Veteran: "Tulsi Gabbard is a fake"

[StarfishSaver]

This is a very interesting look at Tulsi Gabbard from a veteran and Bernie Sanders supporter who dealt with her directly. (I normally wouldn't post something like this, but I believe she is a disruptive and dangerous force in our party and must be exposed and called out before she does some real harm to our chances of getting Trump out of the White House)

Link to tweet

Here's the full thread from Threadreader: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1185346410381742082.html?fbclid=IwAR2yM92E1pjpzLNqQhETAgePpWhL4Q1Nybk2Bx5jVsCvGA0o7q9w56sd4Yk

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@USMCLiberal

I met with #TulsiGabbard in 2016, while campaigning for Bernie.

I was a State Director for Vets For Bernie at the time (not supporting him this election) and our vet organization was having some issues with the campaign.

I had raised the issues, so they sent in Tulsi.

The issue we had was that the campaign had been completely ignoring us.

No mentions, no retweets, no events—nothing.

We had built a liberal veteran organization, numbering some 15K, and the campaign refused to acknowledge us.

So we let them know we weren’t happy about that.

It seemed perfectly logical to us, that promoting the fact that Bernie had that kind of veteran support would be a huge benefit.

So we pressed them on this, and they came back with a plan for a veteran event for Bernie to speak at.

It was to be in NYC, and we contacted all the vets we could to be there.

Plans were made, time off work prepared for, and flights booked.

But at the last minute, they canceled on us—so that Bernie could fly to Rome, and receive an award from the Pope.

He’s not even catholic.

Naturally, this upset us. And a number of our vets said “screw it”, and left the organization.

That’s when I notified the campaign that we were fed up with how they were running things, and were going to start talking about the incident publicly.

Enter #TulsiGabbard.

They set up a meeting for us to speak, but I knew she would just try to placate us and squash the issue.

So we met, and talked for quite a while.

When I asked her why the campaign wasn’t promoting Vets For Bernie, she said—and I’m quoting here—“appealing to veterans is not a winning strategy in a Democratic primary.”

That was interesting, considering the fact that she touts her veteran status at every opportunity.

When I further explained that we weren’t seeking the “veteran vote” —only trying to highlight Bernie’s veteran support—she still acted like it wasn’t a worthwhile endeavor.

Again— she’s a veteran.

They were upset by the fact that I’d threatened to go public with the fact that they’d snubbed our vets for a trip to the Vatican, so I explained why we’d made that threat.

I used an analogy, as I often do.

I said, “Vets For Bernie is a powerful weapon. But you don’t realize that, because you refuse to use it. Sometimes, you don’t know the full power of a weapon until it’s used against you. That’s what we’re trying to show you.”

The meeting ended pleasantly.

Or so I thought...

The next day I was told by the director of Vets For Bernie, that Tulsi was offended by my use of a “weapon analogy.”

That was her takeaway.

An Iraq War veteran, was “offended” that another Iraq War veteran used an analogy about a weapon?

No.

No.

She wasn’t “offended.”

She was just playing the game.

She’s a two faced politician—nothing more.

It was simply their attempt to silence my objections, and discredit my position.

It ended up causing quite an issue for me as a State Director for VFB.

I didn’t leave the organization, but I was effectively silenced — as were our objections to being snubbed for the Pope.

I guess I’m crazy for thinking that our veterans should be more important to a presidential candidate, than a foreign religious leader.

Even if he is the goddamn Pope.

But I don’t even care about that incident anymore.

What sticks with me is how Gabbard responded — with an attempt to smear me, by claiming I’d “offended her.”

#TulsiGabbard will say and do whatever she can to protect herself, and get ahead.

Believe me when I say this:

She can’t be trusted.

I was content to keep this little incident to myself.

And in the grand scheme of things, it’s not a “big story.”

But seeing her recent behaviors: threatening to boycott the debates, and acting as a Democratic Party disruptor—

I thought I’d share it.

#TulsiGabbard is a fake.

I don’t know what her agenda is, but it’s not “what’s best for the nation.”

