What Clinton put out there makes no sense politically.

[TidalWave46]

Is she right? Probably. Gabbard leaves red flags all over the field. Seems that most of us have been wondering what she is up to and I think few understand these things like Clinton.

But politically, Gabbard just got a huge boost for third party run.

One thing I like about it is that I suspect we will be hearing more and more from Clinton. Few of us have ever seen a Clinton who is not politically calculated. If I’m correct that she has given up all fucks, I’m looking forward to it. I truly believe she grasps the big picture better than just about anyone out there.

Punching down is going to elevate Gabbard. Remember, significant elevation of Gabbard only really means ten thousand votes here, a couple thousand there, and states can be lost.

Clinton is one of the most powerful politicians I’ve ever seen. She moved our parties platform further left, than its been in over half a century, she brought millions of our most vulnerable healthcare, been deep in it for a long time. Powerful First Lady, Senator, SOS, amazing mother and has had billions spent against her by those who fear her. Few could have done what she has, IMO.

I look forward to hearing more from her. Seems that what she is going to be saying might not be politically expedient in the short term. Unvarnished Hillary. I like the idea. But politically, might not like to hear each truth she drops. 😁

See you later Stein, Gabbard is not going to play VP on your little ticket.

[LawnKorn]

1. It makes sense if you take a different prospective.

Hillary Clinton is still an influential member of the Democratic National Convention. As such she is functioning to assist the DNC in picking their preferred candidate that we are all supposed to vote for.

(CLUE: Gabbard isn't it.)

[TidalWave46]

3. That would only make political sense if Gabbard had any clout in the party.

She doesn’t. Your point would require Gabbard to have support within the primary voting blocks.

[dem4decades]

4. Well she is actually a Democrat, unlike some.

[Hav]

5. That makes no sense at all

How is Gabbard even close to getting to the Dem nomination? According to you, Clinton saw the need to intervene that way to prevent Gabbard winning against their supposed preferrred candidate?

[TidalWave46]

7. Exactly.

But you see the thought process of some who this will work on. True conspiracy theorists.

[DownriverDem]

22. Wake up people

Just because you like a candidate, doesn't mean they can win. I have a feeling we are going to blow this.

[hlthe2b]

2. Most pundits I've read think it will do the opposite--cut off a Gabbard 3rd party run since to do so

would essentially prove HRC correct.

[TidalWave46]

6. If Clinton is correct in what she is saying...

That would play no role in anything. The decision to be a spoiler would have nothing to do with Clinton herself or the context of her message. She would be doing it to duck us.

[MaryMagdaline]

31. That's what I'm thinking

Call Gabbard out now. Let everyone know she’s a Russian asset. Let her back away from a third party candidacy.

[IronLionZion]

36. And minimize any liberal/Dem support if she does

so she wouldn't be spoiling it for our nominee too much

[Squinch]

8. What Clinton put out there was the gods' honest truth. So there's that. And in that respect, it

makes perfect sense.

[TidalWave46]

11. I have a huge amount of respect for it and am looking forward to more of it.

I hope I was clear in that context. Sorry if I wasn’t. My point on that is that sometimes the unvarnished truth is not immediately politically expedient. Most of the time it will be as the truth is on our side.

[TidalWave46]

12. I can't imagine being tired of one of the most politically accomplished women out there.

Someone who has been deeply involved at the highest level for decades.

Not wanting to hear drum such a uniquely qualified person is paramount to putting your fingers in your ears.

[Cha]

10. I agree with Victoria's analysis..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[TidalWave46]

15. The people who would vote for Gabbard will only be inspired by this.

I also think Tom Watson is worthy of being ignored.

[Cha]

23. We already know the kind of people who are

inspired by TG.

The important thing is Hillary outed her and Gabbard lost it.

Link to tweet

[TidalWave46]

25. Many who vote third party have "lost it."

She knows who she is speaking to. It isn’t us.

[Cha]

28. Of course not.. TG is paranoid.

[irisblue]

27. Good morning. Who is Tom Watson?

I'm confused, only 1 coffeee in; did you mean Tom Steyer?

