191. I feel they will up the volume in their attacks in forthcoming debates. eom

[On the orange menace, that is.]

[MustLoveBeagles]

74. Beto called him a white supremacist

[BlueIdaho]

79. Finally! Thanks.

[Lucid Dreamer]

41. Sanders: [Trade policies] cost 4 billion jobs.

Where did that figure come from?

[SamKnause]

49. I think he meant millions.

[Lucid Dreamer]

62. That makes more sense.

I'll chalk it up to innocent error.

[TwilightZone]

56. I think it's million, not billion.

And it might have come from a study reported by Vox in 2016:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/9/21/12993074/trump-trade-4-million-jobs

I haven't seen anything else with those kinds of numbers, though I admit that my search was a quick one. Lots of reports about the tariffs potentially costing 300k-1m jobs in the near future.

[Raven123]

46. Unsurprisingly, the candidates have variable strengths on the issues

Glad to hear them have chances to show their strengths.

Love hearing Harris laugh. The issues are serious and important, but there is often room to lighten up a bit in these tense times.

[BeyondGeography]

48. Excellent answer on Afghanistan by Warren

[Ninga]

58. Her answer speaks to the scope of her knowledge. She weaves important dynamics into each

of her answers.

[IcyPeas]

51. Mayor Pete can answer this question the best

endless wars...

don't start them to begin with!!!!

[napi21]

59. That was a great response! n/t

[Ninga]

52. Sen Warren has not disappointed me. Smart, savvy, knowledagble, gets it. Nt

[ecstatic]

57. Kudos to Pete for bringing up the military stops to trump's Scotland resort! nt

[Celerity]

95. +1

[MustLoveBeagles]

99. +1

[BeyondGeography]

61. Joe hopelessly meandering on Iraq

You don’t want to see a transcript of that answer if you’re a Biden fan.

[Raven123]

68. I agree. Joe knows more about this issue than most people want to hear. Needs to be concise.

[nolabear]

64. Joe is dispelling those trolling rumors re his age and abilities.

He’s Joe, and Joe’s really good.

[Bradshaw3]

73. Not with that answer on Iraq

It was meandering and trying to cover too many bases while not explaining coherently (again) what he said and did. Bernie wasn't much better when he followed.

[Blaukraut]

81. He talked over the heads of normal viewers with inside details

Needed to slim it down a little.

[Bradshaw3]

104. Inside details on about four different topics

In a minute's time. Slim it down to one or two, it might have worked.

[jcgoldie]

77. I disagree

Joe has a lot of relevant experience and he's an awesome character... the clear answers to the questions are somehow not within his reach.

[Thekaspervote]

179. Agree! He's been on fire. His knowledge and experience on Foreign policy is far superior to any of

The other candidates!!

[Blaukraut]

66. Good answer by Bernie! He could just use his indoor voice.

[Peregrine Took]

102. Bernie is so passionate about the issues, he can barely contain himself. n/t

[emmaverybo]

72. Great question--what makes YOU the most qualified to be commander in chief? Obviously, Yang

is not the most qualified,

[Blaukraut]

75. If he gives me a grand a month, I'll call him qualified :D

[emmaverybo]

90. LOL!

[Celerity]

98. lolol

[MustLoveBeagles]

106. I think you've won the thread

[Blue_true]

172. Not sure that I would, but

[BeyondGeography]

84. Booker has such a great sense of humor

[tblue37]

154. For humor I like Stephanopoulos 's response to Harris's dig about the "powerful" Wizard of Oz

being just a small man when they looked behind the curtain.

[IcyPeas]

85. Cory is a vegan

that was funny. and in Spanish "no"

[madaboutharry]

88. He is very likable.

He is also very smart. I am surprised he isn't doing better in the polls.

[IcyPeas]

91. I like him too. I don't see him as President though

but then, again, I'm undecided. LOL

[ecstatic]

87. OK, it's time for Jorge to be removed from the panel.

Should Americans go Vegan?