Whatever it is, it revolves around what’s best for her.

And she’ll trash any group or person who gets in the way of her ascension— including her fellow veterans.

[irisblue]

1. Thanks for posting this

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. YES, thank you for posting this!

It's very revealing of her and her motives.

She is not one of us, nor is she on our side.

DINO is what she is, at best.

I don't trust her at all, and this post just sealed that for me.

[glegear1]

3. So, what about her ideas?

Are her ideas wrong?

[StarfishSaver]

4. Welcome to DU

Tulsi surely appreciates you using your first posts on your first day here to try to defend her. She needs all the help she can get wherever she can get it.

[Eliot Rosewater]

6. Buckle up, lots more KGB operatives to come and they will be here and everywhere.

The goal is to get you to not vote for the D candidate because they KNOW the D candidate will be one of the mainstream candidates such as Joe or Liz.

Look at me calling Liz mainstream I love her, dont get me wrong, but she is NOT mainstream, she is VERY VERY VERY progressive but guess what, even SHE wont get the support of a certain group.

Nah, we are in big big trouble. Especially since I heard Zuckerburg is a righty, he will help Russia destroy us.

fuckers

[Hav]

19. That could be seen yesterday as well

"New" poster but quoting forum rules not to bash Dems.
Are people afraid to use their real accounts to make their points?

[Hekate]

57. Well spotted. Very well spotted.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

5. Which of her ideas do you like?

[LiberalFighter]

14. :)

[groundloop]

18. I'm pretty sure we won't get an answer to that question.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

49. I don't think they've opened that information packet yet.

[PatSeg]

21. Ideas are totally worthless

if they are not accompanied by character and integrity.

Welcome to DU.

[mcar]

29. This!

[Perseus]

24. Yes, they are.

I know you were looking for an honest answer, right?

[stevesinpa]

25. her stated ideas are irrelevant

she is a liar, she cannot be trusted. anything she says, any idea she promotes is irrelevant. we need a progressive liberal candidate to support and gabbard is definitely not that. as someone else stated, she is a dino, I don't know why she calls herself a democrat, she thinks and acts like a republican.

[TeamPooka]

38. yes, they are. Her statements on Hillary and the Democratic Party are dead wrong. Next fucking

question newb?

[Tarc]

39. What positions are those?

Her adoption of the alt-right's messaging on "big media is against you" and "the deep state conspiracy" ?
Her support of "extreme vetting" of Syrian & Iraqi refugees?
Her support of Alex Jones when Facebook finally banned him?
Her cheerleading of Assad and Assange?

[lapucelle]

52. Welcome to DU!

[pnwmom]

58. Yes. She came back from visiting Assad, the murderer of millions, in 2016

and she made excuses for him.

She also supports the far-right leader in India. And though she made a public switch to the pro LGBT and pro-choice side in 2012, she said in an interview in Ozy published in 2016 that her personal views hadn't changed -- just her political views.

And we have seen how easily her political views change. I wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw her.

[Skittles]

85. LOL

uh huh

[Iggo]

89. Does she like chocolate? I like chocolate. (n/t)

[Javaman]

93. Your concerns are duly noted. Nt

[BannonsLiver]

119. Who gives a fuck.

[George II]

7. Once the truth came out there was no award from the Pope, he wasn't invited by the Pope....

....and their only encounter was in the lobby of the Pope's residence at 6:00 AM as he was leaving for a trip to Greece. Bernie and Jane were in the lobby waiting for him, unscheduled, and they caught the Pope off guard.

[Cha]

8. omg.. can you believe this?!

Why Yes I Can! smh!

[George II]

11. I can believe it. Here's the report at the time:

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/pope-met-bernie-sanders-at-vatican-on-saturday-before-leaving-for-greece

VATICAN CITY (REUTERS) - Pope Francis met US presidential candidate Bernie Sanders on Saturday morning (April 16) before leaving for a visit to the Greek island of Lesbos, a participant at the meeting said.

