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George II

(67,782 posts)
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:20 AM Oct 2019

"I am tired of seeing Democrats defend a dysfunctional health care system"

THAT was the subject line of an email from Sanders this morning. That is NOT going to get votes from many Democrats!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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"I am tired of seeing Democrats defend a dysfunctional health care system" (Original Post) George II Oct 2019 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #1
From the campaign that compared Biden's healthcare proposal... TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #2
Right, the WORST terrorist attack on our country. That was the work of David Sirota. George II Oct 2019 #3
It's only going to get worse. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #6
The emphasis should be that we are already spending too much money and being ripped off. brewens Oct 2019 #4
"We" aren't going to do anything like that. We are going to improve on the ACA. That is the wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #9
i'm thinking a very attractive public option where workers can opt that their money, that brewens Oct 2019 #10
Yes and if the lose that job they do not lose coverage while they are unemployed. Premiums would be wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #12
It's not taking away peoples health care if it runs the insurance companies out of brewens Oct 2019 #17
I think insurance companies should be regulated more. It is within our ability to remove the bad wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #20
Could have been written by any one of his toadies. wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #5
It got my vote Dorn Oct 2019 #7
I've met many. Unfortunately many who don't "like" our current health care system.... George II Oct 2019 #11
I agree. (Alhough, Bernie is far from my first pick). Can someone explain to me? Shell_Seas Oct 2019 #8
Plenty of DUers are defensive of our healthcare system and do not want to change it. LonePirate Oct 2019 #13
I think most if not all DUers want to improve what is called the "healthcare system". George II Oct 2019 #15
Sanders is dissing Obama - AGAIN BlueMississippi Oct 2019 #14
I'm tired of seeing it too. aidbo Oct 2019 #16
I suspect Sirota to be a republican and/or Russian agent PhoenixDem Oct 2019 #18
K&R nt NYMinute Oct 2019 #19
Sanders' plan would take a good 7 years to roll out, 5 years Hortensis Oct 2019 #21
Why does Bernie always define every problem as caused by Democrats. Blue_true Oct 2019 #22
Folks, we have to be smarter than this. herding cats Oct 2019 #23

Response to George II (Original post)

 

TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
2. From the campaign that compared Biden's healthcare proposal...
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:24 AM
Oct 2019

To a terrorist attack.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
3. Right, the WORST terrorist attack on our country. That was the work of David Sirota.
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:26 AM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
6. It's only going to get worse.
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:31 AM
Oct 2019

It’s clear to me that they feel Democrats stupidity is the only reason they aren’t running away with it. Entitlement turned up to level 10.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brewens

(13,582 posts)
4. The emphasis should be that we are already spending too much money and being ripped off.
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:28 AM
Oct 2019

One way or another, things have to shake out so we get health care for what we can afford to pay. If that means we cut out the middlemen and insurance company execs are out of a job, so be it. They do a crappy job for us anyway.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
9. "We" aren't going to do anything like that. We are going to improve on the ACA. That is the
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:32 AM
Oct 2019

fastest way to get "health care for what we can afford to pay." And it is the fastest way to get to universal health care.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

brewens

(13,582 posts)
10. i'm thinking a very attractive public option where workers can opt that their money, that
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:39 AM
Oct 2019

their employers put into their healthcare, can instead be paid to get them into the public plan and as long as they work at that company.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
12. Yes and if the lose that job they do not lose coverage while they are unemployed. Premiums would be
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 10:03 AM
Oct 2019

paid for them until they get back to work. The same if they were on parental leave or long term disability.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

brewens

(13,582 posts)
17. It's not taking away peoples health care if it runs the insurance companies out of
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 10:49 AM
Oct 2019

business. They could always do whatever it takes to be competitive, even if it means going not for profit and firing their overpaid execs.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
20. I think insurance companies should be regulated more. It is within our ability to remove the bad
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 03:55 PM
Oct 2019

and keep the good.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
5. Could have been written by any one of his toadies.
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:29 AM
Oct 2019

I think that kind of bull shit is meant to keep Bernie's base hanging in there. It helps them feel like they are the holy crusaders going against the big bad establishment.

Bernie is old news. His campaign hangs in there out of pure hatred and meanness.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Dorn

(523 posts)
7. It got my vote
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:32 AM
Oct 2019

I've never met anyone who likes our current health care system.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
11. I've met many. Unfortunately many who don't "like" our current health care system....
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:49 AM
Oct 2019

....don't really understand how it works.

Many confuse "health care" with "health care insurance", two distinctly different things.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Shell_Seas

(3,333 posts)
8. I agree. (Alhough, Bernie is far from my first pick). Can someone explain to me?
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:32 AM
Oct 2019

Why does anyone feel as if they would rather keep the private healthcare option, where they are paying a company money to profit on whether you are sick, or get the healthcare when you need it?

As someone who was a young teen mom and went over a decade with no health insurance at all, had been on private insurance, have gotten insurance through the exchange, AND gotten Medicaid from the state during my pregnancy...I can't figure it out for the life of me.

Even if you are one of the lucky ones who DO get health insurance through your job, most times you still have to be rich to afford the things that health insurance won't cover. Have an emergency surgery or a kid that has an accident, you may still be making payments 10 years later. I hate the healthcare in this country.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LonePirate

(13,419 posts)
13. Plenty of DUers are defensive of our healthcare system and do not want to change it.
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 10:23 AM
Oct 2019

Between them and unanimous opposition on the right, those of us on the left who want to improve healthcare in this country have a tough road ahead.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
15. I think most if not all DUers want to improve what is called the "healthcare system".
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 10:26 AM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueMississippi

(776 posts)
14. Sanders is dissing Obama - AGAIN
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 10:25 AM
Oct 2019

Wasn't trying to primary Obama enough?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
16. I'm tired of seeing it too.
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 10:36 AM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

PhoenixDem

(581 posts)
18. I suspect Sirota to be a republican and/or Russian agent
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 10:52 AM
Oct 2019

He should be investigated.

Nina Turner is stupid and probably on meth. Brihana Joy-Grey is just plain brainwashed -- but Sirota is the evil one who works to defeat Democrats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. Sanders' plan would take a good 7 years to roll out, 5 years
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 04:51 PM
Oct 2019

AFTER THE PLAN OF THOUSANDS OF PAGES WAS WRITTEN AND PASSED to fully implement by his OWN estimate. That's presuming it would be. Note that it could not be completed and in place within one presidential term, and the Republican leadership is determined to destroy all national healthcare plans.

In the meantime, though, Sander has already started voting to block improvements to the ACA to make it what it was always intended to be -- for purely political reasons. People already really like the ACA. Every improvement would lower support for the comparable plan that he is styling as HIS, not the Democratic Party's.

The last bill he joined McConnel to block in the senate would have lowered premiums, increased coverages, and made other improvements.

This is all part of why I regard what he's doing as highly immoral and harmful. Potentially disastrously so, but we're not going to let him gamble with our healthcare.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
22. Why does Bernie always define every problem as caused by Democrats.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 12:02 AM
Oct 2019

He could have said that he is tired of seeing "PEOPLE" defend a bad healthcare system. But he chose to put the blame only on democrats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
23. Folks, we have to be smarter than this.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 12:16 AM
Oct 2019

2020 is going to be much tougher than some people anticipate.

Focus, this isn't going to be the cake walk some seem to think it will. This is a referendum on Trump, not a pick nits moment for Dems. Got it?!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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