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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

Sparkly

(24,167 posts)
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:27 PM Sep 2019

Why is Biden in the lead?

I hear it's because he's viewed as the safest bet to beat Trump. He has the gravitas of having served as President Obama's VP. He's got decades and decades of experience.

But he has never been a great -- or even a good -- retail politician, as many times as he's tried, and now he is far, far worse. Set aside the long history that the RNC would love to turn into juicy campaign ads and smears, this is simply NOT our best candidate, by any measure.

Can we just admit that many of his answers were virtually incoherent?? (Radios and record players, as just one example?) I know what he was trying to say, but he is not able to say it.

Debates should matter. This is our party's time to decide. (Or, our party in the three early states -- the rest seem to follow suit.) My state is late, but I support candidates in the process.

In my undecided opinion, three of tonight's ten are now X'd out: Biden, Bernie, and Yang.

I have some favorites among the other seven -- I get emails and contribute to three -- but actually I'd be very excited to support and campaign for any one of them.

I just don't get why Biden is on the top of any list except the "ruled out" list. He's a great guy, and was a fine VP; this is just my personal opinion of his candidacy for potus. It astonishes me, seeing his performance tonight, that all the criticism and commentary is about the people who may have gone against him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Why is Biden in the lead? (Original Post) Sparkly Sep 2019 OP
I trust his values and he is the best at restoring our relationship with allies. EveHammond13 Sep 2019 #1
Any reason not to trust the others Sparkly Sep 2019 #7
Because more people like him than like the others? The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2019 #2
Kinda tautological, but I like him, too. Sparkly Sep 2019 #12
But if most people like him they'll vote for him and he'll win. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2019 #25
Because "liking" isn't enough. Sparkly Sep 2019 #69
Compared to Trump? The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2019 #80
Since you're so worried about what the scary RNC might John Fante Sep 2019 #88
And it will be ANYBODY BUT WARREN TOO...The difference is Joe has ties to and can win the moderate Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #152
Biden's broken record moment BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #3
Just like after every debate NYMinute Sep 2019 #9
It's a transcript, not a knife BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #13
Transcript spun with bad editorializing nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #18
Yep. awesomerwb1 Sep 2019 #29
So you like that answer on its own? BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #32
Right... Sparkly Sep 2019 #20
The Iraq answer was almost as bad BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #26
cf ewarren crazytown Sep 2019 #21
And lost in that word salad is a tired 80s-era respectability policy as well. Embarrassing. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2019 #22
Was it you touting the Great Julin Castro? OilemFirchen Sep 2019 #40
Yeah, that was sarcasm BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #48
Yikes. nt Tipperary Sep 2019 #67
Biden has empathy ... like Obama and Clinton before him NYMinute Sep 2019 #4
yep. read any cognitive science and you will learn that this is what people vote on. EveHammond13 Sep 2019 #8
I agree PatSeg Sep 2019 #75
Beto just gave a great answer to Chris Matthews EveHammond13 Sep 2019 #10
Julian did a self-immolation tonight nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #17
I believe he drops out soon. Yang will hang around as a side-show. nt Blue_true Sep 2019 #55
Yes, And agree about Beto, emmaverybo Sep 2019 #39
Some people think he has empathy... OrwellwasRight Sep 2019 #102
BS supporters never see the good in other candidates nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #106
Hmmm, that's not judgmental at all. OrwellwasRight Sep 2019 #107
Joe Biden is the most electable candidate that the party has available Gothmog Sep 2019 #109
Yep ... nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #110
pushing us into war with iraq was far from the right thing questionseverything Sep 2019 #153
oh brother .. not this again NYMinute Sep 2019 #154
GOP will have a very hard time smearing him as "socialist" - takes a big weapon away from GOP. EveHammond13 Sep 2019 #5
There are other candidates who can claim that Sparkly Sep 2019 #24
Yes, but, unfortunately, they all poll so poorly (ATM) with my fellow PoC, who are the kingmakers Celerity Sep 2019 #53
Hence my question. Sparkly Sep 2019 #59
Obama, 90% of it is his link to President Obama Celerity Sep 2019 #82
I must be in another universe. Sparkly Sep 2019 #91
The number one overarching issue is defeating Rump in the general. Until Biden looses that mantle Celerity Sep 2019 #99
ITA True_Blue Sep 2019 #157
That won't stop them. FoxNewsSucks Sep 2019 #30
It won't work with Joe. Bernie wears the moniker unabashedly. redstateblues Sep 2019 #86
Lolololol JonAndKatePlusABird Sep 2019 #113
I trust Biden to build the greatest cabinet and executive team EveHammond13 Sep 2019 #6
Above all others? Why? Sparkly Sep 2019 #33
EveHammond13 likes him bigtree Sep 2019 #11
well, I'm sorry your candidate is not doing well but that is not my fault. EveHammond13 Sep 2019 #16
I work retail bigtree Sep 2019 #34
She did very well in the debate. Tipperary Sep 2019 #76
Name recognition mysteryowl Sep 2019 #14
Bingo Quixote1818 Sep 2019 #28
Ha! mysteryowl Sep 2019 #68
Sanders has same level name recognition JI7 Sep 2019 #101
Not at all. I'm willing to bet that there are many voters who can't name their own senators Rhiannon12866 Sep 2019 #132
he ran for president in 2016 , that's how he got higher name recognition JI7 Sep 2019 #134
Sanders' name recognition is nearly 100%. TwilightZone Sep 2019 #136
They think he will get the job done. Big Blue Marble Sep 2019 #15
Why do they think that?? Sparkly Sep 2019 #37
Most of them probably don't watch the debates. Big Blue Marble Sep 2019 #79
Probably most polled have not seen the debates. And that worries me. thesquanderer Sep 2019 #141
Trust . . . Iliyah Sep 2019 #19
I will vote for any Democrat saljr1 Sep 2019 #23
I'm just living in reality... Sparkly Sep 2019 #38
He's got a message. They just got "plans." For instance, he has framed this election in its emmaverybo Sep 2019 #51
People look at Trump and see a 70 year old who is obviously evil and demented. world wide wally Sep 2019 #27
+100 Duppers Sep 2019 #98
Because we have had enough of a president who is going to 'shake things up'? GulfCoast66 Sep 2019 #31
Have you noticed Sparkly Sep 2019 #41
No. I have not. Is he Obama? Of course not. But who is? GulfCoast66 Sep 2019 #47
Is he equal to ANY of the other candidates on the stage?!? Sparkly Sep 2019 #52
IMO, it is the IDEA of Biden, VP to Obama, that gives people a sense of comfort Blaukraut Sep 2019 #35
I agree, policy-wise. Sparkly Sep 2019 #43
I don't know, but I expected more sharpness. I'll give him a couple more debates. Blaukraut Sep 2019 #63
There were a lot of better options on that stage tonight IMO BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #46
This. Tipperary Sep 2019 #72
Warren needs to prove she can win the rust belt back. As it is, she is tied with Trump redstateblues Sep 2019 #95
