Castro is digging himself a deeper hole right now with Chris Matthews

[scheming daemons]

I've had it with politicians who won't admit it when they got something wrong.


Castro is destroying his future in Democratic politics tonight.

[Lisa0825]

1. Yup. nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. That's too bad. I'd kind of liked him, but

it sounds like he's stepped in it.

[JI7]

3. i pressed mute when he came on

[bigtree]

4. no he's not

...amazing to hear Biden talking down to Castro on an issue he's intimately connected to, immigration.

A lot of what the former VP said was clipped speech and sometimes unintelligible. I think it had to do with how upset he appeared throughout, especially at the beginning when he was berating Bernie and Warren.

[scheming daemons]

5. The fact checkers are destroying Castro tonight....

....rightfully so.


But more than that... Castro's mean-spirited attack will kill whatever goodwill Castro had in the Democratic Party.



Castro will be out of the race within two weeks. Everything will dry up... money, endorsements, everything.


Tonight was a mortal wound to Castro's candidacy.

[bigtree]

8. that will never happen

...and it's ridiculous to say so.

He has a bright political future, maybe not in the WH, but who knows. No telling from this debate.

Amazing how Biden gets a pass for his tirades at several participants.

[Green Line]

15. I don't agree

I don’t see anything from Castro that says he has a bright future

[bigtree]

19. because of a tiff with Biden?

...hardly career ending.

[Cha]

36. No.. it wasn't a "riff" you are

mischaracterizing it.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Julián Castro repeatedly attacked Joe Biden, but was wrong in debate’s most viral moment

While the moment quickly went viral on social media, the Daily Beast’s Lachlan Markay pointed out that Castro was incorrect — Biden didn’t actually say people would have to opt in to his plan. Instead, he said the exact opposite just a minute before the widely shared exchange.

“Anyone who can’t afford it gets automatically enrolled in the Medicare-type option we have,” Biden said of his plan.

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/nation/joe-biden-julian-castro-debate-obama-forget-two-minutes-health-care-immigration-20190913.html

Link to tweet

Castro Blew it.. time will tell how badly.

[Cha]

42. It was a disingenuous attack.

Link to tweet

[RKP5637]

43. Absolutely was! K&R! It was the typical crap many people are fed up with! n/t

[Cha]

47. Thank you, RKP..

[RKP5637]

54. ...

[customerserviceguy]

56. He couldn't even get support

from what we're constantly being told is a growing number of Hispanic voters in the Democratic Party. His political obituary was written before last night's debate.

[bigtree]

57. that's because the former VP, someone who's had more than his share of opportunities

...is sucking all of the support from the field.

I suspect that will even out in the coming months as more voters other than the politically dedicated folks at DU and elsewhere weigh in. When inevitable candidates find themselves in a more competitive race, all of the opportunistic nonsense about 'political obituaries,' given an air of credence by the media's self-actualizing polls, won't be coming from the same quarters of our Democratic field as today.

[customerserviceguy]

58. What's Joe Biden's draw

for Latino voters? Some of them seem to hold him responsible for the deportations that occurred during the Obama administration.

[bigtree]

60. you've got the wrong guy to talk about these early polls like you can write a textbook on results

...it's like I'm consulting with a psychic.

[grantcart]

34. Castro's earlier gambit to trap Beto on "criminalization at the border"

In the earlier debate was the stupidest gambit by any Democratic politician in recent history (and yes I have more experience and expertise on the subject). Days after the debate key figures in Obama's administration explained the error and Castro was regulated to gadfly status among leadership.

It's really too bad because I originally thought he was destined for greatness. He is either knowledgeable but recklessly ambitious or incredibly shallow. Not since John Edwards have I been so wrong about a politician that I admired, and I didn't even see his widely panned performance tonight.

My best friend who I normally watch the debate strongly disagree over Castro's earlier performance and still admired him texted me "Castro absolutely destroyed himself tonight".

[Cha]

40. Thank you for the reminder that Castro Learned

Nothing from his attack on Beto in the first debate.

My best friend who I normally watch the debate strongly disagree over Castro's earlier performance and still admired him texted me "Castro absolutely destroyed himself tonight".