Really?

[emmaverybo]

92. He is annoying. Just an irritant.

[emmaverybo]

96. Beto having a good night. But I don't see the needle moving tonite. So far...

[ecstatic]

103. I agree! nt

[lunasun]

110. Even the U.N. has discussed it .

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49238749
Switching to a plant-based diet can help fight climate change, UN experts have said.
A major report on land use and climate change says the West's high consumption of meat and dairy produce is fuelling global warming.

[Beartracks]

195. Lol I thought you meant the U.N. has discussed removing Jorge from the panel.

Going just by thread titles...

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[Blaukraut]

89. Finally Climate Change!

[Blaukraut]

101. Warren gets to the bottom line of the problem every time: Money and the corruption that goes with it

[Ninga]

108. Her frames are excellent. Every answer, ever time. Nt

[StevieM]

125. Not quite. There is another major factor involved.

Watch this.

[Blaukraut]

128. Liz has the Dick Factor handled, too. n/t

[NCLefty]

105. Bernie's voice sounds rough as hell.

Ouch.

[emmaverybo]

111. Laryngitis. Some of them misuse their voices. They take the voice right off the vocal chords

instead of doing diaphragmic breathing. My ears hurt for them.

[BeyondGeography]

107. Do the 100 Democracy $'s come out of my $1k/ mo?

[Blaukraut]

120. that's only 2 bucks a month. You can handle it!

[BeyondGeography]

123. Phew

Thanks man.

[IcyPeas]

109. I know this is in Houston but...

are they at a college? the audience is very vocal. Where are they exactly?

[TwilightZone]

113. Texas Southern University

[IcyPeas]

116. thank you

[Beartracks]

194. Someone commented about 2000 of the students were in the audience. Or...

... slightly more than the number of people at Trump's inauguration.

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[elleng]

115. Texas Southern

is a public historically black university (HBCU) in Houston, Texas. The university is one of the largest and most comprehensive HBCUs in the nation with over 10,000 students enrolled and over 100 academic programs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Southern_University

[yellowdogintexas]

185. I know 3 attorneys who attended the Thurgood Marshall School of Law nt

[IcyPeas]

112. take That Betsy Devos

[Rhiannon12866]

119. +1000!

[IcyPeas]

122. I loved that... give someone the job who has actually been a teacher

[emmaverybo]

114. Do they mean it when they call time?! Use a buzzer, damn it.

[elleng]

121. Sorry, conversations happening.

[BeyondGeography]

117. Excellent by Harris on impact of black teachers

[Rhiannon12866]

142. All young kids could benefit from having a black or minority teacher in the early grades

It could benefit them by exposing them to a different perspective. When I was a kid in school, my Sunday School teacher was a knowledgeable and very nice black lady, though I didn't know about minorities at that point in life, I lived in a fairly diverse community. And my mother was particularly friendly with my teacher since she was also a Sunday School teacher, taught the youngest kids and my teacher's little boy was in her class. I'm not saying that minorities in my community didn't face prejudice, but to me they were just a nice family that I knew.

[IcyPeas]

118. $60,000 wont get you a one bedroom apartment in some big cities

[not_the_one]

188. Really! Double it.

120K would be a good start.

[tishaLA]

126. "Have the record player on at night?

Ummmm.

[brooklynite]

129. Why are you "bashing"?

[Fiendish Thingy]

136. I laughed out loud at that one

He was hopscotching from one partially formed thought to the next and not making any sense.

[nolabear]

137. I know what he meant but he said it badly.

Kids in impoverished families are exposed to far less language and cultural norms than those with more resources. Having access to radio, music, tv, etc. is actually better when parents can’t engage.

He took off with it and didn’t make the point at all well though.

[Alliepoo]

140. Vinyl and turntables aka record players are back--

[Blaukraut]

146. He could have at least used 8 tracks n/t

[TwilightZone]

165. Record players are back in a big way.

Have been for a while now. And record stores.