When in doubt, brandish a meaningless poll BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #97
Warren polls pretty well against Trump in rust belt. thesquanderer Sep 2019 #137
Most job-specific qualified, experienced, and knowledgeable in the field. Also one of America's emmaverybo Sep 2019 #36
Reasons for him to be a good president. Sparkly Sep 2019 #50
I thought we should pick the guy who will make the best prez, and the guy who will is ahead in the emmaverybo Sep 2019 #65
Former union members in the mid west don't want to hear from "pointy headed applegrove Sep 2019 #42
Nonsense jcgoldie Sep 2019 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar Sep 2019 #66
In the mid west obama voters did vote for Trump in numbers big enough to give them applegrove Sep 2019 #73
I live in the midwest and belong to a union and so do both of my brothers jcgoldie Sep 2019 #77
Former union members. People who feel financial anxiety because they lost good jobs. applegrove Sep 2019 #84
Pure speculation ChubbyStar Sep 2019 #90
Was a book that went into regression analysis about how people in financial anxiety applegrove Sep 2019 #96
Uhm jcgoldie Sep 2019 #116
Yep! Thanks for coming back to this convo ChubbyStar Sep 2019 #118
The obama then trump voters were former union people from the midwest. applegrove Sep 2019 #122
Looks to me like the union memeber from the midwest wanted some facts about your claim ChubbyStar Sep 2019 #147
Read the book i reccommend. applegrove Sep 2019 #148
Please YOU made the claim here on DU ChubbyStar Sep 2019 #149
Read all the way down. There were 6 million of the type who are up for grabs. applegrove Sep 2019 #150
Here is some background. Anyone can be fooled. People default to thinking applegrove Sep 2019 #151
You should consider self-deleting BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #61
I should have put it in applegrove Sep 2019 #92
Obama is an intellectual. Sparkly Sep 2019 #62
Obama was cool. And careful. I'm not saying it is right to vote that way. applegrove Sep 2019 #87
Post removed Post removed Sep 2019 #44
Well, finally someone said it. emmaverybo Sep 2019 #54
But he isn't the only one in that category, if that's your flavor. Sparkly Sep 2019 #64
Even Biden's plans will be DOA in the Senate. So talk - no matter who does it - is cheap. Blaukraut Sep 2019 #70
Biden won't push to end the filibuster BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #83
Truth! n/t Blaukraut Sep 2019 #85
I'm right there with you. Bleacher Creature Sep 2019 #45
because he is perceived as the best bet to beat the orange bloat and we need to beat Rump nt Celerity Sep 2019 #49
Why do you knock out Bernie? HelpImSurrounded Sep 2019 #57
I think people also know what Joe is like and how he would govern because he was VP. napi21 Sep 2019 #58
Nevertheless, as a candidate Sparkly Sep 2019 #60
He makes sense. A few wording glitches now and then. Warren pontificates like she's in a lecture emmaverybo Sep 2019 #71
And you think that will get by Trump? Sparkly Sep 2019 #78
You don't seem to want answers, just opportunities to tear other DU'ers down emulatorloo Sep 2019 #74
I am honestly trying to understand why Sparkly Sep 2019 #81
I think Biden in spite of his gaffes comes across as a decent, caring person katmondoo Sep 2019 #89
But so do many others, no? Sparkly Sep 2019 #93
Yes, very humble as well - that plays well in a Trump fatigue era Alhena Sep 2019 #94
Likeable. Experienced. Dignified. Honest. Working class. Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #100
Sour grapes OP? nt BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #103
Joe Biden's appeal actually isn't a mystery Gothmog Sep 2019 #104
Experience, genuine personality, Obama Bradical79 Sep 2019 #105
Biden is by far WON the healthcare debate tonight AlexSFCA Sep 2019 #108
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Sep 2019 #111
Noun, Verb, Obama. n/t MarcA Sep 2019 #112
That is cruelly good BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #115
Biden has actually been one step away from the Presidency. forgotmylogin Sep 2019 #114
I wasn't a fan of Hillary until her term as SoS. RhodeIslandOne Sep 2019 #117
Name recognition and Barack Obama. Pre-Obama, Biden was not considered pres. material. Garrett78 Sep 2019 #119
You misunderstand how valuable name recognition is. Everyone knows him, and he didn't shit the bed NCLefty Sep 2019 #120
Watching tonight, I saw something I hadn't noticed before ... charisma. YOHABLO Sep 2019 #121
Sanders supporter in 2016, but the Dem party wanted Clinton cliffside Sep 2019 #123
Biden hooked me with his opening ad featuring Charlottesville. He really gets it. ... Hekate Sep 2019 #124
you seem very concerned ! stonecutter357 Sep 2019 #125
Doesn't he though. Starts off with a preamble bashing Biden, "and telling us how bad he is", then still_one Sep 2019 #127
Beto would be leading if he had more experience . JI7 Sep 2019 #126
On what basis do you make that speculation? If you subscribe to that, then aren't you implying that still_one Sep 2019 #129
no, Biden has more experience so i can see why people would support him over Beto JI7 Sep 2019 #130
Of course we all have our opinions, I just think it is way too early in the primary still_one Sep 2019 #131
Biden would be 82 at the end of his first term Martin Eden Sep 2019 #128
Count me in as ageist also. I want a strong 2 term candidate and neither Biden or Sanders are it. seaglass Sep 2019 #133
+1 Martin Eden Sep 2019 #144
Let him serve for one term. IluvPitties Sep 2019 #145
"Radios and record players" TwilightZone Sep 2019 #135
They are only irrelevant... jcgoldie Sep 2019 #138
The pendulum swings... BlueIdaho Sep 2019 #139
He has substantial African-American support customerserviceguy Sep 2019 #140
Who cares why he's in the lead? coeur_de_lion Sep 2019 #142
He is currently polling in the high 40s in SC SCantiGOP Sep 2019 #143
I think DUers are where the country will be - if and when they pay attention. bloom Sep 2019 #146
Biden is not in the lead but just the favorite of those polled. elocs Sep 2019 #155
"Debates should matter..." Um, no. PAMod Sep 2019 #156
 

EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
1. I trust his values and he is the best at restoring our relationship with allies.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:28 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Sparkly

(24,167 posts)
7. Any reason not to trust the others
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:32 PM
Sep 2019

or not to believe in their abilities to establish diplomatic relationships with allies? (Not really rocket science for a Democrat.)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(116,643 posts)
2. Because more people like him than like the others?
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:31 PM
Sep 2019

That's a tautological answer, obviously, but there it is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sparkly

(24,167 posts)
12. Kinda tautological, but I like him, too.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:34 PM
Sep 2019

I just think he's a really weak choice as our Democratic Nominee in 2020.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(116,643 posts)
25. But if most people like him they'll vote for him and he'll win.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:40 PM
Sep 2019

How can the candidate that people like the best possibly be a weak candidate? That's the very definition of a strong candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sparkly

(24,167 posts)
69. Because "liking" isn't enough.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:05 AM
Sep 2019

There are many things stronger than liking, especially "BOO!"