Interesting anecdote.. Mahalo, grant.

[RKP5637]

44. Castro is finished IMO. n/t

[hlthe2b]

41. Your opinion is a clear outlier. I agree totally with scheming demons. Castro destroyed himself

First, he was wrong in his accusation about what Biden said or didn't say. Worst, his attack was damned cruel against a man that whether you support him or not is widely viewed as a kind and good man.

Castro will not recover. He didn't simply look opportunistic and desperate, but cruel.

[kcr]

11. You realize they're doing the same thing they did to Kamala with bussing?

Castro was right. He's still right. Fact checkers aren't automatically right because they call themselves fact checkers. Calling out Biden is perfectly fine to do. Castro did nothing wrong tonight. And he was right. Buying in is not the same thing. Biden was equally as strident earlier against Sanders and Warren regarding MFA, and no one has said one word. And, as someone pointed out elsewhere, I'd argue his "This is America" comment aimed at Bernie was hardly civil. Unity, indeed.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

14. Yep. The fact checkers have a strange way of missing this statement.

It’s odd they cut this out. I rolled it back during the debate and Biden absolutely said “buy in”

He may have said something different earlier but he said buy in.

Link to tweet

[kcr]

20. Welp, they're fact checkers, so down the memory hole it goes.

I'm beginning to think Snopes was the worst thing to happen, even if it was good back in the 00s.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

22. I don't know what to call it but gaslighting.

[kcr]

23. That's exactly what it is.

It fits the classic definition of the word. Don't believe your lying eyes/ears. It's distressing to see how well it works sometimes.

[MarcA]

24. Fact checkers have become spin doctors catapulting the propaganda.

Who are they? Who hires or appoints them? Where are their peer reviews?

[BannonsLiver]

25. Ah

We’re going the fake news route when something doesn’t fit our narrative. Sounds familiar.

[kcr]

29. Or the fact checker is actually wrong

Are the words "Fact checker" magic? Is Brian Williams a god?

I'll just leave this little reminder, here:
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-brian-williams-controversy-suspension-20150210-htmlstory.html

[jcgoldie]

10. I do not know what debate some folks were watching

Biden was borderline incoherent for much of the night.

[bigtree]

12. transcripts bear that out, in several exchanges

...wth is this?

"...Look, there's institutional segregation in this country. And from the time I got involved, I started dealing with that. Red lining, banks, making sure we are in a position where—look, you talk about education. I propose that what we take is those very poor schools, the Title I schools, triple the amount of money we spend from $15 to $45 billion a year. Give every single teacher a raise to the equal raise of getting out of the $60,000 level. Number two, make sure that we bring in to help the teachers deal with the problems that come from home. We need, we have one school psychologist for every 1,500 kids in America today. It's crazy. the teachers are—i'm married to a teacher, my deceased wife is a teacher. They have every problem coming to them. We have to make sure that every single child does, in fact, have 3-, 4-, and 5-year-olds go to school—school, not daycare, school. We bring social workers into homes with parents to help them deal with how to raise their children. It's not want they don't want to help, they don't know quite what to do. Play the radio, make sure the television— excuse me, make sure you have the record player on at night, the phone—make sure that kids hear words, a kid coming from a very poor school—a very poor background will hear 4 million words fewer spoken by the time they get there. "

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/bidens-broken-record-moment/597994/

[Eyeball_Kid]

16. I kept waiting for Biden to get a flow of thoughts going.

I wanted to see him do some coherent ranting. Others were able to do it. I couldn't get past 4-5 consecutive words' worth of a thought before he'd slur, change topics, or make some distracting grunt. Then he'd go on to another thought. Drove me nuts. I was looking for something inspirational from Biden, something rhetorically elegant. I got a face that's been stretched.

[Green Line]

17. And Warren sounded like your most boring teacher

[quakerboy]

35. I had an exciting teacher once

If you opened the wrong set of cabinet behind his desk, he would dive under his desk, whimpering about the invisible acid dripping monster you'd let out and ask you to hide him from it. It usually took about 15 minutes for things to get back to the education part of the process.

It was exciting. Didn't learn much in that class though. Lotsa kids thought it was funny to open the cabinet.

