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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 10:41 AM Oct 2019

Why are Democrats leaving Kamala Harris to stand alone?

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/10/27/1895398/-Why-are-Democrats-leaving-Kamala-Harris-to-stand-alone

If you are in any way active in Democratic politics, or even just on social media, you will probably have heard the phrases “Vote like black women” and “Listen to black women.” These refer to the power that black women have as a constituency within the party, the consistency with which they vote blue, and the potential that they have to sway elections. But yet, for a party who says those things, we far too often leave black women to fight and stand alone.

When Tulsi Gabbard lied about Kamala Harris’s record in the July debate, Kamala Harris was left to stand alone. The claims were debunked by independent fact-checkers, yet not one person in the Democratic field rushed to defend Harris’s integrity. In contrast, many of them did rush to Tulsi Gabbard’s defense when Hillary Clinton suggested that somebody in the primary was being groomed for a third party run. Many of them did rush to Joe Biden’s defense when Julián Castro jabbed at him in the September debate.

When Kamala Harris called for Donald Trump’s Twitter to be suspended because of the threats that it causes to people’s safety, particularly black people and people of color, she stood alone. Not one of her Democratic colleagues in the primary backed her up. Elizabeth Warren scoffed in her face when she brought it up at the debate, as if the notion was ridiculous to begin with. Primarily white pundits on social media ridiculed her. (When you’re sent a pipe bomb in the mail by someone inspired by Trump’s tweets, tell us again about how ridiculous it is.)

On Friday, when Kamala Harris said she would boycott the Criminal Justice -forum at Benedict College in protest of a sponsoring organization who gave Trump an award and prohibited Benedict students from attending the event, she stood alone. Her colleague Cory Booker, who often calls her his “sister”, went so far as to not-so-subtly call her out on Twitter for her protest, with little regard for what she was actually protesting. In his speech at the event, Booker praised Benedict College for ditching the sponsor, with no mention of Kamala Harris, whose protest was what caused the sponsor to be ditched.









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Why are Democrats leaving Kamala Harris to stand alone? (Original Post) SidDithers Oct 2019 OP
It's a damn shame. beastie boy Oct 2019 #1
Because she can't break past 4% in the polls... Skya Rhen Oct 2019 #2
And Tulsi is polling at...? n/t namahage Oct 2019 #3
Precisely! That's why both of them are being left to stand alone - very poor showings in the polls. Skya Rhen Oct 2019 #11
That's institutional thinking, not a sign of a conscience. DemocracyMouse Oct 2019 #21
As an AA woman, the point you're trying to make escapes me. What does the candidates' race have to Skya Rhen Oct 2019 #24
+1 crickets Oct 2019 #25
Maybe they're trying to look 'moderate' so they'll do better in the primaries. nt redqueen Oct 2019 #4
Thanks for posting, Sid. I forgot to x-post from Kamala group. PunkinPi Oct 2019 #5
As a fan of Kamala Harris ... yuiyoshida Oct 2019 #31
It makes me sad as a Kamala supporter and as a democrat. nt PunkinPi Oct 2019 #32
Yup.... yuiyoshida Oct 2019 #33
The networks have give her next to no time mcar Oct 2019 #35
It totally sucks yuiyoshida Oct 2019 #39
I suspect I know why mcar Oct 2019 #41
Could it be because she is a very smart and savvy yuiyoshida Oct 2019 #42
That is my guess mcar Oct 2019 #44
Obama had it rough in the beginning yuiyoshida Oct 2019 #45
Good question. Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #6
K&R MrsCoffee Oct 2019 #7
She's in the top five on my list 2naSalit Oct 2019 #8
Kamala Harris has always been in the top 3 on my list riversedge Oct 2019 #17
She's definitely 2naSalit Oct 2019 #18
Mine as well. And I'm suspicious as hell about Gabbard. calimary Oct 2019 #27
I was 2naSalit Oct 2019 #28
My theory customerserviceguy Oct 2019 #9
I had a similar thought redqueen Oct 2019 #12
I supported her through that first debate. Chemisse Oct 2019 #14
If that is the case, it is the most cynical of politics mcar Oct 2019 #36
I admire and respect Kamala. If she's the Democratic nominee she'll have my vote. I'm cynical abqtommy Oct 2019 #10
'I'm cynical enough to question the validity of the type of writing found in this op. Is it meant to Celerity Oct 2019 #29
This is all true mcar Oct 2019 #37
I watched the debate, 'scoffed in her face' is an inaccurate and loaded descriptive Celerity Oct 2019 #43
Thanks for posting this Sid. nt Andy823 Oct 2019 #13
IMO, she will make our country an excellent AG RainCaster Oct 2019 #15
Kamala Harris has been one of my top favorites from the beginning... northoftheborder Oct 2019 #16
I'd like to see Kamala remain in the race long enough to be chosen as a running mate FakeNoose Oct 2019 #19
Kamala was right to protest the award to Trump and the lockout of the students Jarqui Oct 2019 #20
so far she is not convincing prospective voters that she is worth voting for nt msongs Oct 2019 #22
I asked this question yesterday rogue emissary Oct 2019 #23
That's right mcar Oct 2019 #38
I really like Senator Harris and agree that she was amazing at this event Gothmog Oct 2019 #26
Alt headline: "Kamala Harris is having trouble standing on her own." NCLefty Oct 2019 #30
How about when she was one of the first to defend Biden mcar Oct 2019 #40
I would like the candidates to be asked this question mcar Oct 2019 #34
Kick. nt Andy823 Oct 2019 #46
You realize they are competing against her right? maximusveritas Oct 2019 #47
 