A campaign that shows him to be weak, indecisive, unfocused, senile, whatever the RNC wants to say (we've seen it all in the past few decades) will turn "liking Biden" into "ANYBODY BUT BIDEN!!!" in a heartbeat.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
88. Since you're so worried about what the scary RNC might
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:25 AM
Sep 2019

say, here's a list of democratic candidates they WON'T launch a massive smear campaign against:









If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(69,100 posts)
152. And it will be ANYBODY BUT WARREN TOO...The difference is Joe has ties to and can win the moderate
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 08:50 PM
Sep 2019

states. He is not senile either...very bad thing to say about a Democrat. He can win PA, MI and WI...without which Trump loses. Joe is a good guy and will be ready on day one as he was a big part of Pres. Obama's administration. I don't see how people don't want him as the nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeyondGeography

(39,438 posts)
3. Biden's broken record moment
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:31 PM
Sep 2019
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/bidens-broken-record-moment/597994/

...Look, there's institutional segregation in this country. And from the time I got involved, I started dealing with that. Red lining, banks, making sure we are in a position where—look, you talk about education. I propose that what we take is those very poor schools, the Title I schools, triple the amount of money we spend from $15 to $45 billion a year. Give every single teacher a raise to the equal raise of getting out of the $60,000 level. Number two, make sure that we bring in to help the teachers deal with the problems that come from home. We need, we have one school psychologist for every 1,500 kids in America today. It's crazy. the teachers are—i'm married to a teacher, my deceased wife is a teacher. They have every problem coming to them. We have to make sure that every single child does, in fact, have 3-, 4-, and 5-year-olds go to school—school, not daycare, school. We bring social workers into homes with parents to help them deal with how to raise their children. It's not want they don't want to help, they don't know quite what to do. Play the radio, make sure the television— excuse me, make sure you have the record player on at night, the phone—make sure that kids hear words, a kid coming from a very poor school—a very poor background will hear 4 million words fewer spoken by the time they get there.

That’s a word salad even Sarah Palin would have hesitated to serve...

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/bidens-broken-record-moment/597994/


But, yeah, his best debate yet...As one of the CNN pundits said, I wish the bar for the front runner was higher.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
9. Just like after every debate
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:33 PM
Sep 2019

knives are out for Biden to spin him as a loser.

Fortunately, the knives are blunt and fragile -- more likely to harm the one who wields them than the target.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeyondGeography

(39,438 posts)
13. It's a transcript, not a knife
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:35 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
18. Transcript spun with bad editorializing nt
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:36 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeyondGeography

(39,438 posts)
32. So you like that answer on its own?
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:43 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Sparkly

(24,167 posts)
20. Right...
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:37 PM
Sep 2019

And that was only one example.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeyondGeography

(39,438 posts)
26. The Iraq answer was almost as bad
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:40 PM
Sep 2019

I missed the beginning when he was obviously sharper, but he faded big time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
21. cf ewarren
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:38 PM
Sep 2019

I will appoint public school teacher as Secretary of Education.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,740 posts)
22. And lost in that word salad is a tired 80s-era respectability policy as well. Embarrassing.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:40 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
40. Was it you touting the Great Julin Castro?
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:47 PM
Sep 2019

Forgive me if I'm mistaken. Many posters here sound alike.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeyondGeography

(39,438 posts)
48. Yeah, that was sarcasm
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:51 PM
Sep 2019

In relation to Biden’s deer in the headlights moment on deportations.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
4. Biden has empathy ... like Obama and Clinton before him
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:31 PM
Sep 2019

Biden is authentic. Biden is a decent human being. One can trust Biden to always do the right thing.

Those qualities are all one needs.

Beto has the very same qualities sans the experience.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
8. yep. read any cognitive science and you will learn that this is what people vote on.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:33 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

PatSeg

(48,462 posts)
75. I agree
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:11 AM
Sep 2019

The differences in policy are very small among the candidates. People are going to go with the one(s) that they trust and feel is authentic. If someone comes across as phony, too political, or mean-spirited, they will lose votes.

We have some excellent choices this election. We have no room to complain.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
10. Beto just gave a great answer to Chris Matthews
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:34 PM
Sep 2019

Asked if it was fair for Julian to go after Biden like that? Beto: No. I didn't like that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
17. Julian did a self-immolation tonight nt
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:35 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
55. I believe he drops out soon. Yang will hang around as a side-show. nt
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:55 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,146 posts)
39. Yes, And agree about Beto,
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:46 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
102. Some people think he has empathy...
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:58 AM
Sep 2019

I don't see enough of it to view him as the best Democratic candidate, unless you count empathy for banks and credit card companies.

But what do I know? I didn't find Gore wooden or Dukakis silly. I'm clearly not your average voter. Nor am I swayed by media repetition of memes like "Kerry is aloof" and "Biden is the most electable."

I'll decide who is electable once someone has been elected.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
106. BS supporters never see the good in other candidates nt
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 01:02 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
107. Hmmm, that's not judgmental at all.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 01:05 AM
Sep 2019

I've donated to 4 Democratic candidates so far. So I must have given to at least 3 that I don't see any good in. Boy, I must be an idiot.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(147,501 posts)
109. Joe Biden is the most electable candidate that the party has available
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 01:06 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

questionseverything

(9,712 posts)
153. pushing us into war with iraq was far from the right thing
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:36 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
154. oh brother .. not this again
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 11:06 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
5. GOP will have a very hard time smearing him as "socialist" - takes a big weapon away from GOP.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:32 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Sparkly

(24,167 posts)
24. There are other candidates who can claim that
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:40 PM
Sep 2019

and yet speak in complete sentences, without a long record of controversial positions.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(44,575 posts)
53. Yes, but, unfortunately, they all poll so poorly (ATM) with my fellow PoC, who are the kingmakers
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:55 PM
Sep 2019

in our primary system.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sparkly

(24,167 posts)
59. Hence my question.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:57 PM
Sep 2019

What's so special about Biden? Why on earth is he polling so well, while he is speaking so incredibly poorly??

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(44,575 posts)
82. Obama, 90% of it is his link to President Obama
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:16 AM
Sep 2019

It certainly is not his Senatorial record.