[lunasun]

170. Shout out to random young parents who may be vinyl enthusiasts but yeah ummm if he

also sez pocketbook tonight I will have to sigh

[demmiblue]

127. Oh my!

[nolabear]

130. LOL! Joe got the bit in his teeth. Not his best moment but I get the frustration.

[Fiendish Thingy]

131. Biden is rambling incoherently

Jumping from education to Venezuela, to who knows what...

Not a good night for Joe.

[brooklynite]

132. 538: "Our transcript writers are working double time trying to untangle that last Biden soliloquy."

[elleng]

141. History is difficult to explain briefly,

even in a relatively loose forum.

[emulatorloo]

163. Well said.

[BeyondGeography]

135. Repeatedly...This is our best option?

Word salads galore. He has been among the worst performers on the stage.

[Fiendish Thingy]

150. I've been very impressed by everyone except Biden and Yang

We have a strong "A"team

[BeyondGeography]

155. Me too

[onetexan]

199. You're entitled to your opinion. I'd like to see Elizabeth explain how she'd fund medicare for all.

She certainly didn't do a good job last night. Joe creamed her and Bernie on that last night.

[nolabear]

143. That was weird, but he's had a good night actually.

[jcgoldie]

151. No he hasn't

[Thekaspervote]

182. Yes, indeed he's had a really good night!

[demmiblue]

173. I feel bad for him... it was just so uncomfortable.

[Thekaspervote]

180. Joe is really on fire. Did well against Castro's digs

[Funtatlaguy]

133. Booker just said dangnabbit. Lol.

[Lefta Dissenter]

139. LOL,

I came here just to make that comment, but you beat me to it.

I sure like him.

[Kitchari]

148. Gol-durn them varmints n/t

[floppyboo]

190. cory said lots of good stuff! Great night for him!

[tarheelsunc]

134. Glad Biden called the moderators out on not enforcing time limits. eom

[dweller]

144. Cory Booker needs a badass mustache

"dagnabbit"



✌🏼

[sprinkleeninow]

193. Ooh, yas! eom

[mtngirl47]

145. I don't like the accusatory questions from the ABC people

I also don't like their right wing talking points when questioning the candidates.

Ditch the "journalists" and take questions from real people

[Funtatlaguy]

147. Ditto

[yaesu]

149. when the bankster commercials come on i start to channel surf. nt

[EveHammond13]

152. this debate is covering a lot of good policy grounds - despite many stupid questions from mods

[IcyPeas]

153. who are the protesters?

[EveHammond13]

158. derps.

[brooklynite]

159. And why did they wait 2 1/2 hours to strike?

[CousinIT]

160. Dunno - wish they'd get lost and shut up. n/t

[Lefta Dissenter]

161. Jerks? (N/t)

[Beartracks]

196. I couldn't understand what they were shouting.

I guess I won't be supporting their mystery cause.

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[MustLoveBeagles]

156. Who's yelling?

[Doreen]

157. What did those protesters say to Biden?

[IcyPeas]

166. E. Warren lined up her dollies to teach them.

I love that line.

[nolabear]

167. They're all getting tired. I don't blame them.

What a slog!

[IcyPeas]

169. it's exhausting, but good practice

for those 3 am phone calls.

I bet they all go home and wish they had said this or that. they so want to get to say their points.

[NCLefty]

171. The protesters gave Biden a lot more time to think of an answer.

GJ! :p

[Blaukraut]

174. As a mom and grandma, I love Klobuchar's closing statement n/t

[elleng]

176. She's great.

[IcyPeas]

178. I don't think new mothers

get kicked out of hospitals so soon after birth in other countries. (I may be wrong)

I also liked her statement.

[Celerity]

177. lol

Link to tweet

[IcyPeas]

181. thanks for starting this thread MustLoveBeagles

[MustLoveBeagles]

184. Your welcome