beastie boy

(9,363 posts)
1. It's a damn shame.
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 10:45 AM
Oct 2019

Especially in light of the support Gabbard gets from the Democrats.

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Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
2. Because she can't break past 4% in the polls...
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 10:46 AM
Oct 2019
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namahage

(1,157 posts)
3. And Tulsi is polling at...? n/t
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 10:48 AM
Oct 2019
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Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
11. Precisely! That's why both of them are being left to stand alone - very poor showings in the polls.
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 11:10 AM
Oct 2019
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DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
21. That's institutional thinking, not a sign of a conscience.
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 01:42 PM
Oct 2019

We can signal our favorites while simultaneously being supportive of all Democrats. I think African American candidates, given the crap they have to endure, are especially deserving of neighborly support.

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Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
24. As an AA woman, the point you're trying to make escapes me. What does the candidates' race have to
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 02:20 PM
Oct 2019

do with anything? What leads you to the conclusion that the African American candidates are getting any more crap than the other candidates?

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crickets

(25,981 posts)
25. +1
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 02:24 PM
Oct 2019

"We can signal our favorites while simultaneously being supportive of all Democrats."

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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
4. Maybe they're trying to look 'moderate' so they'll do better in the primaries. nt
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 10:48 AM
Oct 2019
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PunkinPi

(4,875 posts)
5. Thanks for posting, Sid. I forgot to x-post from Kamala group.
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 10:57 AM
Oct 2019

Adding last 2 paragraphs from article because I think it's important (bold mine for emphasis):

It’s a pattern we see far too often in media, too. People love to point out how much they value black women and their voices. Yet, when a qualified black woman dares to actually run for higher office, that notion of solidarity too often disappears. People love the idea of a black woman running for office, until she actually does it. The self-proclaimed allies often sit on their hands when that black woman is unfairly attacked. And as exemplified by Harris’s run, the concerns she lends her voice to are then deemed “trivial”, or dismissed as “political stunts” by commentators.

We have not seen an example of this on the national stage in a long time, because we haven’t seen many black women run for president. But the way Kamala Harris is being made to stand alone, and the way her candidacy is being erased in media, should not go unnoticed, or unchecked. If we truly are a party that values black women – not just in theory, but in practice – we will all have to do better.


K&R!
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yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
31. As a fan of Kamala Harris ...
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:10 AM
Oct 2019

This article makes me sad.

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PunkinPi

(4,875 posts)
32. It makes me sad as a Kamala supporter and as a democrat. nt
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:16 AM
Oct 2019
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yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
33. Yup....
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:19 AM
Oct 2019

I don't know why she is not doing better...there was talk the Networks were not giving her
much access time...but she can certainly afford to do a bit of advertising.

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mcar

(42,334 posts)
35. The networks have give her next to no time
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:50 AM
Oct 2019

Candidates who are lower in the polls have gotten more.

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yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
39. It totally sucks
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:57 AM
Oct 2019

seriously.

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mcar

(42,334 posts)
41. I suspect I know why
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 12:00 PM
Oct 2019

but I'd like to hear them explain.