I agree, it is frustrating, look at who I support (if we are comparing speaking, big picture comprehensive vision, and explanatory abilities.) But after the chaos and hate of Rump, so many just want a 'nice' persona who appears empathetic and who has experience.

IF Harris had went for the centre lane from the start (instead of an initial hard left tack into the lane dominated by Bernie and Warren) she would be much more viable as an Option B in the space Biden is occupying. She is trying to incrementally slide back there, but it takes time and can make her look unfocused.

My big hope is Biden picks Abrams as VP, as I do not see him as 100% being up to a full 8 years, and that places her as the front-runner for 2024 or 2028. I would put Harris in there too, IF she can focus her overall positioning. Risk-adverse Biden will not pick Pete, as the endemic homophobia (and the SB cop issues, especially that shooting) in our community is a no-go for Joe to risk black support and turnout over. I hate that, it hurts my core being (as I am a mixed race lesbian) but it is the reality of the times still, especially with older blacks, and also the fundie xian ones.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sparkly

(24,167 posts)
91. I must be in another universe.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:26 AM
Sep 2019

I still don't see it.

In the lens of "Biden-vision," Harris did something wrong, Castro did something wrong, etc. -- but actually they're all on equal footing and there's no reason to be thinking about Biden's VP pick!

There are many "nice" personas out there -- Booker, Klobuchar, Buttigieg, O'Rourke, they've stayed friendly, if that's the issue.

I just think the support of Biden is odd, misplaced, and NOT in our best interest.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(44,575 posts)
99. The number one overarching issue is defeating Rump in the general. Until Biden looses that mantle
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:39 AM
Sep 2019

(and I do not see it all so far) the nominations is his to lose. If we could insert any of the 25 plus candidates who have so far announced (some are already out) would he be my first choice? NO, not even close, as many would make better POTUS's IMHO, but elections (and life itself) do not work that way. I am nothing if not a pragmatic realist, despite my young age, when it comes to US politics, especially after 40 plus years of systemic RW shift via Rethug gerrymandering and quasi-scientific voter suppression.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

True_Blue

(3,063 posts)
157. ITA
Sat Sep 14, 2019, 12:20 PM
Sep 2019

Biden was so bad in the last debate that I'm deeply concerned about him in a debate with Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

FoxNewsSucks

(10,490 posts)
30. That won't stop them.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:42 PM
Sep 2019

They'll scream "socialist" all over the Fox "news" Sewer and AM hate radio. Every day. No matter who gets the nomination. And the slack-jawed booger-eaters who voted for tRump will believe it no matter who.

Remember, they called Kerry the "most liberal" member of the Senate in 2004. In 2008 Obama was the "most liberal" Senator. Neither one was, but that didn't stop the rightwing noise machine then and the truth won't stop it now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
86. It won't work with Joe. Bernie wears the moniker unabashedly.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:25 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 
113. Lolololol
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 01:24 AM
Sep 2019

Not like we’re up against a 24x7x365 propaganda network or anything. And they’re totally not gonna just make up random shit or anything.....

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
6. I trust Biden to build the greatest cabinet and executive team
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:32 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Sparkly

(24,167 posts)
33. Above all others? Why?
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:43 PM
Sep 2019

Why would his be better than Mayor Pete's, for example? or Cory Booker's? Kamala Harris's? Elizabeth Warren's? Amy Klobuchar's? Julian Castro's? Beto O'Rourke's?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bigtree

(86,320 posts)
11. EveHammond13 likes him
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:34 PM
Sep 2019

...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
16. well, I'm sorry your candidate is not doing well but that is not my fault.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:35 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

bigtree

(86,320 posts)
34. I work retail
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:43 PM
Sep 2019

...I have nothing of great value invested in any of these candidates, and this isn't a contest between me and anyone here.

But I noticed you're a fan.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
76. She did very well in the debate.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:11 AM
Sep 2019

Just sayin’.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

mysteryowl

(7,495 posts)
14. Name recognition
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:35 PM
Sep 2019

People are familiar with him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

mysteryowl

(7,495 posts)
68. Ha!
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:03 AM
Sep 2019

Literally a bingo card!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

JI7

(89,405 posts)
101. Sanders has same level name recognition
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:52 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Rhiannon12866

(209,659 posts)
132. Not at all. I'm willing to bet that there are many voters who can't name their own senators
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 08:25 AM
Sep 2019

I remember Jay Leno's "Jaywalking" and Jimmy Kimmel does much the same thing - where they ask people on the street obvious questions that they're unable to answer, like who did you vote for in the last presidential election? This may have changed in our surreal age of Trump, but the truth is that too many people aren't paying the slightest bit of attention. That's one big reason we ended up with Trump - and need to GOTV.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JI7

(89,405 posts)
134. he ran for president in 2016 , that's how he got higher name recognition
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 08:59 AM
Sep 2019

there was some poll or something done which asked about this and biden and sanders were on the same level and warren was very close to them and probably same as them now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TwilightZone

(25,689 posts)
136. Sanders' name recognition is nearly 100%.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:27 AM
Sep 2019

I'm not sure why people keep insisting otherwise. It's as though people have forgotten that he ran a high-profile campaign for the nomination four years ago.

Biden and Sanders, name recognition identical at 96% -- and that was six months ago:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/biden-and-bernies-support-isnt-just-name-recognition/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Big Blue Marble

(5,175 posts)
15. They think he will get the job done.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:35 PM
Sep 2019

That is what matters to his supporters. They think he will be best at winning those
midwestern states we lost.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sparkly

(24,167 posts)
37. Why do they think that??
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:45 PM
Sep 2019

Do they watch the debates???

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Big Blue Marble

(5,175 posts)
79. Most of them probably don't watch the debates.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:11 AM
Sep 2019

But they will vote. They are comfortable with Joe.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thesquanderer

(12,058 posts)
141. Probably most polled have not seen the debates. And that worries me.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 05:45 PM
Sep 2019

A relatively small percentage of eligible voters have seen the debates so far, so if the poll samples are representative, most people polled have not seen the debates, either.

(Last night's ratings were strong, with estimated 14 million watching, but that's only about 10% of the number who voted in 2016.)

The reason it worries me is that I think Biden is weak in the debates, that's where you see that many of his sentences are barely coherent, and many of his answers can veer into unfortunate rambles. I worry that many people think he'll be strong against Trump based on polling and other reasons offered in this thread... but I fear that he will not come off well in debates against Trump, which more people WILL watch.