Columbia University Professor Jeffrey Sachs told Reuters that the meeting took place in the Vatican guesthouse where the pope lives and where Sanders had spent the night after addressing a Vatican conference on social justice.

The Vatican said before the conference that a meeting had not been planned. Sachs said Sanders, who was accompanied by his wife, and the pope spoke for about five minutes. Sachs, his wife and a Vatican official were also in the room, Sachs said.

[Cha]

15. I lived it

via DU.. posting like crazy!

Thanks George!

[paleotn]

26. Interesting. So he cancelled on a NYC Vets for Bernie rally....

to speak at a Vatican conference. Not to meet the Pope, but just to speak at a conference. At best, his schedulers are idiots. At worst it was an intentional snub. And what's the deal with vets not being a winning strategy? Do they think this is 1968 and they're going to upset the left wing or something? A lot of the left in this country has served. This really smells bad in a number of ways.

[Scotch-Irish]

36. So Bernie was there to address the conference on social justice.

Looks like the meeting with the pope wasn't planned, but the conference was where he was to speak.

[George II]

40. His campaign originally said he was invited by the Pope to meet him and speak at the conference.....

...but those running the conference came out and said that wasn't true so they changed their story.

$800,000 to fly round trip to Rome for a 15 minute address and "meet" the Pope at 6:00 in the lobby of his residence. But I hear the food on the chartered 767 was delicious.

[True Blue American]

61. From what I remember

Bernie stood at the bottom of the steps where the Pope was to come down, he shook his hand. There was no meeting.

[True Blue American]

41. Meeting with the Pope

https://qz.com/663579/the-pope-met-with-bernie-sanders-out-of-politeness-and-good-manners-he-says/

And I am not criticizing, just showing facts.

[pnwmom]

60. Thanks for the link! It's very easy to forget what a crock that meeting was. n/t

[pnwmom]

59. Thanks for the link, George. I remember that happening, but was feeling lazy about looking it up.

You did it for me.

[scipan]

76. No

Please see my reply just a few posts down.

[Cha]

10. The Vet's experience reminded me of this Tweet

from TG's primary opponent in 2018, Sherry Campagna..

Link to tweet

[PatSeg]

22. Seriously?

Oh, that is pretty pathetic.

[aggiesal]

51. Thou shall not bear false witness ...

Wow, Bernie broke one of the commandments?
Or at least his campaign.

I’m sure the Pope has a thing or two about that subject.

[yardwork]

71. I've always wondered why Bernie interrupted his campaign to fly to Rome.

[scipan]

73. wrong. Tired of people spreading lies about Bernie.

Columbia professor Jeffrey Sachs, who was at the meeting, said Sanders got word that the Pope wanted to meet at 6 a.m. before he left for Greece to meet with refugees.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/04/16/politics/bernie-sanders-pope-francis-vatican-visit/index.html

At first, it was uncertain whether Sanders would be able to secure any face-time with the understandably busy Pope, but the candidate was optimistic as he prepared for the trip, saying, “I certainly would be delighted and proud if I had the opportunity to meet with him.” Fortunately for him, his local liaison Bishop Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo was close to Francis and helped facilitate an audience for Sanders with the Pope at the Casa Santa Marta, the Vatican guesthouse where Francis keeps his residence.

As schedules continued to shift and Sanders bounced from meeting to meeting around the Vatican, the certainty of the Pope’s availability became increasingly cloudy. But while seated at dinner with foreign policy advisor Jeffrey Sachs and their wives Jane and Sonia, respectively, Sanders received the news he had been hopefully awaiting. His time with the Pope would be informal and brief, a quick meet-and-greet in the foyer of the Casa Santa Marta at 6 A.M. the next morning, but he had been granted an audience.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/04/bernie-sanders-meets-pope

Also, I googled for anything about Bernie, or anyone, saying he was getting an award from the Pope. Nothing. You need to provide your source for that.

[pnwmom]

78. Your posts do nothing to refute the other articles. All the impetus for the face time was coming

from Sanders, who ASKED for a chance to meet the Pope, and must have thought the publicity for this would help him with the Catholic vote.