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yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
42. Could it be because she is a very smart and savvy
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 12:04 PM
Oct 2019

Black woman? I have heard this stated elsewhere.

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mcar

(42,334 posts)
44. That is my guess
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 12:18 PM
Oct 2019
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yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
45. Obama had it rough in the beginning
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 12:21 PM
Oct 2019

now its like, Lets Ignore Harris, maybe she will give up and go away... Uh, NO! I wanta see her do good!

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Turin_C3PO

(13,998 posts)
6. Good question.
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 10:59 AM
Oct 2019

I’d have liked them to make a statement in support of her.

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2naSalit

(86,636 posts)
8. She's in the top five on my list
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 11:02 AM
Oct 2019

of viable candidates and I am tired of just a few getting all the attention while she is as worthy of consideration as the top eight as far as I an tell.

It is starting to smell a little fishy.

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riversedge

(70,239 posts)
17. Kamala Harris has always been in the top 3 on my list
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 12:47 PM
Oct 2019
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2naSalit

(86,636 posts)
18. She's definitely
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 01:07 PM
Oct 2019

on my "short list". In the primaries, I am not in favor of voting for a white guy when there are better representations of what our nation really looks like. They all* seem to have similar values that represent those of most Democrats. I am thankful I have the luxury of having a late primary, I expect to have a narrower field from which to choose.

* Candidates I would seriously consider voting for.



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calimary

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27. Mine as well. And I'm suspicious as hell about Gabbard.
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 11:47 PM
Oct 2019

Hillary’s seldom wrong.

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2naSalit

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28. I was
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 12:01 AM
Oct 2019

quite sure that HRC was on point and I had already made such a conclusion myself on that.

But I am more concerned about how the media is seeming to shut out most of the candidates and only playing three or four of them. I mean, what about Klobuchar and Booker and Bullock and and and... Shoot, I can't remember all their names because a) there are so many and b) the media isn't making them known to the public. I need to know who they are too. To misquote Bernie, " [we're] sick and tired of the damn front runners sucking all the remaining air out of the room" after flaming imbecile's latest tantrum is fully covered.

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customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
9. My theory
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 11:06 AM
Oct 2019

is that Sen. Harris lost a lot of friends when she went after Joe Biden in the first debate. Yes, she said he was not a racist, but accused him of supporting a racist thing, a distinction without a difference.

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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
12. I had a similar thought
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 11:16 AM
Oct 2019

other candidates may still be hoping for a VP if Biden wins the nod. Maybe they perceive siding with Harris would lessen their chances?

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Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
14. I supported her through that first debate.
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 11:49 AM
Oct 2019

She needed to stand out and it worked.

And if she had moved on from that with other important issues I would have stuck with her. But when she brought it up again, playing Biden's sad little victim as a political device, I got turned off.

If she made a comeback with genuine issues, such as what she did the other day, I would consider supporting her again.

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mcar

(42,334 posts)
36. If that is the case, it is the most cynical of politics
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:54 AM
Oct 2019

Other candidates have "gone after" Joe Biden.

Shame on Cory Booker, who refers to Harris as "his sister," for not defending her against dotard's attacks and against Gabbard's lies.

They are more interested in defending someone who lied about Harris and about HRC, than they are in defending Kamala Harris? Because she challenged Biden in the first debate?

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abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
10. I admire and respect Kamala. If she's the Democratic nominee she'll have my vote. I'm cynical
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 11:09 AM
Oct 2019

enough to question the validity of the type of writing found in this op. Is it meant to divide? Are there any other negative attempts to make people question Democrats?

Thinking Democrats are a big family. We've got quite a membership and there's only going to be ONE
person who is our nominee. I'm more concerned about having a fair and secure election because I know that if that's the case then ANYONE who is appointed our nominee will wipe the floor with tRUMP and his Traitor Tots.

As far as I can see there's a lot of attempts to distract us from reality, and not all the distraction comes from tRUMP's side. Let's take care and be aware.

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Celerity

(43,398 posts)
29. 'I'm cynical enough to question the validity of the type of writing found in this op. Is it meant to
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 12:48 AM
Oct 2019
divide?'

hmmm, ya think?

Elizabeth Warren scoffed in her face when she brought it up at the debate, as if the notion was ridiculous to begin with. Primarily white pundits on social media ridiculed her.
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mcar

(42,334 posts)
37. This is all true
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:56 AM
Oct 2019

Was Warren's response an attempt to divide? Everyone praised her for challenging another social media giant. Harris does similar and gets derided.

