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Related: About this forumAnita Hill ready to hold Biden accountable
From CNN:
"I'm ready to move on, but I am also ready to hold Joe Biden accountable. Accountability means acknowledging your role in a problem and the harm it's caused. Acknowledging that you have culpability," Hill said.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/24/politics/anita-hill-senate-allegations-kavanaugh/index.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
groundloop
(11,518 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,517 posts)And it is a story from CNN today. Your "we've all heard this before" take may play well among those who share your views but it could very well be a different story among voters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)You just like to argue with folks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Show some fucking respect.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #67)
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InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)You're too funny... #IStandWithAnita!!!! Guess you don't respect the hashtag!!
Thanks for the laugh though!!!!
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)It was her choice.
Nonetheless, you'll never find me using anything other than a person's proper title, unless it's necessary for shorthand. Never their first name alone, unless that's their preference, or to be derisive.
Go to it. Search my posts.
You have no respect for Dr. Hill, and have proven so repeatedly throughout this thread.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #72)
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OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Including that you speak for everyone.
How precious!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)I myself don't pretend to speak for anyone, or dictate what is respectful or not as you have done. Like I said, you want to refer to Anita as Dr. Hill, good for you... your entitled to show what you consider respect, but why push your standards on everyone else?! I respect the HELL out of Anita... regardless of your opinion.
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Those aren't my standards, they're part of our civilized society.
Without them, you end up with Donald Trump as President.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)especially by strangers informal settings.
Not assuming it's their preference does not result in having a president Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Wow... hyperbole much?!
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)as demonstrated throughout this thread, and in every thread I've be ever posted about her. Anita's freakin' AWESOME!... I have HUGE respect for her and what she did to rid us of that sexist, perv Thomas.
So you've condemned every poster who's used the #IStandWithAnita hashtag? Or, did Anita object to that? Please do tell!
You've condemned every poster - and yourself? - referring to VP Biden as Joe? Link please.
Why would you make negative assumptions about one of Anita's BIGGEST supporters?!
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)hospital for several weeks. She has milked this for years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)I'm sorry to hear about your awful experience, but how does that justify belittling her's?!
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)does. Just once it would be nice if she went after the right people...GOP types.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Expecting an acknowledgement of that and a proper apology is not "milking it" in my view.
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)life. And Biden did not do it Clarence Thomas did. Any woman coming forward at that time was going to be treated as guilty until proven innocent. There would have been no hearing without Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Sanders numbers do not reflect his true position in this primary...he is doing better than what the polls suggest.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Can I ask you something?
Would you think that leaving a well paid position to go work in a Republican administration is something youd jump at the chance to do?
Do you think someone with the political and judicial views of Clarence Thomas just screams, Yeah, I want to work for that guy!?
Would you take an oath to Oral Roberts University?
If you answered no to any of those questions, then congratulations! You are not Anita Hill.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)during those hearings?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)not sure why he has chosen not to do so.
Seems like a bad call.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)There is nothing he could or would say to address this individual's problem without it being analyzed to death and some fault found with it.
The entire political "public apology" ritual is a crock of shit. Every time. I do not recall a single apology ever issued by any politician in response to demands that was deemed sufficient to defuse a damned thing. It only serves to keep the controversy going.
Every. Single. Time.
And it doesn't matter who is outraged over what and demanding the apology. It is a certainty there is nothing that will be sufficient.
The fact of the matter is that the vote on Clarence Thomas - again, the Talibornagain with whom she had no political or philosophical quarrel in the first place - would not have swung one way or the other on the basis of additional witnesses. It was not a matter of the majority of the Senate not believing Hill. It was a matter of them frankly not giving a shit about it. Most of the senators who voted to confirm Thomas probably believed Hill was telling the truth.
How about this - if you are unhappy with it, then don't vote for Biden. If you aren't, then go ahead and vote for him. But Biden doesn't owe me, you, or anyone on this forum jack shit in relation to Anita Hill's resentment.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)It wasn't you sitting up on the stand being cross examined by someone whom you might have expected to handle the situation fairly - so I see no reason why you should be so emotional.
The fact is, whether or not you, I, Biden, or anyone else thinks that having expert witnesses on the stand would have helped - witnesses who were ready and willing to testify - it would have been the smart thing to do. Based on pure politics. He didn't.
Why Biden decided not to do it, and why he went further than that and joined in with the republicans in grilling her, I'll never know.