But all he got were quotes like this one from your CNN piece:

Speaking to reporters on the Papal Plane on the way back from Lesbos, Greece, Pope Francis said his handshake with Sanders was not a political act but simply good manners.

"It's called manners and not getting involved in politics. If anyone thinks that a greeting is getting involved in politics, then I recommend they look for a psychiatrist," the Pope said, laughing.

And from your Vanity Fair piece:

At first, it was uncertain whether Sanders would be able to secure any face-time with the understandably busy Pope, but the candidate was optimistic as he prepared for the trip, saying, “I certainly would be delighted and proud if I had the opportunity to meet with him.” Fortunately for him, his local liaison Bishop Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo was close to Francis and helped facilitate an audience for Sanders with the Pope at the Casa Santa Marta, the Vatican guesthouse where Francis keeps his residence.

As schedules continued to shift and Sanders bounced from meeting to meeting around the Vatican, the certainty of the Pope’s availability became increasingly cloudy. But while seated at dinner with foreign policy advisor Jeffrey Sachs and their wives Jane and Sonia, respectively, Sanders received the news he had been hopefully awaiting. His time with the Pope would be informal and brief, a quick meet-and-greet in the foyer of the Casa Santa Marta at 6 A.M. the next morning, but he had been granted an audience.

SNIP

Francis, meanwhile, wanted to ensure that his encounter with Sanders would not be construed as a partisan gesture of support. He had a characteristically candid remark for the press inquiring about whether the Pope might back a Sanders candidacy:

“I shook his hand and nothing more,” he said. “If someone thinks that greeting someone means getting involved in politics, I recommend that he find a psychiatrist!”

[scipan]

86. They refute the claim that he kind of waylaid the Pope.

It was scheduled.

I like your posts, you seem fact-driven. I am giving facts. Yes, the Pope seemed like he didn't want to be seen as endorsing Bernie just because he talked to him. Understandable. And of course, they have a lot of differing opinions.

And, no claim of an award.

[pnwmom]

90. No one said he waylaid the Pope. They said it wasn't true that the Pope

gave him some kind of honor, or was the one who tried to set up the meeting.

So why did Sanders cancel his event with the vets in order to go to the Vatican and cross-his-fingers that he'd get a meet and greet? Why didn't he wait for a time that wouldn't conflict with a meeting the veterans had been working to set up?

[scipan]

92. Yes they did. Post #7:

"Bernie and Jane were in the lobby waiting for him, unscheduled, and they caught the Pope off guard."

As to your 2nd point: I can't find any reference to anyone saying Bernie expected an award from the Pope.

As to your 3rd point: dunno. But he did have a talk scheduled at the Vatican.

[pnwmom]

94. #2 came from one of the tweets by the veteran in the OP.

Link to tweet

Also, many of the reports made it sound as if Pope Francis hadn't been given much of a heads up, if any, about the meet and greet. Someone, perhaps Sanders's friend, arranged for the Sanders to be there just as Pope Francis was leaving on his trip.

https://qz.com/663579/the-pope-met-with-bernie-sanders-out-of-politeness-and-good-manners-he-says/

To the Pope, however—well, even the word “meeting” seems to overstate how he saw their encounter. He made a point of clarifying that the handshake and pleasantries they exchanged should not be seen as a political endorsement.

“This morning when I was leaving, Senator Sanders was there,” he told reporters in Italian aboard the papal airliner today, after his visit to the refugee-filled Greek island of Lesbos. “He knew I was leaving at that time and he had the courtesy to greet me. I greeted him, his wife, and another couple who were there and were sleeping in Santa Martha. This is called good manners and it is not getting involved in politics.”

Added the Pope, laughing, “If anyone thinks that greeting someone is getting involved in politics, I recommend that he look for a psychiatrist.”


The Vatican initially had said there would be no meeting between Sanders and the Pope this weekend, and some officials had accused him of wrangling an invitation to the conference, and of pandering to the Catholic vote.

