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Tennessee Tuxedo

(36 posts)
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:09 PM Oct 2019

This is going to get me banned, don't care!

My wife has Lynch Disease ( Google it! ) she is terminal! My private insurance has paid for everything and kept her alive for 6 years!

Everyone else in her family died in months! She has issues now! The Doctors at U of M ordered a super antibiotic that is insanely expensive! My insurance covered in full with no issues!

Will not vote for anyone that will take or in anyway mess with my healthcare! All my union brothers and sisters are of the same mind!

M4A is a fool's gambit! I will not give up what has kept the love of my life alive!! Take it however you want! This transcends party and is the new 3rd rail!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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This is going to get me banned, don't care! (Original Post) Tennessee Tuxedo Oct 2019 OP
Note: Medicare does not stop you from having other medical insurance. LiberalArkie Oct 2019 #1
Medicare does not pay if you have other insurance. wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #21
From personal experience, and a stack of medical bills Sinistrous Oct 2019 #28
You are, of course, correct. TomSlick Oct 2019 #34
Exactly! Andy823 Oct 2019 #63
You have a suplimental plan like I do wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #77
Not true. volstork Oct 2019 #53
The rules are more confusing all the time. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2019 #84
Way wrong! lark Oct 2019 #91
I have medicare being over 65, your have to have medicare as 1st payer and BCBS picks up LiberalArkie Oct 2019 #115
"Medicare for all" does not mean Medicare as it is now, thesquanderer Oct 2019 #59
Thank you for your 19th post Tennessee Tuxedo! sharedvalues Oct 2019 #76
A thank you, means a lot! Tennessee Tuxedo Oct 2019 #107
So do I Omaha Steve Oct 2019 #95
You seem to like the care your spouse received pnwpolicy Oct 2019 #2
The point is under my Cadillac Health plan their was no issues! Tennessee Tuxedo Oct 2019 #10
*there were no issues pnwpolicy Oct 2019 #13
I am curious, did you get it through work? How much a month was it uppityperson Oct 2019 #16
Yes through work Tennessee Tuxedo Oct 2019 #108
Wow, good for your employer. Mine doesn't offer anything like that. uppityperson Oct 2019 #111
How much do you pay for it? Ztolkins Oct 2019 #17
I had a similar plan CountAllVotes Oct 2019 #57
So in other words BannonsLiver Oct 2019 #96
This message was self-deleted by its author Boxerfan Oct 2019 #3
Im very sorry about your wife. yardwork Oct 2019 #4
She was taken into Tennessee Tuxedo Oct 2019 #15
Nobody in the Democratic Party is trying to take it away from her. yardwork Oct 2019 #48
... crazytown Oct 2019 #5
The point is for those whose insurance has NOT failed, but rather, made a difference, to have a emmaverybo Oct 2019 #25
What choices? Only those with means have a choice... Humanist_Activist Oct 2019 #50
Yes. Many do and these are the policies some want to keep. In some cases the employer pays emmaverybo Oct 2019 #66
What percentage of the population actually has this choice? Humanist_Activist Oct 2019 #68
Unions negotiated some very good deals. People took lower pay to get the deals. I am not pulling emmaverybo Oct 2019 #72
I was one of them CountAllVotes Oct 2019 #78
So a minority, is what you are saying, and a largely privileged one at that... Humanist_Activist Oct 2019 #86
There are several options for getting to universal healthcare coverage. M4All is but one and will emmaverybo Oct 2019 #98
They are few in number, at least from what I can tell... Humanist_Activist Oct 2019 #114
What does that even mean? There is no one size fits all solution to health care. wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #27
You won't get an answer. If you do, it will be about fairy dust and you being evil Blue_true Oct 2019 #44
Oh ye of faith crazytown Oct 2019 #46
Those with "bad" insurance will have to be subsidized by everyone else... Humanist_Activist Oct 2019 #52
I am ok with subsidies so that people get better health insurance. Blue_true Oct 2019 #60
How are the costs "known"? Hell, with employer provided health insurance, our costs increased... Humanist_Activist Oct 2019 #67
The "unknown" that you listed exists regardless of insurance. Blue_true Oct 2019 #74
That is the definition of how insurance works. thesquanderer Oct 2019 #62
That only applies if sharing the same risk pool, in this case you wouldn't... Humanist_Activist Oct 2019 #69
MFA is same coverage for all, but it covers more than current Medicare does. (n/t) thesquanderer Oct 2019 #79
Patients Die While Docs on Hold crazytown Oct 2019 #45
Did you sign up here just to say that? Newest Reality Oct 2019 #6
Peace unto you also! Tennessee Tuxedo Oct 2019 #19
I see. Newest Reality Oct 2019 #24
I don't want to take the level of coverage you have away. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #7
He did not say "I've got mine" in the way you put it. He didn't say to hell with everyone else. wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #29