What I do know is that unless he stops saying things like 'i wish I could have done more', this issue will definitely not go away. If he owns up to what he did, it would be enough for most. It wouldn't be enough for everyone, because some people are like that, but it would be finally accepted as an ACTUAL apology, and not the ersatz apologies he's offered up to now.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Lol, yep.
Like the other demanded apologies from politicians which are deemed "actual" instead of "ersatz" all of the time.
It won't accomplish jack, just as the now "expert" instead of "corroborating" witnesses that were suggested at the time. You can make up your mind on your own what type of witnesses were supposed to change the minds of the senators who TOLD Biden that it wasn't going to change their vote one way or the other.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Good luck. I expect you'll be getting very upset about this issue for a good while.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
kcr
(15,315 posts)No one here should need to be told that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)They do, however, go after Democrats.
She has more to say about Joe Biden than Clarence Thomas.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Did you watch those hearings? I did. I remember them well.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)to drive him alone to the airport...it has been my opinion for years that she played along a bit in order to save her job or to get ahead...lots of women did back in the day. I don't blame her. I had a broker put his hands down my pants on an elevator....what a jerk. And could do nothing as i needed my job to put food on the table. Had I complained later, it would have hurt me...And the same thing hurt her in the hearings IMHO. Different times. I do believe it is better today. What happened to her is not Biden's fault but Clarence Thomas's fault.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)It makes her look bad to offer to drive him to the airport alone?
What? Do you think women need chaperones? Hmm, who does this remind me of???
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)with him...would be the question... I don't doubt it was made to look worse than it was...but you had to be perfect to win those early sexual harassment battles. And what about Arlen Specter who behaved horribly? You are judging this hearing by 21st century standards. There was little that you could do if you were in her position. I commend her for coming forward, I wouldn't do it myself. However it was not Biden's fault. It was Thomas's fault and this is political nonsense. She backs a different candidate...and I find her using this distasteful.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)wearing provocative clothing either, right?
I was a professional working woman in the 80s. With all due respect, your comment is nonsense. My father was driven to the airport by his secretary in the 60s! Omg, the horror!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,921 posts)Apparently a woman driving a man ALONE to an airport means that she wants to have sex with that guy and if she doesn't, then she deserves what she gets. Hussy. The gaul of driving a man to the airport. IN THE 1980s!
Sometimes people are just gross.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Almost.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redqueen
(115,103 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)nominated Thomas. Sorry, this is just more shit that in the end will not hurt Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)You need to work on your math skills.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,921 posts)A time when women couldn't drive a man to the airport alone and not expect to be sexually harassed by that man. Simpler times. Simpler times.
Some people need to just stop typing about Anita Hill, I think.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)"she thinks Biden fails to grasp the damage he did to her and other victims of sexual harassment"
As best I can tell he still doesn't get it.
That does not mean he can not think about it, speak to it, and to her in the near future.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)his defensiveness seems to get in the way of trying to see it from her perspective. He has a way of taking things that are not about him personally.
Kamala Harris shared her experience to make a point about what she saw as a flawed approach to dealing with partisanship and it became all about Joe Biden. He could easily have taken a beat and made the case that from his end, he was in a tough spot doing the best he could in that political environment, while acknowledging that from the perspective of a person affected by the policy the view might be different from what he hoped or intended.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
hlthe2b
(102,238 posts)No. I hated how he conducted that committee and that hearing. It sucked. He was wrong. But it was Thomas and Spector and Simpson and their ilk who were the true villains.
What is the goal here? Whether or not Biden is or should be the nominee, how does going after him once again help anything except quite possibly assure Donald J. (grab her by the P...ssy) Trump more likely to win a second term?
Dr. Hill. I have been with you for decades, but now? NO. Nothing is more important than removing Trump and ensuring no other R takes office. Nothing. Nothing. There is such a thing as consideration for the greater good and never are we likely to experience such a time more acutely.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,517 posts)Clearly there are other candidates who are quite capable of doing that who don't carry the baggage that Biden does.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(102,238 posts)They've already been attempting to do this with Ukraine--backfiring yes, but it has allowed some independents to assume the "bothsiderism" bullshit, just as this issue will allow Trump once again to deflect.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,517 posts)Again, your post assumes that anything that doesn't show Biden in a good light means rump will be re-elected. How about we choose a candidate who doesn't have this baggage?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(102,238 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,517 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)They all have baggage.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,517 posts)Please don't start that because Biden will lose on that front every time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)YOU want to keep this argument going.