[George II]

80. I'll take the Pope's word over Mr. Sachs' word, thank you. As for the award....

....of course there was no award from the Pope, we all know that. But that was what his campaign told the veterans as an excuse to ditch them in order to go on his $800K Roman Holiday.

As for "bouncing from meeting to meeting", there was ONE meeting, at which he appeared for a few minutes, and he even rudely swept right past a woman who was greeting him to shake the hand of a man at that meeting. Here's the video:

[scipan]

83. Source for "Pope's word"?

Pope's word that there was no award? No meeting scheduled (true at first, but, per Cnn and Vanity Fair, scheduled the day before)? Did Bernie say there was a meeting scheduled before it actually was? What are your sources?

As for how many meetings Bernie attended, again, what are your sources? I'll believe Vanity Fair before I believe some random DU poster with a grudge.

And finally, "swept past a woman to shake the hand of a man": please reply with the time this happened in your video because i guess i missed it. Also, Gish Gallop is a very hollow argument.

[George II]

88. I believe someone else posted that here already. As we used to say on "Newsnet", RTFF.

[scipan]

91. Ah. OK then, "newsnet", RTFF, whatever that means.

I asked for sources. Do I need to say this really?: reputable sources. Edit: trying to keep from saying the obvious.

[OldRed2450]

102. Here he is confirming to Joy that he was invited by Pope Francis

Joy: " You're meeting with the Pope?" Pope Francis has invited Bernie to speak at the Vatican."

Bernie: Yep. Yep

[scipan]

103. I was replying to the poster's claim that

1) he said he was getting an award,
2) his meeting with the Pope was unscheduled.

Stop gish gallop.

[OldRed2450]

104. The pope seemed to say it was not scheduled.

[scipan]

105. it was, the day before. n/t

[OldRed2450]

100. Here

“This morning when I was leaving, Senator Sanders was there,” he told reporters in Italian aboard the papal airliner today, after his visit to the refugee-filled Greek island of Lesbos. “He knew I was leaving at that time and he had the courtesy to greet me. I greeted him, his wife, and another couple who were there and were sleeping in Santa Martha. This is called good manners and it is not getting involved in politics.”


https://qz.com/663579/the-pope-met-with-bernie-sanders-out-of-politeness-and-good-manners-he-says/

[OldRed2450]

95. Who paid for the trip?

Can you use campaign money for this type of event?

[George II]

97. They tried, but the FEC rejected the expense. No one knows who forked over the $800K.

[OldRed2450]

101. Looks like it was not planned.

Quote:
“This morning when I was leaving, Senator Sanders was there,” he told reporters in Italian aboard the papal airliner today, after his visit to the refugee-filled Greek island of Lesbos. “He knew I was leaving at that time and he had the courtesy to greet me"


https://qz.com/663579/the-pope-met-with-bernie-sanders-out-of-politeness-and-good-manners-he-says/

[BannonsLiver]

120. Righhht

[mcar]

9. She constantly touts her veteran status

but treats another veteran like that?

[Cha]

12. I know.. weird.. and I believe it.

This is from TG's primary opponent in 2018.. I was so upset when I read that.. gabbard wouldn't debate but she trash talks her after the election? She deserves to lose next time..

Link to tweet

[mcar]

13. HRC has done us all a favor

Her comment, and Gabbard's OTT response, is bringing all this to light.

[Cha]

16. Hillary took one for

the Team as I've heard said.. Hillary

[SWBTATTReg]

17. Thanks for sharing. Do you know of that feeling one gets, when your gut instinct says ...

to do/not do something? I got this reaction very much so in seeing her political ads...I don't trust her one bit and I hope others sense this too. Especially now when I see her mock or trample other vets too.

[BootinUp]

20. And she looks freaky in that photo. Nt

[Sogo]

23. When she spoke in my hometown here in Iowa a few months ago,

I came away with the impression that she couldn’t be trusted. Interesting to now see this post.