I disagree with your first part. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #31
Actually the op does say that in post 37. Voltaire2 Oct 2019 #90
I'm so sorry about your wife. Prayers for her and you and your family. As for Medicare For All, highplainsdem Oct 2019 #8
The only candidate that I believe would reject any modification to MFA Blue_true Oct 2019 #51
Dont worry the new health care will be just as good or better. Joe941 Oct 2019 #9
Union members will jump on that! Tennessee Tuxedo Oct 2019 #22
When will it be in place? On that magic day Bernie decides everything changes? Insurance companies wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #33
There is a 4 year transition Period in Bernie's Bill ritapria Oct 2019 #42
Why I think "Medicare for those who want it" is a winner, and MFA will cost us in GE. Hoyt Oct 2019 #11
When you're 65 you become eligible. SS and Medicare. A supplemental is up to you. YOHABLO Oct 2019 #23
Agree, but let's get everyone covered with subsidies where needed, first. Hoyt Oct 2019 #35
I have medical assistance I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2019 #61
Nothing is wrong with it, except it won't pass. I have Medicare and am glad to have it. If Hoyt Oct 2019 #71
Here , Here !! ritapria Oct 2019 #36
It's actually "hear, hear." cwydro Oct 2019 #70
I'm alright jack... ret5hd Oct 2019 #12
+10000 Celerity Oct 2019 #83
After lay-off: MFA now! MFA now! ret5hd Oct 2019 #14
Some folks can't afford prvt insurance. Should they be denied expensive antibiotics? YOHABLO Oct 2019 #18
Understand your concerns Tennessee Tuxedo Oct 2019 #37
Uhm, the risk pool would be huge, greatly reducing the individual costs associated with... Humanist_Activist Oct 2019 #55
'Will do what is necessary.' Celerity Oct 2019 #85
I see. You got yours, fork everyone else. Voltaire2 Oct 2019 #89
Agreed. Always think about and question an OP's statements. n/t MarcA Oct 2019 #99
I'm just checking in to wish your wife and you the absolute best. herding cats Oct 2019 #20
Thank you!! Tennessee Tuxedo Oct 2019 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author herding cats Oct 2019 #109
I hear you. Wife on disability 2 yrs forced to move from ACA health ins to medicare.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ IADEMO2004 Oct 2019 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author CountAllVotes Oct 2019 #80
Good dose of reality. MfA would of course need to be very different Hortensis Oct 2019 #102
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #110
That, and it would be not be finished within the next presidential Hortensis Oct 2019 #112
My oldest brother, who never really took care of his health while younger, has Blue_true Oct 2019 #30
I think you need to understand that all of the talk about healthcare are just proposals. Think back walkingman Oct 2019 #32
Proposals are what a candidate believes! Tennessee Tuxedo Oct 2019 #58
Just remember, it's Democrats who support unions who are then able to negotiate for top drawer Fla Dem Oct 2019 #93
So you'll vote for Trump then if you don't like the Dems on healthcare? BannonsLiver Oct 2019 #97
The problem that you have is that Trump would likely Blue_true Oct 2019 #38
Well I disagree ... GeorgeGist Oct 2019 #39
I'm fortunate that I could keep my insurance into retirement. captain queeg Oct 2019 #41
Yes that is correct CountAllVotes Oct 2019 #49
First...Welcome to DU pbmus Oct 2019 #43
The fact of the matter is this... Joe941 Oct 2019 #100
You misunderstand Medicare For All. You're not alone. Name your health insurer and chances are ancianita Oct 2019 #47
Medicare buy in. You get to keep your expensive plan that few have Freethinker65 Oct 2019 #54
Another point of view droidamus2 Oct 2019 #56
"Everyone else in her family died in months!" Amimnoch Oct 2019 #64
That why I think Buttigiegs plan kacekwl Oct 2019 #65
Warren Agrees That There Should Be an Option For Buying In DrFunkenstein Oct 2019 #73
Kudos to you for doing the right thing. Certainly hope your wife is better soon Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #75
Don't you and your union brothers forget who gave you demosincebirth Oct 2019 #81
Did you mean Lynch Syndrome? FreeState Oct 2019 #82
Cool story, bro. RandiFan1290 Oct 2019 #87
I'm with you lol. cwydro Oct 2019 #117
God bless your wife UncleNoel Oct 2019 #88
Can we agree that any democratic candidates health plan will be better... Joe941 Oct 2019 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #94
I could post all the stories from the tens of millions who couldn't afford private healthcare Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #101
I just made almost the same point about the tens of millions. I think we got trolled. Doodley Oct 2019 #104
You may be right Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #105
My wife needs surgery. We don't have insurance. M4A would save her life, but let's not talk about Doodley Oct 2019 #103
I'm so sorry about your wife renate Oct 2019 #116
On what grounds did you think your post would be banned? Just curious. nt LAS14 Oct 2019 #106
Obamacare was, and is, a big deal Gothmog Oct 2019 #113
 