I worried about this kind of thing after watching videos of some appearances months ago, then felt a bit better after seeing him do better in the debates than some of what I'd seen (maybe he was better, or maybe I'd gotten used to it?), but last night's debate brought that worry back strongly again.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
19. Trust . . .
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:37 PM
Sep 2019

And like every Democratic candidate and majority of the Democratic Party members, we love this country and cherish democracy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

saljr1

(276 posts)
23. I will vote for any Democrat
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:40 PM
Sep 2019

Joe is in front because of people feeling he is a safe pick to beat Trump. It's like taking out my old Jethro Tull album "Living in the Past". I want a bolder and fairer vision of America. That's why I support Warren.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sparkly

(24,167 posts)
38. I'm just living in reality...
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:46 PM
Sep 2019

Nothing against Joe, but puleeeeze....

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,146 posts)
51. He's got a message. They just got "plans." For instance, he has framed this election in its
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:54 PM
Sep 2019

big-picture significance. I hear the same old from Bernie and Warren about corrupt government and the one percent, but policy is so unpoetic. Where’s the vision?

Don’t see it.

Not like this:

What gave Biden’s address more power was that it wasn’t just a harangue against Trump. It was a reminder of who we are as a nation, “the soul of America,” as he called it.

“What this president doesn’t understand is that unlike every other nation on earth, we're unable to define what constitutes "American" by religion, by ethnicity, or by tribe; you can't do it.
America is an idea. An idea stronger than any army, bigger than any ocean, more powerful than any dictator or tyrant. It gives hope to the most desperate people on earth….
The most powerful idea in the history of the world I think beats in the hearts of the people of this country. And it beats in all of us. No matter your race, your ethnicity. No matter your gender identity, your sexual orientation. No matter your faith. It beats in the heart of rich and poor alike. It unites America -- whether your ancestors were Native to these shores or they were brought here forcibly and enslaved, whether they were immigrants generations back, like my family from Ireland, or those coming today looking to build a better life for your family.
The American creed – that we are all created equal –was written long-ago. But the genius of every generation of Americans has opened it wider and wider and wider, to include those who have been excluded in a previous generation. That’s why it has never gathered dust in the history books.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/08/07/joe-biden-reminded-all-us-what-presidential-president-would-sound-like/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

world wide wally

(21,762 posts)
27. People look at Trump and see a 70 year old who is obviously evil and demented.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:41 PM
Sep 2019

Then they look at Biden and see a 70 year old experienced gentle soul (as we all aspire to).
The contrast couldn't be greater.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
31. Because we have had enough of a president who is going to 'shake things up'?
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:43 PM
Sep 2019

Because the things that get ‘shook up’ are us?

Democrats and Americans are ready for normalcy. God knows I am. And Biden will be a normal present working normally for the Democratic agenda.

Our traditions have been stretched to the limits. We need a normally liberal president to remind us what America is.

My opinion. Worth what you paid for it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sparkly

(24,167 posts)
41. Have you noticed
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:47 PM
Sep 2019

Joe Biden's struggles to answer questions?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
47. No. I have not. Is he Obama? Of course not. But who is?
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:51 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sparkly

(24,167 posts)
52. Is he equal to ANY of the other candidates on the stage?!?
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:55 PM
Sep 2019

NO. He is really struggling to make sense.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blaukraut

(5,703 posts)
35. IMO, it is the IDEA of Biden, VP to Obama, that gives people a sense of comfort
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:43 PM
Sep 2019

So far, he has a mixed record of living up to that idea. There are moments where he affirms the trust in him, and other times he makes people wonder if he is really what they want him to be. That said, he is leaps and bounds above Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Sparkly

(24,167 posts)
43. I agree, policy-wise.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:48 PM
Sep 2019

But would he seem that way, retail-wise, up against Trump.

I think he'd be way too weak.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blaukraut

(5,703 posts)
63. I don't know, but I expected more sharpness. I'll give him a couple more debates.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:00 AM
Sep 2019

But he needs to step up his game, to be honest.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BeyondGeography

(39,438 posts)
46. There were a lot of better options on that stage tonight IMO
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:49 PM
Sep 2019

Harris had some moments where she sparkled, particularly when she talked about public schools. Booker was engaging throughout. Buttigieg was brilliant and compelling. And I haven’t even mentioned Warren. Clinging to Biden is unnecessary and it’s holding this party back IMO. Any of these people could take Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
95. Warren needs to prove she can win the rust belt back. As it is, she is tied with Trump
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:28 AM
Sep 2019

In WI. Biden is up 9

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeyondGeography

(39,438 posts)
97. When in doubt, brandish a meaningless poll
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:34 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

thesquanderer

(12,058 posts)
137. Warren polls pretty well against Trump in rust belt.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 11:17 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,146 posts)
36. Most job-specific qualified, experienced, and knowledgeable in the field. Also one of America's
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:45 PM
Sep 2019

most respected and well-liked, even loved politician. Only one with any foreign policy cred and stature on the world stage. Appeals to widest swath of Americans and to our base. In fact, running
way ahead of the pack with black electorate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sparkly

(24,167 posts)
50. Reasons for him to be a good president.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:52 PM
Sep 2019

Different question from the reasons he's ahead in the primary polls, which supposedly are all about beating Trump. Based on his difficulties in speaking, as well as his problematic record, I think he is our worst pick.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,146 posts)
65. I thought we should pick the guy who will make the best prez, and the guy who will is ahead in the
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:02 AM
Sep 2019

polls including toe to toe matches with Trump. B

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

applegrove

(119,564 posts)
42. Former union members in the mid west don't want to hear from "pointy headed
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:47 PM
Sep 2019

Last edited Fri Sep 13, 2019, 08:34 PM - Edit history (2)

intellectuals". Biden gaffes make him human to those voters who voted for Obama and then Trump.

For those who don't believe in the Obama Trump union voters:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjf-s6nh8_kAhWVMX0KHZ-jAv8QzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.inquirer.com%2Fnews%2Felection-2020-pennsylvania-voters-donald-trump-barack-obama-20190829.html&psig=AOvVaw1-ZX5rQscbBLDxHKU55gvY&ust=1568507339425763

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jcgoldie

(11,688 posts)
56. Nonsense
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:56 PM
Sep 2019

Union members are not voting for Trump. "Pointy headed intellectuals" wtf is that?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to jcgoldie (Reply #56)

 

applegrove

(119,564 posts)
73. In the mid west obama voters did vote for Trump in numbers big enough to give them
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:08 AM
Sep 2019

the electoral c9llege to Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jcgoldie

(11,688 posts)
77. I live in the midwest and belong to a union and so do both of my brothers
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:11 AM
Sep 2019

Show some statistics to support that union members are responsible for what you say. Unions are not as stupid as you think.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

applegrove

(119,564 posts)
84. Former union members. People who feel financial anxiety because they lost good jobs.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:23 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
90. Pure speculation
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:25 AM
Sep 2019