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Celerity

(43,398 posts)
43. I watched the debate, 'scoffed in her face' is an inaccurate and loaded descriptive
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 12:05 PM
Oct 2019

I am not a Warren supporter. I would very much prefer Harris over Warren, in fact Harris is my 2nd choice, after Pete. I was merely commenting on the nature of the biased (and IMHO divisive) writing in the OP's DK article.

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Andy823

(11,495 posts)
13. Thanks for posting this Sid. nt
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 11:19 AM
Oct 2019
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RainCaster

(10,880 posts)
15. IMO, she will make our country an excellent AG
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 12:17 PM
Oct 2019

I know her numbers aren't high enough, but she has great leadership skills, and the experience as head of DOJ will make her an even better candidate in 4 or 8 years.

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northoftheborder

(7,572 posts)
16. Kamala Harris has been one of my top favorites from the beginning...
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 12:30 PM
Oct 2019

...and she still is. Klobuchar, Bennet, Harris, Castro are all winners for me. But they have been ignored on the debate stage. It has irked me considerably for the top 3 to always be center stage, to always get way more time to speak than the others. Therefore, there has been less for the media to discuss about them. Therefore, they are still down in the polls. Not fair.

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FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
19. I'd like to see Kamala remain in the race long enough to be chosen as a running mate
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 01:38 PM
Oct 2019

As a presidential candidate Kamala is very much a long shot. However she'd make a powerful running mate on the Party ticket, if she hasn't burned too many bridges in the meantime.

On the other hand Tulsi looks like she won't even qualify for the next round in the Dem Primary debate. I hope she drops out soon.

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Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
20. Kamala was right to protest the award to Trump and the lockout of the students
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 01:39 PM
Oct 2019

She was also right to complain about Trump's dangerous use of twitter

Right is right. The others shouldn't be sitting on their hands.

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msongs

(67,413 posts)
22. so far she is not convincing prospective voters that she is worth voting for nt
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 02:11 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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rogue emissary

(3,148 posts)
23. I asked this question yesterday
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 02:12 PM
Oct 2019

Last edited Mon Oct 28, 2019, 01:45 PM - Edit history (1)

and haven't gotten a response.

I think it highlights how the media questions and centers white candidates as "us" and POC as "them".

When Biden was being smeared Kamala was one of the first to defend him because reporters asked her to respond to Donny's lies.

White candidates like Biden, Bernie, and Warren get that concern. The assumption that their fellow party members should stand up for them is a given.

Candidates of color like Kamala, Castro, and Booker don't get the same concern or expectation that their colleague would support them.

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Undecided
 

mcar

(42,334 posts)
38. That's right
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:57 AM
Oct 2019

But no candidate will defend her, or even give her credit for standing up this weekend?

Shame on them!

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Gothmog

(145,291 posts)
26. I really like Senator Harris and agree that she was amazing at this event
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 04:51 PM
Oct 2019
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NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
30. Alt headline: "Kamala Harris is having trouble standing on her own."
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 12:55 AM
Oct 2019

Does she expect the other candidates to praise what she's trying to do to stand out? Or magically develop the same positions she stakes out--or they're abandoning her to the wolves? Are they supposed to go to her HBCU event to get her even more credit and spotlight? Is that how this works? :p

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mcar

(42,334 posts)
40. How about when she was one of the first to defend Biden
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 12:00 PM
Oct 2019

against Dotard's attacks? Should the headline have been "Joe Biden is having trouble standing on his own?"

How about when she campaigns for down ballot Dems, like she did in VA this weekend?Should the headline be "Virginia Democrats have trouble standing on their own?"

Kamala has been there for our candidates. It is a shame that they are not there for her.

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mcar

(42,334 posts)
34. I would like the candidates to be asked this question
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:49 AM
Oct 2019

Why did they flock to Gabbard's defense, even when her name wasn't mentioned, but do not defend Harris?

It is very disappointing. I expected better of them.

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maximusveritas

(2,915 posts)
47. You realize they are competing against her right?
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:13 PM
Oct 2019

If she was our presumptive nominee, then maybe we could entertain this question. I guess you could argue they could defend her since she is so low in the polls, but she could possibly get back in it until she drops out, so it would be stupid to lend her any help.

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