[Cha]

42. Solid gut feeling.

[flibbitygiblets]

27. I'm a little weirded out that her ad is at the top of my screen right now, asking for a donation

HRC thinks Gabbard's a Russian asset, and I'm inclined to listen to her. She IS the person most of us voted for in the last election, and happens to know a thing or two on the subject.

[tblue37]

37. The Google ads algorithm will post ads based on the words and images on a page.

Since Gabbard is mentioned a lot on this page, ads will be about Gabbard. Since Gabbard ads are likely to be for and by Gabbard's campaign, you will see pro-Gabbard ads.

Or you can donate $5 to DU and see no ads at all.

[Gothmog]

28. Thank you for posting this

[UCmeNdc]

30. I wonder what her agenda is.

She seems like someone who is trying to destroy the Democratic Party.

[paleotn]

31. Well....

Ron Paul likes her libertarian instincts, whatever the fuck that is, and Franklin Graham finds her refreshing. Richard Spencer would vote for her. That's all I need to know about Gabbard. My folks once told me you can learn a lot about a person by the friends they keep and her friends run the gamut from loathsome to heinous.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard.html

[DinahMoeHum]

32. She's going to be primaried in 2020. . .

. . .Hawaii state senator Kai Kahele is running for her seat.

He's an Air Force veteran.

https://www.kaikahele.com/
https://twitter.com/kaikahele
https://www.facebook.com/KaiKahele/

[George II]

77. I sent him a few bucks yesterday. Will do so again once the campaign heats up.

[yaesu]

33. oh my, are we going through that purple band aide, swift boater thingy again? nt

[JanetLovesObama]

34. I got 12 hours off Twitter because I called

Gabbard a "Russian Whore." I am pissed because I meant to say "a FUCKING RUSSIAN WHORE." Next time I won't leave off the "Fucking" !

[not_the_one]

45. There is certainly no need to be ambiguous about it... SAY how you feel!

[Generic Brad]

47. If you were President you would not have gotten a time out

[redqueen]

74. Nice to see some things never change. nt

[LovingA2andMI]

98. Damn....

[tblue37]

35. K&R for visibility. nt

[sheshe2]

43. Thank you for posting this.

[catbyte]

44. She just really turns me off. I have a pretty finely tuned bullshit detector and it went off when I

first began listening to her when she went national. Just like it did when I would listen to John Edwards. I really wanted to like him too but I just couldn't. I felt the same turn-off. And it was justified. Not that their situations are alike, but I detect a lack of "genuineness" in her just like I did in him. So I'm just going to keep listening to my bullshit detector.

[colorado_ufo]

62. I'm not one to always "go with my gut, but this time - yes.

Every time I see or hear Tulsi Gabbard, my blood runs cold. It doesn't matter what she says, whom she is with, whatever she is doing or promoting.

I tried to figure out why: She is beautiful, dresses well, presents herself well, is articulate, informed, educated, a veteran, etc.

Then it struck me - it is the dissonance between her facial expression and what she is saying. She might act offended, or happy, or "passionate," or any other emotion, but there is really little change in her face. She smiles, but her eyes do not smile. There is no warmth, no sincerity expressed. There is no connection with the people around her.

She is a female Jared Kushner.

[Nitram]

46. Gabbard helped swiftboat Al Franken to advance here own visibility as a candidate.

[BadgerMom]

48. Disgusted. Not surprised.

[OldRed2450]

50. Wow!

Thanks for posting this. She complains about people not respecting her for her service all the while she doesn't respect other vets.

[FM123]

53. My dad is a 91 year old veteran, he is SOOOO not a fan of "her". Nuff said.....

[Hekate]

54. Thanks for this, Starfish. Bring on the information. Bring on the reality. nt

[betsuni]

55. K&R

[Stuart G]

56. Thank You for your clear information proving ..."Tulsi Gabbard is a FAKE"

k and r

[jimlup]

63. This whole Tulsi Gabbard debacle is very unfortunate.

I think Clinton made a mistake honestly. She could have just kept her mouth shut. Tulsi may or may not have moved up in the list but now she will move up and her name recognition will skyrocket.