Where are the facts?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

applegrove

(119,564 posts)
96. Was a book that went into regression analysis about how people in financial anxiety
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:33 AM
Sep 2019

stop voting with reason and start voting with intuition (hate against the other is intuition, your economic self interests are voting wirh reason). Former union members are worried about financial things as they make half of their previous salary i would say. The book was called Enchanted America by J. Eric Oliver and Thomas J. Wood.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jcgoldie

(11,688 posts)
116. Uhm
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 01:38 AM
Sep 2019

"Financial anxiety" + Trump voters = bullshit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
118. Yep! Thanks for coming back to this convo
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 01:42 AM
Sep 2019

I really didn't have the patience to reply to that poster again.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

applegrove

(119,564 posts)
122. The obama then trump voters were former union people from the midwest.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 02:19 AM
Sep 2019

Last edited Fri Sep 13, 2019, 02:54 AM - Edit history (1)

I've been saying it for months and only tonight is it appauling to some. Strange.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
147. Looks to me like the union memeber from the midwest wanted some facts about your claim
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 07:12 PM
Sep 2019

I would like some facts as well, not a reference to a book. Also it is appalling not appauling.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

applegrove

(119,564 posts)
148. Read the book i reccommend.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 07:16 PM
Sep 2019

Enchanted America by J. Eric Oliver and Thomas J. Wood.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
149. Please YOU made the claim here on DU
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 07:22 PM
Sep 2019

Not Mr. Oliver or Mr. Wood, regardless of their book. Support your premise. Because to not do so would actually be appalling. Thanks.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BeyondGeography

(39,438 posts)
61. You should consider self-deleting
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:58 PM
Sep 2019

Pointy-headed intellectuals. Sheesh. George Wallace used to use that term.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

applegrove

(119,564 posts)
92. I should have put it in
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:26 AM
Sep 2019

quotes. I will change that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sparkly

(24,167 posts)
62. Obama is an intellectual.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:59 PM
Sep 2019

Not sure which has a pointier head. We'd have to see under the rodent on top of Trump's.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

applegrove

(119,564 posts)
87. Obama was cool. And careful. I'm not saying it is right to vote that way.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:25 AM
Sep 2019

I am saying that is how it was in 2016 when Trump won the electoral college.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Sparkly (Original post)

 

emmaverybo

(8,146 posts)
54. Well, finally someone said it.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:55 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sparkly

(24,167 posts)
64. But he isn't the only one in that category, if that's your flavor.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:01 AM
Sep 2019

There are other options. Why the guy who stumbles over his words?!? Seriously!!!?!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blaukraut

(5,703 posts)
70. Even Biden's plans will be DOA in the Senate. So talk - no matter who does it - is cheap.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:06 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BeyondGeography

(39,438 posts)
83. Biden won't push to end the filibuster
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:16 AM
Sep 2019

That makes him by far the most unrealistic candidate of the top three, along with Bernie, who’s also opposed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Bleacher Creature

(11,277 posts)
45. I'm right there with you.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:49 PM
Sep 2019

I like Biden and will give him my 100% support if he's the nominee, but I'm just not seeing it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(44,575 posts)
49. because he is perceived as the best bet to beat the orange bloat and we need to beat Rump nt
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:52 PM
Sep 2019

That said, I expect most of a Biden presidency to revolve around the absolutely necessary project of simply rolling back as much of the damage Rump has already done. The SCOTUS is a potential nightmare, and IF we do not win back the Senate in 2020 or 2022, I do not see Biden getting a justice that he has nominated even getting a vote, perhaps for 8 straight years (if he is reelected and if we still fail to take back the Senate in 2024 or 2026.)

I do not expect many (perhaps none) major future-forward paradigmatic changes in terms of progressive movement. The public option will be a massive fight, and I so hope he can pull it off, but I have serious doubts due to the institutional and economic systemic forces arrayed against it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

HelpImSurrounded

(441 posts)
57. Why do you knock out Bernie?
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:56 PM
Sep 2019

I can understand if you think he is a non-starter but what happened in the debate that makes you think he tanked himself?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

napi21

(45,806 posts)
58. I think people also know what Joe is like and how he would govern because he was VP.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:57 PM
Sep 2019

Everyone else is a guess. You depend on what they say, how they vote, promises they make. but Joe was in the 2nd job for 8 years, so they KNOW how he thinks and acts.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sparkly

(24,167 posts)
60. Nevertheless, as a candidate
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:58 PM
Sep 2019

he can't make sense in front of a microphone.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,146 posts)
71. He makes sense. A few wording glitches now and then. Warren pontificates like she's in a lecture
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:07 AM
Sep 2019

hall and Bernie harangues. Actually, Biden is a gifted speaker who connects emotionally with audiences.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sparkly

(24,167 posts)
78. And you think that will get by Trump?
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:11 AM
Sep 2019

Seriously?

REALLY?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emulatorloo

(44,406 posts)
74. You don't seem to want answers, just opportunities to tear other DU'ers down
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:10 AM
Sep 2019

for supporting a candidate you don’t care for.

Why not write something positive about a candidate you like? That would be useful to undecided DU’ers.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Sparkly

(24,167 posts)
81. I am honestly trying to understand why
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:16 AM
Sep 2019

considering his obvious problems -- acknowledging them honestly, not pretending they aren't there -- his supporters still believe he is the best choice.

As I said, I don't have a favorite -- I have three I actively support, seven I like a lot, and three I've ruled out.

I just do not understand Biden's enduring lead given his performance in each of the debates, and why the media continues to hit everyone who challenged him, but not his own performance.

It worries me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

katmondoo

(6,459 posts)
89. I think Biden in spite of his gaffes comes across as a decent, caring person
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:25 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sparkly

(24,167 posts)
93. But so do many others, no?
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:27 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Alhena

(3,031 posts)
94. Yes, very humble as well - that plays well in a Trump fatigue era
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:27 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
100. Likeable. Experienced. Dignified. Honest. Working class.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:44 AM
Sep 2019

Perfect ANTITHESIS of trump. Plus he doesn't scare away the middle who voted for trump thinking he'd turn normal and he did not.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(147,501 posts)
104. Joe Biden's appeal actually isn't a mystery
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:59 AM
Sep 2019



Biden shows reverence for the most popular Democrat around, former president Barack Obama; others find fault in everything from the Affordable Care Act to immigration policy. Biden does not bombard voters with a torrent of multi-part plans; he gives them a few basic positions and defends them. Biden does not campaign from the neck up; he campaigns with his heart on his sleeve. Biden is deeply optimistic; his opponents think Americans are the problem, not Trump. (I don’t suggest that his opponents are wrong, merely that their stance apparently isn’t as popular as they thought.) Biden wants normalcy plus reform; his opponents want a peaceful revolution. Biden knows people want to be heard and seen; his opponents (with the exception of Sen. Kamala D. Harris) don’t fully grasp this. They want to “help," to pepper people with ideas and a to-do list, while Biden takes the time to listen to them. (Think of the well-meaning friend who has a thousand suggestions when you are grieving and you’d rather they just shut up and commiserate.)

