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Beto needs to hire some lawyers on his campaign to advise him (Original Post) StarfishSaver Oct 2019 OP
Nothing unconstitutional about taking away tax exemption. nt liskddksil Oct 2019 #1
Taking tax exemptions away from ALL religious institutions isn't unconstitutional StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #5
The catholic church discriminates against women dawg day Oct 2019 #2
What? GeorgeGist Oct 2019 #3
My Twitter response... brooklynite Oct 2019 #4
Wow. Your response is just flat out wrong StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #6
It isn't equal protection; Churches have unique rights (again from the Internal Revenue code)... brooklynite Oct 2019 #7
You are so off-base, it's not worth even discussing it with you any further. StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #8
Go Beto. Keep it up. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #9
This is blatantly unconstitutional - not a close call - and proposing it makes him seem unserious StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #10
I don't think the last sentence in my post that you replied to... TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #11
It is. StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #12
lol. Solid. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #13
Churches that allow politicians The Mouth Oct 2019 #14
Also, beware the opposite, should the Republicans keep power. The Mouth Oct 2019 #15
Yes. StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #16
First, the 2nd Amendment, now the 1st. What next? aikoaiko Oct 2019 #17
 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
1. Nothing unconstitutional about taking away tax exemption. nt
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 02:24 PM
Oct 2019
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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
5. Taking tax exemptions away from ALL religious institutions isn't unconstitutional
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 02:54 PM
Oct 2019

Taking them away from certain ones based on their religious beliefs is.

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dawg day

(7,947 posts)
2. The catholic church discriminates against women
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 02:27 PM
Oct 2019

As well as gay people. Good luck taking them on.

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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
6. Wow. Your response is just flat out wrong
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 02:57 PM
Oct 2019

Tax exemption isn't a constitutional right. But it IS unconstitutional to deny equal protection of the law based on religious beliefs. Removing a tax exemption from certain churches based on their religious beliefs while allowing other churches to keep their exempt status because they have different religious beliefs is so blatantly unconstitutional, I'm surprised that has to even be explained.

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brooklynite

(95,303 posts)
7. It isn't equal protection; Churches have unique rights (again from the Internal Revenue code)...
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 03:04 PM
Oct 2019

...and are not required to meet the same requirements as other 501(c)(3) institutions.

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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
8. You are so off-base, it's not worth even discussing it with you any further.
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 03:07 PM
Oct 2019
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TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
9. Go Beto. Keep it up.
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 03:41 PM
Oct 2019

A lot of policies put forward often contain things that are unconstitutional. When new and large legislation is passed we have often seen parts of them struck down as being unconstitutional in the courts, no matter the party.

I'm not convinced that this would be unconstitutional though he should have simply said "religious institutions." I do know it will not happen.

I'm pretty confident that it can be added to the tax code that any church opposing human or civil rights will lose the benefits of being a tax exempt organization(followed up with an understanding of human and civil rights).

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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
10. This is blatantly unconstitutional - not a close call - and proposing it makes him seem unserious
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 03:56 PM
Oct 2019
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TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
11. I don't think the last sentence in my post that you replied to...
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 04:02 PM
Oct 2019

is "blatantly unconstitutional."

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The Mouth

(3,180 posts)
14. Churches that allow politicians
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 04:11 PM
Oct 2019

to use their pulpit, and/or expound on how one should vote should lose it for sure. I don't care *WHO* they let speak or what view they preach.

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The Mouth

(3,180 posts)
15. Also, beware the opposite, should the Republicans keep power.
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 04:16 PM
Oct 2019

If Beto could enact this, Trump could enact taking tax exemption away from any church that *SUPPORTS* LGBTQ rights, or racial equality, or taking in refugees, etc.

Taking tax exempt status away base simply on the POSITIONS taken by a church is a very very dangerous path; especially since some churches I know take in and provide for people of undocumented status, it would be far less of a stretch to remove tax exempt status for 'any organization that hinders the enforcement of immigration laws', for example.

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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
16. Yes.
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 04:52 PM
Oct 2019

There's a difference between opposing a law or view because of a religious beliefs, and "hindering" laws, which is illegal.

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aikoaiko

(34,187 posts)
17. First, the 2nd Amendment, now the 1st. What next?
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 11:51 PM
Oct 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
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