[still_one]

13. Ever since the travesty in 2016 the wonderful pundunts have been spewing that "Hillary should just

go away and be quiet"

Well SCREW THAT. We had all their monogamous bullshit against Hillary through 2016, from "she is too shrill, angry all the time, never smiles, and far worse and vulgar slurs"

It is way past time for THEM to go away.

If anything the "me too" movement has brought to light enough is enough, and this shit will NOT be tolerated anymore

[TidalWave46]

16. I always want to hear from Clinton.

Those ass hats who want her to go away seem to fear strong women who are more intelligent and qualified to speak on the topics they are talking about.

[still_one]

26. Thanks. This was NOT directed to anyone here, I just venting my frustration. We are on the same page

[TidalWave46]

29. +1

I took it that way. People who want someone so uniquely qualified to discuss these topics to shut up really piss me of.

[beachbumbob]

14. the point of Hillary's comments is simply democrats can be bought and manipulated as well

We have 2016 proof with the "Bernie Bros" assault and the "not supporting the lesser of 2 evils". Where and who do people think came up with that slogan in the first place?

[TidalWave46]

19. That doesn't make sense as her point.

Gabbard has no support within the party. From the top or from voters. She isn’t a Sanders or a Clinton.

Additionally, there will always be voters who don’t support the nominee. Not all for political reasons. One has to have support in the first place. Then a larger block like the pumas or bro’s can be peeled off.

[DUgosh]

18. Hillary has hindsight & wisdom

And nothing to lose.

[TidalWave46]

20. She has a depth of knowledge in these areas that very few possess. NT

[Raven123]

21. Many assume HRC referred to Gabbard, including Gabbard

Why is that? Worth pondering.

Assuming HRC did refer to Gabbard, Gabbard took the bait and responded in tone and language to that was inflammatory and asserted a conspiracy. Frankly better exposed in full. Yes she will get attention. But not positive, I am guessing.

So far, the GOP is not willing to call out Trump on soliciting foreign interference from Ukraine. I suspect Russia is ecstatic over their opportunities in 2020. Someone has to sound the alarm. Who better than the former Sec of State who knows Putin and can speak from experience about the power of Russian interference.

Lastly, I could be wrong, but of those who voted 3rd party rather than Clinton in 2016, I would hope that the events of the past 3 years will convince them to do otherwise in 2020

[TidalWave46]

24. The last three years won't convince that crowd.

What other woman in our field do you think Clinton was talking about?

[Raven123]

33. If I understand you correctly...

2016 3rd party voters will not vote Dem, but 2020 voters currently considering voting for a Democrat may consider voting for a Dem who runs as a 3rd party candidate?

Not speculating on the identity of the Dem in question.

[TidalWave46]

38. You are the only one who doesn't know.

“ Not speculating on the identity of the Dem in question.”

Seems clear you didn’t read what she said. You weren’t even aware of the gender reference.

[Joinfortmill]

30. We need truth telling

Because we live in dangerous times. Tulsa Gabbard, in my opinion, is far more dangerous than Jill Stein. She's U.S. military and U.S. Congress. Plus she's articulate. She needs to be outed and quickly. Hope some investigative reporter is working on that.

[randr]

32. Is this any different that the Russian support for Jill Stein?

The Russian support for her was clearly to take votes from Clinton.

[mcar]

34. It's politically brilliant

She has just scuppered Gabbard's potentially running as a 3rd party (spoiler) candidate. Got Gabbard to have to come out and say she's not going to do that.

[thesquanderer]

37. but Gabbard had already come out and said she wasn't going to do that. So what was accomplished? nt

[BernieBabies]

35. some evidence would have helped

No doubt that Putin is helping her. The question is whether Gabbard is aware and participating, even passively.

Hillary's teardown would have been much stronger and more appropriate if she had some concrete evidence of participation by Gabbard.

p.s. I am a Warren supporter, but would also vote for Elmer Fudd or even Droopy.