[Drunken Irishman]

21. Fortunately, it doesn't matter what jcgoldie thinks.

No offense but DU's interpretation of this race is remarkably consistent with how it played out in 2016 - just replace Warren with Sanders. There's DU reality and the other reality. In the other reality, stuff like that doesn't matter.

[jcgoldie]

31. well

Except that in 2016 the frontrunner was very very sharp.

[Drunken Irishman]

32. And we lost. So...

I am not going to question Biden's intelligent, just like I won't question Warren's sincerity when it comes to her race.

[jcgoldie]

33. I don't think there's any issue with his intelligence.

.

[Cha]

38. Yep.. he saw quite a different debate than

say this article from politicusUSA.. Winners in the eye of the beholder..

Here Are The Winners And Losers Of The ABC Democratic Debate

2). Joe Biden – Biden appears to be hitting his groove in these debates. Castro tried to play the age card on Biden, and it blew up in his face. Biden knows who he is and he is strong on his center-left views. Biden looked like the leader of this field when he praised Beto O’Rourke for how he handled El Paso. The former vice president had an answer for his critics and made a strong argument against Medicare For All as being something that won’t help people now. Biden came in as the frontrunner, and he leaves Texas as the frontrunner.

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/09/12/winners-losers-democratic-debate.html

[USALiberal]

49. Lol, so that settles it? Nt

[Cha]

50. Of course not.. It's a different

perspective. I said the winner is in the eye of the beholder.

[Thekaspervote]

53. It is not just politcsusa that agreed with Biden, Sam Stein, and many others agreed as well

Someone pointed out this morning that Castro would do well to admit he was wrong, but refuses. It’s the stronger position to admit one is wrong than to keep saying you’re not

[Cha]

37. Not the debate you were watching..

Here Are The Winners And Losers Of The ABC Democratic Debate

2). Joe Biden – Biden appears to be hitting his groove in these debates. Castro tried to play the age card on Biden, and it blew up in his face. Biden knows who he is and he is strong on his center-left views. Biden looked like the leader of this field when he praised Beto O’Rourke for how he handled El Paso. The former vice president had an answer for his critics and made a strong argument against Medicare For All as being something that won’t help people now. Biden came in as the frontrunner, and he leaves Texas as the frontrunner.

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/09/12/winners-losers-democratic-debate.html

[underthematrix]

30. I heard him very clearly which was why I was so shocked when Castro attacked him.

[Grasswire2]

6. Castro had nothing to lose in this campaign at this point.

But I wish he had used his attack on Trump instead.

Trump who tells outright lies daily. Meanspirited, willful lies.

[oasis]

7. My high hopes that Castro would be President at some point, are now dust.

[elleng]

9. matthews helped him do so,

kept talking and interrupting.

[Jack-o-Lantern]

13. Castro is toast.

[BlueMississippi]

18. Castro ruined his career tonight. nt

[Green Line]

26. Yes he did

[JI7]

39. i think he was always overrated in terms of electoral politics .

[Maru Kitteh]

27. Castro just pile-drove his dying campaign into oblivion.

[Pachamama]

28. +100000

It's over

[Scurrilous]

45. ...

[CousinIT]

46. I've written Castro off.

If he's the nominee I'd of course support him over Trump but - he is off my potentials list - won't do anything to support him now.

[onetexan]

48. i have great respect for Castro, but i did not like how he attacked Joe Biden

compared to everyone else in the field - even Elizabeth & Bernie - Joe is by far the most qualified, heavily experienced, and the most well-spoken candidate for the job of POTUS. Castro needs to pay his respects to the elders before he comes out swinging like that. He is a still rather wet behind the ears compared to Joe. He's now lost his chances of being selected for VEEP by Joe.

I hope he will learn from this and mend fences, as Kamala learned the hard way. I liked her directing her attacks to the Idiot and not to Joe yesterday. I think she would be a great candidate, along with Beto, for VEEP.

[Cha]

52. Wow.. I hadn't heard that about Booker

implying Beto didn't care about gun violence until now.

While Biden gave Beto proper respect.

[TrunKated]

55. ageism and lies

Political suicide.

[Cha]

59. It was weird!