Everyone has baggage. If YOU choose to call it whatever, dont expect anyone but you to sign on.
And your bomb of Joe loses every time.
Bs bs bs.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
revmclaren
(2,520 posts)If many DUers had to follow their own purity tests that they demand from our candidates and Democratic leaders, they would fail miserably (DUers who supported Russian hacking, who claimed the DNC rigs elections, who ran off to JPR to avoid voting for Clinton during the general election, etc).
You do agree, don't you Bradshaw3 ?
ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I s'pose the wisdom-fits-on-a-t--shirt crowd would need to infer that as bothsiderism to support it as such.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)namely bold progressivism!! Slowly, but surely, the polls are bearing this out.
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TexasTowelie
(112,160 posts)Rehashing something that occurred decades earlier serves no purpose. Anita Hill has been on other broadcasts earlier this year and had the opportunity to provide her point of view. It had no effect on the race and I doubt that anyone will be persuaded to change their votes because she decided to speak out again. To state it concisely, Anita Hill is yesterday's news.
I also don't see some of the candidates as capable of defeating Trump since they are polling within the margin of error in key battleground states.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)notably will doom her in the general. But Biden is the only one who will win the states we need...particularly Wisconsin.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)And then you don't. If you're only 'with' her on your terms you're not really with her at all.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
hlthe2b
(102,238 posts)You don't know what the hell you are talking about.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)Dont hate just because others are too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)THEN we can talk about moving on. That would be a smart political move on Joe's part.
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TexasTowelie
(112,160 posts)An apology is between two people. Anita Hill was not satisfied with Joe's apology earlier this year so I don't see where Biden should grovel to Anita Hill if she is going to be dissatisfied anyway. If anything, it makes Biden appear weak by doing so.
Unfortunately, in life I've found that some people are perpetually offended regardless as to whether a transgression was committed or the efforts of the person who allegedly made the offenses to empathize or correct the situation. Anita Hill has the right to harbor her grudges against Biden, but she shouldn't expect everyone else to be unforgiving about something that happened nearly three decades ago.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)I'm saying Joe's giving Anita a proper apology is the best way for Joe to get this behind him.
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TexasTowelie
(112,160 posts)that I made decades ago. No matter how much I've shown my remorse or the number of times that I apologized, that person will continue to bring up those actions against me when we have disagreements. There comes a point that I had to accept that nothing I had to say would alleviate the situation. Finally, I remembered this prayer so that I didn't have to feel the burden of guilt:
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.
I believe that Biden has shown his remorse to Anita Hill, but he also knows that there isn't anything he can do that will change the situation or make Anita Hill feel better. There is where the last line of that prayer is relevant for Biden. I think that the rest of us should take some guidance from the last line since none of the posts in this thread are going to change anything.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TexasTowelie
(112,160 posts)Joe apologized, Anita didn't accept it. What the rest of us think doesn't matter. It's time to move on instead of harboring grudges for decades.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The game of "let's demand an apology and then attack the apology" is one of the more tedious bits of American political voodoo.
Don't like Joe? Don't vote for him. Period.
I'm not voting for Biden should there be other preferable candidates in the field when it comes to my state. Warren is my preferred candidate. But this "Biden needs to apologize to Anita Hill" thing - and it has come and gone before - is horseshit.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)So of course now it is important for Anita Hill to get revenge.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)I wonder if Hill is communicating directly with his camp. Maybe Flores will will make another showing for Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)You have to remember that shes a former faculty member at Oral Roberts University.
She helped prepare a generation of lawyers who fight against equal rights and choice every damned day.
And she wants an apology from Biden. Lol.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)She took the job to be near her family. Then she taught law at OU for a few years but spent the bulk of her career at Brandeis in NY.
One of the reasons she left Oklahoma was because after her testimony regarding Thomas the first order of business every year for the state legislature was to introduce a resolution demanding that OU fire her from the law faculty.
She left Oklahoma and her family to get away from the hate. I see it still follows her and your statement about a "generation of lawyers who fight against equal rights and choice" could not be more incorrect.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Education at Oral Roberts is subordinate to a particular worldview and mission to implement that worldview.
One has choices in life.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)Again, at that point in her lie she wanted to be near her family.
I know her personally and you obviously don't.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:33 PM - Edit history (1)
Im sorry, but I do not need to know Anita Hill to be well acquainted with the mission and purpose of Oral Roberts University.