This is the grouchy-white-guy-in-the-diner problem all over again. Reporters are blinded by their own age, background, education and geography. Instead of going to West Virginia diners to find the Trump voter, reporters should go talk to the residents of The Villages in Florida, the African American churchgoing ladies and the buttoned-down professionals in the affluent suburbs (the Romney-Clinton voters). These people have endured a noisy, offensive and intrusive presence in the White House. They don’t necessarily want a different noisy, intrusive presence — even one they agree with on substance.

Part of the “mystery” of Biden’s appeal would be solved if the moderators flipped their questions, as one smart Democrat not in the Biden camp put it. Instead of asking Biden or another moderate, “Why aren’t you going with the big, bold idea of Medicare-for-all?,” the moderators might consider asking Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) or Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), “Why blow up Obamacare, and why don’t you trust people to choose Medicare if given the option?” Instead of assuming that extreme proposals are the standard, requiring the moderates to explain why they are such wet blankets, the moderators should press the super-progressives on questions such as: What makes you think that voters want to go through another health-care makeover? Why should poorer people pay for richer people’s health care or subsidize their college debt?

Better yet, ask the candidates to relate the personal story from a voter who moved them the most, or the last voter whose phone number they took so that the candidate could call later, or the most insightful thing they have heard from a voter. It might reveal who is talking at voters and who is listening to them.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
105. Experience, genuine personality, Obama
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 01:00 AM
Sep 2019

When the current administration is as amoral and destructively idiotic as it is, decades of experience in the legislature, and being part of a competent administration for two terms are pretty big selling points to people.

Trump's personality also gives Joe Biden a big advantage. Just now on Colbert, the Pod Save America guy (Obama's speech writter) talked about people underestimating his personal appeal. He talked about how Joe really shows genuine honest emotion. I think that's a big advantage this go round because of the contrast.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
108. Biden is by far WON the healthcare debate tonight
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 01:05 AM
Sep 2019

I was leaning towards MFA but I now believe that it is only possible by slow transition. How quickly people forget what healthcare was like before ACA. How quickly do we forget how difficult it was to pass ACA and how quickly do we get used to good things. Having public option on the exchanges is brilliant and was always part of ACA promise but it was killed in the senate. It will gradually bring costs down and will cover millions more people. It is good to have politicians like Sanders and Warren who help change minds of Americans especially young people to a point when healthcare will no longer be a political issue.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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MarcA

(2,195 posts)
112. Noun, Verb, Obama. n/t
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 01:23 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeyondGeography

(39,438 posts)
115. That is cruelly good
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 01:35 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

forgotmylogin

(7,566 posts)
114. Biden has actually been one step away from the Presidency.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 01:35 AM
Sep 2019

People who don't follow politics as closely as we do likely default to Biden. It's like how a degree can get someone in the door of a job over people who don't have a degree.

I like Biden; with no disrespect, though, he's up against a powerhouse slate of candidates. During any other normal political circumstance, he'd be the nominee already, but 45 has brought out the best and most heroic the Democratic Party has to offer. Good for us all, actually.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
117. I wasn't a fan of Hillary until her term as SoS.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 01:39 AM
Sep 2019

Things change and to each their own.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
119. Name recognition and Barack Obama. Pre-Obama, Biden was not considered pres. material.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 01:55 AM
Sep 2019

Biden had to drop out in 1988 due to scandal. He dropped out after getting just 4% in Iowa in 2008. Biden has always been gaffe-prone, too touchy-feely and behind the times. But he was VP for the most popular president in modern times--the most recent Democratic president. And ever since 2016's election there's been this popular but bogus narrative that we need a white male moderate to take on Trump in 2020.

And Biden benefits greatly from there being so many candidates. The average person is not going to put in the effort to distinguish between 20 people they've never heard of.

If Biden loses Iowa, he's in trouble. That makes it more likely that he loses New Hampshire. And then he's really in trouble. Biden should be very grateful that both Warren and Sanders are running and hurting one another's chances in those first 2 states.

I see Biden losing at least 1 of those first 2 states, Harris pulling out a win in South Carolina and then Harris doing well enough on Super Tuesday to pretty much seal the deal. Warren and Sanders hurt one another and neither is likely to do well enough among Black voters (who will ultimately decide who our nominee is). Black folks can't take any chances--Republican policies are deadly. If Biden is shown to be vulnerable, he'll lose support.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
120. You misunderstand how valuable name recognition is. Everyone knows him, and he didn't shit the bed
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 01:55 AM
Sep 2019

as VP, so he's also essentially "presidential." Those are 2 major things. You can't gloss over that.

"Name recognition" is often just hearing someone's name repeated a lot. "Branding," which is also largely repetition, works similarly and Trump uses this "trick" of how the human brain works every day to reinforce his messages (lies) so no one strays.

Trump is going to brand the frak out of our guy/gal (and it's going to be bad).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
121. Watching tonight, I saw something I hadn't noticed before ... charisma.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 02:12 AM
Sep 2019

that's Beto. He has it big time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

cliffside

(203 posts)
123. Sanders supporter in 2016, but the Dem party wanted Clinton
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 02:24 AM
Sep 2019

while the country wanted a Change candidate, it was fairly obvious listening to people years before Bush/Clinton etc. And we got a change candidate Trump. Once again the Dem party wants an establishment candidate just like they did in 2016 and they are not reading the pulse of the people. You might have mocked Sanders back in the day, not sure, not my issue today. The reason I liked Sanders in 2016 was that he has been consistent for decades, and mostly right (giving room for doubt) on racial and economic inequality, money controlling politics, climate change and HC for all without all the subsidies to corporations. Biden and Hillary both bought into the invasion of Iraq and destabilization of the ME and then blamed it on someone else. I forget the numbers of Iraqi children that were left orphans or displaced, but I am sure they know. I do remember that 25% of their population was displaced and still we forget about those people like they are disposable and our politicians say I believed Bush, sorry my mistake. Sanders challenged Bush, yes he might be getting on in years, but he had, and still has more mental awareness capacity than Biden now and then to make the correct decisions.

We have some good candidates in the group, not sure why Biden is among the top other than name recognition. While I think Obama did ok and did not disturb things too much, unlike the current occupant of the Oval Office. Obama acquiesed to the HC lobby over prescription drug prices and insurance premiums, he never let the opposition into the room, therefore no real debate on universal HC, just made a deal with the for profit companies, insurance and Pharma companies got tax payer dollars. Did you catch the speech Obama gave to the AMA and a question was asked about UHC and his reply included 'we would not have a socialist HC system in the US.'

Maybe you include Sanders in your list because of his age, but his ideas and principles have been time tested over decades. Would I have spoken out with such fervor over racial equality in the 60's and been arrested? I like some of the younger people, but just like we saw with Obama when he said he said he was for Medicare for All early on and then mocked supporters at rally later on after election. Not to diss too much there were other signs for those paying attention.

Giving Sanders a pass for all his outspoken views on racial/economic equality, money in politics and climate change dating back decades, his views have not changed. The younger people have not proven themselves, if they get into office let us hope their actions match their words.

Thing is most people do not have time to pay attention, so they just cheer for a blue or red team and people get thrown about.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hekate

(91,706 posts)
124. Biden hooked me with his opening ad featuring Charlottesville. He really gets it. ...
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 02:46 AM
Sep 2019

Joe started out running against Trump and nobody else, and has not let up. He is leading the way for all the rest in that regard.

As to his misspeaking -- so do others, it's just that for Joe his so-called gaffes are the lazy-ass media meme that will not die. In addition, he's a recovering stutterer, and that may have something to do with it.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

stonecutter357

(12,709 posts)
125. you seem very concerned !
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 04:48 AM
Sep 2019

Why is Biden in the lead? if you don't know now , you never will ...

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still_one

(92,766 posts)
127. Doesn't he though. Starts off with a preamble bashing Biden, "and telling us how bad he is", then
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 06:08 AM
Sep 2019

asks the question.

Almost sounds like he is doing a push poll thinking that this post will turn Biden supporters against Biden.

It is also quite insulting to Biden supporters for someone to pontificate how bad someone is, and then ask the question
with the implication how can those supporters, support such a "bad person"?

The only purpose of this thread is divisionary flamebait.

It appears that it is the OP who has the problem




If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JI7

(89,405 posts)
126. Beto would be leading if he had more experience .
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 05:38 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

still_one

(92,766 posts)
129. On what basis do you make that speculation? If you subscribe to that, then aren't you implying that
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 06:34 AM
Sep 2019

perhaps Beto shouldn't run until he gets more experience?

I am not being flippant either. He was in the House of Representatives, City Council, and Mayor pro tem of El Paseo. He ran for Senate against Ted Cruz, and while he lost, it was a very close race.

He is very bright, and his educational background is right at the top of the list.

I think the main factor is there are too many Democrats in the race right now, and until that list narrows down, and we get closer to the actual primaries, I think it will be very difficult to know what will happen.

One thing that gets lost with many of the polls going on, is that there are a significant number of people who are still undecided.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JI7

(89,405 posts)
130. no, Biden has more experience so i can see why people would support him over Beto
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 06:56 AM
Sep 2019

that doesn't mean Beto isn't ready or should not try. Beto gets better everytime and when people hear him they can see he has in depth knowledge of policy matters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

still_one

(92,766 posts)
131. Of course we all have our opinions, I just think it is way too early in the primary
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 07:12 AM
Sep 2019

process to determine what motivates people to bend one way or another


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Martin Eden

(12,954 posts)
128. Biden would be 82 at the end of his first term
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 06:20 AM
Sep 2019

He occasionally has difficulty speaking coherently now. What will he be like more than 5 years from now in such a demanding and stressful job?

Call me an ageist, but Biden and Sanders are off my list for that reason alone.

If none of the other candidates can beat Trump, we really are in trouble.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

seaglass

(8,173 posts)
133. Count me in as ageist also. I want a strong 2 term candidate and neither Biden or Sanders are it.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 08:31 AM
Sep 2019

There are other reasons I have eliminated Biden and Sanders and age isn't the top reason but I will be really disappointed if one of these 2 ends up being the nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Martin Eden

(12,954 posts)
144. +1
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 06:54 PM
Sep 2019

Biden lost my vote in D primaries in October 2002 when he voted for the IWR, as did HRC.

I supported Sanders in 2012. He served his purpose by advancing progressive causes, but his time as a presidential candidate is past.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
145. Let him serve for one term.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 07:05 PM
Sep 2019

He is a transitional leader- a bridge to normalcy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TwilightZone

(25,689 posts)
135. "Radios and record players"
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:24 AM
Sep 2019

Record players are back in a big way, as are record stores and vinyl.

As for radios, SiriusXM is in most new cars sold in the US and has 34 million subscribers.

Just because you are seemingly unaware of either of those items doesn't mean that they're irrelevant.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jcgoldie

(11,688 posts)
138. They are only irrelevant...
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 11:25 AM
Sep 2019

...with respect to the legacy of slavery.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
139. The pendulum swings...
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 11:26 AM
Sep 2019

After the daily hair on fire temper tantrum Presidency of the traitor Trump, many Americans want the exact opposite - a calm, stable, competent force in the White House. Many people are exhausted by the raging insanity show and just want to get back to their lives.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
140. He has substantial African-American support
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 02:32 PM
Sep 2019

That won't help him much in Iowa or New Hampshire, but by the time that South Carolina's votes are counted, it will give him a considerable boost. And Super Tuesday has a lot of states where black voters make up sizable proportions of the Democratic electorate.

As long as Joe can come in second, or at worst, third, in most of the remaining contests, he'll be in it all the way through the convention, unless something happens to separate him from his African-American support, which probably won't happen as long as he keeps a bear hug on Barack Obama.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

coeur_de_lion

(3,703 posts)
142. Who cares why he's in the lead?
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 06:17 PM
Sep 2019

He is. Deal with it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SCantiGOP

(13,886 posts)
143. He is currently polling in the high 40s in SC
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 06:41 PM
Sep 2019

And we think we have a good shot at him clearing over 50% here.
Some of us liked what we had from 2009 to 2017.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bloom

(11,635 posts)
146. I think DUers are where the country will be - if and when they pay attention.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 07:08 PM
Sep 2019

IOW - Warren by a long shot.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

elocs

(22,775 posts)
155. Biden is not in the lead but just the favorite of those polled.
Sat Sep 14, 2019, 06:34 AM
Sep 2019

In a horse race, no horse has a lead of any kind until the horses have left the starting gate.

Well the starting gate in this race are the Iowa caucuses and until then nobody has a real lead.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PAMod

(908 posts)
156. "Debates should matter..." Um, no.
Sat Sep 14, 2019, 11:41 AM
Sep 2019

Anyone who chooses a candidate based debate performances (yes, that is what they really are), is not truly paying attention.

Biden is well-liked, and will be ready to govern on day one. He IS our best candidate, and it really isn't even close. He may not check all the boxes for everyone (no one does), but he will be another Democratic president we will be proud of.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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