LiberalArkie

(19,496 posts)
1. Note: Medicare does not stop you from having other medical insurance.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:12 PM
Oct 2019

I happen to have Medicare and Blue Cross Blue Shield.

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wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
21. Medicare does not pay if you have other insurance.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:39 PM
Oct 2019
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Sinistrous

(4,249 posts)
28. From personal experience, and a stack of medical bills
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:46 PM
Oct 2019

I am sure you are wrong on that. I have Medicare as my primary and a very good private insurance as my secondary. Medicare pays part of essentially every bill and my other insurance pays the rest.

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TomSlick

(12,940 posts)
34. You are, of course, correct.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:52 PM
Oct 2019

That's what Medicare supplemental policies are all about.

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Andy823

(11,555 posts)
63. Exactly!
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:41 PM
Oct 2019

Last year I had to go to the emergency room, cost was $15,000. Medicare paid, and my supplemental insurance paid all to rest, except $50.00. I have never had a problem with medicare, along with my supplemental.

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wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
77. You have a suplimental plan like I do
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 09:52 PM
Oct 2019

If your insurance is your primary it pays

I worked until I was 70. My employer plan was my primary. I had to report that to Medicare.


Part A did not pay and I did not have to get part B or D until I retired. Then I got part B and D and a suplimental plan also.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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volstork

(5,780 posts)
53. Not true.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:12 PM
Oct 2019

Supplemental insurance is carried by a large proportion of individuals who also have Medicare.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

SleeplessinSoCal

(10,379 posts)
84. The rules are more confusing all the time.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 02:44 AM
Oct 2019

My husband now has to be on an anticoagulant for fear of blood clots. Outrageous costs. This on top of costly meds for Alzheimers. Our Blue Cross through our union SAG has got weaker and weaker as we get older and more vulnerable. Even his sodium chloride tabs have skyrocketed in cost I just learned today. I'm cutting every drug I can for myself. But he needs all of his as he is older.

No matter what we do, we on fixed incomes are in trouble. I think Warren has the best idea to slow walk our way to Medicare4all. We need trustworthy people in charge of assessing costs and advising our next POTUS. It is a matter of life and death.

Best to you and your wife.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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lark

(25,962 posts)
91. Way wrong!
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:51 AM
Oct 2019

I just retired from medical billing and in fact MOST people on Medicare have 2ndary coverage, it's totally standard. There are huge amounts of people who have Medicare/Tricare and Medicare/Medicaid. I myself had BCBS/Medicare until I retired. Medicare is 2ndary when you have primary insurance through your work. It's so extremely common that they have automated the cross claims so the claim goes directly to the 2ndary payer once Medicare has paid/adjudicated it so the provider doesn't have to send a 2ndary claim.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LiberalArkie

(19,496 posts)
115. I have medicare being over 65, your have to have medicare as 1st payer and BCBS picks up
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 10:49 AM
Oct 2019

what Medicare doesn't. I am 71.

I was working when I turned 65 and had to go on medicare with my employers insurance as 2nd payer,

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

thesquanderer

(12,922 posts)
59. "Medicare for all" does not mean Medicare as it is now,
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:37 PM
Oct 2019

but rather an enhanced Medicare that is also part of the proposal.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
76. Thank you for your 19th post Tennessee Tuxedo!
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 09:42 PM
Oct 2019

I hope your wife remains healthy for a long time. All the best to you and her!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Omaha Steve

(108,723 posts)
95. So do I
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 11:18 AM
Oct 2019

Medicare pays FIRST. Then BCBS kicks in.

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pnwpolicy

(32 posts)
2. You seem to like the care your spouse received
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:12 PM
Oct 2019

That's great! Your insurance company hasn't performed the care that has kept your loved one alive. Any entity can be the financial medium.

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Tennessee Tuxedo

(36 posts)
10. The point is under my Cadillac Health plan their was no issues!
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:25 PM
Oct 2019

All was paid for! Stay away from my health insurance for my family! The party will not fair so well unless they back off hard!!

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pnwpolicy

(32 posts)
13. *there were no issues
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:30 PM
Oct 2019

We're coming to make you healthier, boo

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uppityperson

(116,002 posts)
16. I am curious, did you get it through work? How much a month was it
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:33 PM
Oct 2019

from you and from your employer, if through work? Approximate is fine.

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Tennessee Tuxedo

(36 posts)
108. Yes through work
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 05:02 PM
Oct 2019

I pay just under $ 500 a month, so say 6 grand a year. My employer pays last time I checked about $ 19, 000 a year so the plan is $25,000 a year.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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uppityperson

(116,002 posts)
111. Wow, good for your employer. Mine doesn't offer anything like that.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 05:51 PM
Oct 2019

Best wishes to your wife.

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Ztolkins

(433 posts)
17. How much do you pay for it?
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:34 PM
Oct 2019

A few years back I broke my neck. Required 2 massive surgeries, 5 month hospital stay and will need stuff from the health care industry forever.

Every cent was paid for by a universal health care plan. I've yet to see an invoice from a hospital, doctor, or any other specialist. I fail to see why this sucks and wont get democrats elected.

Look, it's okay, the U.S can have nice things and not be a communist country. It'll be okay.,

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CountAllVotes

(22,149 posts)
57. I had a similar plan
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:29 PM
Oct 2019

Disability retired a number of years ago.

After two years of this status, my paid for lots of things insurance (and yes represented by a union) changed to Medicare.

I have A & B now.

At times they have picked up the cost.

At other times throughout the years I've had to come up with $400.00 a month or more.

I live from one year to the next hoping that the union I am in will negotiate a good policy for the retirees.

It sucks not knowing what to expect as my pension is abt. nil through no fault of mine (aka got dumped after DX).

Wish you the best and yes, I do understand but once I qualified I had no choice but to sign-up or forfeit the benefits being received. You must provide proof twice a year of eligibility.