These places like Oral Roberts, Liberty, or Pat Robertsons outfit have a definite agenda which they serve as institutions to advance.
I dont give a shit what Hills personal views may be, because they are obviously not exclusive of serving to advance the cause of Oral Roberts U. They require an oath from their faculty. Do you know what it says? If not, Id suggest you ask her.
She has helped spawn legions more Clarence Thomases.
And it hardly needs explanation that she had no issue with Clarence Thomas political views or judicial philosophy (such as it is). He has been a Christofascist from the get-go, and it is THAT Clarence Thomas for whom she left lucrative private practice to work - because she thought that highly of him and his addled mind.
Her issue was with his behavior, not his bizarre RW Christofascist ideology which is likewise consistent with Oral Roberts.
You can say it was three years all you like, but it is three years more than Joe Biden ever spent advancing that agenda.
Her only public service was to eagerly serve as that nutjobs assistant in a Republican administration.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
evertonfc
(1,713 posts)I think the Hill problem is long built into Joe's support. If these individuals want to rehash decades old events, those of us who admire and respect Joe Biden will be ready to defend his character. Wanna tear our party apart already?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stopdiggin
(11,302 posts)(and I think Biden has already done just that)
How about you, Anita? Still planning on being a keynote for "Most Powerful Women?" Just asking if you're going to "acknowledge your role .."?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
stopdiggin
(11,302 posts)To many .. he has. And continues to acknowledge "mistakes" in the past .. growth and understanding gained over the years .. just as Hillary did. But .. "not good enough" for some people. And with tragic results.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Bradshaw3
(7,517 posts)Isn't her opinion more important than yours, or others?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)Its her prerogative.
Mine is, Joe isnt to blame for what happened. Thomas is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,517 posts)Joe isn't to blame for his past conduct, statements, or even his recent statements, etc.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)That is not what anyone is saying at all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,517 posts)Look at some of the replies on here or any thread that dares to question Biden's past statements on any number of topics. Very, very few say anything like "maybe he should have responded in a different way" or "I hope he has learned from his past actions." Most are of the "boring" "meh" "I'm going to donate again" variety. Very little actual discussion of the substance of the criticisms.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)You insist on arguing a point with folks who disagree. Fine but Im done. See you on the next Biden carp thread.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,517 posts)No words added on my part. You did it for me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)Bye.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)He made the call not to allow other witnesses who would have bolstered Anita's case?
There may have been other issues as well...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)As stated, he was chairman of a committee. To which he has already made statements regarding it. You just dont accept that statement. Fine.
As it is fine for Anita.
She says she is moving on with reservations.
Fine some of us are moving on without reservation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Most since then have put the blame for that decision squarely on Biden. He decided what questions to ask her, at least. So there is that.
But as you said - as far as he and some others are concerned, he has apologized. Apparently, according to Anita, he has not.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)the other witnesses.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...that the majority of senators wouldn't change their vote on Thomas no matter what those witnesses had to say.
The issue with Hill was not a failure to persuade anyone she was being truthful. The issue was a failure of 2/3 of senators at the time to give a shit.
And corroborating witnesses wouldn't change that.
As a lawyer, and one who has been a very successful and prodigious accumulator of wealth and prestige in that profession, Hill is perfectly aware that sometimes you don't get what you want, even if you are right. It happens.
But there is utterly nothing that Joe Biden is going to say or could say which is going to change the facts or the history. If it is a disqualifier for you, then golly gosh don't vote for Biden. I'm not voting for him and I know him much better than most here at DU, having spent considerable time with him in a small group setting (which, yes, included several hours of discourse on supreme court nominations) and through a family history of various political activities in Delaware.
He's addressed this before. It was deemed insufficient, as the "politically demanded apology" always is deemed insufficient. I believe it would be stupid for Biden to do it again.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Pathwalker
(6,598 posts)THOMAS did. You're acting like it was Joe who did it, and IMO this does Me Too a terrible disservice!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)So #MeToo #IStandWithAnita
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redqueen
(115,103 posts)that it seemed like he was on Thomas's side
Yes, #MeToo is relevant here.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)She really means less than nothing to me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,066 posts)7. OK. That's fair
(and I think Biden has already done just that)
How about you, Anita? Still planning on being a keynote for "Most Powerful Women?" Just asking if you're going to "acknowledge your role .."?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)He should say something along the lines of "I could have done more to help you but didn't and for that, I'm sorry" or "I'm sorry I didn't do everything I could have done at the time."