[StarfishSaver]

65. "Shut up, Hillary"

meanwhile, Tulsi goes off in an unhinged tirade and nothing but crickets from the " Hillary needs to keep her mouth shut" brigade.

Hillary Clinton it doesn't speak much and never speaks randomly or impulsively. if she says something she has a reason for saying it. Unfortunately, too many people refuse to listen to her until it's too late. Instead of telling her to keep her mouth shut, people should be Glad she's still cares enough to speak up and should be heeding what she said.

We'd all be much better off if more people had done that in 2016.

[jimlup]

67. Yeah I totally expected to get flamed

but Tulsi simply defended herself.

Why did Clinton start this fight? It would have been footnote but now we are going to get a soap opera.

Tulsi is correct about one thing but I can't say it here.

[StarfishSaver]

69. Responses to what you posted isn't "getting flamed"

What makes you think Clinton "started" anything? Gabbert's been going after her for years.

And pointing out that she's a favorite of the Russians isn't a criticism of her any more than noting that David Duke thinks she's great. It's just a fact.

and please, do share with us what do you think Tulsi is right about. Surely she didn't say anything that would violate DU rules did she?

[redqueen]

75. No, she didn't just defend herself.

She went off on a tirade of almost Trumpian proportions.

I'm kinda surprised people are defending her. Kinda.

That doesn't mean I think Hillary didn't make (another) mistake with this stunt. IMO it'll just help whoever does decide to run as a third party candidate, if anyone does, which I hope doesn't happen (but would wager it will).

[LovingA2andMI]

99. THIS RIGHT HERE....

We'd all be much better off if more people had done that in 2016.

Damn Straight we would have been. So in 2019-2020, the saying is SPEAK LOUDLY and CARRY A HUGE STICK.

Thank you, Hillary!

[calimary]

117. Yep. And, um, when has she turned out to be wrong?

If Hillary Clinton thought there was something that smelled fishy, that’s a strong indicator that something WAS fishy. She’s called it pretty spot-on the vast majority of the time. And she’s been around way long enough to have developed some good instincts. And she’s seldom made rash statements as far as I’ve observed.

I’ve learned to trust her assessments.

[sheshe2]

66. SMDH

"I think Clinton made a mistake honestly. She could have just kept her mouth shut."

She has every right to speak her mind and telling her to sit down and shut up is beyond belief. She knows far more about what happened than we do. The candidates and Obama got detailed briefings. The GOP/ MITCH tied Obama's hands and refused to issue warnings.

FACT!

Never tell a woman to sit down and shut up.

[jimlup]

68. Note - I did not say that Hillary should

"sit down and shut up!" She obviously has every right to speak her mind just like anyone else. She does, however, set an example. In my honest opinion, this was a mistake. It has nothing to do with sex or how I voted in 2016. I voted for Hillary and was proud of it. I was disappointed that she decided to pick this fight.
It was naive at best. So I guess it is ok to tell me to sit down and shut up huh?

[sheshe2]

70. Say what you please.

It was naive at best. So I guess it is ok to tell me to sit down and shut up huh?

I never censured you. I criticized your comment.

She could have just kept her mouth shut."

Is the same thing as telling her to sit down and shut up. Same thing.

I don't have issues with you, jim. However I wish you would allow her a voice, She knows far more than the rest of us as to what went down.

[jimlup]

72. A wee tad sensitive are we?

If you could look at this objectively you would see that it wasn't a smart play.

[jimlup]

81. Actually it is definitely NOT the same as telling her to "Sit down and shut up"

I said she made a mistake.

Apparently, I can't do that? I can't hold that opinion because it is unacceptable thinking? Or perhaps, I can have that opinion, I should just be very very careful not to say that I do? Have I committed thought-crime or thought-speak. Help me here, I can't keep up.

[StarfishSaver]

82. You're calling Hillary Rodham Clinton "naive at best"? And you did indeed tell her to shut up

That's what "keep her mouth shut" means.

But I guess since you didn't tell her to sit down, telling her to keep her mouth shut is fine.

[jimlup]

84. No it means naive...

I was trying to be generous and give her the benefit of the doubt. You are projecting what you think I meant on my statement. I definitely did NOT mean what you claim I meant.

I wonder if you are capable of reflecting even for a moment about why you are so sensitive to even a tiny bit of criticism of Hillary? Is it you have equated it with criticism of yourself? Not trying to get in a spat. I'm just honestly wondering why some are soooo sensitive about this. And, pardon me, but I'm pretty sure I know. Hey, I project too. At least when I do, I welcome becoming aware of it.

[ecstatic]

64. The most problematic line for me is when Tulsky said:

“appealing to veterans is not a winning strategy in a Democratic primary.”

THAT to me is the smoking gun from the exchange, to use another weapon analogy. To me, it confirms my suspicions that Tulsky holds a very cynical/low opinion of democrats. She's just using us for political expediency. She's still the hateful homophobic piece of trash she was 15 years ago.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

87. Yes. That remarks speaks VOLUMES about what she thinks of us vets.

[majdrfrtim]

79. I am an Army veteran and I felt nauseated by Gabbard's

constant repetition of the phrase “regime-change war” during the debate. Her spouting of Putin’s rhetoric either makes her a Quisling or a moron.

Or both.

[LovingA2andMI]

96. THANK YOU FOR THIS THREAD....

As a SPOUSE of a VETERAN, TULSI GABBARD IS A FAKE PHONY. Why is she still an "option" on DU? Someone, ANYONE?

[Grokenstein]

106. A: Drama. Clicks.

[LovingA2andMI]

113. B: Truth : Period....

That!

[KPN]

107. Don't like Gabbard. Oh, and nice takedown

of Sanders.

SMH.

[The Wizard]

108. Something's rotten

in the State of Gabbard.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

109. Beto and Yang think we should stop trashing her nt

[StarfishSaver]

110. Yet they've said not a word about Tulsi trashing Hillary Clinton

[Laura PourMeADrink]

111. Think both are averse to taking everything personal.

Beto always seems completely shocked when others come after him. Like JHC aren't we all supposed to be on the same side? And isn't there a monster in the WH, duh

[StarfishSaver]

114. They weren't averse to inserting themselves - they just decided to pick a side

Not a good look for either of them. And
the side they chose doesn't make them look too bright.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

115. Just don't want people trashing other people. Period

[StarfishSaver]

116. Looking forward to seeing you call out Tulsi for calling Hillary Clinton "the queen of warmongers,

embodiment of corruption, personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long," and accusing her of being behind a "concerted effort" to destroy Gabbard's reputation?

Or did you already do that and I missed it?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

118. Thanks for another trash a person response.

[LovingA2andMI]

112. Uh huh....

Were again are the poll numbers on Beto and Yang?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

121. Yup... non-political types never gain traction. But beto

did in Texas. By simply talking and listening to every county in Texas.

[Gothmog]

122. House seat challenger @kaikahele beating Tulsi Gabbard with Hawaii donors

Link to tweet

[Cha]

123. Kicking!

[Gothmog]

124. Interesting article from CNN on Kahele

This is an interesting article https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/21/politics/tulsi-gabbard-2020-hawaii-hillary-clinton/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_term=image&utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2019-10-22T01%3A04%3A06

But local insiders say a primary challenge from state Sen. Kai Kahele is to be taken seriously, in part because he already has high-profile support among towering local officials.

That includes three former governors in the local Democratic establishment: Neil Abercrombie, Ben Cayetano and John Waihee, who don't often appear as a bloc.

"That gives a pretty good indication of how the mainstream Democratic Party here regards her," said Colin Moore, director of the Public Policy Center at the University of Hawaii.

Kahele told CNN on Monday that his campaign had its best day of fundraising when Gabbard and Clinton clashed.
Gabbard has not formally announced a reelection bid for her House seat. Candidates have until June 2, 2020, to file for that November's election.