Lesson: DO NOT GET SICK !!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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BannonsLiver

(20,317 posts)
96. So in other words
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 11:28 AM
Oct 2019

I got mine so to hell with everyone else? Remind me where I’ve heard that before.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Tennessee Tuxedo

(36 posts)
15. She was taken into
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:31 PM
Oct 2019

The research program at the U of M because she is a freak!! They have no idea why she is alive?? My girl is a warrior! My insurance gave her a battlefield to fight on!! Nobody is taking that from her! Party is irrelevant!!

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yardwork

(69,111 posts)
48. Nobody in the Democratic Party is trying to take it away from her.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:06 PM
Oct 2019

We're trying to make sure that everybody else gets the same coverage.

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
5. ...
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:17 PM
Oct 2019

Those who private health insurers have failed the most, are not with us to tell their stories .

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emmaverybo

(8,148 posts)
25. The point is for those whose insurance has NOT failed, but rather, made a difference, to have a
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:41 PM
Oct 2019

choice. We can get everyone covered and still leave choices open,

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
50. What choices? Only those with means have a choice...
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:10 PM
Oct 2019

most people get their care through their employer or some group policy they may qualify for. I've never had a choice yet, waiting for new insurance to kick in due to a new promotion, but I never chose that coverage.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,148 posts)
66. Yes. Many do and these are the policies some want to keep. In some cases the employer pays
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:58 PM
Oct 2019

a good share of the premium. Some of these policies give excellent coverage and are affordable.
Some people can choose between plans. Also, in retirement some of these plans can carry over. In some cases, the premium is then covered and the Medicare fee, by the retirement benefits. Those
who are vested can get retirement benefits much earlier than Medicare kicks in and for life.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
68. What percentage of the population actually has this choice?
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 09:03 PM
Oct 2019

I've never heard of people in my class(the working poor) having such a choice. For most of us, if employers don't provide insurance, then we have a choice of some subsidized plans on the exchange, but that's about it, barring disability or possibly qualifying for Medicaid, which in my state is damn near impossible.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,148 posts)
72. Unions negotiated some very good deals. People took lower pay to get the deals. I am not pulling
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 09:25 PM
Oct 2019

for any class of people or suggesting working poor not get coverage. I am explaining, as the OP tried to, why some strongly want choice. Retired teachers. State workers. Union members.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

CountAllVotes

(22,149 posts)
78. I was one of them
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 10:14 PM
Oct 2019

Working for $8/hr. during the AIDS crisis typing grants all day.

I barely made enough to pay the rent, I kid you not.

But, I had good benefits.



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Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
86. So a minority, is what you are saying, and a largely privileged one at that...
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:38 AM
Oct 2019

I'm all for Unionization, my BIL is a Union man, but, unless the laws change to aid in Unionization efforts, most of us have to deal with what the majority of the working poor deal with, working non-union jobs with non-union benefits(if they exist at all). I guess we should hope not to get sick.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,148 posts)
98. There are several options for getting to universal healthcare coverage. M4All is but one and will
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 12:08 PM
Oct 2019

not be immediately implemented.

Why wouldn’t people want to stay on a plan they like or have their retirement benefits continue to provide them with affordable good quality coverage? These folks are not the privileged few. That’s the problem Warren and Sanders will run into in the GE. Millions of folks want a choice, just as is offered in some single-payer countries.

Proponents of M4All need to factor in these millions instead of dismissing them as elitists or few in number. The actual number could make the difference between winning and losing the election.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
114. They are few in number, at least from what I can tell...
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 07:28 AM
Oct 2019

People "like" their insurance when they don't have a choice, after all. Not to mention being frightened of losing it, which is a very real fear that I understand.

Most people get insurance through their employers, employers that are not democratically controlled by the employees, so they have very little choice there. Usually, if there is a choice, it will be between a few different plans offered by the same insurance company, and that's it. Of those who can go on the exchanges, those are curated and restricted "markets" at best, with, again, a few choices, particularly for certain affordability considerations. Markets don't really exist in health insurance, nor can they, in a practical way, the so called "Marketplace" for such things is very restricted.

That's why I find this whole argument to be disingenuous at best. People fear change, they don't want to lose health insurance and they have been conditioned(propagandized) to be fearful of government intervention and programs for decades. The fact that M4A has anything above 10% approval is amazing to me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
27. What does that even mean? There is no one size fits all solution to health care.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:44 PM
Oct 2019
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
44. You won't get an answer. If you do, it will be about fairy dust and you being evil
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:00 PM
Oct 2019

for being ok with people dying because of no health insurance.

A good system would 100% cover people that have bad health insurance, but leave people that are satisfied with their coverage alone.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
52. Those with "bad" insurance will have to be subsidized by everyone else...
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:12 PM
Oct 2019

how would that work, practically?

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
60. I am ok with subsidies so that people get better health insurance.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:38 PM
Oct 2019

At least then the costs are known and measurable. Now we subsidize healthcare at unknown and inpredictable levels. When a person that has no insurances or bad insurance shows up at an emergency room and can't pay the bill, who do you think pays? How about a person that don't make regular visits to the doctor because of no or poor insurance and ends up with a previously untreated illness - you think it is cheap when that person DOES get medical care?

Everything has a cost. I prefer systems where the costs are known.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
67. How are the costs "known"? Hell, with employer provided health insurance, our costs increased...
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 09:01 PM
Oct 2019

sometimes drastically, from year to year. One time it got so bad, my employer switched insurances twice in a year, breaking a contract or two in the process.

In addition, medical pricing and pharmaceutical pricing are mostly complete mysteries, and especially when related to hospital costs, its also quite arbitrary as well.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
74. The "unknown" that you listed exists regardless of insurance.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 09:31 PM
Oct 2019

But, with good insurance coverage, there is a better gauge of their costs or potential costs. A large body health plan can negotiate to bring down drug costs, when I worked in corporate America, my company had some of us in a health plan that had several million members in the extended region, the plan negotiated directly with drug companies and used it's size to bring down the price we paid for drugs. Did some poor souls get screwed because my plan used it's muscle on drug companies, likely, but having those souls in a broad based membership health plan increases their power over what they pay for drugs.

In sort, having all people properly covered is better than any alternative.

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thesquanderer

(12,922 posts)
62. That is the definition of how insurance works.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:39 PM
Oct 2019

Those who receive the covered services are subsidized by people who don't.

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Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
69. That only applies if sharing the same risk pool, in this case you wouldn't...
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 09:05 PM
Oct 2019

it would be Cadillac coverage for some, and subsidized coverage, on some level, for others.

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thesquanderer

(12,922 posts)
79. MFA is same coverage for all, but it covers more than current Medicare does. (n/t)
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 10:41 PM
Oct 2019
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Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
6. Did you sign up here just to say that?
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:18 PM
Oct 2019

Welcome to DU, but, I think context is an issue here.

I don't go by anecdotal evidence or appeals to popularity. They don't sway me and I am well aware of the issues and controversies concerning healthcare. Your intentions are questionable and what a title.

Enjoy your stay.

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Tennessee Tuxedo

(36 posts)
19. Peace unto you also!
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:37 PM
Oct 2019

I relayed what actually happen with my wife. Also said I expect to get banned for bringing it up. Do what you are compelled to do and leave me alone, sound fair??

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Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
24. I see.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:41 PM
Oct 2019

Yes, you did. You didn't really have to use a provocative title in order to accomplish that, did you? That seems to be suspect and I am sure you can understand that, even though you are new here.

Now, I am responding. You have posted publicly and have not been banned, yet. I think that demonstrates open-mindedness.

Considering this is a forum, asking me to leave you alone bringing up fairness is not really applicable. You did make the point and the posts and I would expect you might receive comments that you may not agree with.

Fair?

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TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
7. I don't want to take the level of coverage you have away.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:18 PM
Oct 2019

I want to bring everyone else up to it.

Just like civil rights. I’m looking to level the playing field by bringing the oppressed up, not bringing others down.

I got mine doesn’t make an argument.

Best wishes to you and yours.

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wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
29. He did not say "I've got mine" in the way you put it. He didn't say to hell with everyone else.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:48 PM
Oct 2019

The prejudice on the left is not particularly helpful.

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TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
31. I disagree with your first part.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:50 PM
Oct 2019

Agree with your second.

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Voltaire2

(15,377 posts)
90. Actually the op does say that in post 37.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 07:07 AM
Oct 2019

Pretty much the standard rwtp.

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highplainsdem

(60,895 posts)
8. I'm so sorry about your wife. Prayers for her and you and your family. As for Medicare For All,
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:21 PM
Oct 2019

we're a long way from the nomination, most of our candidates don't support MFA and getting rid of all private insurance, and even if we elected one who did, there's very little chance MFA could get through Congress. The most likely outcome of any Democrat winning the 2020 election would be a public option added to Obamacare. Sort of Medicare for all who want it.

The greatest danger to your continuing to have good insurance is Trump's re-election. (Plus there's all the stress he causes all Democrats, which doesn't help our health.)

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
51. The only candidate that I believe would reject any modification to MFA
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:11 PM
Oct 2019

is Senator Sanders. I believe that Senator Warren at heart is a pragmatist, she will use the threat of MFA to get something that is as close to it as politically possible.

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Joe941

(2,848 posts)
9. Dont worry the new health care will be just as good or better.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:23 PM
Oct 2019

Having said that private insurance must go.

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Tennessee Tuxedo

(36 posts)
22. Union members will jump on that!
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:40 PM
Oct 2019

They will vote to fuck themselves!

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wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
33. When will it be in place? On that magic day Bernie decides everything changes? Insurance companies
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:51 PM
Oct 2019

close their doors, their stock goes to zero, employees are put out of work. Oh Joy! Bernie knows best!

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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
42. There is a 4 year transition Period in Bernie's Bill
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:56 PM
Oct 2019

If Canada can deliver the goods , so can we

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
11. Why I think "Medicare for those who want it" is a winner, and MFA will cost us in GE.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:26 PM
Oct 2019

Take care.

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YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
23. When you're 65 you become eligible. SS and Medicare. A supplemental is up to you.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:40 PM
Oct 2019

What we need to do is get rid of having to buy a supplemental in order to pay for our medical needs. We also should include in Medicare vision and dental healthcare.

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
35. Agree, but let's get everyone covered with subsidies where needed, first.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:52 PM
Oct 2019

Dental is going to add $200 to $400 Billion to the cost per year, covering copays, etc., even more. When the chances of passing a Public Option is questionable, piling on additional costs lessens chances.

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I_UndergroundPanther

(13,351 posts)
61. I have medical assistance
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:39 PM
Oct 2019

I am disabled I can't pay for my healthcare because I live off 700 a month. I can barely survive.. without medical assistance I would be dead.
What's wrong with a univesal plan that would cover everyone everywhere with no co pays, premiums or rejections?
You got yours,there are far more people who do not have union jobs who need help too.What would you do if you got fired tommorow? You would not have your plan than. At least with Universal health Care you'd be ok if you got fired insurance wise
As it stands you depend upon a rich pig to be charitable..

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
71. Nothing is wrong with it, except it won't pass. I have Medicare and am glad to have it. If
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 09:17 PM
Oct 2019

If I couldn't afford a supplemental policy, Medicaid would likely pick up my coinsurance, deductibles, and even Part D coverage. I think that is true in most states, but apparently not yours.

I'd like everyone to have at least have Medicare type coverage if they need it, with subsidies and Medicaid for cost-sharing for those at lower incomes. I don't believe 100% coverage, with dental, etc., for everyone will pass anytime soon. That's just a reality.

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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
36. Here , Here !!
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:54 PM
Oct 2019

Well Said and to the point

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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
70. It's actually "hear, hear."
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 09:12 PM
Oct 2019

I see that all the time.

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ret5hd

(22,351 posts)
12. I'm alright jack...
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:29 PM
Oct 2019

keep your hands off my stack.

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YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
18. Some folks can't afford prvt insurance. Should they be denied expensive antibiotics?
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:35 PM
Oct 2019

How do you know M4A would not cover it? I wish you and your family well.

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Tennessee Tuxedo

(36 posts)
37. Understand your concerns
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:54 PM
Oct 2019

The answer to your question is I am paying for top notch insurance! If all 320 million people in the United States are on the same plan with one doorway in and one doorway out then can you see the problems that will arise??

All I want is to keep my private insurance, that is goal one with me because my wife's life is in the balance! Will do what is necessary.

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Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
55. Uhm, the risk pool would be huge, greatly reducing the individual costs associated with...
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:21 PM
Oct 2019

premiums and copays.

Do you know how insurance works?

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Celerity

(54,007 posts)
85. 'Will do what is necessary.'
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 03:01 AM
Oct 2019

What does that mean?



You already said ( https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287299871#post15 )

Party is irrelevant!!



and https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287299871


This transcends party and is the new 3rd rail!!


and

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287299871#post10

The party will not fair so well unless they back off hard!!



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Voltaire2

(15,377 posts)
89. I see. You got yours, fork everyone else.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 07:02 AM
Oct 2019

Yeah it sure would be messed up with everyone having access to healthcare.

Wtf.

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MarcA

(2,195 posts)
99. Agreed. Always think about and question an OP's statements. n/t
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 12:39 PM
Oct 2019
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herding cats

(19,997 posts)
20. I'm just checking in to wish your wife and you the absolute best.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:39 PM
Oct 2019

I could feel your love for her in your words. You then touched my heart.

Peace, love and more unprecedented achievements for both of you on the future. (Hugs)

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IADEMO2004

(6,381 posts)
26. I hear you. Wife on disability 2 yrs forced to move from ACA health ins to medicare.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:42 PM
Oct 2019

Disabled under 65 in Iowa get one choice of supplemental insurance. Preexisting protections don't cover medicare supplemental plans. We hit max out of pocket in 30 days with ACA. Medicare Formulary book of covered drugs is a black hole for family funds. Dr. orders drug not in the book insurance pays zero. Tier system of preferred drugs listed leave you with up to half of the cost.

I'm retired on medicare with supplemental benefit plan much better than hers since I'm healthy. Great deal as long as I don't get sick.
Medicare needs a bunch of tweaking.

All insurance need to cover first dollar medical care so small issues get treatment.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
102. Good dose of reality. MfA would of course need to be very different
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 01:07 PM
Oct 2019

from Medicare. It'd have to be because what it is is very inadequate. And that makes the unquestioning trust people are placing in a familiar label -- instead of considering the new rogram that'd take several years to turn into something people could try out -- very mis-placed.

Especially since under Sanders' version, for almost all there'd be NO choice. Take it or do without.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
112. That, and it would be not be finished within the next presidential
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:50 PM
Oct 2019

term. It'd take at least 7 years to write, pass legislation, and then begin the implementation process (which Sanders estimates would take 5 years). Even assuming we have a Democratic congress and president to start it in 2021, should we also just happily assume the same will be true for 2023 and 2025, likely 2027?

There's real danger power would shift to the Republicans before it was finished.

This even more should also be pointed out to the electorate. In case they decided they just wanted to make additions to the ACA that was already strongly integrated into the warp and woof of our nation's healthcare.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
30. My oldest brother, who never really took care of his health while younger, has
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:50 PM
Oct 2019

had a number of extensive hospitalizations. He has never gotten a bill for a nickel, his insurance has paid for it all.

Private insurance does have it's issues, we need to focus on fixing those instead of trashing the entire system. Speaker Pelosi seems to be in the "let's fix what is wrong but keep the foundation" camp. So am I.

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walkingman

(10,520 posts)
32. I think you need to understand that all of the talk about healthcare are just proposals. Think back
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:51 PM
Oct 2019

to when Obamacare was passed. Also realize that under a GOP administration, especially Trump again, everything you have ever thought about your retirement is on the line. The GOP has tried for over 50 years to eliminate, privatize, or cut almost every social program that exists. That is reality.

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Tennessee Tuxedo

(36 posts)
58. Proposals are what a candidate believes!
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:32 PM
Oct 2019

Will not comprise on my private healthcare! I have to care for my wife at all costs.

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Fla Dem

(27,495 posts)
93. Just remember, it's Democrats who support unions who are then able to negotiate for top drawer
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 09:24 AM
Oct 2019

Last edited Sat Oct 5, 2019, 11:28 AM - Edit history (1)

medical ins. The RW has destroyed unions in may places, "Right to Work States" are anathema to unions. Here are the the "Right to Work" states, the red ones. Not surprising where they are. Many companies moved to these states to diminish the influence of unions and in many cases end unions. As a result many employees don't have the option of good medical insurance. Or they pay out of pocket for minimal benefits.



So you're very fortunate to have such wonderful medical insurance. If only all American could share in that blessing.

I am sorry for your wife's situation and hope she continues to have positive outcomes with her treatment.

I also wish that for all wives, mothers, husbands, fathers, sons and daughters.

That's what Democrats are fighting for and Republicans are fighting against.

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BannonsLiver

(20,317 posts)
97. So you'll vote for Trump then if you don't like the Dems on healthcare?
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 11:31 AM
Oct 2019

Also curious as to what gave you the idea that you are a Democrat or progressive? Honest question. Not intended to be snarky.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
38. The problem that you have is that Trump would likely
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:54 PM
Oct 2019

throw you and your family to the wolves. I don't like the concept of MFA as it is being presented (eliminate private insurance), but if it came down to a choice between a stout MFA proponent and Trump, I will select the MFA proponent without a milli-second of thought.

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GeorgeGist

(25,570 posts)
39. Well I disagree ...
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:54 PM
Oct 2019

I've been on Medicare for 6 years and have had better care than I did with BCBS.

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captain queeg

(11,780 posts)
41. I'm fortunate that I could keep my insurance into retirement.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:55 PM
Oct 2019

I retired at 62. I haven’t looked into Medicare because I’m happy with what I have. Someone told me the other day when I turned 65 I’d have to get on Medicare and if I kept what I have currently it would become my secondary insurance. But since Medicare would be my primary, there are facilities that won’t take Medicare patients and so I couldn’t go there. I’d never heard that before and not sure it is correct. Anyone have experience with this?

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CountAllVotes

(22,149 posts)
49. Yes that is correct
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:10 PM
Oct 2019

You must enroll in Medicare A if you are 65 years old OR permanently and totally disabled (this can occur at any age obviously).



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pbmus

(13,141 posts)
43. First...Welcome to DU
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:59 PM
Oct 2019

Second...you won’t get banned for expressing your opinions if you aren’t attacking members, you will get banned for trolling...

You are not trolling, you are expressing your opinion., and experience..

Good to hear your wife is doing well..and that your insurance is paying...others insurance is. Not

Thanks again for a passionate post experience...

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Joe941

(2,848 posts)
100. The fact of the matter is this...
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 12:50 PM
Oct 2019

Some people have excellent insurance but a lot of people have poor or no insurance. For the good of everone private insurance must end so that we all may have good insurance. Those are the facts and that is how it must be.

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ancianita

(43,164 posts)
47. You misunderstand Medicare For All. You're not alone. Name your health insurer and chances are
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:02 PM
Oct 2019

that they already work with Medicare.

The top 10+ health insurers already working with Medicare will cover all areas of the U.S., so you and everyone else can have job mobility and any other mobility in the future.

Reimbursements will be made through the Single Payer you now don't have -- it's called Medicare -- instead of by your current insurer. Your premiums will go down. Seniors love it. I love it.

Current insurers working with Medicare (which I've seen through my pension Open Enrollment charts over the years, and could be others) are Blue Cross/Blue Shield, United Healthcare, Kaiser, Humana, Aetna, Cigna, Anthem, Emblem and Select, and a number of others.

The health delivery will not be different, but under uniform quality standards -- usually the Plan F level in Medicare, where you pay nothing. Nothing. Anywhere you go.

So don't keep thinking it's a fools gambit. It's just not.

Why? Because all uninsured humans, employer insured humans -- everybody in, nobody out -- are paid by Medicare, no matter which health care subcontractor delivers the health care. People are confused because big pharma and other health insurers who may fold are lying to the public. Period. Lying.


There's no need for you to worry about any forced transfer away from the medical insurer or care system you're in. The structure of Medicare, insurers' paperwork and direct services exist in all fifty states.

Costs go down because inflationary, overlapping services are eliminated to be only 4% overhead, which is at least 10% lower than current health insurers' current overhead administrative costs.

Thus, Medicare For All.

Hope that helps. Hang in there. The solid structures of M4A are in place. Democrats know what they're doing. It's the rest of for-profit industry who don't want you to trust in it.

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Freethinker65

(11,202 posts)
54. Medicare buy in. You get to keep your expensive plan that few have
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:16 PM
Oct 2019

Everyone gets the opportunity to buy into Medicare as an option. Some want this option to be able to switch jobs or retire early or because Medicare provides more affordable care than they would otherwise have access to.

Would you agree to that?

If not, you are a single issue voter and have every right to be so, but there is no possibility of reasoning with you or debating the subject.

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droidamus2

(1,716 posts)
56. Another point of view
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:26 PM
Oct 2019

My wife was born with one kidney. When we moved across the country a number of years ago we were aware she was not feeling well but did not realize her one kidney was failing. We eventually went to the doctor and she was put on dialysis. She was on dialysis for 7.5 years and then received a kidney transplant. All of this (with hospital stays probably over a million dollars) was covered through Social Security/Medicare and Medicaid. Due to some complications she also received 5 years of government insurance. We had some small co-pays but everything else was covered just like it would be under M4A. After the 5 years (normally it would have been 3 years) we had to get private insurance which is now costing us 1000's of dollars a year. It is great that you have good insurance and I am happy for your wife but do not reject M4A out of hand as it would not only cover your wife but everybody's spouses, parents, children and friends.

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Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
64. "Everyone else in her family died in months!"
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:42 PM
Oct 2019

Maybe it’s just me, but if everyone in my family died in months due to shitty coverage, I wouldn’t be so damned happy about my own coverage.. one that is tied to my employment.

I guess you should also be happy that it wasn’t actually you with the disease, causing you to lose your job and your coverage had the disease afflicted yourself instead of your spouse.

I also have excellent coverage from my employer.
I am very thankful that I haven’t had the need to really test the extent of it as of this time for either myself or my husband.
I still champion an improved healthcare system because I realize that it’s not just about “me”, and I realize that having my excellent coverage tied to my employment still leaves me at risk for just 1 debilitating accident, one cancer, one heart disease, one kidney failure, or one any other major medical affliction away from losing both my income and said coverage.

Perhaps, if we get the right numbers elected to have the Senate and the House and the Executive, whichever program does get passed wouldn’t just still have the love of your life alive, but would also have some of her family that is now deceased due to not having the coverage still around.

We can 100% say that there is no Republican plan that would have saved her family.

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kacekwl

(8,999 posts)
65. That why I think Buttigiegs plan
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:46 PM
Oct 2019

Medicare for all who want it is the way to go. Or working off Obamacare and expanding it .

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DrFunkenstein

(8,900 posts)
73. Warren Agrees That There Should Be an Option For Buying In
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 09:29 PM
Oct 2019

"I’ve signed onto Medicare for All. I’ve signed on to another one that gives an option for buying in to Medicaid. There are different ways we can get there. But the key has to be always keep the center of the bullseye in mind. And that is affordable health care for every American."

https://slate.com/business/2019/01/elizabeth-warren-dodges-kamala-harris-medicare-for-all-question.html

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Thekaspervote

(35,816 posts)
75. Kudos to you for doing the right thing. Certainly hope your wife is better soon
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 09:40 PM
Oct 2019

Everyone should have health care, but m4a not for everyone

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demosincebirth

(12,819 posts)
81. Don't you and your union brothers forget who gave you
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 12:40 AM
Oct 2019

Social security and Medicare - plus laws protecting your collective bargaining. It was never, ever the Republicans. I hope your wife lives to a ripe old age.

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FreeState

(10,702 posts)
82. Did you mean Lynch Syndrome?
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 02:18 AM
Oct 2019

Did a search but couldn’t find Lynch disease.

One thing that sucks with Lynch Syndrome is after your diagnosis it’s pretty much impossible to get supplemental cancer insurance. Unfortunately I know this from experience.

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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
117. I'm with you lol.
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 02:27 PM
Oct 2019

Very cool story.

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UncleNoel

(864 posts)
88. God bless your wife
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:52 AM
Oct 2019

Glad to have you on board.

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Joe941

(2,848 posts)
92. Can we agree that any democratic candidates health plan will be better...
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 09:08 AM
Oct 2019

Than if we let the goppers make the plan?

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Bradshaw3

(7,964 posts)
101. I could post all the stories from the tens of millions who couldn't afford private healthcare
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 12:56 PM
Oct 2019

And whose family members died. But it woud use up all the bandwidth. Funny that health care was considered broken in 2008 by Dems but now it's a great system acoridng to some on here. Also funny that the poster is new.

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Doodley

(11,786 posts)
104. I just made almost the same point about the tens of millions. I think we got trolled.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 02:25 PM
Oct 2019
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Bradshaw3

(7,964 posts)
105. You may be right
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 04:04 PM
Oct 2019

We have to look out for that as 2020 nears. Sorry didn't see your post on the same topic.

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Doodley

(11,786 posts)
103. My wife needs surgery. We don't have insurance. M4A would save her life, but let's not talk about
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 02:23 PM
Oct 2019

the tens of millions without insurance. I am deeply offended by the OP.

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renate

(13,776 posts)
116. I'm so sorry about your wife
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 01:56 PM
Oct 2019

What a horrible situation. It shouldn’t be allowed to happen in a country that prides itself on how great it is. I wish you both the best.

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LAS14

(15,475 posts)
106. On what grounds did you think your post would be banned? Just curious. nt
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 04:09 PM
Oct 2019
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