But claiming he was powerless to protect her and be feels bad about that falls far short of being an apology.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,326 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
cwydro
(51,308 posts)This is going to hang around because he didnt, and hasnt.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,517 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)Just yesterday with the lynching thing it was ''I shouldn't have said that but..."
When you add a but it's not really an apology. And he always does that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
cwydro
(51,308 posts)He was my preference when he declared, but too many things are adding up for me to continue to support him.
This Anita Hill thing is not going to go away until he addresses it. I mean, damn, if he did that months ago - boom - itd be history by now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)He should know better and just sincerely apologize to get this behind him
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
gibraltar72
(7,503 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,517 posts)Isn't that what the repugs have been telling accusers of Kavanaugh, rump, etc.?
Here is what she said on that topic: "I'm ready to move on, but I am also ready to hold Joe Biden accountable. Accountability means acknowledging your role in a problem and the harm it's caused. Acknowledging that you have culpability," Hill said.
Who cares if you are over it. She obviously feels his apology was of the non-apology variety, i.e. sorry if you were offended. It's up to him to make it right. What we have is another example of Joe just not getting it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)Shes moving on.
So are we.
Edit to add: This is not another example of Joe not getting it. Its a year or old more
carp that is trotted out. Again.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,517 posts)He is the one keeping it alive. By not getting it. Again and again.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stopdiggin
(11,302 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Bradshaw3
(7,517 posts)One is she knows more about what really happened and two is she's asked about it and gives her opinion, whether you like it or not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)Then well find someone offended again by a hug.
Then well find some other decades old statement to parse every word to death.
Its the same characters every time posting the same old canards.
And yet, Joe consistently leading.
Because hes the most qualified candidate both nationally and globally.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)will say.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mme. Defarge
(8,028 posts)😴
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMississippi
(776 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pathwalker
(6,598 posts)n/t
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)a Republican is the exact opposite of classy, but you do you.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
empedocles
(15,751 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ecstatic
(32,701 posts)I thought she had made peace with the situation earlier this year, but if not, by all means continue.
But if Biden becomes the nominee, I hope she is not going to allow herself to be used by the rightwing to sabotage our chances next fall. My empathy only goes so far.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pamdb
(1,332 posts)You now Anita, you got a raw deal, no doubt, and we ended up with that stupid Clarence Thomas as
a result. But now, just the fuck up and don't keep bringing this up. It's pathetic.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Quixote1818
(28,930 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Aaron Pereira
(383 posts)The Anita Hill issue isn't going to go away on it's own even though most people including myself think he's changed. Biden could make a public appearance with her and publicly apologize with Hill standing on stage with him. He has the ability to take action and put any remaining doubts to rest.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
calguy
(5,306 posts)That's what she'd be doing by attacking Biden. Give me a break already. Why do we keep giving republicans ammunition to use against us? She doesn't sound ready to move on to me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pathwalker
(6,598 posts)To my knowledge, she has NEVER asked him to apologize, and HE was the one who sexually harassed her, NOT Joe Biden. Yet, she seems to try and make him the villain!!! Hmmm, how convenient....
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Thomas...she has been using this to get ahead for years....tried it once, but when desperate people flail around I guess.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)99% of evangelical Christians support Trump. What do you expect?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)stand for goes against the teachings of Christ.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)care what she thinks. She is not a Democrat I take it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)You know, she specifically decided to work with Clarence Thomas.
Her issue with him was his behavior, not his political, religious or judicial views.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Going to donate right now...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)28 years ago. Voters 40 and under were either too little to care (me) or not even close to being born. Apart from that, I don't remember Ms. Hill making a lot of noise during Biden's VP years.
I wonder why.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Doodley
(9,088 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,187 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)I've been waiting on you and yeah, its about time!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)I watched those hearings in 91. Biden did nothing wrong and treated Hill with respect. This is a hit job pure and simple.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gulliver
(13,180 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emulatorloo
(44,120 posts)I saw the hearings live and Joe Biden is def not the reason Thomas is on the Supreme Court.
I do respect and admire Anita Hill. Biden did apologize but she decided not to accept it. That is her prerogative. But I am not sure anything Biden will do will get her to accept his apology.
I am undecided. My top three are a Warren, Biden, and Mayor Pete.
I understand Warren had a bad night at the last debate. It is what it is and she will do better the next time.
But OTT hyperbolic attacks on her rivals arent warranted. Shes a tough candidate and this stuff is not helping her.
Have a nice night.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
kcr
(15,315 posts)in this thread will be great for Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
herding cats
(19,564 posts)It's a simple fact, some people are just jerks who think of their candidate in a weird sports fan type fashion. I see it all over the internet but rarely run into it in person. Face to face amongst other Dems we're usually polite at meetups. No matter the fact we currently support various candidates.
I, personally, hate the way internet warriors rile people up for their own vengeance. It's says much about them and who they are at their core. It also can end up destroying their potential candidates chances. I never condone such actions. Some people are shallow and associate followers with the politician, which is silly. Yet, it happens.
Politics are not sports. In the end we're all more alike here than we are different and I despise people going tribal within the party. That's a recipe for defeat, no matter who does it or who they support (read: GE 2016) We can disagree like adults without carrying water for the Republicans.
Edit to add. I'm a Biden supporter empathizing with a Warren supporter. We're more alike than we are different.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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herding cats
(19,564 posts)That's what you got from my words? I was speaking about the unwarranted anger running about the internet and trying to express empathy to the poster while stating it's an issue mostly among anonymous posters but not as much in reality on the streets. I guess that nuance was missed.
Peace to you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,517 posts)I orginally thought you were replying to two posts above. I read the post you did reply to and see what it is you were saying. Sorry for misunderstanding and my reply.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
herding cats
(19,564 posts)We're fine! I edited to clarify my comments JIK I wasn't clear, too. The internet is fierce when it comes to context at times.
Again, peace to you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emulatorloo
(44,120 posts)Warren, Biden, and Buttigieg are on my shortlist.
Im sure you remember threads here from two or three volatile Warren supporters that insinuating Biden is a serial molester, a pedophile, a racist, brain damaged, etc. IMHO they are detracting from Warren rather than supporting her in her run
Maybe I have missed the Buttigieg and Biden supporters personally attacking Warrens character and going scorched earth in that way.
At any rate I would like all of us to treat the candidates w respect. Less flame-bait, more discussion. I expect you and I agree on that
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Bradshaw3
(7,517 posts)First my post was not to help Warren but for people to think about voting for someone based on their record. Vetting candidates is something done on here and Warren has been the subject of daily attacks on this forum, including from some of those positing here that this topic doesn't matter.
Secondly, Biden DID NOT apologize. Hill says he didn't and I take her word. You would too if she was talking about a repub.
Third and this is the most ridiculous charge you make, is this post had NOTHING to to diwht Warren's debate performance (which some pundits rated highly) so that s just a lame attempt on your part to question my motives. There is nothing hyperbolic abut this post, it is just her explaining qhwn asked how she feels about it. She certainly knows more about the situation than you do.
Try and practice what you preach.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PhoenixDem
(581 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)the well must be getting shallow, as we're now simply rebooting that which has been examined on DU both in-depth and consistently.
But I get it... sometimes we have to pull whatever chum from the bucket is left, throw it at the wall in hope it sticks, and inform anyone pointing this out how dismissive must be of Ms. Hill.
Again.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)It isn't going to persuade anyone here to vote for or against Joe in the primaries, is it?
The only reason to discuss it here is because it WILL be raised as an issue in the GE if he's our nominee. And yes, if so he'll likely be running against mr 'grab em by the pussy' so it SHOULDN'T even matter. That said, most of us are not new to this game and we know how this works. Especially with the media the way it is.
For me this is an academic discussion. I have my opinion, others have theirs. But there is absolutely no need for some of the nasty stuff going on.
No matter what Anita's politics are, or what personal decisions she's made, none of that makes what happened to her any less wrong. And none of it justified the actions taken by Biden. Dragging her through the mud in the context of this discussion is vile and inexcusable, full stop.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)It's bad enough we treat public servants like rock stars and pro-athletes. The fact that this election is something of an existential crisis gives stakes to what I would otherwise dismiss as irritating behavior.
People think if Candidate X doesn't win the primary, Trump will win. People think any criticism of Candidate X will result in their loss. It's as unfair as it is ridiculous, as simply supporting Candidate X in the general is not a sufficient display of loyalty. One must also appear to be enthusiastic about Candidate X. If Candidate X loses in the general, for whatever reason, everyone who supported Candidates Y and Z will be at fault because they criticized Candidate X in the primary.
I mean, if this the way we're going to do things, why have a primary at all?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Joe941
(2,848 posts)Just another hit piece on Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided